AceHigh11 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 True, but it's still not a milestone in the gaming history. GTA III isn't a gaming history milestone? Haha! Here's a quick quote from various sources on wiki: In 2007, GamePro called GTA III the most important video game of all-time, explaining that the "game's open-ended gameplay elements have revolutionized the way all video games are made".[8] Similarly, IGN ranked GTA III among the Top 10 Most Influential Games.[67] Video game critics and players have used the term "GTA clone" to describe the slew of video games released which attempted to emulate the sandbox gameplay of GTA III.[citation needed] In 2009, Game Informer put GTA III 4th on their list of "The Top 200 Games of All Time", saying that it "changed the gaming landscape forever with its immersive open world sandbox".[68] GamesRadar named it 'the most important game of the decade'.[69] In November 2012, Time named it one of the 100 greatest video games of all time.[70] "Grand Theft Auto III: RAGE Classic" was a fan made release for Grand Theft Auto IV which was released in 16 December 2012, It received 3,250 downloads as of 11 May 2013 with a rating of 8.09/10.[71][72] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 True, but it's still not a milestone in the gaming history. It is. If it isn't, then MGS isn't either. GTA III didn't start Open world genre, but revolutionised it. MGS didn't start the Stealth genre, but revolutionised it. No difference whatsoever. If anything, sales and critical acclaim is in GTA's favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAVwillbeEPIC Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 the only thing special about GTA III was that you play as a bad guy other than that there wasn't really much to it. It wasn't the first open world game it wasn't even the first 3d open world game on the PS2. There were several 3D open world games on ps1 even (not to mention PC), There was one in particular. Driver 2 you know a game that had many of the elements that GTA III had later? You the series that had the Google-earth switching thing before GTA had it? the game that for some reason got trashed by R*? The sandbox thing was nothing new at all. I agree that III made it popular to the casual crowd but so what. The biggest thing about III was the controversy and the commercial success. But i don't see how III's influence is even in the same ball park with MGS's influence. MGS wasn't the first stealthy game either. What we are saying is GTA 3 revolutionized the open world gameplay in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenpennyisplainevil Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) True, but it's still not a milestone in the gaming history. GTA III isn't a gaming history milestone? Haha! Here's a quick quote from various sources on wiki: In 2007, GamePro called GTA III the most important video game of all-time, explaining that the "game's open-ended gameplay elements have revolutionized the way all video games are made".[8] Similarly, IGN ranked GTA III among the Top 10 Most Influential Games.[67] Video game critics and players have used the term "GTA clone" to describe the slew of video games released which attempted to emulate the sandbox gameplay of GTA III.[citation needed] In 2009, Game Informer put GTA III 4th on their list of "The Top 200 Games of All Time", saying that it "changed the gaming landscape forever with its immersive open world sandbox".[68] GamesRadar named it 'the most important game of the decade'.[69] In November 2012, Time named it one of the 100 greatest video games of all time.[70] "Grand Theft Auto III: RAGE Classic" was a fan made release for Grand Theft Auto IV which was released in 16 December 2012, It received 3,250 downloads as of 11 May 2013 with a rating of 8.09/10.[71][72] This makes no sense GTA III wasn't the first open world game nor the first 3D sandbox. All it really did was combine shooter and driving sandboxes, which both pre-existed. It was a great concept of course, but how could this possibly be a milestone? Revolutionised gaming??? It had no effect on other games! To this day, GTA is still the only one to apply their 'revolutionary' dynamics (except GTA clones of course). The only game that's finally being influenced by the freedom is MGS V, which will now also be open world with shooting and vehicles. Did the huge popularity of III make them forget about Driver II and similar open world games? @GTAVwillbeEPIC @GTAghost Stealth is NOT what made MGS1 a milestone, it's the first game to have extensive immersion. In MGS1, the protag was no longer just a character as in a movie, it was YOU. This is something that influenced games greatly, as you can imagine. Edited July 12, 2013 by tenpennyisplainevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHigh11 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 When I think of a sandbox game, I think of GTA. And GTA III was the game that started it all in a 3d world. If you don't call that a gaming milestone, fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelhere9901 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 GTA > MGS.... How cute. It's the truth. I didn't know the word 'truth' was a synonym to an 'opinion'. That's a fine kettle of fish, gotta tell ya! The world never stops surprising me. Especially the people. How amusing. Your theory is a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning, I just love the way people interpret posts here, and in result, spew something out of nowhere. I don't even know how you asserted that I think the word "truth" is a synonym to an "opinion". I never said it was a fact, the word "truth", if being spoken by an individual, is still subjective (because he still "THINKS" it is that). If you believe such things as "facts", then I'm not sure how you've been surviving the internet, let alone the word. In addition, it is not otherwise either, if I said MGS > GTA it would still be subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) GTA III wasn't the first open world game nor the first 3D sandbox. @GTAVwillbeEPIC @GTAghost Stealth is NOT what made MGS1 a milestone, it's the first game to have extensive immersion. In MGS1, the protag was no longer just a character as in a movie, it was YOU. This is something that influenced games greatly, as you can imagine. MGS wasn't the first Stealth game, either. And being ''the first game to have exctensive immersion'' is purely subjective. It was to you, but not to others. If MGS is a milestone in gaming history then so is GTA III. Period. Edited July 12, 2013 by Gtaghost22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDredMan Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Is that the best way to sell your game ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenpennyisplainevil Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) When I think of a sandbox game, I think of GTA. And GTA III was the game that started it all in a 3d world. If you don't call that a gaming milestone, fine. What I call a milestone in the history of gaming is a game that does something revolutionary that influences a lot of other games. GTA III was 'just' extremely popular and an awesome game. It's like saying Gangnam Style is a milestone in music because it broke the views recond on YT (not sure if it was that song), while really songs like Child in Time from Deep Purple or Stairway to Heaven from Led Zeppelin are among the milestones. At least that's how I think about milestones, they gotta have influence. And btw, I know the comparison might seem like I'm trashtalking GTA, but to clarify GTA is at least as good as MGS. @gtaghost22 Not an opinion, it's a fact. Edited July 12, 2013 by tenpennyisplainevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHigh11 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Is that the best way to sell your game ever? I can't imagine another developer saying something like this... Imagine Saints Row doing it. Haha (they should) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelhere9901 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) What "I". So now your using opinions to counter his argument. EDIT: You're, I meant. sh*t, I need to take a break from smoking this. Edited July 12, 2013 by nigelhere9901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) What I call a milestone in the history of gaming is a game that does something revolutionary that influences a lot of other games. Oh, really? What games did MGS influence then? Splinter Cell and Assassin Creed? That's 2. Hitman? 3. Still nothing compared to the countless Open world games that blatantly copied GTA after III's success. And don't tell me ''its not about the Stealth, its about the extensive immersion blah blah blah''' because like I said before, it is purely subjetive. Opinions differ. Deal with it. Edit: Not an opinion, its a fact I knew you were going to resort to this eventually, haha. I was like you back in the day. Grow up. Edited July 12, 2013 by Gtaghost22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHigh11 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 When I think of a sandbox game, I think of GTA. And GTA III was the game that started it all in a 3d world. If you don't call that a gaming milestone, fine. What I call a milestone in the history of gaming is a game that does something revolutionary that influences a lot of other games. GTA III was 'just' extremely popular and an awesome game. It's like saying Gangnam Style is a milestone in music because it broke the views recond on YT (not sure if it was that song), while really songs like Child in Time from Deep Purple or Stairway to Heaven from Led Zeppelin are among the milestones. At least that's how I think about milestones, they gotta have influence. And btw, I know the comparison might seem like I'm trashtalking GTA, but to clarify GTA is at least as good as MGS. This is a great article that explains much better than I ever could why GTA III wasn't just a popular game and that it did influence other games. http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1098680/g...ng_forever.html Really? GTA III didn't influence other games? C'mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenpennyisplainevil Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 When I think of a sandbox game, I think of GTA. And GTA III was the game that started it all in a 3d world. If you don't call that a gaming milestone, fine. What I call a milestone in the history of gaming is a game that does something revolutionary that influences a lot of other games. GTA III was 'just' extremely popular and an awesome game. It's like saying Gangnam Style is a milestone in music because it broke the views recond on YT (not sure if it was that song), while really songs like Child in Time from Deep Purple or Stairway to Heaven from Led Zeppelin are among the milestones. At least that's how I think about milestones, they gotta have influence. And btw, I know the comparison might seem like I'm trashtalking GTA, but to clarify GTA is at least as good as MGS. @gtaghost22 Not an opinion, it's a fact. Oh, really? What games did MGS influence then? Splinter Cell and Assassin Creed? That's 2. Hitman? 3. Still nothing compared to the countless Open world games that blatantly copied GTA after III's success. And don't tell me ''its not about the Stealth, its about the extensive immersion blah blah blah''' because like I said before, it is purely subjetive. Opinions differ. Deal with it. Again: stealth was not what MGS1 is a milestone for. And you can call it an opinion all you want, but it's a fact. No discussion possible. Go look it up before you make something up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelhere9901 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 What I call a milestone.@gtaghost22 Not an opinion, it's a fact. The contradiction/irony is intriguing indeed. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAVwillbeEPIC Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 When I think of a sandbox game, I think of GTA. And GTA III was the game that started it all in a 3d world. If you don't call that a gaming milestone, fine. What I call a milestone in the history of gaming is a game that does something revolutionary that influences a lot of other games. GTA III was 'just' extremely popular and an awesome game. It's like saying Gangnam Style is a milestone in music because it broke the views recond on YT (not sure if it was that song), while really songs like Child in Time from Deep Purple or Stairway to Heaven from Led Zeppelin are among the milestones. At least that's how I think about milestones, they gotta have influence. And btw, I know the comparison might seem like I'm trashtalking GTA, but to clarify GTA is at least as good as MGS. @gtaghost22 Not an opinion, it's a fact. Oh, really? What games did MGS influence then? Splinter Cell and Assassin Creed? That's 2. Hitman? 3. Still nothing compared to the countless Open world games that blatantly copied GTA after III's success. And don't tell me ''its not about the Stealth, its about the extensive immersion blah blah blah''' because like I said before, it is purely subjetive. Opinions differ. Deal with it. Again: stealth was not what MGS1 is a milestone for. And you can call it an opinion all you want, but it's a fact. No discussion possible. Go look it up before you make something up again So what is it? It's NOT open world, it's linear and has too many cutscenes. GTA is open world, it's not linear and has lots of cutscenes but to an extent, and they are enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 And you can call it an opinion all you want, but it's a fact. It is an opinion. You think MGS is a milestone in gaming history. I think GTA III is a milestone in gaming history. Opinions; not facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenpennyisplainevil Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 @Acehigh What I see is a game that was ahead of its time quality wise, but... I just don't know about influence. It did really influence True Crime, Saints Row and now Watch Dogs. I guess it could be called a milestone for combining shooting with driving @nigelhere I didn't simply contradict him, I said he should look it up because it IS a fact. Tunnelvision much? @GTAVwillbeepic Go away, the big boys are talking. @gtaghost I deliberately said that you should look it up, but I see you chose to be oblivious to facts and live in your own little world. Have luck with that. And a milestone is not completely an opinion. You can set minimum standards for milestones, but you can't say III is a milestone and MGS1 is not, because MGS has more influence than III. Therefore, if you say III is a milestone, so is MGS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodrich266 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Well, MGS is great in its own Genre! But I like how he admires Rockstar like any of us fans over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 And a milestone is not completely an opinion. You can set minimum standards for milestones 'You'? Who is that 'You' to set a minimum standard? Why him? Why can't I, you, or my cat set it instead? Yep. Like I said, its just an opinion. Doesn't matter if its the opinion of millions of people. Still just an opinion; not a fact. but you can't say III is a milestone and MGS1 is not, because MGS has more influence than III. Another opinion, yet again. Therefore, if you say III is a milestone, so is MGS. ...and vice-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelhere9901 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Yep. Like I said, its just an opinion. Doesn't matter if its the opinion of millions of people. Still just an opinion; not a fact. I consider an opinion as an opinion as well, regardless what the majority prefers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetopper Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The one thing that made me put down Metal Gears was Sons of Liberty. Although the new MGS looks intriguing as hell. The action, which is the genre rather than open world, is way short. In Sons of Liberty you had action for five minutes followed by a cutscene lasting 15. And then you had trips to sillyville after THEY KILLED A KID. The game just got yappity yap stupid after that. Seriously as good as the games "look" they suffer everyplace else. Hideo needs to get it out of his system and just make a movie rather than an interactive one. And cutscenes, if you fail the mission, which was a simple order of just finding a man, you had to watch the lengthy, blah blah blah yappity yap fest AGAIN. In which I was able to gather up my clothes, go down stairs, put them in the washer, come up stairs, do my dishes, and they were still talking. A bit much. All in all, the only competition GTAV has even though the new installment of MGS looks stellar is Watch Dogs. Then again and in smart move during a slow economy, R* releases a bad ass title on current gens. GOD DAMN SMART! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel311 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/29/3706310/...jima-metal-gear Hideo mentions how GTA III taught him about exploration in open world gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKMoneyShizzle Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The one thing that made me put down Metal Gears was Sons of Liberty. Although the new MGS looks intriguing as hell. The action, which is the genre rather than open world, is way short. In Sons of Liberty you had action for five minutes followed by a cutscene lasting 15. And then you had trips to sillyville after THEY KILLED A KID. The game just got yappity yap stupid after that. Seriously as good as the games "look" they suffer everyplace else. Hideo needs to get it out of his system and just make a movie rather than an interactive one. And cutscenes, if you fail the mission, which was a simple order of just finding a man, you had to watch the lengthy, blah blah blah yappity yap fest AGAIN. In which I was able to gather up my clothes, go down stairs, put them in the washer, come up stairs, do my dishes, and they were still talking. A bit much. All in all, the only competition GTAV has even though the new installment of MGS looks stellar is Watch Dogs. Then again and in smart move during a slow economy, R* releases a bad ass title on current gens. GOD DAMN SMART! you sound like a gamer that needs instant gratification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Valor Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) MGS is my favorite franchise after GTA. As others have said, I bought my PS3 for MGS4 and GTA IV, and I plan to wrap up this gen (and transition to the next) with MGS5 and GTA V. Kojima's "V" looks stellar and an open world MGS is pretty much the only gaming prospect that excites me atm besides GTA V. That said, Kojima is simply keeping it real. R* are the best and Kojima has already stated how GTA III blew his mind when it was released. I'm not the least bit surprised he's as impressed with V as we are. It's obviously going to be the best and most complex game on the market come September and Kojima will be playing it along with the rest of us. This isn't to say MGS5 won't be great as well, or that Kojima is not a very accomplished developer in his own right. MGS1 was mind blowing with how cinematic and immersive it was, while simultaneously breaking the fourth wall in bizarre, unprecedented ways (e.g., switching controller ports to fight Psycho Mantis). The criticism MGS faces from GTAF members is frankly ridiculous. Yes, there are lots of cut scenes. However, these scenes can be skipped, making this criticism invalid. When you are playing (as opposed to watching) MGS, the gameplay is always brilliant. That's why, unlike other developers, Kojima has the integrity and self-confidence to acknowledge not only what a great game V is, but that it is truly the best. There is no shame in being second to the best. MGS is still an amazing franchise (MGS5 looks to be the best yet) and I think Kojima shows a lot of class by expressing his admiration for the unparalleled marvel that is GTA V. Edited July 12, 2013 by Dick Valor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceRay Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Honestly this just makes me respect Hideo more for his humility and integrity. Could you imagine the head of Bioware coming out and saying "look, I've just got to say that Skyrim has beaten the sh*t out of our game." This just makes me want to play MGSV even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenpennyisplainevil Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 And a milestone is not completely an opinion. You can set minimum standards for milestones 'You'? Who is that 'You' to set a minimum standard? Why him? Why can't I, you, or my cat set it instead? Yep. Like I said, its just an opinion. Doesn't matter if its the opinion of millions of people. Still just an opinion; not a fact. but you can't say III is a milestone and MGS1 is not, because MGS has more influence than III. Another opinion, yet again. Therefore, if you say III is a milestone, so is MGS. ...and vice-versa. I said, YOU can set the MINIMUM amount of influence needed for a game to be called a milestone. As a matter of FACT, MGS1 had more influence on gaming than III, so you can't say III is a milestone and MGS1 isn't. Quit your tunnelvision and look at the entire comment instead of picking out parts that favour you and ignoring the rest. @DickValor You know what you're talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukijs Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 MGS is one of the best game series and father of stealth and I personally love it..I grew up with MGS on PSOne and GTA's on PS2. MGS V and GTA V are only games I have pre ordered and I dont think that since MGS went open world it should be compared to GTA,different more mature theme,setting etc and I cant wait to play both of them. Kojima should stop being such a pussy and step up his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sleepy Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Each to their opinion obviously, but I don't see GTA III as a milestone in the gaming industry, GTA VC was a rip-off of Scarface and SA had it's dumb-ass unrealistic story. IV's story was good, and graphics were fabulous at the time, but the gameplay sucked ass, all of these are my opinion and some share mine. I don't know about MGS since I never played MGS and don't intend to due to its long cutscenes, I hate that, I hated it in Max Payne 3 A LOT. So, uh.. GTA is a popular series due to their controversies that made GTA III famous, people liked the game and stuck throughout the years with it. But that doesn't dismiss the fact that Rockstar are good at making their games. Especially RDR The Mona Lisa of gaming IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefantome Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Koji,a is a nice movie director butmhemcan't competemin games with gta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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