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DC Cinematic Universe (Batman, Supes, Aquaman, and more)

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Jason

Aquaman's p good. The plot is very predictable but some great action sequences throughout the film, Momoa's great.

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MisFit-138

I liked Aquaman for the most part, but it was kind of cheesy at the same time. A lot of it looks cheap too, not so much the cgi as some of the atlantian soldier costumes look like loose fitting plastic. It had a television look on land. Some bad music and repeated slow-mo character establishing shots, like consecutively. It was like they had 2 really cool shots that introduce a character, but couldnt decide which to use so threw them both in. I know that's pretty nit-picky, but there is no suspense in that second shot, especially after he easily dispatched the first guy who entered. 

    I want to love it, but some of it is just too cheesy. I dont generally like anything to be cheesy beyond food. Why do people insist superhero movies be cheesy? Comics matured a like 40 years ago. People keep saying "looks like they're going in the right direction" what, towards Joel Schumacher and Richard Lester again? No thanks, I'll take another Nolan or Snyder joint please. Guess I might have to stick to comics...

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Zello

 

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Jason

Oh they're actually pushing along with that are they?

 

Funny that their two most successful films have been true to the comics (Wonder Woman and especially Aquaman, with it's 100% faithful costumes and the like) where as this, like Suicide Squad, looks to be continuing in the DCCU trend of butchering it's classic characters.

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DexMacLeod

I don't get what the point of releasing that was. The only people who can possibly benefit from 20 seconds of wardrobe testing footage are the youtubers who'll somehow generate ten minute "Birds of Prey Teaser Explained!!!" videos.

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Nihilist.

You know, it's quite impressive. Birds of Prey may be the first DCEU movies I hate everything about. Literally. Not one good thing I can say about this teaser, aside from lack of Batgirl - for once I'm glad she's not here, that she wan't dragged into this trainwreck.

 

Harley still has these idiotic face tattoos, so that's an instant red light. Black Mask is horrendous and doesn't have a black mask, but Black Canary is black and looks like a DC Bombshells cosplayer, Montoya is a drunk, Cass Cain looks like a typical Disney Channel tomboy, Zsasz like an ex teenage popstar who now desperately tries to prove to the world he's adult by sniffing coke and making amateur triple X videos at home, and Huntress looks like a generic clone of Punisher. This is absolutely terrible, and you know what's the sad part? Aquaman was super comic accurate - it took the source material and faithfully adapted it. This Hot Topic garbage is doing the exact opposite, and proves that WB doesn't want to change the DCEU, improve it, make it more accurate and less divisive.

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DexMacLeod

Meh, the only thing about this movie that bugs me so far is the idea that Cassandra Cain needs to be protected at all, let alone by a bunch of C-List heroes.

 

I couldn't care less if they don't wear my favorite version of their comics costumes so long as they do justice to the actual characters' personalities and stories. So far I'm cautiously optimistic that they're on the right path here.

 

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Zello

They're gonna screw this up.

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Zello

Batfleck is out officially. The Batman solo movie is gonna have someone else play Batman.

 

 

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Jimmy
12 minutes ago, Zello said:

Batfleck is out officially. The Batman solo movie is gonna gave someone else play Batman.

 

 

Rumour has it that Nick Jonas is trying to bag that role for a younger version of the Batman in the solo movie/reboot.

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Zello

 

That's the end of that.

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DexMacLeod

So according to THR, Idris Elba is replacing Will Smith as Deadshot in the Suicide Squad sequel.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/idris-elba-replacing-will-smith-suicide-squad-sequel-1191349

 

I'm never a very big fan of recasting a role but I guess if they really need to they could do a lot worse than Idris Elba. Just not sure why they really need to. Sure, Will Smith isn't available, but the beauty of a franchise like Suicide Squad is how easy it is to change up the cast of characters.

 

I'd love to see a mostly new team with Deathstroke as the new unofficial leader with only Boomerang returning, thinking and acting like he's the leader because he's got "seniority".

 

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Zello
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They should have picked a different role for Idris Elba. I could see him as Black Spider but Black spider ain't that popular for a mainstream audience.

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Nihilist.

He'd be perfect John Stewart, just saying. Or maybe Bronze Tiger. Other than that, I really don't care - Deadshot's arc seems pretty much complete - what else can they do with the character? Tattoo his face and make him a walking ad for Hot Topic?

Either way, I expect extensive damage control when Birds of Prey bombs. It's inevitable, this movie is going to really poison the well.

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DexMacLeod
17 hours ago, Zello said:

They should have picked a different role for Idris Elba. I could see him as Black Spider but Black spider ain't that popular for a mainstream audience.

That actually sounds perfect. I think stepping away from the more mainstream characters has been working out for them and it's pretty smart that they seem to be sticking to that. 

 

7 hours ago, Nihilist. said:

Either way, I expect extensive damage control when Birds of Prey bombs. It's inevitable, this movie is going to really poison the well.

I think it'll do pretty well. It's supposedly gotta "much smaller budget" than the rest of the DC movies and Harley Quinn is still quite popular.

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Nihilist.

That's an optimistic prediction. Sure, I agree - financially it may do pretty well, since it won't need much to break even. But critically, and that's what DCEU struggles with strongly, and has been since the very beginning, the movie is already a fiasco, I'm afraid. Look how much negativity it attracts, and how many people openly admit they have nothing to do with it because of its questionable "artistic" style. It's called ghetto, white trash, blackwashed, Hot Topic, emo, hooker, inferior to CW, etc. by people who clearly belong to the general comic movie audience, since we don't see normies being interested in all these leaks, on-set photos and so on. And if the core audience is not interested, then we see a clear signal something's wrong.

 

Same is happening with Captain Marvel right now - it started out with Brie Larson's dumb quote which triggered some people, and then it gained more and more momentum to the point it made Rotten Tomatoes finally expose themselves as a corporate entity they are, by removing an option to mark whether or not a user wants to see a movie. Corporate censorship 101. The well is poisoned - Brie Larson is ridiculed and mocked, people generate even more negativity regarding her movie, and it is, as we speak, divisive. Just like BvS was with Luthor and never ending Martha jokes (which got old after 2 days, and from there on it was beating a dead horse), just like Suicide Squad and emo Joker, face tattooed Harley or dancing Enchantress, Justice League with MCUesque cringeworthy jokes, awful villain etc. On this field, Birds of Prey is already gone - this spiral of negativity, mockery, hatred and ridicule will only get bigger, the more people are exposed to it.

 

Also, what is worth mentioning, I think, is the fact Harley is very, very popular among young girls. I can't think of any other comic character who reaches this audience - that's super rare in this medium. If the movie is, indeed, R rated, then naturally it'll heavily impact its ticket sales and alienate the main character's core fanbase. Especially when long time Harley fans who remember her Dini/Timm days, rarely like what latter writers did to her (especially Palmiotti and Conner's long running fan fiction trash which spiritually continues to this day) - naturally not including Sean Murphys Batman White Knight, which did her real justice.

So who is this movie for, exactly? Not comic fans, not old Harley fans, not current Harley adolescent fangirls either...

 

There's going to be so much hate around it when it comes out, it's not even funny. Okay, maybe a little - after all, I do want to see DCEU improving and ditching these idiotic face tattoos and failed character reinventions. Hopefully Flashpoint movie, or whatever features time travel, erases this abomination from the canon completely, or at least redesigns it from scratch.

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DexMacLeod
49 minutes ago, Nihilist. said:

That's an optimistic prediction. Sure, I agree - financially it may do pretty well, since it won't need much to break even. But critically, and that's what DCEU struggles with strongly, and has been since the very beginning, the movie is already a fiasco, I'm afraid. Look how much negativity it attracts, and how many people openly admit they have nothing to do with it because of its questionable "artistic" style. It's called ghetto, white trash, blackwashed, Hot Topic, emo, hooker, inferior to CW, etc. by people who clearly belong to the general comic movie audience, since we don't see normies being interested in all these leaks, on-set photos and so on. And if the core audience is not interested, then we see a clear signal something's wrong.

Meh, I've never been one to put enough stock into comment section and message board talk to use them as a gauge for how the general public is going to respond to a movie. Especially when it comes to movies we know very, very little about. These are the same places that were up in arms about Affleck being Batman and Gal Gadot being Wonder Woman until the movie came out and those were suddenly "everyone's" two favorite characters in Batman V Superman.

 

Official critics aren't much better. Cover a movie in humor and/or a vague and timely message and they'll pretty much ignore the rest.

 

50 minutes ago, Nihilist. said:

Same is happening with Captain Marvel right now - it started out with Brie Larson's dumb quote which triggered some people, and then it gained more and more momentum to the point it made Rotten Tomatoes finally expose themselves as a corporate entity they are, by removing an option to mark whether or not a user wants to see a movie. Corporate censorship 101. The well is poisoned - Brie Larson is ridiculed and mocked, people generate even more negativity regarding her movie, and it is, as we speak, divisive. Just like BvS was with Luthor and never ending Martha jokes (which got old after 2 days, and from there on it was beating a dead horse), just like Suicide Squad and emo Joker, face tattooed Harley or dancing Enchantress, Justice League with MCUesque cringeworthy jokes, awful villain etc. On this field, Birds of Prey is already gone - this spiral of negativity, mockery, hatred and ridicule will only get bigger, the more people are exposed to it.

Rotten Tomatoes had a system that didn't make any sense and people abused it. They removed the ability for fans to review a movie they haven't seen yet. Now that the reviews from people who have seen the movie are in, they're mostly positive and the movie is almost guaranteed to be both a critical and commercial success. 

 

 

54 minutes ago, Nihilist. said:

Also, what is worth mentioning, I think, is the fact Harley is very, very popular among young girls. I can't think of any other comic character who reaches this audience - that's super rare in this medium. If the movie is, indeed, R rated, then naturally it'll heavily impact its ticket sales and alienate the main character's core fanbase. Especially when long time Harley fans who remember her Dini/Timm days, rarely like what latter writers did to her (especially Palmiotti and Conner's long running fan fiction trash which spiritually continues to this day) - naturally not including Sean Murphys Batman White Knight, which did her real justice.

So who is this movie for, exactly? Not comic fans, not old Harley fans, not current Harley adolescent fangirls either...

Sure, a lot of fans of the original, "domestic abuse as humor" version of Harley may complain about what she's become but her books are incredibly popular and huge sellers. Clearly the people who like her outnumber the ones who don't and her fanbase stretches way beyond just little girls. Harley is just plain popular, especially Morgot Robbie's version of her.

 

I'm not saying the movie's gonna be great or a critical success but I think it's far too early to say. Sure, a lot of people are complaining about it now but most of those people are fans of the source material and comic book fans make up a very small portion of the general movie going population. Hell, most of the people who are going to go see this won't even know it exists until trailers for it start appearing in front of other movies

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Rotten Tomatoes had a system that didn't make any sense and people abused it. They removed the ability for fans to review a movie they haven't seen yet. Now that the reviews from people who have seen the movie are in, they're mostly positive and the movie is almost guaranteed to be both a critical and commercial success. 

If we were talking strictly about reviews, I'd wholeheartedly agree with you on this one. But we're talking about "do/do not want to see" option. It's not a review, and it's by no means an indicator of anything but a subjective interest in a movie or lack of thereof. Was it abused? That's one way to call what happened. I'd personally say the movie fell victim to Larson's stupidity* and then typical reactionary triggered crowd jumped the hatewagon. Still, though, they have all the right to be upset and click "I don't want to see it" button, and their decision shouldn't be called trolling, like Rotten Tomatoes did refer to it as. Bottomline - reactionary or not, silencing people's "inconvenient" opinions is never an answer, and there's no denyin Rotten Tomatoes is doing corporate damage control. Same happened with Netflix, and same happens with Epic Store as well, I believe - only positivity is allowed.

 

Now, Captain Marvel may end up with positive reviews, and earn a lot of money, but what I was saying from the very beginning, it's already a critical disaster and many people hate it. It happened to The Last Jedi - even though it earned tons of money, it' ridiculed and despised to this very day. Ghostbusters from 2016 - same, with mixed to positive reviews, but open hate surrounding it. Batman v Superman - 900 million, yet still loathed.

Once the hate starts, there's no way to stop it, and movie's reputation will be gone in seconds even if it manages to earn a decent amount of cash. Captain Marvel may be financially successful - after all, it's a part of the MCU, which is pretty much the McDonald's of cinema. But then again, it's already surrounded by negativity, and so is Birds of Prey - and this trent, inevitably, will only increase.

 

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Sure, a lot of fans of the original, "domestic abuse as humor" version of Harley may complain about what she's become but her books are incredibly popular and huge sellers. Clearly the people who like her outnumber the ones who don't and her fanbase stretches way beyond just little girls. Harley is just plain popular, especially Morgot Robbie's version of her.

That's a rather inaccurate oversimplification of Dini/Timm Harley, but let's not dig into this, because it's a subject for another long discussion. Her books aren't incredibly popular, though. She oscilates around 25-30k sales per issue, which makes her a consistent seller, but she by no means breaks the charts. But then again - comic sales are very reactionary, and only big events (Doomsday Clock, Dark Nights Metal, etc.) and fresh new big series/reboots get numbers around 100k or more. Also, what's important, comic sales are not really accurate - they show how many issues sellers bought form publishers, but it's unknown how many of them actually were bought later on by customers. I'll give Harley comics a reasonable credit of trust, since their sales are consistent, so it's doubtful sellers overstock her titles month after month. So, 25-30k - not bad, but not outstanding either.

 

As for her fanbase, I agree, absolutely - her fanbase is vast, but as I said before, young girls are extremely difficult to reach by comics, and I really can't think of any other character that appeals to this group. Thus, making an R rated movie cutting out an important part of the fanbase doesn't seem like a good idea. Then again, Birds of Prey without Batgirl, turning Black Canary into a token regressive feminist, and not removing Harley's idiotic face tattoos were already anything but good ideas.

 

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I'm not saying the movie's gonna be great or a critical success but I think it's far too early to say. Sure, a lot of people are complaining about it now but most of those people are fans of the source material and comic book fans make up a very small portion of the general movie going population. Hell, most of the people who are going to go see this won't even know it exists until trailers for it start appearing in front of other movies

You are correct here. But never underestimate power of dedicated minorities. As I said earlier mentioning The Last Jedi or Ghostbusters, they can dictate how the movie will be perceived. Negativity spreads very quickly, and WB should have learned that lesson long time ago. Look at Aquaman - its story was terribly predictable and super cliche, and it received positive-leaning reviews, but it was praised by fans, because it delivered them what they wanted - a faithful and visually stunning adaptation. Shazam is setting itself to be another success among fans - I haven't seen any negative rants or open concerns regarding it, aside from early opinions about his costume (which in all fairness, is comic accurate).

 

* - I personally don't care what her beliefs are. "Stupidity" refers exclusively to the reckless way she was speaking, not what possible message could have been hidden behind it. There is a chance she's indeed a regressive faux feminist, but also there's a high chance she just couldn't articulate her thoughts properly and her egalitarian intentions were painted by her as discriminatory sexist speech, which resulted in this entire mess. Either intentional or not - it was pretty stupid of her to speak this way, knowing perfectly her celebrity status.

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Dbzk1999

First, I honestly think the “divisiveness” against Captain Marvel has been overblown to the nth degree. Just doubt that the GA genuinely cares about that stuff and just care about whether or not he movie looks good (which, by all metrics I’ve seen, the majority of the audience does)

 

Second, can’t really say that I’m all that hype for BoP, idk, just something bout it doesn’t really stick out imo 

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darthYENIK

I’m just not a fan of giving Joker a concrete backstory.  He’s a living cartoon.  He just exists.  He didn’t begin, and he won’t end.

 

I’ll still go in hoping for a good movie.  I like all involved, and will treat this like a elseworld story.  Disconnect from any preconceived ideas for the character.

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I scoffed at the idea of a standalone Joker film without the Batman but honestly I thought the trailer looked great. Feel like I'ma have to go into it forgetting that Batman exists to get the most out of it, even though that is obviously a very young Bruce in the trailer. But yea, I get the impression that Phoenix is gonna do something special with the role so I'm now kinda really hyped to see it.

 

That said I do agree with darth that the Joker not having an definitive origin story is an essential part of his character, maybe they'll play a bit on that here, maybe not. The classic "if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice" line being a classic part of what makes the Joker the Joker.

 

The Elseworld films have so much potential IMO, there's a place for standalone what-if type films based on classic superhero/villain characters.

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assassin1510

DC Universe < Marvel Universe

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Syrens

Considering what Disney has done, it's sorta nice knowing WB are almost just ignoring the connected universe.  Just doing their own thing with numerous varients of the same characters isn't the worst thing really.

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Zello

Robert Pattinson is Batman 

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On 5/18/2019 at 11:45 PM, Zello said:

Robert Pattinson is Batman 

Not yet confirmed though but he seems to be the front-runner. Not sure how I feel about him. It could work and it could go sideways but considering how much DC/WB have messed up already, I really don't think they could do any worse. Best case scenario, it turns out to be a pretty forgettable film and we actually forget it... like B&R. Or at least, we try.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Pattinson give it a go. Would be nice to see him break free from his Twilight fame. He needs to bulk up though.

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HeavyDuke

The new Man of steel movie seems to be about young superman trying to defeat his evil brother lawnmower.

 

 

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Is this The Guy?

If everything worked out as planned today would have been the release date for Justice League 2.

 

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