ultrabowser Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Why isn't there a topic in which someone complains about the fact that GTA V has the same sh*tty engine as GTA IV (and Red Dead Redemption and Max Payne 3)? Or at least provoke a discussion: even though it's the same engine, will there be improvements with, for example, driving, shooting and things like that? Personally I only played GTA IV, so I can't compare, but if some of you played the other games: were things more smooth on the latter games? Oh and it could also be the case that you had no problem with GTA IV's engine... Edited July 19, 2013 by ultrabowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 What a dumb thread. Of course it was smooth, RAGE is getting better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullworthAcademy Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Duh. They said they've mastered the engine now. Max Payne 3 was the most improved and most recent Rockstar game. It is the most fluid and dynamic third person shooter I've ever played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisselys Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Why isn't there a topic in which someone complains about the fact that GTA V has the same sh*tty engine as GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3?Or at least provoke a discussion: even though it's the same engine, will there be improvements with, for example, driving, shooting and things like that? Personally I only played GTA IV, so I can't compare, but if some of you played the other games: were things more smooth on the latter games? Oh and it could also be the case that you had no problem with GTA IV's engine... you never played RDR or Max payne 3 and you call them sh*tty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock n' Stock Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Obviously yes, but a much improved version. I think RAGE gets the job done. Why you complaining? The game seems to run smoothly judging by gameplay footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theNGclan Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 GTA V has the same sh*tty engine as GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3 You seem upset. Never actually played a Rockstar game properly? Sorry that the AI is smarter than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dope_0110 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 GTA V has the same sh*tty engine as GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3 You seem upset. Never actually played a Rockstar game properly? Sorry that the AI is smarter than you. Wow... haha that's a nice one, and I have to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 GTA V has the same sh*tty engine as GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3 You seem upset. Never actually played a Rockstar game properly? Sorry that the AI is smarter than you. Ouch, that must have stung a little. Since the AI in GTA is kind of dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stranger44 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Okay, let's just get a few things clear. 1. Game Engines themselves evolve over time. For example GTA 4's version of RAGE was probably 1.3 or something. GTA V's is probably 1.8 or whatever. They add in new features and optimisations over time. 2. It's very difficult to explain what actually qualifies as an actual "engine upgrade" these days. For example, consider the jump between San Andreas and GTA 4. I'd say that's an obvious engine upgrade. But then consider the difference between Assassin's Creed Revelations and Assassin's Creed 3. AC3 is supposed to have a "new engine" (it's even named differently) but honestly, it doesn't feel like such a staggering upgrade. So it really depends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrabowser Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 GTA V has the same sh*tty engine as GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3 You seem upset. Never actually played a Rockstar game properly? Sorry that the AI is smarter than you. No I haven't, because the discs are so hard to put into the console But I like to watch my retarded little brother play sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Okay, let's just get a few things clear. 1. Game Engines themselves evolve over time. How.... I don't even.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirTerning Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Seriously !? Have you taken a look at MP3? It looks stunning and is running smooth as hell, even on computer. RDR looks absolutely gorgeous and runs quite nice, even though it got its small hiccups here and there. MC:LA runs good too, though got kind of the same problems that GTAIV got, minus the constant frame drops. Keep in mind it was released a year after GTAIV. So yeah the RAGE engine gets the job done and now as it has been upgraded heavily the last few years, with the prime examples as MP3 and RDR you can calm the f*ck down and breath slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stranger44 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Okay, let's just get a few things clear. 1. Game Engines themselves evolve over time. How.... I don't even.......... I just realised how stupidly I worded that lol. Thank god I didn't use the word "literally". What I meant was the same game engine is worked on by the devs over time so you could argue that any addition or alteration to the engine is a "new engine". But at the same time you could say "well no that's not enough to qualify for a brand new engine in my eyes, that's just a slight upgrade." So it depends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dope_0110 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Okay, let's just get a few things clear. 1. Game Engines themselves evolve over time. For example GTA 4's version of RAGE was probably 1.3 or something. GTA V's is probably 1.8 or whatever. They add in new features and optimisations over time. 2. It's very difficult to explain what actually qualifies as an actual "engine upgrade" these days. For example, consider the jump between San Andreas and GTA 4. I'd say that's an obvious engine upgrade. But then consider the difference between Assassin's Creed Revelations and Assassin's Creed 3. AC3 is supposed to have a "new engine" (it's even named differently) but honestly, it doesn't feel like such a staggering upgrade. So it really depends. SA to IV is not an engine upgrade, it a completely new engine. RAGE was first made and used in Rockstar's Table Tennis game and after that came all others and with each one the engine was improved in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Ultrabowser you must have downloaded a sh*t copy of the game mate. IV runs beautifully on my Ps3 and RDR is perfect and even better than what RAGE was like in IV. From IV to RDR you can tell that Rockstar definitely stepped it up a couple of notches. V will be like 10x even better than both of those games put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonradGM Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 rage is amazing engine, so be quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrabowser Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 Okay, let's just get a few things clear. 1. Game Engines themselves evolve over time. How.... I don't even.......... It's true, because good engines sell more copies, survival of the fittest engine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution But... as per Sir Terning his request I go and chill the f*ck out. Forever Nah just kidding, I believe you that it'll be fine. Oh and on a second thought, the engine of GTA IV wasn't so bad after all. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stranger44 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Okay, let's just get a few things clear. 1. Game Engines themselves evolve over time. For example GTA 4's version of RAGE was probably 1.3 or something. GTA V's is probably 1.8 or whatever. They add in new features and optimisations over time. 2. It's very difficult to explain what actually qualifies as an actual "engine upgrade" these days. For example, consider the jump between San Andreas and GTA 4. I'd say that's an obvious engine upgrade. But then consider the difference between Assassin's Creed Revelations and Assassin's Creed 3. AC3 is supposed to have a "new engine" (it's even named differently) but honestly, it doesn't feel like such a staggering upgrade. So it really depends. SA to IV is not an engine upgrade, it a completely new engine. RAGE was first made and used in Rockstar's Table Tennis game and after that came all others and with each one the engine was improved in some way. Wow, I just failed so hard at distinguishing my vocabulary. Yeah, SA to 4 was a "new engine". 4 to 5 will be an "engine upgrade". But at the same time, like I mentioned, it's difficult to explain what exactly distinguishes the two. You could just add a few tiny additions to your engine and then re-release it as something brand new and different even though it feels pretty much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stranger44 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 rage is amazing engine, so be quiet The netcode in GTA 4 was terrible. I hope it's better in V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dope_0110 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Okay, let's just get a few things clear. 1. Game Engines themselves evolve over time. For example GTA 4's version of RAGE was probably 1.3 or something. GTA V's is probably 1.8 or whatever. They add in new features and optimisations over time. 2. It's very difficult to explain what actually qualifies as an actual "engine upgrade" these days. For example, consider the jump between San Andreas and GTA 4. I'd say that's an obvious engine upgrade. But then consider the difference between Assassin's Creed Revelations and Assassin's Creed 3. AC3 is supposed to have a "new engine" (it's even named differently) but honestly, it doesn't feel like such a staggering upgrade. So it really depends. SA to IV is not an engine upgrade, it a completely new engine. RAGE was first made and used in Rockstar's Table Tennis game and after that came all others and with each one the engine was improved in some way. Wow, I just failed so hard at distinguishing my vocabulary. Yeah, SA to 4 was a "new engine". 4 to 5 will be an "engine upgrade". But at the same time, like I mentioned, it's difficult to explain what exactly distinguishes the two. You could just add a few tiny additions to your engine and then re-release it as something brand new and different even though it feels pretty much the same. Well yes, some developers do like to just add a few little things to their engine and call it a new one as that's one more + for the marketing department. Technically, a new engine would be something that is completely written from scratch, and an upgrade would be just fine tuning the existing engine so it runs better or to add it a few new functions that it may not have supported before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrabowser Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 rage is amazing engine, so be quiet The netcode in GTA 4 was terrible. I hope it's better in V. Be careful saying anything bad about GTA around here. It might cost you your dignity. Darnit, I hid some response on the first page that actually had content because of this post. Sorry. Definition of engine upgrade, that's where the topic had shift to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHOENIXZERO Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Considering that it appears the PS3 version of GTA V is running at 720p native unlike GTA IV and RDR which ran at 640p, I think that's a pretty decent step up, yay for taking over five years to achieve parity in at least that department. About time... I know MP3 did but that was a much smaller game in terms of scale, not sure about Midnight Club: LA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoBellic1993 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 rage is amazing engine, so be quiet The netcode in GTA 4 was terrible. I hope it's better in V. Be careful saying anything bad about GTA around here. It might cost you your dignity. Darnit, I hid some response on the first page that actually had content because of this post. Sorry. Definition of engine upgrade, that's where the topic had shift to. People don't attack you because you said something bad about GTA, but because you said something completely retarded and you aren't even aware of it which makes me think you are a troll . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 All Rockstar titles since Table Tennis in 2006 use the exact same engine. But each title gets its own customized build of the engine, and only what is needed is used and improved further. It's not like V uses the same engine as IV, or better said 'build'. It uses a different build of it, which is more optimized and has certain advantages. It basically includes all the improvements of past builds, and it will include some completely new things as well, especially since V will (most likely) mark the end of the current console cycle for Rockstar. GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaman533 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Duh. They said they've mastered the engine now. Max Payne 3 was the most improved and most recent Rockstar game. It is the most fluid and dynamic third person shooter I've ever played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trund Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I sometimes wonder what people think a game engine is? RAGE is not something R* built purely on their own, the RAGE engine includes many third-party middleware engines like Euphoria (Ragdoll) and Bullet (Physics). All of these different components evolve over time and so does the complete RAGE engine. Think of it like a 2.0L car engine that could only reach 150hp 5 years ago, but with some fine tuning and many enhancements it now reaches 300hp, that's pretty much how game engines evolve over time, so it's not exactly an "old" sh*tty engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futo Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 sh*tty engine? Move along op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 GTA V will be using the RAGE3.0 engine which came around with Max Payne 3 where it was heavily tweaked to handle structures and processing much better as well as tailoring to each platforms strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbangz Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Really? RDR's graphics are superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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