Tycek Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Fantastic job, Silent. The thing you found out doesn't exactly mean that game was suppose to have more than one protagonist. As you know console version supports co-op. The code you found could be part of that and in early version R* could plan to use drop-in co-op for all the missions like in SR. Game was able to track both players separately, but probably weak PS2 wasn't able to support fluent game (it was barely fluent for single player), so the idea was dropped and the leftovers were used in totally useless co-op do-nothing-and-occasionally-kiss-the-other-player-kind-of-game or co-op rampages, which supports two players, each with his own health and inventory but only on one screen. PsyWarVeteran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Andreas Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) Any documentation? Alright then, I'll document gang weapons. Note: This is NTSC v1. 0081B280 - Starting address. Gangs have 3 weapon slots; add 4 bytes to get the first ID. Here's what I have: 2081B284- Ballas weapon slot #1 2081B288- Ballas weapon slot #2 2081B28C- Ballas weapon slot #3 2081B294- Grove weapon slot #1 2081B298-Grove weapon slot #2 2081B29C-Grove weapon slot #3 2081B2A4 -Vagos weapon slot #1 2081B2A8- Vagos weapon slot #2 2081B2AC -Vagos weapon slot #3 2081B2B4-Rifa weapon slot #1 2081B2B8- Rifa weapon slot #2 2081B2BC-Rifa weapon slot #3 2081B2C4- Da Nang weapon slot #1 2081B2C8- Da Nang weapon slot #2 2081B2CC- Da Nang weapon slot #3 2081B2D4- Mafia weapon slot #1 2081B2D8-Mafia weapon slot #2 2081B2DC- Mafia weapon slot #3 2081B2E4- Triads weapon slot #1 2081B2E8- Triads weapon slot #2 2081B2EC- Triads weapon slot #3 2081B2F4- Aztecas weapon slot #1 2081B2F8-Aztecas weapon slot #2 2081B2FC-Aztecas weapon slot #3 2081B304-Unused Gang 9 weapon slot #1 2081B308-Unused Gang 9 weapon slot #2 2081B30C-Unused Gang 9 weapon slot #3 2081B314-Unused Gang 10 weapon slot #1 2081B318-Unused Gang 10 weapon slot #2 2081B31C-Unused Gang 10 weapon slot #3 Since we're on the subject, does anyone know what this starting data 007BF970 represents? To play multiple characters sounds splendid; I doubt anyone would disagree. So even though nobody likes to be wrong, I'd love to be wrong about multiple protagonists not being in the game index. When you found this on PC, what file did you observe? Edited August 26, 2013 by King Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Fantastic job, Silent. The thing you found out doesn't exactly mean that game was suppose to have more than one protagonist. As you know console version supports co-op. The code you found could be part of that and in early version R* could plan to use drop-in co-op for all the missions like in SR. Game was able to track both players separately, but probably weak PS2 wasn't able to support fluent game (it was barely fluent for single player), so the idea was dropped and the leftovers were used in totally useless co-op do-nothing-and-occasionally-kiss-the-other-player-kind-of-game or co-op rampages, which supports two players, each with his own health and inventory but only on one screen. You do have a point. I just like to think it's multiple protagonists code seeing how easy it can be used to achieve such. Combined with that interview it gives a pretty legimate proof. When you found this on PC, what file did you observe? The executable, as always. I was aware about that active player flag since ages but I always thought it's used in PS2 co-op missions. Turns out, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In45do Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Rockstar did create the multiple protagonist, but because of limited engine and/or system from the past they can't. They already make the scripts which is SilentPL found about active player flag. Good find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Well, considering how many things R* took out of the game before release, this is unexpected, but not a surprise. If R* would implemented all that stuff they originaly planned: multiple protags, the skateboard, the Hot Coffee, the "home_brains" code, and all those interiors, anims, models, sound and text that are present but not used in the final release, can you imagine how the game would be? F*cking awesome Maybe 3 different protagonists are the explanation for 3 different cities. Previous GTAs had only one city Offtopic: Damn Silent, you're amazing. Good find. Sorry for such a dumb question, how can you "look" in the gta_sa.exe file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Dragonjack + Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 That would've been insane, what a great fine CJ! Imagine if Grand Theft Auto IV was supposed to have multiple protagonists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Offtopic:Damn Silent, you're amazing. Good find. Sorry for such a dumb question, how can you "look" in the gta_sa.exe file? Reading a disassembled file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reform Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 The story would have made more sense, assuming each "chapter"/locationfeatured its own protagonist. After all, one of the main criticisms I hear about SA is the disjointed story. This would have gone some way to remedy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Homie Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 QUOTE (King Andreas @ Monday, Aug 12 2013, 03:16) Nothing (and I mean nothing) in the games code index supports this, thus suggesting this was an idea that was never even halfway put into place. I know it's been a while since you posted this, but you are horribly wrong. Game code DOES hint that, you could check my attempt to re-use it: The idea was taken down soon I guess, but game WAS playable at that moment already, as evidenced by my footage. This time R* did not lie at all. Amazing find OP Hey, Can you give us a download link to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's not released. It hasn't even transformed into a proper, usable modification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gts. Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Wow, I never read this topic before. Nice find Andreas and Silent. With this feature San Andreas would have been more amazing than it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inadequate Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 San Andreas was released in 2004 for the PS2, whereas it was released in 2005 for the PC. The point: Partially implementing this on PC and not the PS2 is outlandish. Nonetheless, I do believe this idea was considered, though I don't believe it was partially implemented, ever. Very, very late reply, but this was a kick in my nuts. Is obviously the code isn't absent and is present on PS2, is in someway the first build of San Andreas (yeah, the PS2 version) and again... is obvious the code is right there but most probably a leftover/unfinished like on PC, just like Silent said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCKSTAR MANIC Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I heard of the multiple protags for San Andreas. It would have been amazing if they ever implemented this feature to the Great piece of video game art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah nah nah Gta 6 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I wish SA had multiple protagonists, atleast 2 anyway, they tried too hard to fit all these different personalities into 1 character, that being CJ. Journey_95 and The Dedito Gae 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimeball supreme Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) I wish SA had multiple protagonists, atleast 2 anyway, they tried too hard to fit all these different personalities into 1 character, that being CJ. STR8 BUSTAH CJ was honestly a pretty bad protagonist. And to also be fair, I'm not sure if I'm totally on board with SA having multiple characters. Edited September 12, 2015 by Mr. Fahrenheit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeingARK Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I am waiting for Silent to release this Multiple Protagonist's Thingy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honker1944 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 About three protagonist. Maybe the last one was Tempenny cuz he have two simillarities to Trevor. Dies on the end and noone likes him... CyberRock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedinhuh Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Nah, I think it probally would be CJ, Sweet and Cesar. The way Sweet was left out of most if the story because he gets arrested and sent to a prison that doesn't even exists on the map always felt like a cheap cop-out to me. If it were somebody from Las Venturas then I can't imagine who it could be because when we are at that part of the story we don't meet anyone who could fit the bill of a protagonist character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey_95 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) CJ for LS, Cesar for SF and Tommy for LV would have been great imho. Edited March 3, 2016 by Journey_95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UshaB Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I feel like it would have been: CJ for LS, clearly A Chinese immigrant who now works for the Triad for Woozie (hence the Tae Kwon Do fighting style in San Fierro) Probably some wealthy partystyle type guy in LV or an agent for the Govt working for Mike Toreno. San Andre reminds me of those movies with Jet Li and DMX teaming up. It has that Triad Chinese culture and that Gangsta Ghetto culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Played a couple of such games, and find them totally boring. Switching between characters does not allow for a feeling of accomplishment. Also, kind of Daemon Possession, taking over the personality/body of other characters does not feel right in a gaming situation. Sure, it makes for some "Chrome" but nothing to brag about. Using a hammer, then a saw makes the changing of characters during the game merely a tool. Gives the meaning of calling someone a "Tool" a reality. CyberRock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior_Djjr Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Very nice, since 2013, and I didn't know that. For me: CJ, Cesar, SweetAt first, control CJ and Sweet.When Sweet is arrested he will be replaced by Cesar. A character in each city does not make sense for me, It seems to combine, but thinking about, I can't imagine a story going that way. For example CJ is prevented from leaving by LS Tenpenny, meanwhile you would be doing what? Controlling another character in SF until the CJ can leave and go to SF? Unlock new characters over the game? (wtf?) Realize that you always drive the Cesar's car, what's the point? It's his car, and if I remember right there even missions where he comes with the car and instead he keep driving, he gives you the place to drive. But at the beginning of game makes sense to drive cars that are not yours, they indicate you to drive instead of shoot. CJ has low "respect" yet. But, of course, the storyline and especially missions could be different. But also I don't believe it would be much different, and so the storyline is the first thing to think about when creating a game, they close some story and continue with it while the game system is being developed, if something didn't work they are unlikely to radically alter the history. Just to confirm, this camera is 100% manually yours, right? If not, I would be 2X more surprised. Even camera codes? Damn.With what you got, you can say what the amount of characters? 2 or 3? If you still have this test script could share here, this isn't a matter of "need to be playable", this is just a curiosity being tested. Edited March 6, 2016 by Junior_Djjr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Yeah the camera/transistion is mine. And hard to judge how many characters were supposed to appear - most likely two, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeingARK Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Well yeah it will be good if u give a tutorial on how to unable this feature! As this actually looks something made in R* style unlike that multiple protags mod. I mean I don't hate that mod but it doesn't fit SA! Edited March 8, 2016 by ShadowRageEX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Yeah the camera/transistion is mine. And hard to judge how many characters were supposed to appear - most likely two, though. Silent, have you ever Released the Multiple Protagonist Script at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Payne Killer and PhillBellic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillBellic Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Alright, that's your choice. If you decide to change your mind down the track, I'm sure some here will get some use of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cousinroman Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) Technically you can play as three characters. Theres skinny cj who's a busta, there's fat cj who need to driver every where cause big is beautiful and then there is ripped cj who will bust a busta up! Like twins... Sorry off topic, but i use to play around with voice acting and the body feature back when i was younger...how weird. Edited March 19, 2016 by Cousinroman B Dawg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFarbod Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) About three protagonist. Maybe the last one was Tempenny cuz he have two simillarities to Trevor. Dies on the end and noone likes him... Nope, Trevor doesn't die in the end. Edited March 25, 2016 by iFarbod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 About three protagonist. Maybe the last one was Tempenny cuz he have two simillarities to Trevor. Dies on the end and noone likes him... Nope. People like Tenpenny. At least the Players do and not the in-game characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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