Why San An Was The GOAT GTA & IV sucked

[Silentype]

Whatever homie. I enjoyed the hell out of IV and just finished playing it not too long ago. If you enjoy San Andreas, that's fine. Can't speak for everyone else, but I don't give a f*ck. IMO it isn't even fair to compare them.

If your saying it isn't fair to compare San Andreas to 4 that's the silliest sh&t I've ever heard considering the fact that 4 came out 4 years later on a more powerful system, but if you mean vice versa I agree with you comparing 4 to Sa isn't fair, it be like comparing an old model to a new and improved 1, but unfortunately in this case the old model had a lot more going on for it then the new even though the new looked better.

[Ferocious Banger]

 

I'd probably puke if I put it in and tried to play it now

 

No. If you go back and enjoy it without hating it, you'll enjoy it.

[Juzt]

Also, wtf is "GOAT"? Game Of A...something?

The acronym for Greatest Of All Time

...in your opinion.

 

 

Maybe you should share YOUR opinion on what the acronym for Greatest Of All Time is.

I was talking about this opinion of yours: SA is the GOAT.

 

The other guy asked what 'GOAT' is in relation to the OP, and the OP is your opinion.

No he was asking me what GOAT means. My answer was fact not opinion... Look man are we really getting into this? lol it's okay to admit you made a mistake you know

Not a mistake. I've explained to you what I meant. I sure as sh*t know what 'GOAT' means. Why did that guy ask what GOAT was? To apply the meaning of it in the OP. And that OP is nothing but \your personal opinion.

You're slow as sh*t bro, sorry but really. chalk it off and move on.

 

[Hodgey.]

How can SA be the GOAT when VC is the GOAT, it makes no sense

[davetopper]

Whats with all the people in here trying to talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto? Its really not cool. Y'all sound f*ckin retarded.

What's up with people actually caring about how other people type? Why can't they just type how they want and leave everybody else alone?

Because this is an ENGLISH speaking forum, not ebonic ghetto wannabe banger.

Said the "Pimp".

 

Interesting irony there.

 

 

[GTAaLEX117]

Whatever homie. I enjoyed the hell out of IV and just finished playing it not too long ago. If you enjoy San Andreas, that's fine. Can't speak for everyone else, but I don't give a f*ck. IMO it isn't even fair to compare them.

If your saying it isn't fair to compare San Andreas to 4 that's the silliest sh&t I've ever heard considering the fact that 4 came out 4 years later on a more powerful system, but if you mean vice versa I agree with you comparing 4 to Sa isn't fair, it be like comparing an old model to a new and improved 1, but unfortunately in this case the old model had a lot more going on for it then the new even though the new looked better.

Well it really isn't fair to compare them, SA was built on top of VC, IV was basically built from scratch, on a new engine, for a new console generation.

[Raavi]

 

I actually think GTA IV was a brilliant game, and the best GTA Game, dare I say open world game, to date. After playing IV, SA was nearly unplayable for me. The improvement was too big to ignore.

When did you start playing videogames, dude? You must be a true n00b to compare a 2008 game (and next gen) with a 2004 game (and last gen) and call the latter; "unplayable" or "the improvement was too big to ignore"; the f*ck? What improvement?

 

Graphics? That´s only hardware. What improvements, dude? A soulless city? boring and annoying characters? unbearable repetitiveness? unoriginal and generic missions? stupid minigames (bowling as a pivotal minigame in a GTA is one of the most dumbest things I've seen in a Rockstar game)? What exactly?

 

IV was just boring and pretentious, the lowest point for Rockstar in years.

 

Luckily they realized that IV was utter crap and they decided to return to the essence of the best GTA ever; SA.

First of all, you're free to disagree and argue with me, just try to keep the ad hominem to a minimum. Second, I've been playing games since the mid 90s, and I've seen enormous improvements over the years. That doesn't I mean I still enjoy the games I played nearly two decades ago, they're nothing but nostalgic for me now. I prefer to be visually enthralled (HD over pre-HD).

 

Lastly, and I'm reiterating myself here, Liberty City in IV felt much more alive, the actions and interactions between pedestrians and between pedestrians and the world felt as though they were real. The world didn't feel empty anymore, everywhere you looked there was something going on. The physics, brought by rag doll and the new RAGE engine were a great improvement, the water reacted (and looked) more realistic, driving and vehicle damage was more realistic, cars wouldn't magically catch fire and explode anymore. The missions, though limited in variety, where designed better then ever before, the combat and cover system was much more in-depth. In my opinion IV was by no means boring and pretentious, and certainty not 'rockstar's lowest point' but hey everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

Don't get me wrong SA was great for its time, but it has become a period piece, just like IV.

 

V is a mixture of RDR, MP3, GTA IV and GTA SA. Which should please every possible preference.

[Durden]

I think one of the main reasons people were really disappointed with IV after SA was because they were scared of the series evolving. After SA, GTA took on some major changes in its tone, gameplay mechanics, graphics/physics, and themes. It was a darker game than the III era games, and that drove a lot of people away. My guess is that these SA guys would complain that IV took itself too seriously, and that It's defeating the whole purpose of playing a video game, since games are generally supposed to take you away from reality.

 

The fact is, IV was not a bad game. You can tell by just looking at the rating. Now sure, there's a lot of controversy around whether IV deserved that perfect score, but it was a great game for its time. People seem to forget that IV was at the beginning of the generation, so of course there were issues like insufficient side-content, clunky controls, laggy MP, etc... You get the point.

 

But we got amazing graphics (for the time), mind-blowing physics, a decent storyline, more believable characters & interactions, potentially infinite-lasting MP, total freedom to explore tonnes of cool places in LC, and some fun side-activities like Police Vigilante, racing, and sports/hobbies w/ friends. It may have been lacking as far as gameplay content compared to SA, but IMO the technical leap alone was worth the trade-off of "fun", as it has now helped form the technical backbone of GTAV.

[IDredMan]

V is a mixture of RDR, MP3, GTA IV and GTA SA. Which should please every possible preference.

Not the Manhunt peeps who want to see giant pig-dick tho.

[ItsClipZz]

Whats with all the people in here trying to talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto? Its really not cool. Y'all sound f*ckin retarded.

What's up with people actually caring about how other people type? Why can't they just type how they want and leave everybody else alone?

Because this is an ENGLISH speaking forum, not ebonic ghetto wannabe banger.

"Y'all".

 

Look who's talking, stupid hypocrite.

and just slightly racist

How is it racist? Ghetto gangbangers can be of any ethnicity.

" talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto?"

why blacks?.. and its stereotypical. very stereotypical and slightly racist

[Dope_0110]

 

I used to love that game, and I still do. It's a good game, but this fanboyism is what would make any fan on SA like me say f*ck that game.

 

 

You sound like an idiot tbph. No game is without it's flaws including San An. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they are a fan boy. a fan boy is a fag who defends blindly. I merely stated my opinion, not once have I forced my views on anyone or insulted anyone who doesn't agree with my take....like a fanboy? *looks around thread* spots quite a few. grow up guyzzzz

You came here saying ''Why San An Was The GOAT GTA & IV sucked''.. that IS fanboyism.

 

Both are good games #FACT

 

Some people think SA is better #FACT

 

Some people think IV is better #FACT

 

People who make threads praising SA to be god among games and at the same time claim IV was the worst sh*t that ever happened to the gaming industry are SA fanboys #FACT

[exmpletree]

For me GTA SA was the best game of all time because of the freedom and large, varied map. I liked the detail and graphics of IV, but i missed the countryside and all that. Also IV's feel was too gray and negative to me. I liked SA's color and mediterran feel because it was set in California. I have the same thing with V. The overal vibe is really great, sunny LS with desert and mountains. Planes to fly in a huge map. That's what GTA is all about for me. Just freedom to do whatever you can't do in real life.

Why can't more people be like this guy? It's completely understandable how you missed the countryside and such. I'm glad for you it's back in GTA V.

thanks can't wait to get my hands on this game. For me V is the new GOAT

[AtomicPunk]

Whats with all the people in here trying to talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto? Its really not cool. Y'all sound f*ckin retarded.

What's up with people actually caring about how other people type? Why can't they just type how they want and leave everybody else alone?

Because this is an ENGLISH speaking forum, not ebonic ghetto wannabe banger.

"Y'all".

 

Look who's talking, stupid hypocrite.

and just slightly racist

How is it racist? Ghetto gangbangers can be of any ethnicity.

" talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto?"

why blacks?.. and its stereotypical. very stereotypical and slightly racist

"ya'll" is actually rural/country slang--NOT ebonics. Blacks got a lot of their slang from the south/appalachias. JUST SAYING

[Bonnano]

Whats with all the people in here trying to talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto? Its really not cool. Y'all sound f*ckin retarded.

What's up with people actually caring about how other people type? Why can't they just type how they want and leave everybody else alone?

Because this is an ENGLISH speaking forum, not ebonic ghetto wannabe banger.

"Y'all".

 

Look who's talking, stupid hypocrite.

and just slightly racist

How is it racist? Ghetto gangbangers can be of any ethnicity.

" talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto?"

why blacks?.. and its stereotypical. very stereotypical and slightly racist

Didn't read that part, I now see why it's racist.

[Official General]

Whats with all the people in here trying to talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto? Its really not cool. Y'all sound f*ckin retarded.

What's up with people actually caring about how other people type? Why can't they just type how they want and leave everybody else alone?

Because this is an ENGLISH speaking forum, not ebonic ghetto wannabe banger.

"Y'all".

 

Look who's talking, stupid hypocrite.

and just slightly racist

How is it racist? Ghetto gangbangers can be of any ethnicity.

" talk like they're uneducated blacks in the ghetto?"

why blacks?.. and its stereotypical. very stereotypical and slightly racist

"ya'll" is actually rural/country slang--NOT ebonics. Blacks got a lot of their slang from the south/appalachias. JUST SAYING

@ Atomic

 

That is very true what you just said. African-American vernacular is actually a mix of American Southern English spoken with West African grammar and syntax.

 

On topic :

 

I can see why people would say San Andreas was the GOAT. For me personally, Vice City was is the GOAT in GTA so far.

[canadian_wakenbacon]

bruh V come out in 36 days i dont give a f*ck about IV anymore leave san andreas to its time and move the the f*ck on

This.

[kj2022]

What's funny about your argument is that you're actually defending GTA IV's flaws without realizing it.

Not really. I just didn't go into detail about the flaws. If you mean the story was the downside of the game compared to the other's I think most would disagree.

 

Reason I didn't like IV was because there is only so much messing around an empty city making my own game before it gets stale. Especially after San An offered so much

 

The graphics were atrocious. even for back then (I get there are reasons for that but it doesn't change the fact) it had this horrible haze effect and washed out look going on.

 

You had people phoning you up every 2 minutes to go bowling

 

The only thing it had going for outside the story was the driving mechanics and rag doll.

wait, you say IV felt empty? man what the hell are you smoking?

[LibSity]

Why is this in the V section?

 

I played IV first, so then I went and bought the other games after I finished IV. I was used to current gen, so obviously SA was godwaful, but I'm sure it was amazing back then.

[Juzt]

What's funny about your argument is that you're actually defending GTA IV's flaws without realizing it.

Not really. I just didn't go into detail about the flaws. If you mean the story was the downside of the game compared to the other's I think most would disagree.

 

Reason I didn't like IV was because there is only so much messing around an empty city making my own game before it gets stale. Especially after San An offered so much

 

The graphics were atrocious. even for back then (I get there are reasons for that but it doesn't change the fact) it had this horrible haze effect and washed out look going on.

 

You had people phoning you up every 2 minutes to go bowling

 

The only thing it had going for outside the story was the driving mechanics and rag doll.

wait, you say IV felt empty? man what the hell are you smoking?

When I said empty I was referring to the lack of activities on offer in comparison to S.A

[kj2022]

What's funny about your argument is that you're actually defending GTA IV's flaws without realizing it.

Not really. I just didn't go into detail about the flaws. If you mean the story was the downside of the game compared to the other's I think most would disagree.

 

Reason I didn't like IV was because there is only so much messing around an empty city making my own game before it gets stale. Especially after San An offered so much

 

The graphics were atrocious. even for back then (I get there are reasons for that but it doesn't change the fact) it had this horrible haze effect and washed out look going on.

 

You had people phoning you up every 2 minutes to go bowling

 

The only thing it had going for outside the story was the driving mechanics and rag doll.

wait, you say IV felt empty? man what the hell are you smoking?

When I said empty I was referring to the lack of activities on offer in comparison to S.A

I don't think there's really a lot to do in New York itself, and tbh a lot of the activities from San Andreas just didn't make sense even then and certainly wouldn't have in IV.

[sats]

Yeah i agree gta sandreas was the best gta.gta 4 was crap.

[Juzt]

What's funny about your argument is that you're actually defending GTA IV's flaws without realizing it.

Not really. I just didn't go into detail about the flaws. If you mean the story was the downside of the game compared to the other's I think most would disagree.

 

Reason I didn't like IV was because there is only so much messing around an empty city making my own game before it gets stale. Especially after San An offered so much

 

The graphics were atrocious. even for back then (I get there are reasons for that but it doesn't change the fact) it had this horrible haze effect and washed out look going on.

 

You had people phoning you up every 2 minutes to go bowling

 

The only thing it had going for outside the story was the driving mechanics and rag doll.

wait, you say IV felt empty? man what the hell are you smoking?

When I said empty I was referring to the lack of activities on offer in comparison to S.A

I don't think there's really a lot to do in New York itself.

There isn't a lot to do in New York?

[kj2022]

What's funny about your argument is that you're actually defending GTA IV's flaws without realizing it.

Not really. I just didn't go into detail about the flaws. If you mean the story was the downside of the game compared to the other's I think most would disagree.

 

Reason I didn't like IV was because there is only so much messing around an empty city making my own game before it gets stale. Especially after San An offered so much

 

The graphics were atrocious. even for back then (I get there are reasons for that but it doesn't change the fact) it had this horrible haze effect and washed out look going on.

 

You had people phoning you up every 2 minutes to go bowling

 

The only thing it had going for outside the story was the driving mechanics and rag doll.

wait, you say IV felt empty? man what the hell are you smoking?

When I said empty I was referring to the lack of activities on offer in comparison to S.A

I don't think there's really a lot to do in New York itself.

There isn't a lot to do in New York?

I'm not sure, I've never been, but seeing as it's mainly a metropolitan area, I'm guessing you can shop, visit Central Park and probably catch a show. You could do all of those things, be it at a limit, on IV so I'm not complaining.

[cp1dell]

GTASACircleJerk.com

[DeafMetal]

GTA IV was 2 steps forward and three steps back imo. TBoGT was much more enjoyable than the core game. If they had introduced the mechanics from the DLC, then it would have been a game on par with SA imo.

[Palpo]

I stopped reading at "IV was more of a tech demo"

 

Never go full retard, man.

[Silentype]

I think one of the main reasons people were really disappointed with IV after SA was because they were scared of the series evolving. After SA, GTA took on some major changes in its tone, gameplay mechanics, graphics/physics, and themes. It was a darker game than the III era games, and that drove a lot of people away. My guess is that these SA guys would complain that IV took itself too seriously, and that It's defeating the whole purpose of playing a video game, since games are generally supposed to take you away from reality.

 

The fact is, IV was not a bad game. You can tell by just looking at the rating. Now sure, there's a lot of controversy around whether IV deserved that perfect score, but it was a great game for its time. People seem to forget that IV was at the beginning of the generation, so of course there were issues like insufficient side-content, clunky controls, laggy MP, etc... You get the point.

 

But we got amazing graphics (for the time), mind-blowing physics, a decent storyline, more believable characters & interactions, potentially infinite-lasting MP, total freedom to explore tonnes of cool places in LC, and some fun side-activities like Police Vigilante, racing, and sports/hobbies w/ friends. It may have been lacking as far as gameplay content compared to SA, but IMO the technical leap alone was worth the trade-off of "fun", as it has now helped form the technical backbone of GTAV.

I think your a little misguided in thinking the serious more "grown up" tone wasn't appreciated, I for 1(IMO) thought it was a great move, but when people try to correlate less things to do in a video game to "realism" and a "serious" tone I look at that like 2+2 isn't equalling 4 for these guys cause realism/seriousness doesn't equal nor mean limiting stuff down that can be done in real life(like owning a business, or operating a criminal enterprise,for instance) not to mention being involved in acts that can be considered terrorism and not being arrested or killed.

See cause truth be told any # of features from previous games could've been made more realistic as opposed to cartoony which is what I thought was going to happen and was what excited me about 4.

[OurMotherEarth]

GTA San Andreas for the win.

[LeFox]

Look, another f*cker who thinks his opinion is a fact. People's opinion choose what their game of all time GTA is.

[ItsClipZz]

ok im getting frustrated with all the people who like SA more than IV , but theres so many of you im willing to listen.

what is it that makes you think that SA is better than IV ? , im a freelance designer, graphics and physics impress me, i loved everything about IV, the little tilt to the walk, the way your feet hit every step on steps... the A.I everyone beefs about . is AMAZING compared to all other IVs . AMAZING, cops flank you, talk to you, talk to peds about you. cover each other.. yes SA did seem bigger to me, it was fun, custom cars was good, having hommies was good. i think it was the first time we had planes, pushbikes, yeah alot was good. but no way it stacks up to IV, even if IV is lacking some things...

 

WHAT IS IT? TELL ME, WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT SA SO MUCH, AND / OR HATE ABOUT IV?