Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Creed Bratton]

Winter Soldier Press Conference if anyone is interested

 

 

[darthYENIK]

Some Age of Ultron concept art from the "Assembling a Universe" special...


Quicksilver


Scarlet Witch

Hulk vs Hulk Buster Iron Man

Edit: more concept art... http://imgur.com/a/e5Kr7?desktop=1

Edited March 25, 2014 by darthYENIK

[IDredMan]

Also, they lied.

The special didn't hint at the upcoming stuff in AOS. Except for ..Deathlok's extremely un-Deathlok-y design.

 

I can think of 4 reasons they're going with this design.

- They're taking advantage of the fact that like ..5 people know Deathlok, so they decided to skimp away.

- They're planning to have all his burns torn off and replaced with mechanical parts.

- They simply want him to look like that.

- They don't want him to look like his more well-known DC counterpart, Cyborg. They've done it before with other Characters (Such as Jarvis, from fear of people thinking he's an Alfred ripoff).

[mailrocket]

I was so surprised with what they had done to the design of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
SUCK IT FOX!
Now if only there was the concept art of Ultron, Vision, and Cap's new suit in AOU.

[IDredMan]

Yeah Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch look so f*cking bad in Days Of Future Past.

[darthYENIK]

I was so surprised with what they had done to the design of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

SUCK IT FOX!

Now if only there was the concept art of Ultron, Vision, and Cap's new suit in AOU.

They showed something that looked like Ultron's head. It looks like what you'd expect.

[Zepren]

I like how there's the Hulk Buster in the concept art. That'd be awesome though its slowly helping me see where they might be going with it which I don't like.

 

 

So we know Ultron is Jarvis so presumably he's controlling the Hulk Buster. So maybe, early on in Ultron's take over, Hulk tries to stop him and gets badly beaten (though probably destroying HB in process). They've been setting up the Stark-Banner friendship so to stomp on that should raise the stakes and have the whole "this is all my fault" moment for Tony and giving him the motivation to take off on his own to stop Ultron. Further speculation with Cap' 2 spoilers:

Having seen that Nick Fury possibly "dies" in Cap 2 (In one of the trailers, Cap mentions "Fury's last words"), I imagine he'll go underground instead, like he does in the comics, and maybe help Stark or the other avengers against Ultron and/or Shield? Depends on the state of Shield at the end of Cap' 2, as we know there'll be some serious changes to Shield from the events of the film (If you caught the spoilers making the rounds about Robert Redford's character, if that isn't resolved there, things will be very interesting.

 

 

 

Excuse all the vagueness and speculation. This is just what I can piece together from what's already out there. Only a week till Cap' 2 is out here. Can't wait.

[mailrocket]

I don't want to spoil but...this is one important scene in the movie
Click at your risk:
http://i.imgur.com/6WTgaXU.jpg

[IDredMan]

I like how there's the Hulk Buster in the concept art. That'd be awesome though its slowly helping me see where they might be going with it which I don't like.

 

 

So we know Ultron is Jarvis so presumably he's controlling the Hulk Buster. So maybe, early on in Ultron's take over, Hulk tries to stop him and gets badly beaten (though probably destroying HB in process). They've been setting up the Stark-Banner friendship so to stomp on that should raise the stakes and have the whole "this is all my fault" moment for Tony and giving him the motivation to take off on his own to stop Ultron. Further speculation with Cap' 2 spoilers:

Having seen that Nick Fury possibly "dies" in Cap 2 (In one of the trailers, Cap mentions "Fury's last words"), I imagine he'll go underground instead, like he does in the comics, and maybe help Stark or the other avengers against Ultron and/or Shield? Depends on the state of Shield at the end of Cap' 2, as we know there'll be some serious changes to Shield from the events of the film (If you caught the spoilers making the rounds about Robert Redford's character, if that isn't resolved there, things will be very interesting.

 

 

 

Excuse all the vagueness and speculation. This is just what I can piece together from what's already out there. Only a week till Cap' 2 is out here. Can't wait.

 

I don't really think we KNOW Ultron is Jarvis. And really, rewatch the trailer with that line ...It's so chopped up. You can tell it's from different lines. And, as big as Marvel Studios has gotten, I don't think they'd kill of Samuel Jackson. And if they did, they'd probably revive him with kree alien goo blood gunk semen thing, which isn't a copout what-so-ever ...(Well, it's better than him having faked it.)

[Zepren]

 

I like how there's the Hulk Buster in the concept art. That'd be awesome though its slowly helping me see where they might be going with it which I don't like.

 

 

So we know Ultron is Jarvis so presumably he's controlling the Hulk Buster. So maybe, early on in Ultron's take over, Hulk tries to stop him and gets badly beaten (though probably destroying HB in process). They've been setting up the Stark-Banner friendship so to stomp on that should raise the stakes and have the whole "this is all my fault" moment for Tony and giving him the motivation to take off on his own to stop Ultron. Further speculation with Cap' 2 spoilers:

Having seen that Nick Fury possibly "dies" in Cap 2 (In one of the trailers, Cap mentions "Fury's last words"), I imagine he'll go underground instead, like he does in the comics, and maybe help Stark or the other avengers against Ultron and/or Shield? Depends on the state of Shield at the end of Cap' 2, as we know there'll be some serious changes to Shield from the events of the film (If you caught the spoilers making the rounds about Robert Redford's character, if that isn't resolved there, things will be very interesting.

 

 

 

Excuse all the vagueness and speculation. This is just what I can piece together from what's already out there. Only a week till Cap' 2 is out here. Can't wait.

 

I don't really think we KNOW Ultron is Jarvis. And really, rewatch the trailer with that line ...It's so chopped up. You can tell it's from different lines. And, as big as Marvel Studios has gotten, I don't think they'd kill of Samuel Jackson. And if they did, they'd probably revive him with kree alien goo blood gunk semen thing, which isn't a copout what-so-ever ...(Well, it's better than him having faked it.)

 

Well we almost know. Iron Man creates Ultron in this universe and Ultron is an A.I. like Jarvis. Ultron = Jarvis is a jump but not a big one really. Also it explains Hulk v Hulk Buster as we know Banner has nigh perfect control of his change into the Hulk.

 

I think he will "die" but it'll be an LMD (like in the comics, as i said. I know he can't die-die as he's still got a bunch of movies on his contract. )

[darthYENIK]

I forgot to add this. It's what looks like a model of the Hulkbuster armor's glove (or hand or whatever it would be called), used by the VFX team to get the lighting and color correct, presumably...

 

[Creed Bratton]

So, everyone who's seen the movie (movie journalists mostly) is saying that The Winter Soldier is the best MCU movie yet. I can't wait.

Edited March 20, 2014 by The Yokel

[darthYENIK]

I hope it's not overhyped, but seriously, I can believe that from what I've seen.

 

EDIT: New set photo...

 

 

EDIT: Here are some higher quality images of Elizabeth Olsen (as Scarlet Witch), Aaron Taylor-Johnson (as Quicksilver), and Ultron. Don't worry, I'm sure they are just using that as a model, and Ultron will be 100% computer generated... (Spoilers for what Ultron will look like): http://imgur.com/a/F7oeJ

 

If you don't wan the general idea of what Ultron looks like, don't look at this spoiler...

 

 

Ultron

 

 

Quicksilver

 

Scarlet Witch

Edited March 25, 2014 by darthYENIK

[Zepren]

Well, for those who don't know; Captain America The Winter Soldier just dropped in the UK. I aint gonna spoil sh*t but I will say; go see it. It definitely shakes up the future of the marvel cinematic universe.

[IDredMan]

Ultron's mouth needs to shed a little more "I'm gonna lose an arm if I stick it in there" mentality, and less "Robotic old man".

Although, it might just be the live action skeleton for the CGI model, like the Hulk, and we'll actually get the awesome Ultron.

[mailrocket]

Nick Fury will ONLY have a cameo in Age of Ultron.
And before you people will say "I don't think Nick Fury won't have a cameo, since it's an Avengers movie". You need to see the Winter Soldier movie first to know why.
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/nick-fury-s-role-in-avengers-2-is-just-a-cameo-125259597.html

[IDredMan]

For those who want a bigger and clearer version of Ultron:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here is sad/down syndrome Ultron! Already my favorite scene in the movie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, some of these pictures put my mind at ease.

Ultron's look has drastically changed throughout the years, but the only consistent thing, his trademark... His glowing red(Sometimes blue) eyes and mouth.

I was worried that they were getting rid of that, and he just looked like an old dude.

But now that we have clearer and closer pictures, we can see the thing has skin holes, so we know there's gonna be CGI over the helmet, and it's generally designed to look like the classic Ultron, and the one that was shown in the Teaser.

Edited March 27, 2014 by IDredMan

[Brobinski]

I saw The Winter Soldier yesterday, and while I enjoyed it, it did all just feel a bit flat.

 

I can't really find too many faults with the film specifically; it all flowed pretty well, it looked fantastic and it had the typical humour/seriousness balance that the MCU movies have going for them. One technical thing I wasn't too fussed on was the camerawork during the fight scenes. Maybe it was just that I'm coming off the back of seeing The Raid recently, with its brilliantly clear mid shots and minimal cuts, but in TWS you couldn't make out what was really going on at all, especially in the opening action sequence. It's just too many cuts and too much shaky camera. The clarity might have improved as the film went on or maybe I got used to it, but it was really noticeable in that first action sequence but became less of a problem as it went on.

 

I think my main problem is that I knew I wasn't going to love it going in. Captain America, the core character, is the problem. He's just too good in the moralistic sense of the word. "Oh no, [plot development] happened! What will Cap do next?" The answer is always "the right thing, whether it's easy or not". Always. I kind of appreciate the idea that the modern world has a different sense of what that is compared to what it used to mean to Cap, the whole

fighting against the authority that he's been serving with since being defrosted I like. It kind of alludes to the idea of being a whistle-blower against authority can be the right thing in the 21st century.

 

 

It's the same sort of problem I have with Superman. In the way that Superman will always pull some new power out of his ass to beat the bad guy, Captain America will always win the moral battle. Now, many will say that all heroes in fiction are like that, but the difference comes in the world they exist in. An unbending, upstanding moral pillar like Captain America is just plain boring when being right always means he wins in the end. For example in Game of Thrones (season 1 spoilers):

 

Ned Stark is such a great character because he always does the righteous thing regardless of how hard it is, and it costs him his goddamn head. He's an engaging character to follow in the story up until that point, but after that he retrospectively improves everything that went before.

 

 

It's easy to do the right thing when it always results in you winning.

 

On the other hand, I did really enjoy the whole buddy-cop vibes you get from the Rogers/Romanov pairing throughout the movie. I knew Johansson was in it again and I was expecting something more along the lines of Iron Man 2 where she had a function in the story but it was obvious the real reason for her being there was to make sure you don't forget. She's second on the bill here and it's accurate. It's all quite clichéd: the side kick character who's more morally questionable and functions as the comic relief, but it's a cliché because it works pretty well. In theory I'd love to see a Black Widow movie with this character, but in reality I doubt it'd work without her bouncing off someone else. The "Shall we play a game?" line was really formulaic and cheesy but hands down my favourite of the film. That said I will admit my judgement on Johansson is somewhat clouded because after Lost In Translation I'll probably never say a word against her.

 

I'm also a big fan of where the universe went with the movie.

 

I've never been a fan of the idea of SHIELD really, so I'm glad it's gone (we'll see how long that lasts though). I've just never sat well with the idea of this big global, super advanced world police force that has eyes everywhere and can seemingly do everything. If things go how I'd like, it's setting up for the next Avengers to be more of a rag-tag dirty dozen type deal rather than some unilateral global effort. Those are always more fun.

 

Edited March 31, 2014 by Brobinski

[mailrocket]

Words....words everywhere.....
Anyway, I'm so excited for Cap's new suit in Avengers 2 because the suit combines all the aspects of the last three

 

 

 

[DJ Arrt]

You know what'd be dope?

 

In one of the movies, if Nick Fury has a cameo, they show how (Samuel Jackson) is actually Nick Fury Jr. in the comic, and introduce the original Nick Fury Sr. as some badass old dude, like David Hasslehoff.

[darthYENIK]

Just go back from the theater.

 

It was good. Is it like the critic blurbs that say it's "Better than the Avengers"? I don't think it is. It's better than the first Cap movie, and better than most of the other MCU movies. I'd probably put it third behind the Avengers and Iron Man 1.

 

I thought Robert Redford was absolutely sh*tty. It definitely looked like he was mailing in 90% of his lines. My guess is that he intimidated the director, who wrapped one take shots out of fear. He just didn't have any gravitas that a character like that should have, like we know Robert Redford could deliver.

 

Now for some juicy parts...

 

 

I had close to a semi when Agent Sitwell said the name, "Steven Strange". I don't know if anyone else in the theater caught it, but I was smiling from ear to ear for a good minute after that. It was cool to see "Crossbones". I was kind of disappointed that Georges St. Pierre didn't have Batroc's signature 'stache. Sitwell is a double agent, I always thought he was a dick. Gary Shandling's character from Iron Man 2 returns, and is a Hydra puppet. Little Prick.

 

And I was shocked that they decided that Peggy Carter would be still alive. With a touching scene where Cap visits an elderly Peggy who speaks of how much he affected her life even when she thought he was dead, and how she was sad that although she lived a full life, he didn't get to. Her memory then lapses, and it shows that she now has dementia, saying something to the tune of, "You're back. I always knew you would return." At this point, I was happy they didn't have her die in his arms, because I would have lost it.

 

The first stinger got me a similar feeling, but to a lesser extent that I got from the Dr. Strange shout out. It has a Hydra bunker full with what you'd expect, computers and people buzzing around. Then we pan over to see a bald character wearing a monocle. This is Baron Strucker. I don't know much about him, other than he's a Hydra stooge. He then talks about having weapons that SHIELD doesn't know about, where it's revealed that they have Loki's staff from the Avengers. Then he goes on, and says something like, "We also have "the Twins"." Which cues a shot of Wanda and Pietro Maximoff in two glass cells. Scarlet Witch is telekinetically levitating some blocks, while Quicksilver is buzzing around his cell with super speed. Which was weird after seeing the other Quicksilver in the trailer for Days of Future Past just before the movie.

 

Now the second stinger, after all the credits are done. I'm now sensing a pattern with these stingers being less teasery for the next movies, and there more for referencing the movie it's attached to, such as the "Shwarma scene", and Thor's reunion with Jane. In TWS this shows the Smithsonian, which we see earlier in the movie has an exhibit dedicated to Captain America's service during WWII. There is a section featuring Bucky. This is where we find Sgt. Barnes, after his fight with Cap, probably learning as much as he can about the man he used to be.

 

 

@Brobinski, About Cap's character, and morality. That's the character. That's how the character always has been. That's how the character always should be. His morality is his real superpower. It's said so much in this series, during the First Avenger when he is chosen for the super soldier program because of his morality. Otherwise you get Ultimate Captain America who is kind of unlikable, except when he kicks the sh*t out of "Giant Man" (AKA Antman, AKA Henry Pym), for beating his wife Janet Pym (AKA Wasp).

[Dnero]

Now the second stinger, after all the credits are done. I'm now sensing a pattern with these stingers being less teasery for the next movies, and there more for referencing the movie it's attached to, such as the "Shwarma scene", and Thor's reunion with Jane. In TWS this shows the Smithsonian, which we see earlier in the movie has an exhibit dedicated to Captain America's service during WWII. There is a section featuring Bucky. This is where we find Sgt. Barnes, after his fight with Cap, probably learning as much as he can about the man he used to be.

 

 

Ah, thanks for that dude. Didn't get to sit through the whole credits for this, only saw the bunker scene.

[darthYENIK]

Another thing. Where the f*ck is Hawkeye?

 

You'd think Widow would contact him in a pinch.

[mailrocket]

Hawkeye's disappearance in the film will most likely be answered in Age of Ultron considering that he has a major role in the sequel.

[darthYENIK]

Hawkeye's disappearance in the film will most likely be answered in Age of Ultron considering that he has a major role in the sequel.

That's not good enough. I know it's weird to point out the lack of a character never intended to be in a certain movie, but in this case it would seem appropriate. Widow and Hawkeye are close. Not quite friends, not quite romantic, but definitely partners. Brother and sister in arms. If there is any one person in the world that she trusts, it's him. And it's no secret. Cap has to be wondering why she's not calling Barton. I would have been satisfied if this exchange happened in the hospital after the gum scene:

 

Captain America: "Who can we trust? What about Barton?"

 

Black Widow: "He's in deep cover." Or "He's out of country."

 

That's it. Just something to show us Hawguy fans that he's still around. They give more of an acknowledgement to Dr. Strange than they do to Hawkeye. The only hint of Hawkeye that we see is a tiny pendant on a necklace that Widow is wearing at one time. In other words, the lack of Hawkeye stands out more to me than a little shout out.

 

EDIT: Here's an article about the arrow pendant from a couple months ago... http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/02/sorry-ladies-black-widow-is-taken-this-pic-from-the-winter-solider-tells-all

 

And looking at it, it makes that lack of Hawkeye, even more of a deal, because it's obvious that they have a relationship that means more than just work friends. Hawkeye, better f*cking be in the Black Widow movie. Or better yet, have a movie of his own. Like I've said before in this topic, his comic is really good, and a big screen adaptation of that would be phenomenal. I was in the Winter Soldier, and all the while I couldn't help but think one thing. "Where's Hawkeye? I guess he's just hanging out in Brooklyn kicking the Tracksuit Mafia's ass, and having a rooftop barbecue with Lucky (The dog in my avatar), and Kate (AKA the other Hawkeye on the Young Avengers).

Edited April 6, 2014 by darthYENIK

[IDredMan]

I don't want any spoilers ...Like at all. I'm barely gazing over any single word in this thread now.

But to be honest...

The fact that people are saying that Captain America 2 changes everything.

And with the Kree being on Agents of Shield.

And the dozens upon dozens of advertisement, parading a panorama of main characters, with a sign/text discouraging trust.

 

It reeks of Secret Invasion.

[darthYENIK]

I don't want any spoilers ...Like at all. I'm barely gazing over any single word in this thread now.

But to be honest...

The fact that people are saying that Captain America 2 changes everything.

And with the Kree being on Agents of Shield.

And the dozens upon dozens of advertisement, parading a panorama of main characters, with a sign/text discouraging trust.

 

It reeks of Secret Invasion.

TWS definitely has a similar thing going on, but it's not that.

 

Although, I can see that happening in phase 3.

[IDredMan]

 

I don't want any spoilers ...Like at all. I'm barely gazing over any single word in this thread now.

But to be honest...

The fact that people are saying that Captain America 2 changes everything.

And with the Kree being on Agents of Shield.

And the dozens upon dozens of advertisement, parading a panorama of main characters, with a sign/text discouraging trust.

 

It reeks of Secret Invasion.

TWS definitely has a similar thing going on, but it's not that.

 

Although, I can see that happening in phase 3.

 

 

Thanks for ..Either hyping me up for something unexpected OR not spoiling something I guessed.

I'm gonna see if I can watch it soon, maybe next week.

[darthYENIK]

It's really not telling you anything, other than that there is not an alien invasion of any kind in TWS.

 

And me saying that I can see it happening in phase 3 has nothing really to do with anything going on in TWS. It has more to do with GotG coming out in this phase and my belief that Avengers 3 will have a lot to do with space and that side of the Marvel universe.

[IDredMan]

 

 

#Conspiracy

Edited April 7, 2014 by IDredMan