Revolvers

[Teh Edgiest Man on Earth]

I would like to see a MP412 rex and a Colt Anaconda in the game, I love revolvers

 

MP412 REX:

 

Colt Anaconda:

MP12 REX could be great if it was in Russian mob's hands or it could be imported and sold in the black market

[Siciliano Don]

Glad to see people agree that revolvers need to make a return    I think that there should be at least two, one bigger one (44 mag) and a smaller concealed one (38. special)

 

This is the Ruger LCR which is a smaller revolver that chambers a 38. round

 

And this is the Smith and Wesson model 29 which is chambered in 44. magnum (I picked model 29 because of the wood grips)

 

I think something like this could work very well in GTA.

i wouldnt try to kill a dog with the snub nosed 38, however the bottom gun is the gun used by clint eastwood from the dirty harry movies. i dont know why this wouldnt be in the game.

Don't under estimate .357 or .38 in a snub nose, they kick pretty good. .38 isn't a bad round when it comes to firepower. Rounds like .500 and .44 aren't very practical when it comes to carrying

but this is GTA so who cares

i own more guns than you do t shirts. the .38 is underpowered, that why no one uses them anymore. not only is the round already underpowered, but the short barrel of the snub nose takes hundreds of feet per second off the advertised velocity of your ammo as well as hundreds of ft/lbs of muzzle energy from a round that only had a few hundred or less to begin with.

 

38 snub nose ballistics

 

the .38 ammo they used in that example produced 32 ft/lbs of muzzle energy... for comparison you need at least 500ft/lbs of muzzle energy from your gun/ammo combination to handgun hunt deer in illinois. thats less than one tenth of the legal muzzle energy. another eye opening comparison is the fact that most .22lr loads produce 100 to 200ft/lbs of muzzle energy. the .38 is greatly underpowered as a defensive cartridge. that isnt opinion, its fact.

 

 

 

the 500 s&w and the 44 remington magnum are very practical especially when youre in bear country. most .44mag loads produce anywhere from 1000 to 1500ft/lbs of muzzle energy and to be totally honest the 500 dwarfs the 44 with the 500 producing anywhere from 2500 to 3000ft/lbs of muzzle energy. police vests will not stop either one of these rounds due to the velocity and weight of the round. they are very useful tools used in the right context. you dont see deer hunters hunting with 9mm or 40s&w or 45acp because they simply do not compare with rounds like the 44magnum, 454 casull, 460 xvr, 500s&w and you definitely dont see anyone hunting with a 38!lol there is a reason police moved away from the 38 a long time ago... its sh*t for stopping someone quickly, barring a headshot which is very difficult to do when you are shooting at someone whos shooting back.

No need to be hostile dude, I'm sure you own more guns than I do, because I only target shoot and have guns for home defense. I'm a police officer, with that being said I don't train with rounds like .500 or .44.

We train with mostly 9mm in Glocks and the occasional .357 in revolvers. I'm not talking about hunting, a .38 can take care of business as could any round technically.

I don't think if I shot you with a .38 you would be in good condition. Maybe you would be more right if I was using a 22. but a .38 is a perfectly good revolver round along with 357. and many people use them for self defense. I don't expect to be defending my self with a snub nose .38 at 50 feet. You are right, it is not the BEST round

but it does kill. Not trying to be hostile just stating my opinion as I've seen the damage a .38 round can deal through a 3 in barrel.

[Siciliano Don]

Max Payne 3 had a 38. revolver that was pretty good (Remember we are talking about video games) and I think it could be reused or implemented.

[kjacked]

 

Glad to see people agree that revolvers need to make a return    I think that there should be at least two, one bigger one (44 mag) and a smaller concealed one (38. special)

 

This is the Ruger LCR which is a smaller revolver that chambers a 38. round

 

And this is the Smith and Wesson model 29 which is chambered in 44. magnum (I picked model 29 because of the wood grips)

 

I think something like this could work very well in GTA.

i wouldnt try to kill a dog with the snub nosed 38, however the bottom gun is the gun used by clint eastwood from the dirty harry movies. i dont know why this wouldnt be in the game.

Don't under estimate .357 or .38 in a snub nose, they kick pretty good. .38 isn't a bad round when it comes to firepower. Rounds like .500 and .44 aren't very practical when it comes to carrying

but this is GTA so who cares

i own more guns than you do t shirts. the .38 is underpowered, that why no one uses them anymore. not only is the round already underpowered, but the short barrel of the snub nose takes hundreds of feet per second off the advertised velocity of your ammo as well as hundreds of ft/lbs of muzzle energy from a round that only had a few hundred or less to begin with.

 

38 snub nose ballistics

 

the .38 ammo they used in that example produced 32 ft/lbs of muzzle energy... for comparison you need at least 500ft/lbs of muzzle energy from your gun/ammo combination to handgun hunt deer in illinois. thats less than one tenth of the legal muzzle energy. another eye opening comparison is the fact that most .22lr loads produce 100 to 200ft/lbs of muzzle energy. the .38 is greatly underpowered as a defensive cartridge. that isnt opinion, its fact.

 

 

 

the 500 s&w and the 44 remington magnum are very practical especially when youre in bear country. most .44mag loads produce anywhere from 1000 to 1500ft/lbs of muzzle energy and to be totally honest the 500 dwarfs the 44 with the 500 producing anywhere from 2500 to 3000ft/lbs of muzzle energy. police vests will not stop either one of these rounds due to the velocity and weight of the round. they are very useful tools used in the right context. you dont see deer hunters hunting with 9mm or 40s&w or 45acp because they simply do not compare with rounds like the 44magnum, 454 casull, 460 xvr, 500s&w and you definitely dont see anyone hunting with a 38!lol there is a reason police moved away from the 38 a long time ago... its sh*t for stopping someone quickly, barring a headshot which is very difficult to do when you are shooting at someone whos shooting back.

No need to be hostile dude, I'm sure you own more guns than I do, because I only target shoot and have guns for home defense. I'm a police officer, with that being said I don't train with rounds like .500 or .44.

We train with mostly 9mm in Glocks and the occasional .357 in revolvers. I'm not talking about hunting, a .38 can take care of business as could any round technically.

I don't think if I shot you with a .38 you would be in good condition. Maybe you would be more right if I was using a 22. but a .38 is a perfectly good revolver round along with 357. and many people use them for self defense. I don't expect to be defending my self with a snub nose .38 at 50 feet. You are right, it is not the BEST round

but it does kill. Not trying to be hostile just stating my opinion as I've seen the damage a .38 round can deal through a 3 in barrel.

ninja, what part of my post was hostile? and where exactly are you a law enforcement officer? i have many many friends that are law enforcement officers (state police, franklin county sheriffs deputies, local township officers, siu campus police officers, tactical respons team members) and ive never known any of them or their agencies to still shoot revolvers in any chambering and ive also never seen a cop that carried anything but a glock model 22 which is chambered for the 40s&w. im sure there are agencies out there that use the glock 17 (9mm) but you guys still use revolvers?

 

also, i never said i wanted to be shot with a 38, i said it was greatly underpowered. the example i posted of the ballistics of a 38snub nose had 32ft/lbs of muzzle energy and a muzzle velocity of 299fps! thats less than most paintball and pellet guns. any other mainstream chambering out there dwarfs the 38 in performance (9mm, 40s&w, 45gap, 45acp, 357mag, 44mag). yes the 38 can kill but it usually requires a head shot or a direct hit to a main artery. in the 299fps 32ft/lbs example given earlier it wouldnt have enough power or speed to make it through my chest and into a heart or lung! i agree shot placement is much more important than what cartidge is used but if you are truly a cop and have ever had to fire on someone in the line of duty you know your aim isnt nearly as good in real life situations as it is at the range and since that is the case why would someone limit themselves to the heavily underpowered 38?

 

i realize this is a videogame, but true to real life as well as the videogame they only advantage of a revolver over a semi auto is reliability and power... ive never had a gun jam on me in a gta game so throw reliability out the window and lets talk about power. if they include a revolver in the game i want a bear killer cartridge, not a 38. however, maybe it could be fun to shoot someone 5 or 6 times and watch them stumble away and some people may honestly like the challenge of the underpowered 38. to each his own

Edited June 26, 2013 by kjacked

[CryptReaperDorian]

 

As long as the M1911's in the game (and it's actually GOOD, not like a weak start out weapon), I'm fine with anything. They did say that they had a lot of weapons in the game (and the minigun's confirmed, so a revolver is kind of a certainty).

Oh sh*t that bothers the hell out of me. When a 1911 (chambered in 45 acp) does less damage than a 9mm -_- Seriously?

Realistically speaking, the terminal ballistics of the 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP rounds aren't that far apart. The .45 ACP is slightly better the majority of the time, but only slightly. Where the 9x19mm Parabellum lacks in bullet size and weight, it makes up for in muzzle velocity. Also, with the smaller overall size of the cartridge, the 9x19mm Parabellum round allows more to be carried on the person and in a magazine. Max Payne 3 is one of the very few games that got this correct.

 

Here's a case where the .45 ACP did worse than the 9x19mm Parabellum round.

 

[Siciliano Don]

Glad to see people agree that revolvers need to make a return    I think that there should be at least two, one bigger one (44 mag) and a smaller concealed one (38. special)

 

This is the Ruger LCR which is a smaller revolver that chambers a 38. round

 

And this is the Smith and Wesson model 29 which is chambered in 44. magnum (I picked model 29 because of the wood grips)

 

I think something like this could work very well in GTA.

i wouldnt try to kill a dog with the snub nosed 38, however the bottom gun is the gun used by clint eastwood from the dirty harry movies. i dont know why this wouldnt be in the game.

Don't under estimate .357 or .38 in a snub nose, they kick pretty good. .38 isn't a bad round when it comes to firepower. Rounds like .500 and .44 aren't very practical when it comes to carrying

but this is GTA so who cares

i own more guns than you do t shirts. the .38 is underpowered, that why no one uses them anymore. not only is the round already underpowered, but the short barrel of the snub nose takes hundreds of feet per second off the advertised velocity of your ammo as well as hundreds of ft/lbs of muzzle energy from a round that only had a few hundred or less to begin with.

 

38 snub nose ballistics

 

the .38 ammo they used in that example produced 32 ft/lbs of muzzle energy... for comparison you need at least 500ft/lbs of muzzle energy from your gun/ammo combination to handgun hunt deer in illinois. thats less than one tenth of the legal muzzle energy. another eye opening comparison is the fact that most .22lr loads produce 100 to 200ft/lbs of muzzle energy. the .38 is greatly underpowered as a defensive cartridge. that isnt opinion, its fact.

 

 

 

the 500 s&w and the 44 remington magnum are very practical especially when youre in bear country. most .44mag loads produce anywhere from 1000 to 1500ft/lbs of muzzle energy and to be totally honest the 500 dwarfs the 44 with the 500 producing anywhere from 2500 to 3000ft/lbs of muzzle energy. police vests will not stop either one of these rounds due to the velocity and weight of the round. they are very useful tools used in the right context. you dont see deer hunters hunting with 9mm or 40s&w or 45acp because they simply do not compare with rounds like the 44magnum, 454 casull, 460 xvr, 500s&w and you definitely dont see anyone hunting with a 38!lol there is a reason police moved away from the 38 a long time ago... its sh*t for stopping someone quickly, barring a headshot which is very difficult to do when you are shooting at someone whos shooting back.

No need to be hostile dude, I'm sure you own more guns than I do, because I only target shoot and have guns for home defense. I'm a police officer, with that being said I don't train with rounds like .500 or .44.

We train with mostly 9mm in Glocks and the occasional .357 in revolvers. I'm not talking about hunting, a .38 can take care of business as could any round technically.

I don't think if I shot you with a .38 you would be in good condition. Maybe you would be more right if I was using a 22. but a .38 is a perfectly good revolver round along with 357. and many people use them for self defense. I don't expect to be defending my self with a snub nose .38 at 50 feet. You are right, it is not the BEST round

but it does kill. Not trying to be hostile just stating my opinion as I've seen the damage a .38 round can deal through a 3 in barrel.

ninja, what part of my post was hostile? and where exactly are you a law enforcement officer? i have many many friends that are law enforcement officers (state police, franklin county sheriffs deputies, local township officers, siu campus police officers, tactical respons team members) and ive never known any of them or their agencies to still shoot revolvers in any chambering and ive also never seen a cop that carried anything but a glock model 22 which is chambered for the 40s&w. im sure there are agencies out there that use the glock 17 (9mm) but you guys still use revolvers?

 

also, i never said i wanted to be shot with a 38, i said it was greatly underpowered. the example i posted of the ballistics of a 38snub nose had 32ft/lbs of muzzle energy and a muzzle velocity of 299fps! thats less than most paintball and pellet guns. any other mainstream chambering out there dwarfs the 38 in performance (9mm, 40s&w, 45gap, 45acp, 357mag, 44mag). yes the 38 can kill but it usually requires a head shot or a direct hit to a main artery. in the 299fps 32ft/lbs example given earlier it wouldnt have enough power or speed to make it through my chest and into a heart or lung! i agree shot placement is much more important than what cartidge is used but if you are truly a cop and have ever had to fire on someone in the line of duty you know your aim isnt nearly as good in real life situations as it is at the range and since that is the case why would someone limit themselves to the heavily underpowered 38?

Ah, perhaps I should've been more clear my bad I USED revolver previously when I used to work for the Fish and Boat commission in PA. We used a Ruger GP100 chambered in .357, but I preferred to use .38 because I had the 4.20 barrel version, and less recoil made me more accurate. Probably a baby move, but I felt my accuracy was more important at the time. Now I work for the city and we use the G37 chambered in 45. GAP which I enjoy as well. The only options at the commission were a Ruger GP100 or a Beretta 92FS, and I don't like the 92, with the exception of the Brigadier version used by special forces. And yes I do know that accuracy is not nearly as good in real situations but I'd still like to be accurate as possible. Recovery time from a shot was always a big deal for me and I don't know why. I'm not bashing any .44 or .500 because their power is amazing, but to me the fire power is hard to conceal without a massive amount of recoil which is why I prefer .38 or .357.

[kjacked]

 

As long as the M1911's in the game (and it's actually GOOD, not like a weak start out weapon), I'm fine with anything. They did say that they had a lot of weapons in the game (and the minigun's confirmed, so a revolver is kind of a certainty).

Oh sh*t that bothers the hell out of me. When a 1911 (chambered in 45 acp) does less damage than a 9mm -_- Seriously?

Realistically speaking, the terminal ballistics of the 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP rounds aren't that far apart. The .45 ACP is slightly better the majority of the time, but only slightly. Where the 9x19mm Parabellum lacks in bullet size and weight, it makes up for in muzzle velocity. Also, with the smaller overall size of the cartridge, the 9x19mm Parabellum round allows more to be carried on the person and in a magazine. Max Payne 3 is one of the very few games that got this correct.

 

Here's a case where the .45 ACP did worse than the 9x19mm Parabellum round.

 

you make a valid point, as far as ft/lbs go the 45 and 9mm are very similar. the 45acp is a large slow round and the 9mm is a small and very fast round. i also like how you pointed out the greatly increased magazine capacity of the 9mm over the 45acp as that is also a very valid point. the only argument for 45 over a 9mm is it puts a bigger hole in the target and the round usually stops in the target and therfore dumps all of its energy into the target. the 9mm has a tendency to overpenetrate due to the small diameter of the bullet its very high velocity causing it to exit the target which means it wasted some of its energy. other than that, they are very similar energy wise

 

@ninja, i too own a gp100 in 357. i bought the stainless with the 6in barrel years ago. one of my favorite guns and very accurate and i commend you on stepping down to the .38 if you were that much more accurate with it. out of a 4in barrel the ballistics would be much better than the example i posted earlier and accuracy is much more important than what cartidge you are using.

Edited June 26, 2013 by kjacked

[Siciliano Don]

As long as the M1911's in the game (and it's actually GOOD, not like a weak start out weapon), I'm fine with anything. They did say that they had a lot of weapons in the game (and the minigun's confirmed, so a revolver is kind of a certainty).

Oh sh*t that bothers the hell out of me. When a 1911 (chambered in 45 acp) does less damage than a 9mm -_- Seriously?

Realistically speaking, the terminal ballistics of the 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP rounds aren't that far apart. The .45 ACP is slightly better the majority of the time, but only slightly. Where the 9x19mm Parabellum lacks in bullet size and weight, it makes up for in muzzle velocity. Also, with the smaller overall size of the cartridge, the 9x19mm Parabellum round allows more to be carried on the person and in a magazine. Max Payne 3 is one of the very few games that got this correct.

 

Here's a case where the .45 ACP did worse than the 9x19mm Parabellum round.

 

you make a valid point, as far as ft/lbs go the 45 and 9mm are very similar. the 45acp is a large slow round and the 9mm is a small and very fast round. i also like how you pointed out the greatly increased magazine capacity of the 9mm over the 45acp as that is also a very valid point. the only argument for 45 over a 9mm is it puts a bigger hole in the target and the round usually stops in the target and therfore dumps all of its energy into the target. the 9mm has a tendency to overpenetrate due to the small diameter of the bullet its very high velocity causing it to exit the target which means it wasted some of its energy. other than that, they are very similar energy wise

 

@ninja, i too own a gp100 in 357. i bought the stainless with the 6in barrel years ago. one of my favorite guns and very accurate and i commend you on stepping down to the .38 if you were that much more accurate with it. out of a 4in barrel the ballistics would be much better than the example i posted earlier and accuracy is much more important than what cartidge you are using.

I'm glad we can agree on that, I'm no gun expert, that's for sure, So some of my points might be invalid.

[Siciliano Don]

As long as the M1911's in the game (and it's actually GOOD, not like a weak start out weapon), I'm fine with anything. They did say that they had a lot of weapons in the game (and the minigun's confirmed, so a revolver is kind of a certainty).

Oh sh*t that bothers the hell out of me. When a 1911 (chambered in 45 acp) does less damage than a 9mm -_- Seriously?

Realistically speaking, the terminal ballistics of the 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP rounds aren't that far apart. The .45 ACP is slightly better the majority of the time, but only slightly. Where the 9x19mm Parabellum lacks in bullet size and weight, it makes up for in muzzle velocity. Also, with the smaller overall size of the cartridge, the 9x19mm Parabellum round allows more to be carried on the person and in a magazine. Max Payne 3 is one of the very few games that got this correct.

 

Here's a case where the .45 ACP did worse than the 9x19mm Parabellum round.

 

I've preferred the 45 ACP as a defense round purely for the reason it does not usually have a exit through a target causing more internal damage then a round that will cleanly enter and exit a target. That video was fair and square and yes I do believe 9mm is a great round as well.

[kjacked]

As long as the M1911's in the game (and it's actually GOOD, not like a weak start out weapon), I'm fine with anything. They did say that they had a lot of weapons in the game (and the minigun's confirmed, so a revolver is kind of a certainty).

Oh sh*t that bothers the hell out of me. When a 1911 (chambered in 45 acp) does less damage than a 9mm -_- Seriously?

Realistically speaking, the terminal ballistics of the 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP rounds aren't that far apart. The .45 ACP is slightly better the majority of the time, but only slightly. Where the 9x19mm Parabellum lacks in bullet size and weight, it makes up for in muzzle velocity. Also, with the smaller overall size of the cartridge, the 9x19mm Parabellum round allows more to be carried on the person and in a magazine. Max Payne 3 is one of the very few games that got this correct.

 

Here's a case where the .45 ACP did worse than the 9x19mm Parabellum round.

 

you make a valid point, as far as ft/lbs go the 45 and 9mm are very similar. the 45acp is a large slow round and the 9mm is a small and very fast round. i also like how you pointed out the greatly increased magazine capacity of the 9mm over the 45acp as that is also a very valid point. the only argument for 45 over a 9mm is it puts a bigger hole in the target and the round usually stops in the target and therfore dumps all of its energy into the target. the 9mm has a tendency to overpenetrate due to the small diameter of the bullet its very high velocity causing it to exit the target which means it wasted some of its energy. other than that, they are very similar energy wise

 

@ninja, i too own a gp100 in 357. i bought the stainless with the 6in barrel years ago. one of my favorite guns and very accurate and i commend you on stepping down to the .38 if you were that much more accurate with it. out of a 4in barrel the ballistics would be much better than the example i posted earlier and accuracy is much more important than what cartidge you are using.

I'm glad we can agree on that, I'm no gun expert, that's for sure, So some of my points might be invalid.

no you have made valid points. just a little difference in opinion. i have a 25acp my grandpa brought back from ww2, its one of my favorite guns to shoot but i would never use it for self defense unless it was the only thing i had. i keep the glock 22 (40s&w) with tritium night sights on the nightstand. it holds 15+1 and i can aim it in the dark due to the glow in the dark sights. im also quite fond of my springfield armory 1911 range officer. I am most accurate with it due to the competition trigger and match barrel and bushings but the sights are too dark for night time use. my taurus 44 mag takes a close third. the long barrel (8 3/8in) makes for a long sight radius and the trigger is nice on it as well once you cock the hammer.

[CryptReaperDorian]

Even when it comes to penetration, the difference between the .45 ACP and 9x19mm Parabellum rounds is probably within an inch of each other. It surprises me (due to the mentioned smaller diameter and higher velocity), but I can possibly two reasons behind this. For one, the higher velocity of the Parabellum round probably makes it expand a little earlier, and thus it starts to decelerate earlier. Secondly, it is probably more likely to yaw due to its lighter weight, and thus that might also slow down the projectile. Ballistics really aren't simplistic. I believe that the over penetration issues with the Parabellum round generally come from military FMJs (since expanding ammo is banned from war). However, it should be noted that the Hardball (.45 ACP) also suffers from the same over penetration problems (both rounds in FMJ loads can pass through over two feet of ballistics gelatin). The simple fact is that traditional pistol ammo is meant to expand, and non-expanding ammo in traditional pistol calibers is almost always unsuitable for self defense.

 

When it comes down to it, both rounds are great for what they are. The 9x19mm Parabellum round is probably more versatile for general use, but the naturally subsonic .45 ACP round is much more suited for use with suppressors. Also, in the real world, you should go with what you shoot the best.

 

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As for revolvers, there are many I'd like to see. However, here are two that interest me the most.

 

The Mateba Autorevolver is a revolver that uses recoil energy and a slide to cock the hammer and rotate the cylinder. This gives it a very easy trigger pull since you'd be technically firing it in single-action.

http://matebafan.com/unica.html

 

The Medusa M47 is a revolver that can (shockingly) load and fire over 25 different cartridges. The amount of "customization" you would be able to do this revolver in term of ammo selection would be huge.

 

[jackass2009]

The CE (and SE I think) comes with a .50 pistol. They didn't show a screenshot of it, so it could be a ridiculously long revolver.

[kjacked]

 

Even when it comes to penetration, the difference between the .45 ACP and 9x19mm Parabellum rounds is probably within an inch of each other.  It surprises me (due to the mentioned smaller diameter and higher velocity), but I can possibly two reasons behind this.  For one, the higher velocity of the Parabellum round probably makes it expand a little earlier, and thus it starts to decelerate earlier.  Secondly, it is probably more likely to yaw due to its lighter weight, and thus that might also slow down the projectile.  Ballistics really aren't simplistic.  I believe that the over penetration issues with the Parabellum round generally come from military FMJs (since expanding ammo is banned from war).  However, it should be noted that the Hardball (.45 ACP) also suffers from the same over penetration problems (both rounds in FMJ loads can pass through over two feet of ballistics gelatin).  The simple fact is that traditional pistol ammo is meant to expand, and non-expanding ammo in traditional pistol calibers is almost always unsuitable for self defense.

 

When it comes down to it, both rounds are great for what they are.  The 9x19mm Parabellum round is probably more versatile for general use, but the naturally subsonic .45 ACP round is much more suited for use with suppressors.  Also, in the real world, you should go with what you shoot the best.

 

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As for revolvers, there are many I'd like to see.  However, here are two that interest me the most.

 

The Mateba Autorevolver is a revolver that uses recoil energy and a slide to cock the hammer and rotate the cylinder.  This gives it a very easy trigger pull since you'd be technically firing it in single-action.

http://matebafan.com/unica.html

 

The Medusa M47 is a revolver that can (shockingly) load and fire over 25 different cartridges.  The amount of "customization" you would be able to do this revolver in term of ammo selection would be huge.

 

indeed the gripes on overpenetration could be due to the fmj ammo. bullet penetration is one aspect that i wish was more realistic in gta games. i can shoot through large oak trees with fmj 308's yet my psg1 in gta iv wont penetrate a car door to kill or injure someone in the vehicle?

 

@jackass2009, if i had to guess id say its a desert eagle chambered for .50 Action Express, although it could be a BFR chambered in .50AE

Edited June 26, 2013 by kjacked

[.kiwi_4]

Colt Python>S&W .44 Magnum

[kjacked]

Colt Python>S&W .44 Magnum

colt python .357 magnum > smith and wesson 44 remington magnum? are you trolling or do you mean on aesthetics alone? clearly the .44magnum dwarfs the .357magnum in ballistic performance.

[Killerdude]

If we have a revolver to pay homage to RDR, why not a S&W Model 3?Something old for sure. Old revolvers are some of the prettiest guns of all time, imo.

[mbunleashed09]

maybe they will import guns from Max Payne 3, I'm pretty sure it had a revolver in that game

[Lock n' Stock]

 

Duel wielding those would be bad-ass.

Hear, hear.

[_L1pE_]

Max Payne 3 had a 38. revolver that was pretty good (Remember we are talking about video games) and I think it could be reused or implemented.

That .38 revolver was a S&W Model 20, which is .38/44 (predecessor to .357, so it's comparable in power to that), not .38 special.

 

And on the .45 ACP vs 9x19mm debate, why not use .40 S&W and have the best of both worlds?

[Siciliano Don]

Max Payne 3 had a 38. revolver that was pretty good (Remember we are talking about video games) and I think it could be reused or implemented.

That .38 revolver was a S&W Model 20, which is .38/44 (predecessor to .357, so it's comparable in power to that), not .38 special.

 

And on the .45 ACP vs 9x19mm debate, why not use .40 S&W and have the best of both worlds?

.38 is a very popular term when it comes to cartridges, so when Max Payne 3 referred to 38. they could have ment....

 

.38 Short Colt

.38 Long Colt

.38 S&W (.38 Colt New Police, .38 Super Police)

.380 Revolver

.38 Special (9 x 29mmR)

[kjacked]

Max Payne 3 had a 38. revolver that was pretty good (Remember we are talking about video games) and I think it could be reused or implemented.

That .38 revolver was a S&W Model 20, which is .38/44 (predecessor to .357, so it's comparable in power to that), not .38 special.

 

And on the .45 ACP vs 9x19mm debate, why not use .40 S&W and have the best of both worlds?

mainly because the chambering offers no advantage over either 9mm or the 45 and has substantially more recoil than the 9mm and less magazine capacity than the 9mm. the main advantage to a 45acp is the bigger hole it puts in the target and the heavier bullet it puts on the target so a 45 fan wouldnt downsize and the 9mm crowd would only be increasing their bullet size slightly while encountering much more recoil.

[Siciliano Don]

According to the MP3 wikia, the 38. did fire 38. special. That's an unofficial wiki though

[TurdsFTW]

YES!

 

Finally someone who cares about individual weapons, not the weapon stats themselves or customization capabilities.

 

Although, I do hope that Rockstar doesn't make the weapons shoot 0.0001 rounds per hour like they did with GTA IV.

[Siciliano Don]

YES!

 

Finally someone who cares about individual weapons, not the weapon stats themselves or customization capabilities.

 

Although, I do hope that Rockstar doesn't make the weapons shoot 0.0001 rounds per hour like they did with GTA IV.

It all depends on the weapon, really. I'm guessing with the shooting skill your rate of fire would change (trigger pull speed) and reload time as well.

[kjacked]

YES!

 

Finally someone who cares about individual weapons, not the weapon stats themselves or customization capabilities.

 

Although, I do hope that Rockstar doesn't make the weapons shoot 0.0001 rounds per hour like they did with GTA IV.

you know i never even thought of that til you just said it. thats an amazing point! the reduced rate of fire made the guns feel very cartoony. i hope they have realistic rates of fire and sounds. the movie heat is a perfect example of this. the final heist shootout in the city streets is amazing. brass and glass flying everywhere! if its anything like that then they get a thumbs up from me

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Max Payne 3 had a 38. revolver that was pretty good (Remember we are talking about video games) and I think it could be reused or implemented.

That .38 revolver was a S&W Model 20, which is .38/44 (predecessor to .357, so it's comparable in power to that), not .38 special.

 

And on the .45 ACP vs 9x19mm debate, why not use .40 S&W and have the best of both worlds?

mainly because the chambering offers no advantage over either 9mm or the 45 and has substantially more recoil than the 9mm and less magazine capacity than the 9mm. the main advantage to a 45acp is the bigger hole it puts in the target and the heavier bullet it puts on the target so a 45 fan wouldnt downsize and the 9mm crowd would only be increasing their bullet size slightly while encountering much more recoil.

 

From the test info I saw on these cartridges, .40 S&W's ballistics are pretty similar to .45 ACP's, and it gives considerably more capacity than .45 ACP, not much less than 9mm (e.g.: in a full size glock, it is 17 for 9mm and 15 for .40 S&W, in the compact H&K P30, it is 15 for 9mm and 13 for .40 S&W), though it seems to have snappier recoil than both 9mm and .45 ACP on some guns for some shooters, for others it just seems to recoil slightly more than 9mm.

 

 

According to the MP3 wikia, the 38. did fire 38. special. That's an unofficial wiki though 

 

Yeah, that same page also says it is a Model 20, which is a .38/44 revolver as I said before, though it looks exactly like a Model 10 as well: (compare this pic to the in-game model in the wiki page)

And the Model 10 is a .38 Special, regardless of what of these two cartridges it is, it seems in MP3 it does more damage than the .50AE Desert Eagle, which makes no sense for either of them even if it would be more ridiculous for the .38 Special, I really don't see the point of putting a certain cartridge in a game if it is not gonna work even remotely like its real life counter part.

[ugotsmoked]

I want this kind of revolver which makes our sniper rifles obsolete...

 

[kjacked]

 

Max Payne 3 had a 38. revolver that was pretty good (Remember we are talking about video games) and I think it could be reused or implemented.

That .38 revolver was a S&W Model 20, which is .38/44 (predecessor to .357, so it's comparable in power to that), not .38 special.

 

And on the .45 ACP vs 9x19mm debate, why not use .40 S&W and have the best of both worlds?

mainly because the chambering offers no advantage over either 9mm or the 45 and has substantially more recoil than the 9mm and less magazine capacity than the 9mm. the main advantage to a 45acp is the bigger hole it puts in the target and the heavier bullet it puts on the target so a 45 fan wouldnt downsize and the 9mm crowd would only be increasing their bullet size slightly while encountering much more recoil.

 

From the test info I saw on these cartridges, .40 S&W's ballistics are pretty similar to .45 ACP's, and it gives considerably more capacity than .45 ACP, not much less than 9mm (e.g.: in a full size glock, it is 17 for 9mm and 15 for .40 S&W, in the compact H&K P30, it is 15 for 9mm and 13 for .40 S&W), though it seems to have snappier recoil than both 9mm and .45 ACP on some guns for some shooters, for others it just seems to recoil slightly more than 9mm.

 

 

According to the MP3 wikia, the 38. did fire 38. special. That's an unofficial wiki though 

 

Yeah, that same page also says it is a Model 20, which is a .38/44 revolver as I said before, though it looks exactly like a Model 10 as well: (compare this pic to the in-game model in the wiki page)

And the Model 10 is a .38 Special, regardless of what of these two cartridges it is, it seems in MP3 it does more damage than the .50AE Desert Eagle, which makes no sense for either of them even if it would be more ridiculous for the .38 Special, I really don't see the point of putting a certain cartridge in a game if it is not gonna work even remotely like its real life counter part.

in similar bullet weights they do indeed have very similar ballistics, but the bullet selection for 45acp goes much heavier than that of the 40s&w. i can attest to the fact that my glock model 22 40S&W recoils much more than my 1911 in 45acp. there are likely more factors in play than just the cartridges though. my 1911 weighs quite a bit more than my glock.

 

this pretty well goes hand in hand with what i said earlier. 40 offers no real advantage over 45 or 9mm. if its not broke, dont fix it.

 

@ugotsmoke, not hardly. while im sure that is a very powerful handgun, handguns do not compare to rifles in power. as i said in another thread i have shot through many oaks trees all they way up to somewhere in the ballpark of 3 feet thick with my .308 winchester. id love to see a handgun do that and to be honest a 308 winchester isnt really even that stout for a rifle cartridge.

Edited June 27, 2013 by kjacked

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I believe the only revolver in GTA history was the 44. in Vice City. I think revolvers should serve a niche in GTA as a powerful, but slow gun. Sort of like a mini shotgun, in the sense it's slow but powerful. A normal handgun in GTA (Glock) shoots a 9mm as it would seem. A 357. or 44. would blow that away! (Literally )

I'm glad someone else thinks what I think! There needs to be another revolver in gta! There was one in vice city stories also (the equalizer) but not one in an hd gta game. I just want a really big ass revolver like a judge or something.

[_StackS_]

 

I want this kind of revolver which makes our sniper rifles obsolete...

 

They had something greatly similar to this in vice city stories called the equalizer