Will there ever be little kids in gta

[meson1]

GTA have often been targeted by political officials over the excessive gun use and trafficking, drug use and trafficking, prostitution, criminal syndication, and promoting violent behaviour. With the fact that R* replicates real locales and researches on the culture and society in that geographic location. Then mocks the problems with the culture and society.

 

GTA SA was nearly taken off shelves, until R* complied and released an edited version of the game. IV was under a lot of negative political and media attention, and was petitioned to be banned as well.

 

I know a lot of this is bullsh*t, but when the media is controlled mostly by politics and the big business' that control them.

 

R* always walks a fine line when creating and releasing these games of this franchise. Adding children would be a serious risk within the world, and could add to the arsenal against R*. I understand they have added children into cut scenes of GTA but that was possibly a risk as well, though a smaller risk that they were willing to take.

 

Other game franchises have never had this much negative exposure from the media and political figure-heads. Call of Duty can't even compare to R* due to the fact they forewarn and offer the option to exclude controversial situations. While movies are released in such rapid secession, and are only watched, not experienced interactively.

 

Children or characters who resemble children and not a young adult is a major risk to put within the world, and give the user the freedom to interact with this character. It would add to the negative exposure and would probably be used in against them in anyway possible. Children will only ever exist in cut scenes and will never be found wandering throughout the world.

Excellent post. This explains why GTA tends to attract attention as a game, even when it's largely unjustified. If the do-gooders want to say something about the alleged 'evils' of a video game, GTA is the one they tend to pick simply because it's themes are all about amorality. We know that GTA has matured a lot as a series and even GTA does have some moral themes. But many of those people, who really don't have a clue about how GTA has grown, will still tend to pick on it. We know that's bullsh*t, but that's the reality.

 

Secondly, GTA is set in a depiction of the normal modern world. You see, when you set a game during a war or a battle, it's reasonable to have the player do things consistent with that situation (kill, blow things up, etc). When you set a game in a fantasy world like Skyrim, or in a futuristic world like Fallout, there are certain things you can allow the player to do, simply because it's in an unrealistic setting and/or abnormal circumstances. But GTA recreates a normal modern society that is virtually identical to our own. No wars. No fantasy. No sci-fi. Just you in a normal everyday civilised world.

 

So if you go killing kids in Fallout or Skyrim or whatever, it attracts virtually no attention. But GTA recreates a modern contemporary world for the purposes of allowing the player to do amoral things. And GTA tends to attract attention. So if you stick kids in GTA, it would attract far too much adverse publicity.

 

GTA is Rockstar's biggest earner. There was a time that Rockstar didn't mind a little controversy surrounding GTA because it gave them publicity. But after 'hot coffee', I think they realised that not all publicity is good publicity and nor is it controllable. Coupled to that GTA is no longer a small game. They no longer need controversy to help them sell the games. I think that these days, all they want to do is write the story, make the game, have fun doing it and make a bit of money off it.

 

Children don't really achieve anything useful apart from making the game world look slightly more realistic. Weighing against putting children in GTA is all the above. Putting kids in is just more trouble than it's worth, therefore they will never put children in GTA.

[K20]

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[meson1]

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=536611

 

1. That's ancient. We're not supposed to bump topics that old. Forum rules.
2. It's locked, so people can't use that one for their discussion anyway.

Thanks though. I know you mean well.

[ObsessedwithGTAV]

GTA V Kids = Mothers Against Videogame Addiction and Violence head exploding. I think Rockstar try to pick and choose their battles and this isn't one that's worth it IMO.

 

We do have Michael's son and daughter, who are sort of "kids", but they are teenagers (or maybe older)?

 

Speaking of older, has Rockstar ever commented on how old some of the main characters are?

[Death2Drugs]

We will never see a Grand Theft Auto with kids. Here's why.

 

1. The media sh*tstorm that would ensue. OK, we've gotten used to video games which you're killing people. Fine. "GTA MAKES PEOPLE VIOLENT?". That sh*t's old and done. Most tabloids would rather cover the latest major political scandal, some celebrity bullsh*t, or some other f*cked up thing in this world. However, "A VIOLENT VIDEO GAME WHERE YOU CAN KILL KIDDIES?". That's something. Remember the fallout that ensued after the Hot Coffee scandal? Now, there are more sex scenes in games, and people are giving less a f*ck. It's simply something radical that R* would get a sh*tstorm out of. Sure, the idea of kids in violent games may eventually die off just like sex and the whole concept of free roam crime games, but R* won't risk that, which bring us to....

 

2. Morals. I don't think R* developers want GTA to be associated with pedophilia. Imagine if GTA V had kids you could kill. Now imagine groups and sites of people posting videos and pictures of children they killed in some horrible way. GTA V would soon get a negative stigma associated with pedophiles. I'm pretty sure R* is targeting gamers, not pedophiles. Seriously, the tabloids would have a f*cking field day with this.

[felixuta]

It would suck. It would be disturbuting. GTA is not made as a school rampage simulator, so why.

[ShadowDog94]

Well, you can't say including animals isn't the first step towards them being there....

[Dope_0110]

It would suck. It would be disturbuting. GTA is not made as a school rampage simulator, so why.

If having kids in GTA makes it a ''children killing simulator'' as you and many media seem to imply, then isn't GTA right now a killing simulator? Isn't that disturbing, we are killing ''people''! Let's ban GTA completely, and any other game where you kill.

[rdfdsv]

VCS had a baby in two cutscenes I think.

[Huey Freeman]

Having children isn't the best idea.

 

1. What is up with your guys fetish over children in GTA

really there is no need whatsoever, you guys just want to kill them thats it.

 

2. We are all crazy enough playing GTA killing random people and sh*t but thats not why we play.

We all play for the story, awesome features, driving, and now-a-days for online play and PC gamers, mods

 

so having children in the game only justifies that you guys have a hunger for blood and GTA is stimulating it, the reason why people want to ban it. So your just proving them right. Even the animals situation was proving them right too. (Nothing wrong with animals or adults pixels but kid pixels isn't right considering a child that witness this can go through trauma and be scared for life because they can't differ real world from fake just yet, like when most were young and play GTA1,2, or 3 for the first time they would try to play out those actions in real life with imagination, don't lie like you didn't)

[acmilano]

VCS had a baby in two cutscenes I think.

Yes it had.That would be OK,in cutscenes or TV. I really don't want to blast little kids in GTA.

[Dope_0110]

Having children isn't the best idea.

 

1. What is up with your guys fetish over children in GTA

really there is no need whatsoever, you guys just want to kill them thats it.

 

2. We are all crazy enough playing GTA killing random people and sh*t but thats not why we play.

We all play for the story, awesome features, driving, and now-a-days for online play and PC gamers, mods

 

so having children in the game only justifies that you guys have a hunger for blood and GTA is stimulating it, the reason why people want to ban it. So your just proving them right. Even the animals situation was proving them right too. (Nothing wrong with animals or adults pixels but kid pixels isn't right considering a child that witness this can go through trauma and be scared for life because they can't differ real world from fake just yet, like when most were young and play GTA1,2, or 3 for the first time they would try to play out those actions in real life with imagination, don't lie like you didn't)

How come killing people wouldn't cause the same trauma if they can't differentiate real life and virtual?

 

The point is there's no difference between killing a pixelated man, women, animal or child. It's just the fact than in real life killing a child is considered a bigger crime than killing an adult, and so it transfers to a video game.

[Huey Freeman]

Having children isn't the best idea.

 

1. What is up with your guys fetish over children in GTA

really there is no need whatsoever, you guys just want to kill them thats it.

 

2. We are all crazy enough playing GTA killing random people and sh*t but thats not why we play.

We all play for the story, awesome features, driving, and now-a-days for online play and PC gamers, mods

 

so having children in the game only justifies that you guys have a hunger for blood and GTA is stimulating it, the reason why people want to ban it. So your just proving them right. Even the animals situation was proving them right too. (Nothing wrong with animals or adults pixels but kid pixels isn't right considering a child that witness this can go through trauma and be scared for life because they can't differ real world from fake just yet, like when most were young and play GTA1,2, or 3 for the first time they would try to play out those actions in real life with imagination, don't lie like you didn't)

How come killing people wouldn't cause the same trauma if they can't differentiate real life and virtual?

 

The point is there's no difference between killing a pixelated man, women, animal or child. It's just the fact than in real life killing a child is considered a bigger crime than killing an adult, and so it transfers to a video game.

Because killing the child or watching someone else would be like killing themselves.

 

buts thats not the main reason why child in GTA is sick. Even the R* said NEVER, enforcing the EVER thing cause they of all people know its sick.

[simonp92]

There already was kids in previous GTA games. GTA VC stories had an infant baby in some cutscenes and GTA had Jill Von Crastenburg which we're told is 13 years old.

 

[_FRANKENSTEIN_]

In AC3 there were kids but u couldn't kill them.

[Dope_0110]

Because killing the child or watching someone else would be like killing themselves.

 

buts thats not the main reason why child in GTA is sick. Even the R* said NEVER, enforcing the EVER thing cause they of all people know its sick.

Um.. that's a really bad argument.

 

And yes, we all understand Rockstar won't include them and we understand why. But I, and many others on this thread, don't think it's sick. It just attack taboos in people's minds. And I'm sure in the next 5-10 years one GTA like game will have the guts and include them, maybe SR just to cause controversy and bring it into spotlight. And once someone does there will be controversy, debates.. then nothing will happen and people will get over it and it's open field for everyone to do it.. then it will be about having gay protags or some other sh*t that someone will be offended by.

[theworldfamous]

No. It doesn't matter what me or you think about it. Rockstar seems pretty firm on their: we make mature games for adults. So little kids don't really have a place there.

 

From a technical and gameplay standpoint, they're akward. If you want them in and don't want the player to be able to kill them (kind of the standard with kids in games it seems, it's what fallout did) you either have to make them invincible which breaks the rules of the gameworld OR use them only in cutscenes and very scripted sequences which are also at odds with the design philosophy of the game. The best way to avoid it all together is to leave kids out altogether. Michael conveniently has adult kids even though he and his wife are pretty young for that.

 

If you leave them out, they're hardly missed and you don't bring up questions and inconsistencies.

 

Besides.. child actors are f*cking terrible.

[CTCCoco]

No. It doesn't matter what me or you think about it. Rockstar seems pretty firm on their: we make mature games for adults. So little kids don't really have a place there.

 

From a technical and gameplay standpoint, they're akward. If you want them in and don't want the player to be able to kill them (kind of the standard with kids in games it seems, it's what fallout did) you either have to make them invincible which breaks the rules of the gameworld OR use them only in cutscenes and very scripted sequences which are also at odds with the design philosophy of the game. The best way to avoid it all together is to leave kids out altogether. Michael conveniently has adult kids even though he and his wife are pretty young for that.

 

If you leave them out, they're hardly missed and you don't bring up questions and inconsistencies.

 

Besides.. child actors are f*cking terrible.

It's worse to don't have children than don't be able to kill them.

 

Really, a world without children it's not realistic at all.

[theworldfamous]

No. It doesn't matter what me or you think about it. Rockstar seems pretty firm on their: we make mature games for adults. So little kids don't really have a place there.

 

From a technical and gameplay standpoint, they're akward. If you want them in and don't want the player to be able to kill them (kind of the standard with kids in games it seems, it's what fallout did) you either have to make them invincible which breaks the rules of the gameworld OR use them only in cutscenes and very scripted sequences which are also at odds with the design philosophy of the game. The best way to avoid it all together is to leave kids out altogether. Michael conveniently has adult kids even though he and his wife are pretty young for that.

 

If you leave them out, they're hardly missed and you don't bring up questions and inconsistencies.

 

Besides.. child actors are f*cking terrible.

It's worse to don't have children than don't be able to kill them.

 

Really, a world without children it's not realistic at all.

Yeah well.. it's not about realism, is it? There's dogs in the game, but I haven't spotted any cats.. that's not realistic either.

 

It's like a story, and leaving kids out of it is like not mentioning them. It doesn't mean they don't 'exist', just that they don't play a part. As long as the story's logic is consistent with itself, it doesn't matter.

[TakinThyBacon]

Hope not, I do not think they are worth all the flak Rockstar would catch

[AtomicPunk]

Well, you can't say including animals isn't the first step towards them being there....

Morally, What does hunting animals and slaughtering children have to do with each other? I kill deer every year, I also kill rabbits and squirrels. We eat them. I don't trust meat from a store because of all the steroids and antibiotics that are put in it. It's very common in rural Amerika, and keep in mind, rural Amerika is 65% of America--something like that.

 

It's the basic idea of being able to murder a child in a video game. It's morally unacceptable, as it should be by a civilized people. It's just something that is taboo. Any game dev's who try it will be shut down with the quickness.

[Zeta87]

 

(Nothing wrong with animals or adults pixels but kid pixels isn't right considering a child that witness this can go through trauma and be scared for life because they can't differ real world from fake just yet, like when most were young and play GTA1,2, or 3 for the first time they would try to play out those actions in real life with imagination, don't lie like you didn't)

 

 

 

That's why these games are rated M (Mature ): http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

 

"Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language"

 

 

Rockstar seems pretty firm on their: we make mature games for adults.

 

 

 

Games for adults or to be more accurate: for mature people ( 17 years old at least ), so what's the problem?

Edited July 20, 2013 by Zeta87

[tenpennyisplainevil]

(Nothing wrong with animals or adults pixels but kid pixels isn't right considering a child that witness this can go through trauma and be scared for life because they can't differ real world from fake just yet, like when most were young and play GTA1,2, or 3 for the first time they would try to play out those actions in real life with imagination, don't lie like you didn't)

 

 

 

That's why these games are rated M (Mature ): http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

 

"Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language"

No, psychotic sruff like killing children is in no game, not even Adult rated. It's not about the pixels, it's about you ENJOYING THE VIEW OF DYING CHILDREN. No, nobody is getting hurt, but you enjoy watching children die which is borderline psychotic.

[Zeta87]

(Nothing wrong with animals or adults pixels but kid pixels isn't right considering a child that witness this can go through trauma and be scared for life because they can't differ real world from fake just yet, like when most were young and play GTA1,2, or 3 for the first time they would try to play out those actions in real life with imagination, don't lie like you didn't)

 

 

 

That's why these games are rated M (Mature ): http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

 

"Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language"

No, psychotic sruff like killing children is in no game, not even Adult rated. It's not about the pixels, it's about you ENJOYING THE VIEW OF DYING CHILDREN. No, nobody is getting hurt, but you enjoy watching children die which is borderline psychotic.

I enjoy watching pixels die, not people, it's a bit different and i'm always aware of killing pixels...

[Argon]

There are little kids everywhere, just play online

[tenpennyisplainevil]

(Nothing wrong with animals or adults pixels but kid pixels isn't right considering a child that witness this can go through trauma and be scared for life because they can't differ real world from fake just yet, like when most were young and play GTA1,2, or 3 for the first time they would try to play out those actions in real life with imagination, don't lie like you didn't)

 

 

 

That's why these games are rated M (Mature ): http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

 

"Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language"

No, psychotic sruff like killing children is in no game, not even Adult rated. It's not about the pixels, it's about you ENJOYING THE VIEW OF DYING CHILDREN. No, nobody is getting hurt, but you enjoy watching children die which is borderline psychotic.

I enjoy watching pixels die, not people, it's a bit different and i'm always aware of killing pixels...

No, you don't see them as pixels. When you look at them you see children, and it's wrong to enjoy shooting them. It's borderline psychotic. Saying they're 'just pixels' doesn't apply to everything.

[Zeta87]

 

There are little kids everywhere, just play online 

Playing online with kid characters: they are a lot smaller, harder to hit

 

 

No, you don't see them as pixels. When you look at them you see children, and it's wrong to enjoy shooting them. It's borderline psychotic. Saying they're 'just pixels' doesn't apply to everything.

 

I know i'm playing a game and it's not reality, so it would not be a problem to commit a genocide as well. You can start a new game or reload a previous saved game and it's like it never happened...

Edited July 20, 2013 by Zeta87

[gtafaninwest]

GTA V Kids = Mothers Against Videogame Addiction and Violence head exploding. I think Rockstar try to pick and choose their battles and this isn't one that's worth it IMO.

 

We do have Michael's son and daughter, who are sort of "kids", but they are teenagers (or maybe older)?

 

Speaking of older, has Rockstar ever commented on how old some of the main characters are?

Women, especially mothers and female teachers, would freak out over anything.

[Dkmariolink]

Nope. Would cause too much debate in an already controversial game.

[Michael5074]

No.

 

Why does this topic always have to keep coming up in this or ANY GTA forum?

 

And if you want to get REALLY technical, there have been child characters, but by voice only.

What about Mary-Beth Williams from vcs ? She was fully present in 3 missions :Shakedown,When Funday Comes,

Takin' Out the White Trash and only voiced in the mission Fear the Repo !