Now officially an MMOG

[brian.]

Totally an MMOG. So awesome. So very, very awesome. I hope PC has 32 players like IV did. Max Payne 3 PC only has 16, however, that game kind of needs to only have 16, so maybe we'll get 32 later on PC like IV since it's GTA open world.

 

Holy sh*t, NPC quests, persistent economy, buy an apartment to bring friends into it - totally a GTA-style MMO, character development, NPC's teaching you the world, content creator, this is going to be insane.

 

And player sliding over car hoods in gameplay confirmed!

[Patriot_Action]

16 players =/= massive. That is all.

 

Not even going to bother trying to drill this into your thick head. Posts all the reasoning and walls of text you want. It'll never be labeled an MMO except by the delusional.

[brian.]

Wrong patriot. And I already told you why Right Here: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1062951062

 

It is massive, because the stock market, economy, crews/guilds. It is massive. Just because people can only has so many per instance doesn't mean it's not all completely connected and going on at the same time.

 

If I can be in your lobby and sell or buy stocks that reflect in another lobby's connection to the game IT IS AN MMO.

 

CoD is an MMO, especially Ghosts. With player buffs, cod elite guilds in clans and squads, just like Rockstar's guilds are "crews"

 

You are stuck on "massively multiplayer" meaning every avatar HAS to be able to be in the same instance, which is not true at all.

 

Vindictus is MMORPG but can only have so many people per session.

 

Period. I cannot believe after all the explaining you still are so naive to just say "low players = not massive"

 

You *are* wrong, please accept it.

 

I have already explained to you in great detail, and you are trolling at this point, because I refuse to believe you are that ignorant to reality.

[Patriot_Action]

Not even going to bother trying to drill this into your thick head. Posts all the reasoning and walls of text you want. It'll never be labeled an MMO except by the delusional.

[brian.]

Ok, well, watch it all come to pass, that this is an MMOG. Just because instances have few players does not mean it's not an MMO.

 

AGAIN vindictus is an MMO. But the players are never all in the same place.

 

Apply cold water to burned area, you're sad, seriously.

[Patriot_Action]

Not even going to bother trying to drill this into your thick head. Posts all the reasoning and walls of text you want. It'll never be labeled an MMO except by the delusional.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Well f*ck! I didn't expect them to flesh it out that much. It does look like they're going for it and doing more than stat tracking and asynchronous stuff if it's truly persistant! Had a good feeling a race editor would be in due to MCLA having it but holy hell I only expected it to go that far! We even have a story mode for our online character this time and that basically means he/she is a fourth playable character with their own story/missions and not just free roam like before, MMO indeed. Now, still player hosted or dedicated servers? Hmm...

 

I don't smoke but I still feel like I need a cigarette after watching that.

Edited August 15, 2013 by PHOENIXZERO

[brian.]

haha amen, same reaction man. The NPC quests have me super excited, and the way you worded it, how it might tie into the story of single player too - omfg, that's so awesome. That's like Age of Conan's Day for mp and Night for single player mode in Tortuga, their noob island!!

[YukiEiri]

Totally an MMOG. So awesome. So very, very awesome. I hope PC has 32 players like IV did. Max Payne 3 PC only has 16, however, that game kind of needs to only have 16, so maybe we'll get 32 later on

Not an MMOG by a long shot..

Even if it would have 32 player limit, that is not massive.

 

Heists seem to be like the co-op in RDR, four players.

And other than that, I did not see a scene where there would be more than eight players at same times.

 

I'm not dissapointed, but MMOG this is NOT..

[Galaxyass]

Wrong patriot. And I already told you why Right Here: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1062951062

 

It is massive, because the stock market, economy, crews/guilds. It is massive. Just because people can only has so many per instance doesn't mean it's not all completely connected and going on at the same time.

 

If I can be in your lobby and sell or buy stocks that reflect in another lobby's connection to the game IT IS AN MMO.

 

CoD is an MMO, especially Ghosts. With player buffs, cod elite guilds in clans and squads, just like Rockstar's guilds are "crews"

 

You are stuck on "massively multiplayer" meaning every avatar HAS to be able to be in the same instance, which is not true at all.

 

Vindictus is MMORPG but can only have so many people per session.

 

Period. I cannot believe after all the explaining you still are so naive to just say "low players = not massive"

 

You *are* wrong, please accept it.

 

I have already explained to you in great detail, and you are trolling at this point, because I refuse to believe you are that ignorant to reality.

Word.

[brian.]

 

Totally an MMOG. So awesome. So very, very awesome. I hope PC has 32 players like IV did. Max Payne 3 PC only has 16, however, that game kind of needs to only have 16, so maybe we'll get 32 later on

Not an MMOG by a long shot..

Even if it would have 32 player limit, that is not massive.

 

Heists seem to be like the co-op in RDR, four players.

And other than that, I did not see a scene where there would be more than eight players at same times.

 

I'm not dissapointed, but MMOG this is NOT..

Player count is NOT a defining factor in whether something is an MMOG or not. That is a misconception, and that is a fact. See the poster below you, he knows the facts.

 

Read this thread and be educated - you're wrong bro, no offense, but you're wrong, totally and utterly wrong. CoD is even an MMO, and so is GTA Online. Read the thread:

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=571979

 

FURTHER:

 

 

On GTA V O'Clock, we've been speculating for a while that GTA Online would, in fact, be an MMO-style experience - and it's exciting to see that's definitely where it's headed.

 

And, yet, you say it's not an MMO. yea ok.

Edited August 15, 2013 by brian.

[Foddzy]

Its silly to quibble over whether or not it is an MMO/MMOG or not, its just definitions that are not set in stone. This is huge MMOG-wise news, the implications of which I don't think a lot of people are fully grokking right now, its freaking huge.

 

From the trailer: "... a persistent and continually expanding world..."

 

Wowsers. Brain exploding.

 

 

Oh jeez, now this The Benz interview and some video apparently, I'm gonna die: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/42426...oject-in-years/

 

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/42302...-on-gta-online/

 

 

Edited August 15, 2013 by Foddzy

[Omnifarious]

Totally an MMOG. So awesome. So very, very awesome. I hope PC has 32 players like IV did. Max Payne 3 PC only has 16, however, that game kind of needs to only have 16, so maybe we'll get 32 later on

Not an MMOG by a long shot..

Even if it would have 32 player limit, that is not massive.

 

Heists seem to be like the co-op in RDR, four players.

And other than that, I did not see a scene where there would be more than eight players at same times.

 

I'm not dissapointed, but MMOG this is NOT..

Defiance is an mmo, yet all the co-ops can only have 4 people, the arena mode is single player only, and I've never seen more than 30 people in the same area before.

[Big_Mitch_Baker]

MMO is a loose definition these days, but when I think of an MMO any other player who is online at the same time should be able to find me on my turf. If you happen to come across me like in a RDR lobby it's not really as cool

[brian.]

 

Its silly to quibble over whether or not it is an MMO/MMOG or not, its just definitions that are not set in stone. This is huge MMOG-wise news, the implications of which I don't think a lot of people are fully grokking right now, its freaking huge.

 

From the trailer: "... a persistent and continually expanding world..."

 

Wowsers. Brain exploding.

 

 

Oh jeez, now this The Benz interview and some video apparently, I'm gonna die: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/42426...oject-in-years/

 

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/42302...-on-gta-online/

Yep, this is massive news for a massive game. Very bright outlook for Grand Theft Auto fans and the series, Rockstar is about to be Saudi rich.

 

This is truly "the big one".

 

We'll be visiting ViceCity and Liberty in GTA Online eventually Player counts will probably increase over time as well, as the game jumps platforms.

 

All the talk about iproducts and android too - hmmmmm.

 

 

Defiance is an mmo, yet all the co-ops can only have 4 people, the arena mode is single player only, and I've never seen more than 30 people in the same area before.

 

Not only that, think of Vindictus, right?

 

Plus, I can already tell they are doing this in a way that lets you pop channels any time and even though it starts as only 16 players, you'll be able to pop channels/lobbies and still be participating in the exact same universe - so it's like, yea, it's an MMOG, and this thread serves as a chance for the people who think otherwise to have some light shed on the subject

Edited August 16, 2013 by brian.

[ZeeKid2k10]

I can see people blowing cribs in gta5 online

[DeadZombie]

No where officially does it say its a MMO.

 

So its officially a unofficial opinion.

 

Sorry bud

[brian.]

DeadZombie, you are utterly wrong. Your opinion is opinion, my words are facts, in the case of GTA Online my friend.

 

See this image:

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1062952018

 

And what do you read on it? GTA MMOG, right along with V there.

 

If you have not read up on all the news about GTA Online, I can understand your ignorance to this game being an MMO and thinking I am just speculating or something, but it is solidified fact now, not an opinion, it is yet another one of my claims being true.

 

Read the thread while you are there. Because then you will know what an MMO is. And what it does NOT require to be one.

 

And my posts on this topic are not opinion. They are proven facts that I have taken the time to prove and now it is revealed I am correct - don't call fact opinion bub.

[vivalavendredi]

16 players =/= massive. That is all.

 

Not even going to bother trying to drill this into your thick head. Posts all the reasoning and walls of text you want. It'll never be labeled an MMO except by the delusional.

Well I think as GTA:O should be a long-term thing it will be available later on the next-gen consoles with more players. And well, yeah on PC too of course.

[DeadZombie]

DeadZombie, you are utterly wrong. Your opinion is opinion, my words are facts, in the case of GTA Online my friend.

 

See this image:

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1062952018

 

And what do you read on it? GTA MMOG, right along with V there.

 

If you have not read up on all the news about GTA Online, I can understand your ignorance to this game being an MMO and thinking I am just speculating or something, but it is solidified fact now, not an opinion, it is yet another one of my claims being true.

 

Read the thread while you are there. Because then you will know what an MMO is. And what it does NOT require to be one.

 

And my posts on this topic are not opinion. They are proven facts that I have taken the time to prove and now it is revealed I am correct - don't call fact opinion bub.

I noticed a word on there.

 

 

POTENTIAL

[brian.]

Please, it is already being called MMO and questions about it answered by The Benz - give it up, it is confirmed now, that's why I made the topic.

 

Disagreement is only ridiculousness at this point. It is a persistent world for all players of the game, that goes on with or without you - it is an MMOG - regardless that each instance is only 16 players, you can go between them freely and each effects the other - thus it is an MMO in every sense of the term.

 

Economy, all that. Denial is silly at this point, I've put so much proof that you'd have to be just not even reading the topic to deny it at this point.

 

GTA Online is the beginnings of the GTA MMO. It does not need 100s of players same server to be an MMO. That is a huge misconception among gamers whose subjective opinions mean nothing in the face of the objective facts of the matter

 

And uh, you know, where the f do you see the word potential?

 

It's already confirmed - denial that GTA Online is an MMO is for people who think they know, but do NOT know what makes an MMO. Hint: It has nothing to do with concurrent players, AT ALL, regardless if it's a staple for many MMOs, it is NOT a requirement to be one. Some MMOs don't even HAVE worlds to share.

 

Edited August 16, 2013 by brian.

[Ertrick36]

All I wanted in this game was basically another GTA IV, but with some improvements... but this...

 

This is too good. I don't know how you'd necessarily define an MMOG (I think of MMORPG whenever I read "MMOG", which I know is a little wrong because "MMOG" encompasses a wider array of games), but if I wanted to sum up GTA Online (from what it looks like) in a few words, they'd be "Massive", "Multiplayer", and "Online". With most online games, I just get bored with them and just sort of drift from them; only those that I occasionally come across and like (even though usually everyone hates them) are ones that I've stuck with literally until the end. But with the GTA games, it has one of the few kinds of play-styles that actually seem to suit me for an online game. And GTA Online is pretty much everything I could ever want in an online game, assuming that my assumptions are solid.

[gta5freemode4eva]

I reckon 32-64 players on next gen... u never know... maybe even more. It'll be a cracking selling point when u have heists that need 32 players on the same side lol

[3inar]

 

No where officially does it say its a MMO.

 

So its officially a unofficial opinion.

 

Sorry bud

It sais so quite clearly in the text just above the first video in this link...

 

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/42426...oject-in-years/

 

EDIT:

 

Also this quote is taken from that link witch gives you a good idea what we are talking about.

 

"As GTA Online develops, it's sensible to expect the 'Whales' to rise to the top - players with more time and skill with the highest levels of RP and cash. However, it's possible to spread the wealth by sharing cash, weapons and ammo among your team. In turn, they can 'defect' and try to steal your cash so, like life, GTA Online is an exercise in trust and social dynamics"

Edited August 17, 2013 by 3inar

[Dock]

You know, I think GTA Online is a proper "online RPG", not really an MMO, 'cause you know, 16 people ain't massive

 

It'll have the MMO -ish feel to it. But it's not an actual MMO.

 

Still awesome!

[JStarr31]

Technically it's not an MMO...

 

 

.....it's more of an MORPG. I think that's more of what you mean.

 

It's not a MMO because, well, its just not massive" enough per se. The ambition is massive enough to put it on the right tracks to BECOME something more than a MMO, but for now it's just not quite.

 

Now, for what it is currently, GTA:O is more like a Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game (MORPG). According to recent information, you assume the ROLE of a criminal and have to level up through sets of missions and side-quests all to obtain top level status. That's sounds like an RPG to me.

 

You have weapon stats, vehicle stats, and player stats to upgrade and level up. You have a crew/faction with its own set of "job classes", stats and merits that require upkeep of sorts.

 

You can either level up to make more difficult missions easier or obtain "gear" to 'perk' up your character to aid you those harder quests (armor, parachutes, masks, etc.).

 

THIS sh*t IS LIKE ZELDA!!!!!

[bartholomeo]

A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously

 

16 players is not a large number of players.

Unreal tournament had 8vs8 games. So that is also a MMOG ?

 

I understand your point of view. Huge amount of players in the same world, etc...

Warcraft is an MMOG because it has HUNDREDS of players in 1 virtual world, all able to interact with each other at any point.

GTA will have hundreds of the same worlds, with only 16 persons occupying them at any time.

 

I also understand your point of the world 'massive" , and I agree 100% , the GTA5 world IS massive.

But the defining factor for an MMOG is the amount of players in the same world.

If only 2 people were playing World Of Warcraft it would not be an MMOG. Even tho its universe is monumentally huge.

 

Understand my point ?

[brian.]

No man, it has nothing to do with the common very-many-players mmo's. That is not a requirement to be an MMO.

 

Text based MMO have no overworld at all.

 

Many MMOs only support a few people per server. Explain Vindictus - that is an mmo.

 

You are trying to take your misconceptions and explain away the facts - but subjective opinions do not hold water to objective facts, I'm sorry.

 

I do see where you're coming from, and I totally expect GTA Online to expand player count over time - but what it is even at 16 players is an mmo.

 

Even call of duty is. I have already proven it, please read my posts

 

They will be entertaining because they are over the top yet informative because they are backed up with clear explanation all the way through.

 

You will not look dumb to consider GTA a game which is an MMO in the sense of it houses an entitely connected community in many ways more than just stats of a player, but rather, the entire world - the limitations of the systems, they will be 32, then maybe even 64 players in PS4, XB1 for GTA Online - it's something they want to expand

 

In the target video, they don't say anything about amount of players except "multiple players can..." so perhaps we can also look at it like the expanse of that, much like everything else, prior to this game and now heavily so, as a given.

 

But that's still speculative at best - the delusion that in order to "be" an MMOG, a game needs to have many players always in the same exact session is simply wrong.

 

There are poker MMO's that you only have a few people in.

 

Dota2 is a type of MMO. It is an MMORTS. And that's 1 on 1 and 2v2 I think. Other than that, it's your minions.

 

So hopefully you understand, I've been very flamboyant about it, but it really is true, GTA is now an MMO.

 

And I could probably call it an MMORPG depending how serious The Benz is about letting us shop for healthy foods or cook and eat pizzas lol.

 

Edited August 17, 2013 by brian.

[3inar]

A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously

 

16 players is not a large number of players.

Unreal tournament had 8vs8 games. So that is also a MMOG ?

 

I understand your point of view. Huge amount of players in the same world, etc...

Warcraft is an MMOG because it has HUNDREDS of players in 1 virtual world, all able to interact with each other at any point.

GTA will have hundreds of the same worlds, with only 16 persons occupying them at any time.

 

I also understand your point of the world 'massive" , and I agree 100% , the GTA5 world IS massive.

But the defining factor for an MMOG is the amount of players in the same world.

If only 2 people were playing World Of Warcraft it would not be an MMOG. Even tho its universe is monumentally huge.

 

Understand my point ?

The developers have already said it is a MMOG so...

[gta5freemode4eva]

I must admit that 16 players on a map with this area is a bit, well, odd... but I'm used to 16 players on IV so I don't mind it too much. It's gonna rock!!!!!! - cant believe only 30 more days now... madness