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DC Cinematic Universe (Batman, Supes, Aquaman, and more)


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I think a lot of people disagree with what they want superman to be. Some people who have never read the comics see him as Christopher Reeves. Some people read just the classics, the defining works of the character. Some people only read the old stuff, some the new stuff.

 

Superman has evolved. But it's not apparent like Batman. Batman has very clearly changed from the golden age, to the silver age, to the 80s, 90s, and 2000s and the New 52. But people don't seem to want to see that happen with Superman. They want him to stay the way he was when they read his comics or saw his movies.

 

I think a lot of people aren't and don't want to be understanding about Man of Steel. They don't want to accept that when he fought Zod, it was the first time he was Superman. He caused damage and destruction, and killed Zod, because he had never done that before. He didn't realize the consequences would be so severe. He's a boy from Kansas. He's never seen anything like that fight either. He's not prepared for it.

 

NOPE! That's just not acceptable for some people. They want Superman to be all knowing, infallible, and... Dare I say, boring.

 

I don't hate MoS because it's a new take on Superman or that 'it's his first day'.

I hate it because it's a dumb movie with a dumb story and the action was basically just white noise.

Zod is a terrible villain... Out of all the planets on our solar system, he picks ours for no f*cking reason.

He talks about how he doesn't want newborn Kryptonians to have to adjust to life on Earth, but he does it in literally 20 seconds in the movie.

The dubstep machine that destroys the earth... It was destroyed by the power of god, because the movie spent like 30 minutes establishing that Kryptonians have no superpowers in Kryptonian atmosphere, then Superman just forgets about that.

Then, my god... To kill Zod's ship thing, they put the plot device in the plot USB port, and it makes a black hole. Then Superman (Who, at that point, is slower than light) escapes its gravitational pull. Then, through the reoccurring divine interference, the black hole that floats about 20 feet above ground... Instead of devouring the Earth, it just disappears. It stops existing.

Oh, you can't destroy matter? Tell that to Zack f*cking Snyder who cared more about making a dumb spectacle movie over making a competent one.

The action always just boiled down to 'sh*t happening', it was barely less confusing as Transformers action scenes.

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Zod is a brilliant villain. He's always been the bad buy for Superman, it's obvious you just don't like him for no reason. The reason he chooses Earth because he finds out that Kal-El is living there, and being face to face with Kal's father and getting humiliated because of his motives and stubborn nature, they are enemies. Kal was a threat to him, period, that's why he hunts him down and since he's on earth, he uses the planet as leverage and causes destruction at the same time.

 

Kryptonians don't have superpowers on Krypton because they have a red sun, yellow sun is what give them the powers, it has nothing to do with the atmosphere. That's the main reason why he's never going to move away from Earth, excluding his love and affection for the humans. Also, he barely knew about Krypton, he was on an escape pod when he was a f*cking baby when the planet exploded.

 

When Zod's ship blows up, it doesn't create a black hole, common sense tells you that a black hole forms when a star is dead. It's just unstable energy feeding on itself and expands to the point where it sucks everything in, but dies after. Superman can easily get out of that, but this is him in the beginning still, prime Supes is as fast as light.

 

MOS was not perfect, not in the slightest sense. The dialogue was not bad, but it sure as hell wasn't pretty which is one flaw. I personally think the actress who plays Lois is sh*t, period. I never gave a sh*t about her, and still cannot for the life of me. She's a lost cause. Few small stuff here and there, but MOS was very good. It's a hard project to successfully create.

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I think a lot of people disagree with what they want superman to be. Some people who have never read the comics see him as Christopher Reeves. Some people read just the classics, the defining works of the character. Some people only read the old stuff, some the new stuff.

Superman has evolved. But it's not apparent like Batman. Batman has very clearly changed from the golden age, to the silver age, to the 80s, 90s, and 2000s and the New 52. But people don't seem to want to see that happen with Superman. They want him to stay the way he was when they read his comics or saw his movies.

I think a lot of people aren't and don't want to be understanding about Man of Steel. They don't want to accept that when he fought Zod, it was the first time he was Superman. He caused damage and destruction, and killed Zod, because he had never done that before. He didn't realize the consequences would be so severe. He's a boy from Kansas. He's never seen anything like that fight either. He's not prepared for it.

NOPE! That's just not acceptable for some people. They want Superman to be all knowing, infallible, and... Dare I say, boring.

 

I don't hate MoS because it's a new take on Superman or that 'it's his first day'.

I hate it because it's a dumb movie with a dumb story and the action was basically just white noise.

Zod is a terrible villain... Out of all the planets on our solar system, he picks ours for no f*cking reason.

He talks about how he doesn't want newborn Kryptonians to have to adjust to life on Earth, but he does it in literally 20 seconds in the movie.

The dubstep machine that destroys the earth... It was destroyed by the power of god, because the movie spent like 30 minutes establishing that Kryptonians have no superpowers in Kryptonian atmosphere, then Superman just forgets about that.

Then, my god... To kill Zod's ship thing, they put the plot device in the plot USB port, and it makes a black hole. Then Superman (Who, at that point, is slower than light) escapes its gravitational pull. Then, through the reoccurring divine interference, the black hole that floats about 20 feet above ground... Instead of devouring the Earth, it just disappears. It stops existing.

Oh, you can't destroy matter? Tell that to Zack f*cking Snyder who cared more about making a dumb spectacle movie over making a competent one.

The action always just boiled down to 'sh*t happening', it was barely less confusing as Transformers action scenes.

Those are completely fair and valid criticisms. I'm just against the people who say Superman shouldn't do this or that, because that's not what he would do.
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Henry Cavill was a good Superman. Considering the competition, he may have even been the best Superman.

He rocked the outfit, his abs had abs and he had a great ass.

It's just that the fight scenes are extremely unfocused and random.

I only liked it in theaters because I had recently gotten extremely disappointed by Iron Man 3, which only had 1 action scene and it ended with Gwyneth Paltrow kicking a missile in Guy Pearce. So brainless action was okay at the time.

Then I watched it again... And again... And again. And it got slightly worse every time and just left a bad taste in my mouth.

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Zod didn't pick a random planet. Clark pretty much turned on a beacon when he activated the ship that was in the ice.

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Superman, the 1979 movie with Chris Reeve, is the whole reason I am who I am, a Superhero fan. That movie brought me to Spider-man, Batman, Grendel, The Watchmen, Star Wars, Star Trek... it was the beginning of the movement for me. In fact, I remember I used to wear Superman PJs under my clothes, I had special snap button shirts so I could rip them open. One day we walked to the supermarket, I wearing my shirt and PJs under, and I was literally scared that if someone knew I had that on underneath, I could be arrested for impersonating Superman. He was that big and that real to me. That being said, the thing about Superman is that is isn't of us, his true identity is in that blue suit and red cape, it's the disguise of Clark Kent that is fake. And even so, he puts his life on the line (sort of, because he is overpowered, but really... isn't that kind of the point? Superpowers are OP, otherwise they'd just be abilities), he patrols the streets to make life better for us, because he loves Earth and humanity. When, in the comics, the Earth gets tested and he is demanded, we, as a people, already love him and know he's worth fighting for. In MoS, Superman wasn't even a thing without Zod. That's the biggest misstep. We saw an alien fight more aliens to save both himself and his home, our home, we didn't see the selflessness that I, personally, wanted to see. Any thing with the Last Son of Krypton will be good to my eyes, but Superman Returns was more a Superman story to me than MoS.

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No selflessness? So when Zod was about to fry those humans, didn't he beg Zod not to make him do something that he doesn't want to do? Superman refrains from killing and in this case, he couldn't do sh*t. But I also partly blame the stupid family for not moving from there in the first place, but who knows if Zod managed to hit someone anyway. At the beginning, his dad sacrificed himself for Clark, but before that he really wanted to save him even if it meant exposing himself to the public and becoming a freak of nature sort of thing, but he obeyed his dad because he knew he'd have to be selfless to protect the earth. Okay, I can agree that there wasn't much of this characteristic throughout the movie, but what do you expect from him the first time he has to put the burden of responsibility on his shoulders? As he matures and gets more experienced, he's only going to become more humble and selflessness to the point where he is willing to die for everyone, hence the doomsday approach in BVS. Remember the Henry himself said that the Chris Reeves version has its stamp put on already, he just can't imitate that because not only is he going to get backlash from those die hard fans, but if he f*cks up, then the backlash will be even worse. Reeves was a legend and his version is timeless. That puts Cavill's version the next legendary approach, he is doing his own thing but also staying true to the source material.

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Those are simply my complaints. This isn't my idealized Superman, but that doesn't mean it isn't good fodder for the continual development of this awesome modern piece of mythology. I'm very excited about BvS, even if it doesn't have my Kal-El, son of Marlon Brando.

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Fair enough. At the end of the day, films like these have to be based on their true comic counterparts, not made up fodder that would tarnish the reputation of quality cinematic development. If it was upto people how it should be, then Superman would be the most inconsistent character ever created, or at the least the most underpowered one ever. Why would you honestly want to see Superman act like a carebear getting battered by an ugly version of abomination who then makes emotional speeches till blood is spilled out of him? That's not what Superman is. Yes, superman is as humble as a hero can get eventually, he is the epitome of hope, equality, humanity and strength. He's there to help humanity survive and always stand together and prevent violence and crime. But he isn't the white knight people keep saying he is and never will be. No one and nothing is perfect. He has to have that fight and brutality in him in certain situations. He's a goddamn alien with powers. Now talk about Batman and all the batfans will go crazy, he has to be the guy from the comics, the super genius who can even outsmart aliens that can think 10x faster than him, create anything he wants and always has a plan even in situations where he can't get out of. Talk about hypocrisy lol.

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Now talk about Batman and all the batfans will go crazy, he has to be the guy from the comics, the super genius who can even outsmart aliens that can think 10x faster than him, create anything he wants and always has a plan even in situations where he can't get out of. Talk about hypocrisy lol.

 

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Ugh, just the mention of Batgod puts a large distaste on my mouth. Anyways, I just hope that superman is characterised well. The more I grow up, the more I appreciate the character and what he represents. Just hope the movies do him well

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The Dedito Gae

So, Batffleck shares the same continuity with Suicide Squad's Joker?

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Well, certainly i'm honoring my member title with that question i've just made lol, all i can think now is Christian Bale and Jared Leto's roles reversed:

 

 

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Gonna miss Bale as Batman, even though TDK trilogy is bittersweet to me, he's Bruce Wayne to me, but i'm also interested to see what Affleck can do with the part, so far i kinda dig the grey/black suit (looks like the dark knight rises comic) and love the new fighting moves of Batffleck (Better than the confussing videoclip style of TDK trilogy) so he's shaping up ok IMO, maybe i'll like more this Batman but not the Bruce Wayne.

Odd i know.

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I loved TDK Trilogy. Grew up watching it, made me love Batman. It was great take on Batman, making it relatable. Though I do personally believe that GSP or Anderson Silva could take both Bat's and Bane down, to be honest. But Batfleck will be the closest counterpart to the comics, physically, and that's what I've always wanted. A superior mixed martial artist, plus the super genius and detective things.

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Ok so riddle me this, why is Superman only 33 yrs old yet his blue n red suit is nearly 20,000 yrs old? Also, according to MoS comic prequel it's the same ship that crashed landed in Alaska - that means it was there before the destruction of Krypton and if Kara was aboard that ship, that would make her alot older than Supes. So confusing lol.

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Ok so riddle me this, why is Superman only 33 yrs old yet his blue n red suit is nearly 20,000 yrs old? Also, according to MoS comic prequel it's the same ship that crashed landed in Alaska - that means it was there before the destruction of Krypton and if Kara was aboard that ship, that would make her alot older than Supes. So confusing lol.

 

Ahhhhhh, female Kryptonians age slower?

 

It don't makka da sense!

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Ok so riddle me this, why is Superman only 33 yrs old yet his blue n red suit is nearly 20,000 yrs old? Also, according to MoS comic prequel it's the same ship that crashed landed in Alaska - that means it was there before the destruction of Krypton and if Kara was aboard that ship, that would make her alot older than Supes. So confusing lol.

 

Ahhhhhh, female Kryptonians age slower?

 

It don't makka da sense!

 

We can apply Interstellar logic to it. So, 20,000 years on Earth equals maybe only a couple of years on Krypton. Does that make sense? :p

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Too complicated. The Phantom Zone is the only answer.

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Ok so riddle me this, why is Superman only 33 yrs old yet his blue n red suit is nearly 20,000 yrs old? Also, according to MoS comic prequel it's the same ship that crashed landed in Alaska - that means it was there before the destruction of Krypton and if Kara was aboard that ship, that would make her alot older than Supes. So confusing lol.

It can't be the same ship from Alaska because that ship got completely f*cked up, which means either Kryptonians new of earth from before or the comic is inconsistent as f*ck. It's most likely another ship that looks the same as the one Kara was in. Also, the suit being made 20,000 years ago is ok because its based on the one's that Zod and Faora pretty much have underneath their exoskeleton suits, the design must have been changed over time or someone was creative........Jor El, you smart bastard.

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It's the same ship however in the comic it's under the ice in Canada whereas in the film it's under the ice in Alaska - it then shows Kal-El on the fishing boat, where also you can see the crest of the house of Jo-El in mid-sky, a signal produced by the beacon inside Kara's ship. Although the timeframe is way off, it does hint and/or gives the impression that Kara is alive out there somewhere looking for her cousin's whereabouts. That is, if she's aware of what's going on, or she can sense his presence. Like Supes felt when his mom was in trouble.

 

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If Zod's body turns into this, Supes is going to have his hands full by the time Bats comes up with a miracle. :p

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Damn, I forgot about the fishing boat scene. So to me that implies she's definitely going to be introduced in MoS 2, and she could easily hunt him down because maybe she's going to keep an eye on this battle against Doomsday.

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Damn, I forgot about the fishing boat scene. So to me that implies she's definitely going to be introduced in MoS 2, and she could easily hunt him down because maybe she's going to keep an eye on this battle against Doomsday.

Yup, that's what I'm thinking.

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I haven't really followed WW that much to know what's she's capable of doing as far as her metahuman powers go. But my question is, compare to Bats and Superman, how powerful is she?

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She's an amazonian with super strength, flight, indestructible bracelets and some kind of energy blast. So to Batman, she's a goddess, but to Superman, she's just another alien with powers.

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