Killerdude Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I used to pirate my games until I've opened my eyes more, I mean, everyone here pirated something, and if you say otherwise it's a lie, even if it is a small song or whatever.I will support Rockstar of course by buying only ONE copy and that is for PC, I don't see the reason for more than a copy, unless like you stated, for PS3 and then for PC. But every console gamer is flipping their sh*t as if only PC is pirated. Look at my damn country, 95% of the consoles are pirated. When you compare Console piracy to PC piracy, The console end isn't even remotely close to how bad it is on PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutoDriver Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Out of interest, did anyone see EA's financial report? Just look at all them pirating scum!!! Things look pretty rosey on the computer if you ask me...or EA. Edited July 25, 2013 by FutoDriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 You're forgetting about Middle Eastern countries and alike, there are at least 5 million consoles around here, which of, assuming by what I've seen so far, more than 3.5 million are pirated. So, 3.5mil * $~100 = ~$350.000.000 are lost. It isn't a small amount now, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeaconBosco Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I used to pirate my games until I've opened my eyes more, I mean, everyone here pirated something, and if you say otherwise it's a lie, even if it is a small song or whatever.I will support Rockstar of course by buying only ONE copy and that is for PC, I don't see the reason for more than a copy, unless like you stated, for PS3 and then for PC. But every console gamer is flipping their sh*t as if only PC is pirated. Look at my damn country, 95% of the consoles are pirated. When you compare Console piracy to PC piracy, The console end isn't even remotely close to how bad it is on PC. It's true, Consoles aren't as widely pirated as PCs, and this is coming from someone who did "crack" his Xbox 360, because of two things. 1. The need to implement some hardware manually in the console in order to be able to read ripped games. You don't actually need to do that with PC's 2. The fact that both Sony and Microsoft have a Zero Tolerance policy towards piracy and are known to lock modded consoles from online. Again, no such mesures on PC's. Also Sleepy, with all due respect, the Middle East isn't really considered a Market for consoles because as you said, 97% of them are pirated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Also Sleepy, with all due respect, the Middle East isn't really considered a Market for consoles because as you said, 97% of them are pirated. Thank you. BUT, if companies advertised their games better in these areas and took care of the marketing here, it'd really be of great profit for them. It's due to the high prices that people prefer to pirate, it's due to the sh*tty treatment they get here. I'd gladly purchase a game if it was $30-40, but I won't pay $100 when the avg. salary is $400. It's a no no, there are other priorities in life. Also, if PC piracy was as high as you guys make it out to be, then no developer would develop for PC anymore. But yet they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
or1 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Do you guys think that the only reason Rockstar develops the game first for consoles, is because of the money? I'm not so sure about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staten Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Also, if PC piracy was as high as you guys make it out to be, then no developer would develop for PC anymore. But yet they do? There are paying PC customers, of course, but their numbers aren't as big as the consoles, at least for games like GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Do you guys think that the only reason Rockstar develops the game first fot consoles, is because of the money? I'm not so sure about that Then what other reason would there be? Care to elaborate? @Staten http://techreport.com/news/24575/pc-gaming...-grew-8-in-2012 http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/1059/pc-ga...nt-in-2012.html 8% is a pretty good number if you ask me, and that's only 2012. The PC gaming community is growing more and more. Edited July 25, 2013 by Sleepy187. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I'm sure a freaking petition will change their mind lol... seriously how gullible are these people? If they're planning to have a PC version in the future I'm sure it's all set, they don't need to find 250,000 PC gamer's signatures to persuade them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutoDriver Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 There are paying PC customers, of course, but their numbers aren't as big as the consoles, at least for games like GTA. Where are you looking for numbers though? Please don't tell me VGChartz. Online store like Steam don't release numbers (unfortunate as that is - because it would really help debunk myths) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
or1 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Do you guys think that the only reason Rockstar develops the game first fot consoles, is because of the money? I'm not so sure about that Then what other reason would there be? Care to elaborate? @Staten http://techreport.com/news/24575/pc-gaming...-grew-8-in-2012 http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/1059/pc-ga...nt-in-2012.html 8% is a pretty good number if you ask me, and that's only 2012. The PC gaming community is growing more and more. GTA IV PC sold 9 million copies 10 million on PS3 10 million on XB360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 You're only counting retail sales, not Steam sales too, and if you're counting Steam sales, I'd love a source from Steam themselves with the number of sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
or1 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 ^ ^ ^ it's including STEAM As reported by Rockstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Interesting, a source on that perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutoDriver Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Interesting, a source on that perhaps? I'd like to see that too please. Seems strange both Xbox360 and PS3 have sold exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staten Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 There are paying PC customers, of course, but their numbers aren't as big as the consoles, at least for games like GTA. Where are you looking for numbers though? Please don't tell me VGChartz. Online store like Steam don't release numbers (unfortunate as that is - because it would really help debunk myths) Yeah, this is a problem in these kind of arguments - VGChartz seems to be massively inaccurate in a lot of cases. I was basing my observation on a look at Take-Two financial reports since 2005. As far as I understand these kind of things, the percentage of revenue from PC sales for Take-Two - i.e. 2K and Rockstar - is much less than consoles - at the very best, it's half that of consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1LV3R_W0LF Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Half of what consoles sold? Honestly I doubt it, but even if that is the case I think it's quite good for a full of problems game with over half an year sold as new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
or1 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Interesting, a source on that perhaps? I'd like to see that too please. Seems strange both Xbox360 and PS3 have sold exactly the same. by vg charts pc saled later Edited July 25, 2013 by GTA564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 No no, why PC sales later? I'd love to see it now. Unless, like I said, you're counting retail sales. Steam doesn't release its sales to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
or1 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 No no, why PC sales later? I'd love to see it now. Unless, like I said, you're counting retail sales.Steam doesn't release its sales to the public. This is something I checked two months ago(pc sales) I have to Search the site again where I read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolleroz Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 why does everyone count pirated copies as company's 'lost' money? if there are 1 million of copies pirated it does not mean there is a loss of 1 million * game price. Most of people who pirate sh*t out of every PC games won't just go and buy it if it's impossible to pirate, that being said if there was no piracy I think the profit change would be maybe 20% bigger but nothing much beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 vgchartz isn't reliabale, for your information. Either get the sales number that Rockstar themselves said or don't at all, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staten Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 why does everyone count pirated copies as company's 'lost' money? if there are 1 million of copies pirated it does not mean there is a loss of 1 million * game price. Most of people who pirate sh*t out of every PC games won't just go and buy it if it's impossible to pirate, that being said if there was no piracy I think the profit change would be maybe 20% bigger but nothing much beyond that. By the same token, you can't say that a pirated copy isn't a lost sale. Short of using a time machine and/or mind-reading device to see if each pirate would've bought the game if things had been different, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeeKid2k10 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Who cares about PC Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonesConspiracy Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Who cares about PC Gamers you cared enough to post mate, now gtfo peasant and go play with your oversized paperweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcquiz Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 why does everyone count pirated copies as company's 'lost' money? if there are 1 million of copies pirated it does not mean there is a loss of 1 million * game price. Most of people who pirate sh*t out of every PC games won't just go and buy it if it's impossible to pirate, that being said if there was no piracy I think the profit change would be maybe 20% bigger but nothing much beyond that. Because they want to appear as victims. Lost revenue argument is for the most part bullsh*t. I pirated IV and EFLC once. And guess what, I bought both IV and EFLC twice. I would buy just as few games if piracy didn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigabomber Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Don't really understand why the petition exists. It's not like they are staunchly against making a PC version. Maybe you folks can get them to release info about it a little sooner? is that the idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfromeast1 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Who cares about PC Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeemuel_29 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 If someone can afford an ISP that's fast enough to pirate a game that is big as GTA V, I'm sure they can afford a $70 game. Now shut the f*ck up and stop accusing every PC gamer a pirate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelhere9901 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 ^ ^ ^it's including STEAM As reported by Rockstar Digital sales are never revealed to the public. Otherwise, like Sleepy said, I'd like to see a source backing up your claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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