Mr_Goldcard Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 What if like Love Fist exists in the HD universe, the old characters from past GTAs exist as well but in their own HD way. For example, lets say the San Andreas story happened, but instead of it happening in old Los Santos it happen in the new HD Los Santos, anyone ever thought of that? Think of it as Nintendo Mario Bros and New Super Mario Bros Wii. Different universe, same character Look first of all I'm a non-believer. I dont believe characters from past GTAs will be in the HD universe but ever since I saw Love Fist in there it got me thinking... That maybe past characters exist in the HD universe but in their own unique way. Let me give out another example, think Joel Schumacher's Batman and Robin and Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight. Different universe right? Same character but is adapted in the form of the new universe. Nolan's Batman is dark and gritty serious tone while Joel's is a more cartoony kid friendly tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I always though media figures could pass universes, like Fernando Maritnez and Lazlow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packardcaribien Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Well, James Pedeaston, Lazlow, and Fernando all passed. Love Fist is borderline because they were both on radio AND characters in two games. I don't think any protags will return, but the universes are starting to overlap a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Goldcard Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 They do but they completely disregard the old universe cause they are from the new universe. Just like old characters can disregard the old universe and exist in the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 they were both on radio AND characters in two games. Two games? I thought they just made a physical appearance in Vice City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eutyphro Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 What was wrong with the other topic? Why make two topics about the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Goldcard Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 they were both on radio AND characters in two games. Two games? I thought they just made a physical appearance in Vice City They came out as a brand in San Andreas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albinobuffalo96 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 It's possible, but we will most likely never know because no III-era characters will return and R* probably aren't going to say anything about it. Odds are, R* just decided to make a new better version of Los Santos, excluded any allusion to III-era, and simply left it that. They used the brands, car names, place names, and other stuff from old history but they did so because it's GTA tradition and they didn't want to have to create new ones. I guess what I'm trying to say is, R* doesn't pay as much attention to the "universes" as we do. They just make the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee8ball Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 That's kinda like a theory i had but mine was just similar events and characters instead of directly the same character. (E.g. Someone similar to big smoke instead of someone just like big smoke.) the theory would also explain why lamar was worried that franklin might be a snitch. due to big smoke betraying grove street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packardcaribien Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 they were both on radio AND characters in two games. Two games? I thought they just made a physical appearance in Vice City Never mind, I was thinking of Kent Paul appearing again in San Andreas. He appeared, but the band did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fail_At_GTA Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 The universe thing isn't hard to understand, so why don't you guys understand it? Brands and references to previous GTA's can cross universes. That's why there wa CJ/Claude/Tommy graffiti in GTA 4 and why there's Love Fist in GTA 5. Characters who appear in the flesh cant cross universes unless its just a reference. Once again with Love Fist, they cant appear physically in GTA 5 because they appeared physically in Vice City (I think). Characters such as old protags, Sweet, or anyone else mission related cant cross universes as their story never happened in the HD universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Goldcard Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 The universe thing isn't hard to understand, so why don't you guys understand it? Brands and references to previous GTA's can cross universes. That's why there wa CJ/Claude/Tommy graffiti in GTA 4 and why there's Love Fist in GTA 5. Characters who appear in the flesh cant cross universes unless its just a reference. Once again with Love Fist, they cant appear physically in GTA 5 because they appeared physically in Vice City (I think). Characters such as old protags, Sweet, or anyone else mission related cant cross universes as their story never happened in the HD universe. You obviously didn't read my theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I guess what I'm trying to say is, R* doesn't pay as much attention to the "universes" as we do. They just make the game. That is not correct. The whole thing about eras and the universum in the GTA series does only involve physical characters. Brands, radio stations, characters from the radio, and so on can exist in all eras, be it 2D, 3D or HD-era. However, characters like Tommy, CJ, and the like can not switch between the eras, at least not physically. For instance, El Burro existed physically in the original GTA, and he appeared in the radio of III - but he did not cross universes! To make it easier to comprehend, I'll just quote what Rockstar stated in an Asked&Answered to GTAIII. There are many references to GTAIII characters and brands (El Burro graffiti in LC for example) in GTAIV, but do any characters (other than Lazlow) actually exist within both 'universes'? Is that where Donald Love went? Did he hop dimensions into the GTAIV universe?! Plot twist!! Are the two universes completely separate? I understand it'd make almost no sense having two Liberty City's but is there any way we'll see characters from GTAIII return? GTAIV has some amazing characters, but some of the characters in the III era are just unforgettable. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/arti...claude-dar.html GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyKing Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Huh... all Mario games are set in the same universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fail_At_GTA Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 The universe thing isn't hard to understand, so why don't you guys understand it? Brands and references to previous GTA's can cross universes. That's why there wa CJ/Claude/Tommy graffiti in GTA 4 and why there's Love Fist in GTA 5. Characters who appear in the flesh cant cross universes unless its just a reference. Once again with Love Fist, they cant appear physically in GTA 5 because they appeared physically in Vice City (I think). Characters such as old protags, Sweet, or anyone else mission related cant cross universes as their story never happened in the HD universe. You obviously didn't read my theory. I read all of it that I needed to. Its illogical to say the events of San Andreas happened in the HD version of Los Santos. Nothing is the same except landmark buildings, and even then, they differ from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaggbro Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 This whole universe thing kind of sucks to me. Not that I want to see previous protagonist appear. It's just why Rockstar decided to make different universes. I was cool and satisfied with the III era. I just want to know why Rockstar did this. Still scooping the game up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albinobuffalo96 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I guess what I'm trying to say is, R* doesn't pay as much attention to the "universes" as we do. They just make the game. That is not correct. The whole thing about eras and the universum in the GTA series does only involve physical characters. Brands, radio stations, characters from the radio, and so on can exist in all eras, be it 2D, 3D or HD-era. However, characters like Tommy, CJ, and the like can not switch between the eras, at least not physically. For instance, El Burro existed physically in the original GTA, and he appeared in the radio of III - but he did not cross universes! To make it easier to comprehend, I'll just quote what Rockstar stated in an Asked&Answered to GTAIII. There are many references to GTAIII characters and brands (El Burro graffiti in LC for example) in GTAIV, but do any characters (other than Lazlow) actually exist within both 'universes'? Is that where Donald Love went? Did he hop dimensions into the GTAIV universe?! Plot twist!! Are the two universes completely separate? I understand it'd make almost no sense having two Liberty City's but is there any way we'll see characters from GTAIII return? GTAIV has some amazing characters, but some of the characters in the III era are just unforgettable. El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe. http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/arti...claude-dar.html and I completely agree with you on what does and does not cross over. but they also put the III-era protag graffiti in IV. I'm saying they aren't strict when it comes to these rules, and there are things they don't even feel the need to explain. such as, what states do and don't exist in the GTA-universe USA? Florida, Arizona, San Andreas, Liberty, and Alderney do, but do New York and New Jersey? What I'm saying is, they can make stuff that makes no sense to the rules they've made and because it's such small detail, they don't really care. While we question things like how the universes and geography works, R* don't really have too many extensive explanations for how they do because they never thought about it, they just made the map, the characters, and the story. So while they're are some rules about who and what crossovers with previous eras, they don't even have any for how the GTA universes relate to the real universe. I'm rambling now, but basically I'm saying R* has no need to go into detail about how all this universe stuff works, only enough to explain why previous things will or will not be featured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Why do you guys continue to bust your brains over Rockstar's [insert adjective here] excuse for the change of the city's infrastructure? I'm sure it probably took them less than 4 minutes to come up with that. It's much easier for them to do it this way and they get to maximize their profits. They don't have to worry with continuity and more importantly for IV, they could have gotten three or four no name voice actors for the price of a Samuel L Jackson or a Ray Liotta. If they were to try and get back some of their old characters, the money they would have had to pay them would have risen. And the way we are in this community, if they had tried to switch out Liotta with Ned Luke as Vercetti, many of us would have been upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt.j1031 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 listen everyone, at the end of the day this is just a video game and rockstar can do whatever they want and put whoever they want in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Goldcard Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Funktopus Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Dude does it really matter its not like the old eras characters would have anything to do with 5's story its all in the past . If you really want the old universes stories to be precursers to this one just pretend it makes no f*cking difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOENIXZERO Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Old characters are basically like TV/Movie characters in the HD universe or "mythical characters" as Dan Houser referred to them as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r34ld34l Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 listen everyone, at the end of the day this is just a video game and rockstar can do whatever they want and put whoever they want in a game. No they can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Goldcard Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinsBroJT Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Huh... all Mario games are set in the same universe. Paper Mario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinsBroJT Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 What if like Love Fist exists in the HD universe, the old characters from past GTAs exist as well but in their own HD way. For example, lets say the San Andreas story happened, but instead of it happening in old Los Santos it happen in the new HD Los Santos, anyone ever thought of that? Think of it as Nintendo Mario Bros and New Super Mario Bros Wii. Different universe, same character Look first of all I'm a non-believer. I dont believe characters from past GTAs will be in the HD universe but ever since I saw Love Fist in there it got me thinking... That maybe past characters exist in the HD universe but in their own unique way. Let me give out another example, think Joel Schumacher's Batman and Robin and Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight. Different universe right? Same character but is adapted in the form of the new universe. Nolan's Batman is dark and gritty serious tone while Joel's is a more cartoony kid friendly tone Or the 3d universe stories never actually happened but the characters are alive? And have a good life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaminggriffin Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 This actually could make sense, I mean, what if instead of escaping the prison bus with eight-ball in the beginning of Gta 3 in the 3D universe, Claude went to prison or got killed by Catalina in the HD universe, or instead of going back to San Andreas, CJ stayed in Liberty city, or never left grove street and got killed in the drive-by. It's possible... maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellic 4 life Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 They were referenced in GTA IV you fools. How can you not remember that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3AL1Z3 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Dan Houser specifically and repeatedly says that the "characters" from previous eras will not appear in this HD era. However, I firmly believe that he is referencing to them in the physical sense, and that all the previous stories remain intact and part of GTA lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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