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DC Cinematic Universe (Batman, Supes, Aquaman, and more)

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Typhus

I still want to see a film noir movie starring The Question. Such a great character, but one that never gets any love.

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MisFit-138

I still want to see a film noir movie starring The Question. Such a great character, but one that never gets any love.

Would love that. Vic Sage though, not Montoya

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MisFit-138

Sounds like they've got the right idea with this Batfleck Trilogy (if it gets there) although I really do hope the rumours I've read regarding the removal of Deathstroke and a rewrite of the script to be true. If they're going with a new trilogy, we could do with having something different; we've had Joker & Two Face enough already, when we've yet to see the likes of Deathstroke.

 

I wish they'd pick some more unique villains for Batman to deal with when he isn't accompanied by the rest of the league (though at the same time, said villains need to be Gotham centric, as to not require the league to step in).

 

Na, the Atlantians (or poseidians) in DC Comics are humans who adapted to the sea after "the great flood" via a scientifically developed serum. So they're basically humans. Aquaman is the son of a human lighthouse keeper and the queen of Atlantis.

It does ponder the question, doesn't it? If the whole world is under threat, why is only a single Atlantian assisting Batman's team when you've essentially got an entire city of superhumans below the ocean surface. It's the same argument as to why Asgardians didn't descend to Earth to help them fight when the Chitauri invaded via Loki.

 

I am curious also to know when Barry gets his powers; presumably it's after the events of Man of Steel, otherwise you could potentially pose the question as to why he wasn't there helping.. Same with Diana come to that (although I suppose in her case, she'd have to actually get there, whereas Barry could have done that ... in a flash).

He could be in a stage of his growth where Atlantis hasn't accepted him or his radical views (humans are ok and dont deserve to die) yet and are actually hoping the humans get destroyed, or at the very least are unwilling to help the humans and will deal with Steppenwolf when they have to. I think why another character didnt show up to help when a Doomsday event happens..idk, seems almost searching too hard to find a problem, imo. I just assumed they weren't near a tv during MoS or BvS, looked at the situation and concluded they couldnt really help, busy fighting their own problems, ect. Fact is, they are irrelevant to tge story being told and you only have around 2 hours to tell these stories, people just showing up can feel pretty forced. Plus, its a deep rabbit hole. If they have to explain why Flash or Aquaman arent there, or if they show up, what about Vandal Savage? He just doesnt exist in DCEU because hes not in justice league? Ra's Al Ghul? Ted Cord? Oliver Queen? He wouldn't want the Earth destroyed, where's he? Gorilla Grodd's just chilling, waiting the inevitable? I personally want to believe there's a detective John Jones walking around hiding in plain sight too, but if he shows up later down the series im not not gonna be upset that he wasnt present and accounted for in all the previous films. Its just not good story telling. Maybe they could have written it differently, in a way that all these characters do show up, but then the casual movie watcher is like "who do f are these guys and why do i care?" Edited by MisFit-138

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Flash525

He could be in a stage of his growth where Atlantis hasn't accepted him or his radical views (humans are ok and dont deserve to die) yet and are actually hoping the humans get destroyed, or at the very least are unwilling to help the humans and will deal with Steppenwolf when they have to. I think why another character didnt show up to help when a Doomsday event happens..idk, seems almost searching too hard to find a problem, imo. I just assumed they weren't near a tv during MoS or BvS, looked at the situation and concluded they couldnt really help, busy fighting their own problems, ect. Fact is, they are irrelevant to tge story being told and you only have around 2 hours to tell these stories, people just showing up can feel pretty forced. Plus, its a deep rabbit hole. If they have to explain why Flash or Aquaman arent there, or if they show up, what about Vandal Savage? He just doesnt exist in DCEU because hes not in justice league? Ra's Al Ghul? Ted Cord? Oliver Queen? He wouldn't want the Earth destroyed, where's he? Gorilla Grodd's just chilling, waiting the inevitable? I personally want to believe there's a detective John Jones walking around hiding in plain sight too, but if he shows up later down the series im not not gonna be upset that he wasnt present and accounted for in all the previous films. Its just not good story telling. Maybe they could have written it differently, in a way that all these characters do show up, but then the casual movie watcher is like "who do f are these guys and why do i care?"

 

It really does depend on the character though, doesn't it? In both MoS & Suicide Squad, the entire planet was under threat. Aquaman may not have been watching the news, but I'd be amazed to think Barry wasn't; that said, his line in Justice League about not being a fighter could explain his absence; what with him not knowing what to do in either circumstance.

 

It a threat was specific to a city (re Doomsday) then I'd be okay with it, because it's not a global pandemic. The events of Suicide Squad were, I guess, kept low-key, so it's possible that Aquaman & Diana simply didn't know about it until nearer the end by which time the squad had dealt with the problem. Both Arthur & Diana should have been aware of Zod though, in addition to other heroes and villains.

 

If Manhunter, Hawkgirl, Black Adam (etc) all exist within the DCEU, why is it that (before Superman) Bruce & Alfred had never once known about anyone with powers? Surely metahumans existed in the past? Black Adam and the Hawks have (seemingly) been around for centuries.

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Leftist Bastard

What? how can you keep Suicide Squad low key?

The whole premise of that movie was stupid. You send actual superheroes to cataclysmic events the squad are meant for smaller happenings. and smaller scale missions.

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Flash525

What? How can you keep Suicide Squad low key?

The whole premise of that movie was stupid. You send actual superheroes to cataclysmic events the squad are meant for smaller happenings. and smaller scale missions.

 

Sorry, that's not quite what I meant. Amanda (and the government) knew something was going on in the subway, and they suspected supernatural, then Amanda sent in the Enchantress who bolted, so she got the rest of the team together and sent them in (they were always her contingency plan). No doubt the events of what happened have become public knowledge now, but at the time, the likes of Bruce, Diana, Barry (etc) wouldn't have known about whilst it was going on - at least not in enough time to act and react.

 

Batman isn't quite a Superhero, and it's unlikely that many (if any) people know the true identity of Barry, Arthur & Diana, even if they did, I doubt they'd be a phone call away. The only hero they seemingly relied on was Superman, but as stated in the opener, he's dead.

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darthYENIK

What? how can you keep Suicide Squad low key?

The whole premise of that movie was stupid. You send actual superheroes to cataclysmic events the squad are meant for smaller happenings. and smaller scale missions.

They gave a pretty decent excuse, which was that Superman was dead. At that point Supes was the only one who fought crime within the law. Batman is a vigilante, Flash is a vigilante, Wonder Woman is in France apparently, Aquaman and Cyborg are not considered because who knows with Cyborg, and Aquaman is not so much a hero as a myth.

 

But, that "okay excuse" doesn't really matter because they threw Suicide Squad out there too early. The great thing about Suicide Squad in the comics, is that it's a group of already established villains. They aren't a group who is introduced in Suicide Squad, they are all arrested and captured by the heroes, and that's when we meet them.

 

Also, the movie made them heroes. Not anti-heroes. They do very little things that make them villains. Deadshot kills a criminal, which is not all bad. It's a loophole. They should've shown him killing a dignitary or someone who 100% doesn't deserve it. And that's how it is with all of them, pretty much. They aren't really bad, just kind of bad.

 

And that's why they needed to hold off on Suicide Squad, until they could introduce each character in the heroes' movies. Where we can see them really be bad guys.

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Journey_95

So WB is honestly planning to campaign for WW getting a oscar nomination, lol. It was a generic but overall entertaining movie, no way it deserves best picture or director.

 

Seems like they will ride the whole "female director and lead" bs pretty hard.

 

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/wonder-woman-oscars-patty-jenkins-gal-gadot-comic-book-1202509132/

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Spectacus

So WB is honestly planning to campaign for WW getting a oscar nomination, lol. It was a generic but overall entertaining movie, no way it deserves best picture or director.

 

Seems like they will ride the whole "female director and lead" bs pretty hard.

 

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/wonder-woman-oscars-patty-jenkins-gal-gadot-comic-book-1202509132/

 

Nah man, they're just overhyping Wonder Woman now. The only reason everyone's all whipped over it because It wasn't as bad as everyone thought.it would be.

 

It was decent, but even then - the third act kinda degraded. It was pretty generic.

 

Still though, I enjoyed it - but an Oscar?

 

Nah.

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UshaB


With the amount of CGI used, I'm pretty sure I played this video-game before.

I'm just hoping its narrative is good enough, and fluid, with some depth.

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darthYENIK

Not gonna be able to see JL until at least Thanksgiving.

 

Im gonna try a total internet blackout from tomorrow until then. I will last two hours tops.

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Zoobz

Yeah, good luck. Unfortunately hearing from early reviews it's an OK film at best.

 

Personally I hope it's not that bad. This is the one film DC can't really afford to flop.

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UshaB

Personally I hope it's not that bad. This is the one film DC can't really afford to flop.

 

True. Based on all the reviews I've read so far I imagine JL is placed somewhere around:

 

WW>>>>>>>>>>MoS>>JL>>>>BvS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SS

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theGTAway

I saw it earlier during the week. It's just guilty of being well meh. It's ok. Superhero fatigue is here form me that's for sure.

 

 

Superman fighting the others was a cool moment and also Carvill's cgi'ed out moustache just distracts you because his mouth just moves really weird let's just say. The cgi is terrible. It's very poorly put together.

 

 

Will it flop? It might. I can't see it making as much as BvS that's for sure. Bad time of year to release such a film. No buzz whatsoever. Cinema was empty and talking to staff not many tickets have been sold.

 

This is like Justice League right? Tragic.

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Zello

Saw it came in with low expectations ended up being meh but I did like Cavill's superman he felt less dark. The main bad guy was terrible

 

Stay and watch the credits there are two post credits scenes the 2nd post credits scene made me scream like a little girl

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darthYENIK

It wasnt bad. It didnt blow my socks off, but it wasnt bad. It was a Justice League movie. Ive never been completely into a Justice League story with the exception of Flashpoint and Forever Evil.

 

Its the best Superman in the DCEU. Thats something. Hes smiling, hes light and cracking Dad jokes. Hes the Superman we all want. Hes doing a lot less brooding, and yelling as he shoots laser vision. They definitely injected a bit of Christopher Reeve into the character. All the characters really, werent bad. Batman wasnt killing people, Wonder Woman is as great as ever, Flash is the comic relief much different than TV Flash, Aquaman showed the world how badass the character can be, and Cyborg said, 'Booya' for all you Teen Titans cartoon fans.

 

 

So they bring out Deathstroke in the after credits scene. Rumor was that he has been axed from the Batman movie, so maybe hes going in JL2. Other things that made me happy and fall under spoilers. A Green Lantern, Boom Tubes, Flash and Supes racing a couple times. the classic scores from Batman (1989) and Superman the movie (1978) are remade to fit in different roles during the movie, and its great. I wish they would have fully went into the Superman theme when he appears in the final battle. I mightve cried.

 

 

I say with confidence that it did its job. It sets up the future of the DCEU, which is something that was sorely needed.

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Typhus

At any point in the movie did Aquaman have his famous jet ski? Back in the old days that was his only power. And he didn't even own the thing, he was paying it off in installments and would constantly worry about it getting repossessed, because then he wouldn't be Aquman anymore, he'd just be "man" and bob on the water like a stray turd.

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darthYENIK

This is interesting. A list compiling what Snyder and Whedon are responsible for in Justice League. Its very spoilery...

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/community-spotlight-dceu-era-ot-crisis-on-infinite-forums.465/page-130#post-1089110

 

 

As you couldve guessed, Whedon pretty much made the movie as humorous as it was, as well as giving Superman the levity and humor he has, what weve all wanted since MoS.

 

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UshaB

Justice League only made $96 million in its first weekend. That's the lowest opening of any DC Films movie yet. Man of Steel made $116 million, Batman v Superman made $166 million, Suicide Squad made $133 million, and Wonder Woman made $103 million.

 

Sooooo fire Kevin Tsujihara and Zack Snyder?

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TheSpectre

Just got back from a showing of Justice League. It didn't blow me away or anything, but I don't feel it deserves its' "Rotten" status. The only real "bad" part of the film was Steppenwolf. Just a very bland villain. I'd put this on par with Man of Steel. Not as good as Wonder Woman, but definitely better than Batman v Superman.

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darthYENIK

Justice League only made $96 million in its first weekend. That's the lowest opening of any DC Films movie yet. Man of Steel made $116 million, Batman v Superman made $166 million, Suicide Squad made $133 million, and Wonder Woman made $103 million.

 

Sooooo fire Kevin Tsujihara and Zack Snyder?

They will blame everything but Zack Snyder. They need to listen to Johns, Affleck, and Whedon. But they already blew off Affleck in terms of writing.

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Leftist Bastard

Batman got completely character assassinated. Whedon might have done this film more than harm than good.

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darthYENIK

I dont agree with you, but thats okay.

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MisFit-138

This movie is the result of internet backlash from a general audience that wont let these characters be anything more than the Superfriends, the most commercialized and most infantalized versions of these characters. They throw intrigue, suspense, and all semblance of reality out window in favor of "more jokes" and "brighter costumes" and it turns Superman into a one dimensional cartoon parody of a superhero, but its ok cause thats what the internet says he's "s'posed to be like". It looks at the laws of physics and reality and says "that's no fun, get out of here!" It's everything we were told the last 2 were supposed to be and as a result we are left with a hollow, generic, mediocre, unbelievably cliche, cartoon parody of a superhero movie that doesnt even try. Its as if they just looked at BvS hater comments, threw up their arms and said "fine, just get that guy who did Avengers and have him bring this down to a transformers movie". You did this internet, you made comic book movies a joke again

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UshaB

Just watched Justice League today. It was alright, nothing special, felt fairly mediocre in a way. I loved the opening scene with Batsy (confirmed to be Whedon's) where it was very animated/Arkham feely. The backflip, the athletic flair, his fluidity in movement was quite beautiful. BUT I disliked the use of comedy in that scene, bantering with the, 'thug" he captured and released free. Also saying Alfred in a voice that could be heard by that man.

 

And how come so many people know Bruce is Batman? Lois Lane with the possibility of those Artic people?! Ehhh, the less people know him the better for that mysticism.

 

The 2 hour cut mandated by WB was quite a noticeable problem, it felt like it didn't have enough time to breathe narratively speaking. There was a dire need for more background on Steppenwolf, he felt like one of Marvel's non-committed big villain's ie Malekith. Some Batsy jokes I feel like should be removed - convo exchange between him and Supes during Steppenwolf battle - and there is a need for more fluency between each scene in my opinion.

 

 

 

So they bring out Deathstroke in the after credits scene. Rumor was that he has been axed from the Batman movie, so maybe he's going in JL2.

 

 

 

To my knowledge, there is a possibility that, "The Raid" Director, Gareth Evans, will be helming the solo, "Deathstroke" film as Gareth randomly put up a picture of Deathstroke's mask and the, "Gods of War" comic. A couple days later Joe released a pic of Deathstroke's mask. Also that, that after credit scene was a hint towards the Legion of Doom.

 

 

You did this internet, you made comic book movies a joke again

 

I thought Zack & WB already did that with the theatrical cut BvS and WB's Suicide Squad? am I riiiiiiiiiiiiiiite?

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MisFit-138

^I would say yes about wb, but happen to like Zack's work on these movies. Flat out, they should have had a plan for a long form story through a series of movies, instead of the constantly reacting and adjusting their universe. I thought MoS was a great start and BvS starts with a great concept, but then they tried to shoehorn Lex, Doomsday, Wonder Woman, death of Superman, and Justice League cameos. It needed more room, but they cut it up and added jokes. Same with everything but WW, which was pretty formulaic and safe. They burned through alot of good material and ended up with a generic, run of the mill movie in the end.

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Leftist Bastard

Zack is 100% part of the problem. Man of Steel was a good start even if flawed and BvS was a disaster. Grim and grit and superheroes work when your material deserves the indulgence and seriousness and Snyder's absolutely does not. His work is reliant on the viewer just assuming there is something deep and meaningful behind the pretty visuals and running with it.

 

Mind you this polar opposite direction they've taken might be worse. This is a complete and utter train wreck of tonal inconsistency.

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Jason

Finally got round to seeing it, it was definitely enjoyable and not the disaster that it's being called by some. The big elephant in the room of doing this film before all these characters have not only not been introduced yet but don't have character arcs of their own yet (outside of Flash's dad thing) does, as I think everybody expected, hurt the film. We all know the reasons as to why they made the film now but it still lessens the moment IMO, there's no attachment to the new characters, the impact of Superman's return isn't as big as it could have been and there's no.. How do I put it.. There's no failure moment, basically, they're a well oiled team from the get go, there's no fall and rise and they just all seem on the same page from the moment they join up. Dunno if that hurts the film really, but perhaps lessens the impact of the big fight at the end?

 

They've got the characters down now though I think, if they can maintain this direction they'll get on track soon. Ezra Miller's gonna be a great Flash too. Also, Cavill's CGI upper lip is ridiculous lol. It was so bad it even got laughs out of people in my showing at one point. It was especially bad during the

farmhouse scene too.

 

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