Bad sport rating system potential to be exploited?

[Dexter-Morgan]

I can see the "Bad Sport" rating system being exploited by griefers to really screw with people...and thus it becoming a game braking flaw rather than a helpful tool... Unless you can only rate someone as a bad sport when they start being dicks, if its a feature easily accessed whats to stop someone from giving anyone they see fit a bad rep....?

 

Discuss...

[Zeta87]

Yeah, i do agree: you should be able to complain about someone if they actually are "breaking bad" ( this reference is not casual ).

 

But i don't know how this is going to work: should work automatically, i guess, despite the fact that some people would screw friends over in private matches and don't give them a bad sports rate ( or at least they could decide to disable this feature if they want ).

[PHOENIXZERO]

It's likely not player controlled and something that gets accrued from flagged actions that Rockstar has set on their end. They're not stupid enough to give that sort of power to the idiots running around online.

[Dexter-Morgan]

Ive just seen it before.... select features are announced that you think will be great but end up ruining the game. Take Battlefield 3 for example, Rent-A-Server was announced early on, a concept that sounds, and had the potential to be awesome....but once it lauched it practically killed Battlefield 3. I'd hate for this to happen to such a promissing game..

[DanTFC]

i hope they though of it well

 

what if someone starts shooting you first, than u kill him. hes gonna give u bad stats for sure

[JOSEPH X]

i hope they though of it well

 

what if someone starts shooting you first, than u kill him. hes gonna give u bad stats for sure

He just won't be allowed to do that. Killing each other is going to be part of the game. Bad rep is gonig to come when you don't share out your heist cash and people put bounties on your head. When you call someone up to do a heist with you they'll be able to check your rep and see if it's worth the bother. The punishment comes when you've been an idiot so many times that no-one wants to play with you anymore.

[RedDagger]

There would have to be multiple people rating someone badly for this to have any effect, which means one pissed off person over five happy teammates isn't going to do much.

[twigs2001]

i hope they though of it well

 

what if someone starts shooting you first, than u kill him. hes gonna give u bad stats for sure

He just won't be allowed to do that. Killing each other is going to be part of the game. Bad rep is gonig to come when you don't share out your heist cash and people put bounties on your head. When you call someone up to do a heist with you they'll be able to check your rep and see if it's worth the bother. The punishment comes when you've been an idiot so many times that no-one wants to play with you anymore.

Oh because this sounds ton's better , so to feel the thrill of being chased by other online players and having a bounty on your head you need to earn yourself a bad reputation which will result in you being lonely, this feature sounds f*cking crap altogether and they should get rid of it.

[JOSEPH X]

i hope they though of it well

 

what if someone starts shooting you first, than u kill him. hes gonna give u bad stats for sure

He just won't be allowed to do that. Killing each other is going to be part of the game. Bad rep is gonig to come when you don't share out your heist cash and people put bounties on your head. When you call someone up to do a heist with you they'll be able to check your rep and see if it's worth the bother. The punishment comes when you've been an idiot so many times that no-one wants to play with you anymore.

Oh because this sounds ton's better , so to feel the thrill of being chased by other online players and having a bounty on your head you need to earn yourself a bad reputation which will result in you being lonely, this feature sounds f*cking crap altogether and they should get rid of it.

Everybody is going to get a bounty on their head at some point, and everybody is going to mug and get mugged. The achievement descriptions pretty much say how online will play out

 

You survived for a day with a Bounty on your head

 

You killed the thief that mugged you

 

It's the constantly effing up of people's games that will get you the bad sport tag, not the natural way of playing the game. There's going to be a way that people can avoid playing with utter dicks, but also be a criminal too.

[Honest Bill]

I can see why everybody is concerned by this. But really we have no idea how this works.

 

One thing is for certain. If they put it in player's hands, it will become totally irrelevant. Everyone will end up with a bad reputation simply because all the morons will mark anyone who beats them as a 'bad sport' and 'bad sportsmanship' in that context is something which is extremely subjective.

 

So how could it work?

 

Every time you kill a member of your crew you get a bad rep point? I suppose that could work. That way, if you want to screw over someone in your crew, you'll have to be more low key about it and hire somebody from the outside to do the job.

 

I can't really think of any other ways they could give you a bad sport stat.

[Twiggy123]

Ive just seen it before.... select features are announced that you think will be great but end up ruining the game. Take Battlefield 3 for example, Rent-A-Server was announced early on, a concept that sounds, and had the potential to be awesome....but once it lauched it practically killed Battlefield 3. I'd hate for this to happen to such a promissing game..

It didn't kill BF3, TONS of people still play it. It may have killed it for you but don't talk about it like it's a fact for everyone.

[UsernameNumber6]

It's likely not player controlled and something that gets accrued from flagged actions that Rockstar has set on their end. They're not stupid enough to give that sort of power to the idiots running around online.

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[Honest Bill]

Ive just seen it before....  select features are announced that you think will be great but end up ruining the game.  Take Battlefield 3 for example,  Rent-A-Server was announced early on, a concept that sounds, and had the potential to be awesome....but once it lauched it practically killed Battlefield 3.  I'd hate for this to happen to such a promissing game..

It didn't kill BF3, TONS of people still play it. It may have killed it for you but don't talk about it like it's a fact for everyone.

Yes BF3 is still alive, but you must admit it's a pain in the arse when you enter a server, start doing really well, only to get banned by the admin because you are threatening their all important MVP ribbon.

 

Or when you enter a server whose admin is a chopper whore and they've conveniently banned all forms of AA weaponry.

 

But you're right, rent a server doesn't kill BF3. Idiots do. Nobody actually uses any of the options beyond extra tickets anyway, so they can boost their all important SPM stat.

[lhreetegs]

It's Rockstar who give you the bad sport rating.. not other players.

[Honest Bill]

It's Rockstar who give you the bad sport rating.. not other players.

But we don't know how they determine it. How do they decide what's bad sportsmanship and what isn't? and it must be an automated thing unless they have a rockstar dev following everyone around, which is obviously impractical. Do how could the system work?

[SwitchBladeJones]

There is always going to be the players that give other players negative ratings just to be annoying. On XBox Live I have a few negative ratings and haven't done anything to anyone. It probably was from beating someone who got angry about it. I'm sure there will be a system to determine who is really "Bad". Also, the people out there that go around and rate everyone negatively will be noted and disregarded anyway.

[Chukkles]

I can see the "Bad Sport" rating system being exploited by griefers to really screw with people...and thus it becoming a game braking flaw rather than a helpful tool... Unless you can only rate someone as a bad sport when they start being dicks, if its a feature easily accessed whats to stop someone from giving anyone they see fit a bad rep....?

 

Discuss...

It's not gonna be something the players have control over.

The game will mark you as bad sport for your actions.

 

 

[TASO]

 

i hope they though of it well

 

what if someone starts shooting you first, than u kill him. hes gonna give u bad stats for sure

He just won't be allowed to do that. Killing each other is going to be part of the game. Bad rep is gonig to come when you don't share out your heist cash and people put bounties on your head. When you call someone up to do a heist with you they'll be able to check your rep and see if it's worth the bother. The punishment comes when you've been an idiot so many times that no-one wants to play with you anymore.

This..

 

And giving bad sport if you kill your crew member is not a good idea imo, we ( Dirty"s) play a lot against each other soo..

 

I hope also there wont be any fking lobby preferences and R* will make manual settings lobby's configuration..like it was on IV before that most stupid patch Ive ever seen!

 

Seeya on streets of LS!!

[B3ANTOWN B3A5T]

Too many bad sport violations? You are now restricted to regular free roam. Its that simple....

 

IMO the bad sport rating should only be applied to passive mode and the standardized MP modes, NOT REGULAR FREE ROAM.

 

Obviously people can't shoot you in passive mode, but they can still trash your ride, repeatedly bump and box you in with their cars( which would be real great if your trying to mount a getaway after a heist) or keep all the money from heists. The real pieces of dog shizz are the guys who turn around at the beginning of a race and spend the whole race driving the wrong way in an attempt to crash everyone. THEY ARE SCUM.

 

To me regular free roam is the exact place where people have the full right to act like complete jerks. Take your money, kill you, troll you, blow up your cars repeatedly etc etc because afterall GTA is based on the ludicrously cutthroat nature and unpredictability of the urban jungle.

 

I say let the griefers grief, in their own protected setting, and let the people who want to get more out of the virtual struggle for power and money of GTA online have their own universe.

 

No reason the bad sport rating should be applied to regular free roamers, because regular free roam celebrates bad sportsmanship. GTA4 only had problems with this concept because there was no passive universe for objective focused players.

[Chukkles]

Too many bad sport violations? You are now restricted to regular free roam. Its that simple....

 

IMO the bad sport rating should only be applied to passive mode and the standardized MP modes, NOT REGULAR FREE ROAM.

 

Obviously people can't shoot you in passive mode, but they can still trash your ride, repeatedly bump and box you in with their cars( which would be real great if your trying to mount a getaway after a heist) or keep all the money from heists. The real pieces of dog shizz are the guys who turn around at the beginning of a race and spend the whole race driving the wrong way in an attempt to crash everyone. THEY ARE SCUM.

 

To me regular free roam is the exact place where people have the full right to act like complete jerks. Take your money, kill you, troll you, blow up your cars repeatedly etc etc because afterall GTA is based on the ludicrously cutthroat nature and unpredictability of the urban jungle.

 

I say let the griefers grief, in their own protected setting, and let the people who want to get more out of the virtual struggle for power and money of GTA online have their own universe.

 

No reason the bad sport rating should be applied to regular free roamers, because regular free roam celebrates bad sportsmanship. GTA4 only had problems with this concept because there was no passive universe for objective focused players.

Well said.

 

Only, I think free roam is the only place other than the standard MP games.

Everything will be done in Free mode and there won't be any splitting up between passive servers or anything.

 

 

I find this really stupid though, passive mode that is, R* should fix their game so nobody can spawn kill.

Besides all who complain about spawn killers, you get .2 seconds of invulnerability everytime you spawn, if you can't work with that then that's your fault.

 

People complain about buzzards because the have no defensive skills and no common logic.

[Honest Bill]

Too many bad sport violations? You are now restricted to regular free roam. Its that simple....

 

IMO the bad sport rating should only be applied to passive mode and the standardized MP modes, NOT REGULAR FREE ROAM.

 

Obviously people can't shoot you in passive mode, but they can still trash your ride, repeatedly bump and box you in with their cars( which would be real great if your trying to mount a getaway after a heist) or keep all the money from heists. The real pieces of dog shizz are the guys who turn around at the beginning of a race and spend the whole race driving the wrong way in an attempt to crash everyone. THEY ARE SCUM.

 

To me regular free roam is the exact place where people have the full right to act like complete jerks. Take your money, kill you, troll you, blow up your cars repeatedly etc etc because afterall GTA is based on the ludicrously cutthroat nature and unpredictability of the urban jungle.

 

I say let the griefers grief, in their own protected setting, and let the people who want to get more out of the virtual struggle for power and money of GTA online have their own universe.

 

No reason the bad sport rating should be applied to regular free roamers, because regular free roam celebrates bad sportsmanship. GTA4 only had problems with this concept because there was no passive universe for objective focused players.

Well said.

 

Only, I think free roam is the only place other than the standard MP games.

Everything will be done in Free mode and there won't be any splitting up between passive servers or anything.

 

 

I find this really stupid though, passive mode that is, R* should fix their game so nobody can spawn kill.

Besides all who complain about spawn killers, you get .2 seconds of invulnerability everytime you spawn, if you can't work with that then that's your fault.

 

People complain about buzzards because the have no defensive skills and no common logic.

To be fair, you only get a pistol to spawn with in IV. It's pretty hard to beat a guy in a buzzard.

 

However, V will be different, and you will most likely spawn in with whatever weapons you have unlocked, so it probably wouldn't be much of an issue.

[B3ANTOWN B3A5T]

Wow I just searched it a little more and it seems as though passive mode is just a state that you toggle on and off in regular free roam servers, not a distinct universe. Now I'm completely up in the air about free roam. It sounds like it might be a tad convoluted with different players being in and out of passive mode at any given time.

 

What if someone isn't in passive mode, so you figure they're down for whatever, giving you the greenlight to attack, but they suddenly switch over and you wind up just shooting up their car, wrecking it in the process? Are you awarded a bad sport penalty because you wrecked the custom car of a passive player?

Edited August 23, 2013 by B3ANTOWN B3A5T

[Honest Bill]

Wow I just searched it a little more and it seems as though passive mode is just a state that you toggle on and off in regular free roam servers, not a distinct universe. Now I'm completely up in the air about free roam. It sounds like it might be a tad convoluted with different players being in and out of passive mode at any given time.

 

What if someone isn't in passive mode, so you figure they're down for whatever, giving you the greenlight to attack, but they suddenly switch over and you wind up just shooting up their car, wrecking it in the process? Are you awarded a bad sport penalty because you wrecked the custom car of a passive player?

It won't be that simple. It will more likely just be a spawn protection. Either that or, you won't be able to just switch back to normal quickly like that. They won't just leave it as something you can turn on and off whenever you're scared you might die. That would be far too stupid of them.

[Valdorien]

I actually hope it's a different server. In red dead redemption and GTA 4 its impossible go near other players without them shooting at you.

 

I hope there will be measures agains griefing in normal mode too or else it will be like GTA 4 free mode. TERRIBLE.

 

I am sure R* got this good. They probably did the best way to have fun in GTA:O so I dont think it will be bad.

Edited August 24, 2013 by Valdorien

[Elemental716]

It's likely not player controlled and something that gets accrued from flagged actions that Rockstar has set on their end. They're not stupid enough to give that sort of power to the idiots running around online.

 

 

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[FugetSudo]

I think folks here are over-thinking this feature. This along with passive mode just gives players a chance to play "the way they want to" not to screw over others.

 

As popular as GTA is, the online isn't. There's lots of SC members who won't even touch GTAO because they're scared (as they should be ). These features will help them grow a pair and actually attempt online.... When they're feeling better about it is when we'll double-cross them and take their sh*t!!

[Twiggy123]

Anyone remember the pick your spawn ability in RDR? If you got killed too many times in a short amount of time you would be able to pick a respawn location anywhere on the map if you pressed Y or Triangle during the kill cam. I'm pretty sure passive mode will be this but a timer you can choose to switch on while you are waiting to respawn.

[NorthwindJME]

Anyone remember the pick your spawn ability in RDR? If you got killed too many times in a short amount of time you would be able to pick a respawn location anywhere on the map if you pressed Y or Triangle during the kill cam. I'm pretty sure passive mode will be this but a timer you can choose to switch on while you are waiting to respawn.

That sounds quite good, though I would drop the getting killed many times bit for every time. You would get the option to spawn else where and avoid some of the hassle. Maybe add something to the insurance so that destruction by other player gets you a free car respawn. This could reduce the shenanigans a bit.

[Dexter-Morgan]

Ive just seen it before....  select features are announced that you think will be great but end up ruining the game.  Take Battlefield 3 for example,  Rent-A-Server was announced early on, a concept that sounds, and had the potential to be awesome....but once it lauched it practically killed Battlefield 3.  I'd hate for this to happen to such a promissing game..

It didn't kill BF3, TONS of people still play it. It may have killed it for you but don't talk about it like it's a fact for everyone.

Look at the forums... and look st the current servers....everyone makes up bs server rules and you often get kicked and banned for simply being better than the host.... its lost alot of its fanbase

[djv3n0m]

Some will definitely abuse it like they did in IV with the vote to kick option....

 

 

People would kick you out for no reasons as soon as you entered the lobby , so I hope R* comes out with something to prevent douches from abusing this bad rep thing in V