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HeliWolf420

DC Cinematic Universe (Batman, Supes, Aquaman, and more)

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Spectacus

So I just watched Suicide Squad...

 

 

How would you rate your experience?:

 

  • Bad
  • Really Bad
  • sh*t
  • Really, really sh*t

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KDA

How would you rate your experience?:

Less than marvelous.

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Is this The Guy?

Funny New Years story. So my sister and her mom were coming home for New Years, they were at JFK on standby. Plane was getting close to boarding and there appeared to be a no show so they let my sister have the vacant seat. At the very last minute when she was about to get on the plane the guy who's seat she was given shows up. She posted this on Facebook

 

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So much for fastest man alive

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darthYENIK

That sounds like it could be the start of one of those stories where a celebrity sends a fan a big box of swag. Fingers crossed.

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Vigilante88

First it lost the directors.. and now the Flash movie is getting rewritten. Lol I knew that sh*t was gonna be a fail.

 

CW Flash for the win.

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darthYENIK

It's in pre-pre-production. And when a movie is greenlit years before it actually is scheduled to film, it tends to lose cast and crew for various reasons.

 

I wouldn't take it as a bad sign. It's not great, but it's not necessarily bad. Hell, it could be good. They could've looked at the screenplay and thought it was on par with BvS and said, "we need to do better."

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Zello

Why does The Flash movie have to use Barry Allen why couldn't they pick a different flash like Wally West or maybe even Bart Allen. I understand that Barry was one of the founders of the Justice league but I'd like to see a different Flash get the movie treatment especially after seeing Barry all the time on The CW.

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Dbzk1999

Why does The Flash movie have to use Barry Allen why couldn't they pick a different flash like Wally West or maybe even Bart Allen. I understand that Barry was one of the founders of the Justice league but I'd like to see a different Flash get the movie treatment especially after seeing Barry all the time on The CW.

Probably cause both of those flash's story is tied to Barry (Wally being Iris's niece and getting his power due to visiting Barry's workplace, and Bart being Barry's grandson)

 

It'd be like starting off a spider man universe with miles morales and skipping Peter (which doesn't work due to how miles' origin is tied to Peter)

 

At least that's what I'm thinking

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IDredMan

The Batman lost Ben Affleck as the director.

 

You know what... Watch The Batman and The Flash be the greatest f*cking movies of all time.

 

I remember the months leading up to BvS and Suicide Squad.

"BvS got a standing ovation at a closed screening."

"Cast members think Suicide Squad will be the best movie ever made."

"f*ckin sh*t is cool"

 

Aaaaaaaaaaaand... Garbage! It was all garbage.

Maybe if the movie actually has problems during production, it'll be good somehow.

 

Or they can just reboot and not do origin stories or desaturated bullsh*t or Jared Leto.

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Leftist Bastard

The Batman lost Ben Affleck as the director.

 

You know what... Watch The Batman and The Flash be the greatest f*cking movies of all time.

 

I remember the months leading up to BvS and Suicide Squad.

"BvS got a standing ovation at a closed screening."

"Cast members think Suicide Squad will be the best movie ever made."

"f*ckin sh*t is cool"

 

Aaaaaaaaaaaand... Garbage! It was all garbage.

Maybe if the movie actually has problems during production, it'll be good somehow.

 

Or they can just reboot and not do origin stories or desaturated bullsh*t or Jared Leto.

Did the cast members actually say it'll be the best movie ever made?

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IDredMan

Paraphrasing.

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Natasha

I can't beleive Affleck won't be directing it now. He's still producing it, and obviously acting. Perhaps if he doesn't like where it's going director wise he'll bomb out all together. I appreciate trying to do it all is probably verging on the impossible. But this has me proper devastated today.

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IDredMan

The worst part is what he said like a month ago about how he won't direct it if the script isn't good.

 

I don't even know who's writing The Batman but I'm willing to bet it's David f*cking Goyer again.

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darthYENIK

It's probably a good move by Affleck. They, we, everyone is asking a lot from him. Write, direct, produce, act. That's all good when you're working with you're own material, your own characters. But this is Batman. He has the studio breathing down his neck, he has the fans looking to pick it apart, and he has the crew of the movie looking for a producer and director which is hard on it's own, but add being the lead actor, and I don't see how many people could do it.

 

I trust Johns and Affleck to find a director who can make the movie they want, which is hopefully what we want.

 

As for what IDredMan said, I don't think that's what he meant. If I remember correctly, he was asked about the script, and that statement more meant he thought it was good.

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Leftist Bastard

Yeah and it doesn't help that this is a massive production, too. Just an awful lot of things to juggle all at once; but its still mighty disappointing because Affleck is not only a great director he has a very genuine appreciation for the character and made BvS bearable.

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HaythamKenway

I can't blame Ben for being cautious. Live By Night lost WB money too, which you can bet the execs would use to gain leverage over him in the production. They have a lot, too much, riding on this movie, so why should he completely throw himself in the fire and overstretch himself on such a massive and difficult project? He's already going to be a producer too. In a situation like this, this was a good move and could easily benefit the movie overall.

 

If we were back in 2012, when DC was still (moderately) confident and supported director-driven projects, then this would have been a loss. But given the current condition of the DCEU, internal operation of WB and how "wonderfully" projects like Justice League and Flash are turning out... no, grinding down Ben wouldn't help anything. Art from adversity is a nice idea, but I really doubt that he'd film a masterpiece under a pressure like this.

 

So, I'm not worried for the Batman solo per se, but my unease regarding the studio as a whole certainly wasn't alleviated.

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Natasha

I can't blame Ben for being cautious. Live By Night lost WB money too, which you can bet the execs would use to gain leverage over him in the production. They have a lot, too much, riding on this movie, so why should he completely throw himself in the fire and overstretch himself on such a massive and difficult project? He's already going to be a producer too. In a situation like this, this was a good move and could easily benefit the movie overall.

 

If we were back in 2012, when DC was still (moderately) confident and supported director-driven projects, then this would have been a loss. But given the current condition of the DCEU, internal operation of WB and how "wonderfully" projects like Justice League and Flash are turning out... no, grinding down Ben wouldn't help anything. Art from adversity is a nice idea, but I really doubt that he'd film a masterpiece under a pressure like this.

 

So, I'm not worried for the Batman solo per se, but my unease regarding the studio as a whole certainly wasn't alleviated.

WB are just too meddling as you say. And realistically if he produced it, wrote it, directed it and done the lead role. And then it flopped, it would be WB perfect scapegoat in essense. I think it's probably a wise move on his part the more I think about it personally.

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darthYENIK

Yeah, they really are their own worst enemy. That's why I'm hoping with Johns in charge that he'll be able to appeal to the WB execs, and take some heat off of whoever is directing any of the upcoming DCEU movies.

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Natasha

Yeah, they really are their own worst enemy. That's why I'm hoping with Johns in charge that he'll be able to appeal to the WB execs, and take some heat off of whoever is directing any of the upcoming DCEU movies.

It's unbeleivable too because as far as animated show's go, DC is literally kicking Marvel's ass and has been pretty much since Batman: TAS went live in '92. It's now been 25 years since that first aired and really it's been a white wash since by DC/WB overall. I just don't understand why they can mess up their Cinematic stuff so profoundly! Edited by Natz_83

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Leftist Bastard

Because they're taking a shortcut.

Up and till 2012 DC were on top of it all, movies TV and video games. You had Nolan working on Batman with what is considered one of the best trilogies ever with TDK being considered one of the best movies, period. TV with their animated stuff and video games with the Arkham property.

 

But Marvel was playing the long con. After multiple years of build up and movies The Avengers cashed in, big time. Marvel did the impossible and somehow managed to adapt the structure of comic books released into movies. Tons of different characters and franchises sharing the same world with references, small connections that turn into one big cross over story arc every year or so. People loved those movies, it was brilliant and is an absolute money machine.

 

DC wanted in on that, but they didn't want to go through the effort. No build up, just release a single solo movie and then rush a bunch of cross overs and smaller properties. BvS should have been the third or fourth DC movie not the second. Suicide Squad shouldn't have even been talked about till JLA where a bunch of those characters would have been established in smaller roles.

 

Its a mess.

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Shakermaker

^Yep. True story.

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Natasha

Because they're taking a shortcut.

Up and till 2012 DC were on top of it all, movies TV and video games. You had Nolan working on Batman with what is considered one of the best trilogies ever with TDK being considered one of the best movies, period. TV with their animated stuff and video games with the Arkham property.

 

But Marvel was playing the long con. After multiple years of build up and movies The Avengers cashed in, big time. Marvel did the impossible and somehow managed to adapt the structure of comic books released into movies. Tons of different characters and franchises sharing the same world with references, small connections that turn into one big cross over story arc every year or so. People loved those movies, it was brilliant and is an absolute money machine.

 

DC wanted in on that, but they didn't want to go through the effort. No build up, just release a single solo movie and then rush a bunch of cross overs and smaller properties. BvS should have been the third or fourth DC movie not the second. Suicide Squad shouldn't have even been talked about till JLA where a bunch of those characters would have been established in smaller roles.

 

Its a mess.

Amen, I don't think anyone can say anything to that nor argue any case against it. It's not even someone's opinion per se this is pretty much the hard facts we all have to live with. The trouble I've got with WB in that instance is, if they look at MCU, every single movie was a cash cow, they never rushed to Avengers Assemble to make money, it was already flooding in for years.

 

Likewise, if they done solo movies for Supes, Bats, Lantern etc ect. They would of made a fortune before even thinking about JLA.

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Leftist Bastard

I'm also not quite sure who thought Snyder was a good man for the job on those movies. Man of Steel was ok but its very evident that he's a style over substance director which is not what you need right now. I'v come to despite the term ''for the fans'' because of the cop out DC pull with every failed movie.

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Natasha

I'm also not quite sure who thought Snyder was a good man for the job on those movies. Man of Steel was ok but its very evident that he's a style over substance director which is not what you need right now. I'v come to despite the term ''for the fans'' because of the cop out DC pull with every failed movie.

Snyder's problem is ultimately he's stuck in this Noire realm, it works in 300, and it sure as hell worked to bring Watchmen kicking and screaming from the 80's. But Superman/Batman etc are timeless. And whenever I watch this now I keep getting flashbacks to how the style worked in those movies but IMHO it fails with the DCU.

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Shakermaker

I'm no expert but I can see that Zack Snyder has a very peculiar filmmaking style. I think that universal characters like Batman and Superman should be treated in a more accessible language.

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Natasha

I'm no expert but I can see that Zack Snyder has a very peculiar filmmaking style. I think that universal characters like Batman and Superman should be treated in a more accessible language.

This is more or less what I was trying to get at, you've just paraphrased it much better than I could manage. :lol:

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Leftist Bastard

Snyder would be a lot better off if he directed something minimalist like Drive or Sin City I agree. He has a flair for visuals but instead of incorporating his narrative into the art you just have something that shines stylistically but flounders in other aspects of his work. 300 was the closest he came to properly utilizing his talent IMO. I don't really count Watchmen because that was almost 1-1 translation which made the movie weaker and stronger all at once.

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darthYENIK

Snyder likes recreating comic book splash pages in movies. The problem is, he doesn't know how to construct one. He doesn't know what would be interesting in that type of shot. Being surrounded by people reaching out to Superman like he's god comes off as too masturbatory. He's trying to use shots like that to further the idea that Superman is seen as a deity. That's kind of a lame idea, in my opinion.

 

It's not a bad idea to have splash page-like shots. Look at the Avengers. There's three or four amazing splash page type slow motion shots in that movie that make me grin from ear to ear. Such as the shot of Banner slowly turning and hulking out to punch that Chitauri whale thing, or the now classic "circle shot". Those are interesting moments. We get to see every detail of the hulking out process, followed by a mind blowing moment, or we get to see the Avengers all on screen back to back for the first time in film.

 

Basically what I'm saying is, these shots are not a replacement for storytelling, and there should definitely not be a montage of them in the way that Snyder has used them in BvS.

 

But if that was Snyder's only problem, I wouldn't be complaining. I think he also has failed to grasp basic fundamental traits and abilities of characters, while adding his own that are just weird. Like how Batman is crawling on walls when we first see him. Seriously, Zack? Is that something Batman has ever done?

 

He's either just not a good judge of how these characters should be portrayed or he's incapable of seeing something in the script being off, and changing it for the better.

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Leftist Bastard

I still find it insane that they made Batman kill. POOF one of the most important parts of his character, crucial to his morality and so many facets of his character and the world of Batman just gone for a bit more edge. This is not an Elseworlds scenario or anything either, its the one we're stuck with for the duration of this DCU!

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IDredMan

It sucks that movie directors are basically the front of any movie.

 

Some asshole at WB goes "Let's get the guy who wrote Ghost Rider to write MoS and BvS"

Then that guy goes "Let's have them make up because of Martha and maybe Batman should kill everyone."

 

And then people just go "f*ck you, Zack Snyder."

 

And yes, I am guilty of that last part.

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