2405 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no evidence that R*'s placement of LS is at the bottom of the map. In the previews, they said they were north of the city when they jumped out of the plane and they didn't mention seeing anything south of the city. Plus, there doesn't seem to be any land south of the city on the blueprint. Did you really just give the blueprint as an example. Take another look at the blue print buddy, the way it's rolled puts LS at the north end of the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Theft Savage Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Being optimistic here, but I personally hope they do give us a San Diego. Amazing location for a video game. And it would make more sense that having an underwhelming sized Los Santos and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
florisinfernus Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no evidence that R*'s placement of LS is at the bottom of the map. In the previews, they said they were north of the city when they jumped out of the plane and they didn't mention seeing anything south of the city. Plus, there doesn't seem to be any land south of the city on the blueprint. Did you really just give the blueprint as an example. Take another look at the blue print buddy, the way it's rolled puts LS at the north end of the map. The blueprint is photoshopped. It gives no info about the placement of LS whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njale Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 some people here will be really disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilrex Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) I'd rather see more hills and wilderness. I'm pretty sure that is what will be, considering the fact Rockstar have already said outside of the city we'll see 'hills, countryside and beaches'. Why on earth would they say this if it is false? Some people just seem to forget/ignore the fact that Rockstar have ruled out any other cities from day one. Edited June 12, 2013 by evilrex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aly Zaroon Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 San Diego comes with dlc1 maybe and this los puerta fwy will be land lock like AC series or maybe with barricades like old GTA had and only way you can pass through if you buy DLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enjoithepain Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I doubt it it's not a very well noticed or popular part of Cali. ummmm....what? San Diego is one of the most popular places in California, it is just overshadowed by Los Angeles because of Hollywood and such. i would be stoked if SD was in the game, since that's where I live, but that screen really doesn't prove anything. Let's just wait until we have the game (or R*confrims it) to see if it actually is in the game. In my opinion, it probably won't be in the game because they said that Los Santos will be the only major city. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidAmnesiac42 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 You're onto..nothing. Just cause it has 619? man that'random numbers nor does the license have relevance. Reaching. As I pointed out, it wasn't just the license plate. I'm from SD and that sign stuck out at me instantly. After googling the gaslamp sign I concluded that it certainly shows some resemblance. Furthermore, Salvation Mtn was confirmed today, which is much closer to SD than LA. GTA does take things from the surrounding areas. But I don't think SD is in, I doubt it it's not a very well noticed or popular part of Cali. San Diego is the second largest city in California and one of the top tourist destinations in the country... What are you talking about it's not a popular part of Cali, you obviously aren't from this area... Speak what you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidAmnesiac42 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I dare to bet that even less people know the Salton Sea area. Besides San Diego is the 8th biggest city of the US, it's bigger than San Francisco. Yeah, but the Salton Sea area has something unique to offer. It's an interesting area. San Diego has very little to offer when you already have LA. I beg to differ, San Diego has a lot to offer, unique things. A simple google search would reveal this. Thank you! San Diego has tons of things to offer. People who don't live here or who've never even been should not even comment. Just stop. Now. Stop. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidAmnesiac42 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Why San Diego (SD) R* is in San Diego Worlds largest navy base is in San Diego (including 4 military air fields) West coast home of the Marine Corps separates SD from LA (one more military air field) SD borders Mexico SD is closer to Salton Sea This Gas Lamp signage And most importantly the freaking blue print map has Los Santos near the top of the map. The first person to render a copy of the map looked at the SE edition which is a mirror image of the actual map and failed to observe the proper orientation. No big deal as most people have a hard time understanding maps, but it's led everyone to believe that Los Santos is in the southern portion if the map when it's really in the norther portion of the map. These are some valid points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Squirrel PT Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 But San Diego could never be north of LS, since it borders Mexico and all. Most likely they're taking bits of it and blending them into South Los Santos. Maybe that road going south on the blueprint is just the continuation of the city. Besides, what would be the point of having Mexico at the very southern tip of the map? It's like, LS, SD, Mexico, and then boom, the ocean? Doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTALE Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Los Santos being more north on the map? Hmmmm. Never thought of that. Blaine County.... Los Santos and Blaine County... what if Blaine County included... San Diego? Nooo.... San Diego is in SD County. Los Angeles is in LA County..... but still, I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aly Zaroon Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) This new screen reminds me verdant meadows GTA V GTA S.A Edited June 13, 2013 by Aiden Pierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrushLTx10 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) The last couple of posts have interested me. The only thing I am sure of is that cutoff road leads to the Port of Long Beach. Compare the blueprint to the real life map of LA and you will find it based off the 710 freeway that feeds into the Port of Long beach. No way that road is major enough to feed into another city. As for the other posts, such as Los Santos is in the North and we have put the Alamo Sea in the wrong spot unless those are proven wrong that's good speculation. Wasn't there a screenshot showing the area behind the Vinewood sign? It had the Alamo Sea North of the Vinewood sign though. Here it is. Apparently the Alamo Sea is lying amongst the mist and fog in top section of this photo, past the Vinewood sign, above the helicopter blades. Edited June 13, 2013 by KrushLTx10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choco Taco Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I dare to bet that even less people know the Salton Sea area. Besides San Diego is the 8th biggest city of the US, it's bigger than San Francisco. Yeah, but the Salton Sea area has something unique to offer. It's an interesting area. San Diego has very little to offer when you already have LA. I beg to differ, San Diego has a lot to offer, unique things. A simple google search would reveal this. Thank you! San Diego has tons of things to offer. People who don't live here or who've never even been should not even comment. Just stop. Now. Stop. Thanks. Overall, it doesn't have enough unique things to offer that you can't get in LA to justify making it a second city. A couple of landmarks and attractions isn't enough. The atmosphere is too similar. Like I already said, San Diego in GTA V would be like Alderney in GTA IV - another piece of land that feels a lot like the areas you've already been, but not as good. Imagine replacing either San Fierro or Las Venturas in San Andreas with San Diego. Does that sound like a good idea to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaFoam Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 The last couple of posts have interested me. The only thing I am sure of is that cutoff road leads to the Port of Long Beach. Compare the blueprint to the real life map of LA and you will find it based off the 710 freeway that feeds into the Port of Long beach. No way that road is major enough to feed into another city. As for the other posts, such as Los Santos is in the North and we have put the Alamo Sea in the wrong spot unless those are proven wrong that's good speculation. Wasn't there a screenshot showing the area behind the Vinewood sign? It had the Alamo Sea North of the Vinewood sign though. Here it is. Apparently the Alamo Sea is lying amongst the mist and fog in top section of this photo, past the Vinewood sign, above the helicopter blades. I'm honestly having a tough time trying to match up the area behind the Vinewood sign in this picture with the area in the new plane picture. Are we for sure that is the Alamo Sea in this Vinewood shot? Not sure what else it could be, just having trouble understanding how this fits with the newest plane picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAPatriot Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 The last couple of posts have interested me. The only thing I am sure of is that cutoff road leads to the Port of Long Beach. Compare the blueprint to the real life map of LA and you will find it based off the 710 freeway that feeds into the Port of Long beach. No way that road is major enough to feed into another city. As for the other posts, such as Los Santos is in the North and we have put the Alamo Sea in the wrong spot unless those are proven wrong that's good speculation. Wasn't there a screenshot showing the area behind the Vinewood sign? It had the Alamo Sea North of the Vinewood sign though. Like this vague map shows. So LS being more centered if based on the collectors edition blue prints... could that leave more room further south we don't know about? It is fun to speculate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choco Taco Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'm honestly having a tough time trying to match up the area behind the Vinewood sign in this picture with the area in the new plane picture. Are we for sure that is the Alamo Sea in this Vinewood shot? Not sure what else it could be, just having trouble understanding how this fits with the newest plane picture. It's basically like this - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'm honestly having a tough time trying to match up the area behind the Vinewood sign in this picture with the area in the new plane picture. Are we for sure that is the Alamo Sea in this Vinewood shot? Not sure what else it could be, just having trouble understanding how this fits with the newest plane picture. It's basically like this - There has to be more to it! I mean that's tiny. – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsrow Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) I just don't think San Diego would be a good choice for a second city in a game with Los Angeles as the main city. It doesn't have much to offer that you can't already get in LA and I don't see why they would devote time and resources creating 2 similar cities when they could just as easily create very diverse cities which would be better for gameplay. Plus, 99% of the people who play the game would have no idea which city it's supposed to be based on. Show people some pictures of San Diego and ask them to identify the city. Most people will have no idea. Why would they include a location like that? I don't live in the US & I've never visited the West Coast. While San Diego doesn't have many recognizable landmarks, geographically it is very important. It is the gateway to Mexico & I think the highest murder rate in America based on population. Apparently the city is like having one foot in Mexico, while still being in America. The only thing I can see a problem with. If it's a gateway to Mexico, then it would be a bit weird if it bordered nothing. So if SD is there, part of Mexico (like RDR) should be there & that's just not happening this gen. I have been in northern San Diego and downtown a few times over the years, and I have to say I don't find it all that interesting or distinctive. It's mostly newish due to a lot of growth, a combination of middle class / upper middle with rows of identical McMansions lining the ridges that used to be natural hills, modern freeways and malls. There is also new young money and big money to the north in La Jolla and on hills with ocean views. Qualcom and a lot of other high tech, polus UC San Diego have brought in a lot of money. As I said, all new, new money, not interesting in my opinion. The San Diego downtown area is a bit hilly with frustrating one-way streets. The beach / bay and tourist districts are more unique, but I don't see how they lend themselves to biting Rockstar parody. The outskirts of San Diego quickly transition to dry brown hills, with pockets of big money mansions / estates / enclaves owned by rich businessmen and celebs who want a big place away from Hollywood and the Malibu hills. I have not been down to the south of San Diego for many years, where the customs plaza is, but I assume from what people say, that it is a bit more downscale. That's where there are many tunnel entrances in warehouses and the back of small shops, going across the border to Tijauna. The main value I see for San Diego in the game is to provide the suitable border gateway land for re-imagined Mexico, which I hope will be in the game. EDIT: By the way, I have driven from LA to San Diego a number of times on both the 5 freeway and the Pacific Coast Highway, and neither route is so distinctive or interesting that I could see much design time being invested to recreate it. So if there is a re-imagined San Diego and Mexico, I would vote for keeping the distance up to Los Santos small, and using the precious map real estate and design resources in more interesting countryside. Edited June 13, 2013 by saintsrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta54me Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 I'm honestly having a tough time trying to match up the area behind the Vinewood sign in this picture with the area in the new plane picture. Are we for sure that is the Alamo Sea in this Vinewood shot? Not sure what else it could be, just having trouble understanding how this fits with the newest plane picture. It's basically like this - I don't think that's the Alamo sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibSity Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It is probably inspired from that sign, but I'm pretty sure San Diego won't be in this game. They might have just put a San Diego sign in Los Santos (which is weird), or maybe there's a similar sign in LA somewhere. According to the info we've got it is certain that there will be no other big cities in this game. Maybe some small surrounding towns, but that's it. So if San Diego is in this game, it might be attached to Los Santos and be a part of Los Santos, and though that would be geographically incorrect, it's possible. It could also be a small extra urban area somewhere in the map, but never a depiction of the total of San Diego. That's not possible. Interesting find though. With all due respect, where is the certainty claiming that there will 'not' be another city in the map? “The bottom line was building one city and doing it properly. To do a proper version of L.A., which area-wise is the largest city in the world, the game has to give you a sense of that sprawl - if not completely replicate it. You have to spend a lot of your city budget time and money making L.A. To split that into two, you would lose what LA. is." Dan Houser in GI Why is everybody ignoring this? Either R* is flat out lying to us to surprise us, or San Diego will not be in V. I assume the main point of San Diego would be a drug trafficking hub for Mexico, but would that fit with the heist theme? I can understand the road on the blueprint leading to San Diego, but it could very well lead to Long Beach as well. I don't think San Diego being in the game really. It sounds nice, but it would make the game less authentic. V is supposed to be one perfect city, not one half-ass city and a miniature version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Justice Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 If it's in the game, it will NOT be a major city though. it honestly doesn't need to be any larger than twice the size of Sandy Shores, just far more built up and nice. If you look at the Alderney City part of Alderney, which is based off the real life Jersey City, it's damn small too, but was still a great part of the map. It was all that was needed. Place a city that size anywhere out in the countryside and it will be worth including. Afterall, GTA IV was only one major city, but there was a second, far-smaller one people always seem to forget. (Sandy Shores) (Alderney City is the part with large buildings) In terms of geographical size, Alderney City is really not that much larger than Sandy Shores. Why can't they put a version of San Diego about this size out somewhere in the Desert? Rockstar have stated it's a re-imagining of Southern California, which means the Alamo Sea and La Puerta can be North, because who really cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 First of all, I don't get why they put in the Salton Sea, it's such a, for lack of better words, unappealing/uninteresting area. I much rather would have seen Las Venturas instead of Alamo sea area, as it's simply much more interesting and visually appealing. Unfortunately this is not the case. So I really do hope there is a second bigger city be it San Diego or anything. – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrushLTx10 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) If it's in the game, it will NOT be a major city though. it honestly doesn't need to be any larger than twice the size of Sandy Shores, just far more built up and nice. If you look at the Alderney City part of Alderney, which is based off the real life Jersey City, it's damn small too, but was still a great part of the map. It was all that was needed. Place a city that size anywhere out in the countryside and it will be worth including. Afterall, GTA IV was only one major city, but there was a second, far-smaller one people always seem to forget. (Sandy Shores) (Alderney City is the part with large buildings) In terms of geographical size, Alderney City is really not that much larger than Sandy Shores. Why can't they put a version of San Diego about this size out somewhere in the Desert? Rockstar have stated it's a re-imagining of Southern California, which means the Alamo Sea and La Puerta can be North, because who really cares? Yeah I wouldn't mind San Diego being on par in terms of size of Alderney. Hell I wouldn't care if it was only half the size of Los Santos but it would justify them putting the Salton Sea in there with LA. If they include the Salton Sea and LA that close to each other and not have San Diego in the game the whole re-imagined SoCal could be changed to "a butchered SoCal". But it wouldn't justify putting the Salton Sea North of LA which has me confused, which then would force them to put San Diego in the North. SoCal would be turned upside down in GTA V. Keep in mind this is wishful thinking and we only have one piece of evidence to go off of. Seeing as how LS is smaller than we thought it would be it would make sense if R* included San Diego. We just have to wait and see if the OP's reasoning with the San Diego Gaslamp arch is indeed true. When was Alderney found to be a part of the GTA IV map? And if I'm not mistaken Mexico was kept a secret in RDR very close to it's release. @Raavi Well it's all opinion. Some people like country more, some people like city more. Hell some people even like the sea more! I personally want a balance. And having big city and 2-4 smaller towns take up about 2/8's or less of the map wouldn't be ideal for me. Los Santos apparently takes up 1/8 of the map and I wouldn't think the other towns would add up to equal 1/8 of the map. Especially if there's less than 3 towns. 4 smaller towns maybe could boost it up there.. Edited June 13, 2013 by KrushLTx10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibSity Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Where does everybody get that the Alamo sea will be north of LS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasir_Jones Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I am not gonna get my hopes up for another city in Gta V. It is possible, R* can pull a big surprise on us and adding a new city. That could be the reason of not showing so much of the map and angling there images north and north/east of the map. We havent seen many south angled images, that could mean they're hiding something. It would be really cool to have another city to tie in with the Mexican Cartels. But like i said, im not gonna get my hopes up, its just a thought. Nice find by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrushLTx10 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Where does everybody get that the Alamo sea will be north of LS? Look at Choco's post a couple posts back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LotusRIP Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 A San Diego based location could be NW of the map... maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrushLTx10 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) “The bottom line was building one city and doing it properly. To do a proper version of L.A., which area-wise is the largest city in the world, the game has to give you a sense of that sprawl - if not completely replicate it. You have to spend a lot of your city budget time and money making L.A. To split that into two, you would lose what LA. is." Dan Houser in GI This deserves a lot of recognition. If the city is the same size as LC (as many people have estimates finding that it is in fact the same size/maybe a little smaller) this statement would be hugely incorrect. Completely replicate it? Where's the sprawl he promised? They cut Long Beach and Carson from the South Central Area, cut out mostly all of East LA and if that road only leads to what I've been predicting it to lead to which is the Port of Long Beach the city will not be as big as Dan said it would be. @Lotus That's a great f*cking map. If the map looks anything like that I will be excited for the next 3 months. Edited June 13, 2013 by KrushLTx10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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