Star Wars Battlefront

[Coin]

Reports that the game won't feature any classes.

 

Sigh. This isn't the Battlefront game you're looking for.

 

It's already come up and confirmed in this thread, IIRC.

 

Customisable loadouts instead of classes. This isn't bad thing. At all.

 

 

Edit: More customization stuff

Edited May 12, 2015 by ¥en

[Th3MaN1]

Yeah but I doubt you'll be able to customize your character to the point where it can become a Battle Droid or something similar like that, that's why I'm kinda sceptical about Battlefront going the same way Battlefield and Call of Duty has.

[Fraizer]

What I wanna know is, why do I see so much muzzle flash and no Laser bolts flying through the air?

[Th3MaN1]

Because it's DICE.

 

I'm serious.

[MyName'sJeff]

Flop of the century. That's what the game is going to be turned out as. I've got no hope considering EA is pushing Dice to rush this game out. EA is simply a company full of cancer.

[Fireman]

Yeah but I doubt you'll be able to customize your character to the point where it can become a Battle Droid or something similar like that, that's why I'm kinda sceptical about Battlefront going the same way Battlefield and Call of Duty has.

 

There are different character models you can choose from and then you can customise those. Sounds like a fair deal, assuming there are ~5-8 Character Models for each faction.

 

Either way, I never played Battlefield, so I might enjoy the game even if it does turn out to be just battlefield with star wars skins \o/

 

But that it won't be a real Battlefront, that was to be expected imo.

[Th3MaN1]

Man, as long as there's a good variety, I'm alright with that. My expectations are not high, but acceptable.

[Tchuck]

Flop of the century. That's what the game is going to be turned out as. I've got no hope considering EA is pushing Dice to rush this game out. EA is simply a company full of cancer.

Is that so? What makes EA a company full of cancer?

[Th3MaN1]

A history of bad mistakes, microtransactions, ruining games (BF4 was rushed by them, that's why the game is not in a 100% working state even today), Battlefield Hardline being a cash-grab, and there's a possibility, (but no evidence) that they f*cked with Bioware and Mass Effect 3. Through I would kinda rule out the last one.

 

I'm looking at this game in a positive way; no gameplay footage was released up to this point, so judging would be really stupid from my perspective. Unfortunately, all the info currently released isn't something that puts a smile on my face. The game can still end up being good, maybe even better than it's prequels. But then there's also a possibility that they will ruin this.

[TheMcSame]

Is that so? What makes EA a company full of cancer?

Would you care show me the underside of that rock you have there?

[Tchuck]

A history of bad mistakes, microtransactions, ruining games (BF4 was rushed by them, that's why the game is not in a 100% working state even today), Battlefield Hardline being a cash-grab, and there's a possibility, (but no evidence) that they f*cked with Bioware and Mass Effect 3. Through I would kinda rule out the last one.

 

I'm looking at this game in a positive way; no gameplay footage was released up to this point, so judging would be really stupid from my perspective. Unfortunately, all the info currently released isn't something that puts a smile on my face. The game can still end up being good, maybe even better than it's prequels. But then there's also a possibility that they will ruin this.

Sure, bad mistakes, like many other studios do. Microtransactions, yeah, which is the tendency of the industry, and is not something they started. They are simply going with the flow. There are far, FAR worse offenders on that aspect. Ruining games, is very relative. A lot of people enjoyed BF4 for what it is, just like many hated it. Hardline being a cash-grab, why? It was a new take on the series, which had some pretty good ideas in it. Nah, fans f*cked with ME3, because they wanted the ending that they wanted, not what the developers wanted. You can argue about the Day One DLC thing, but I have friends at that studio and there was no "evil corporate decision" to cut things off the game and sell it. They literally had extra time to work on it and decided to add new things. If you know how game development is done, specially at a huge studio like Bioware, it's very very hard to add new things in late in production, when things are getting certified and such.

 

 

Is that so? What makes EA a company full of cancer?

Would you care show me the underside of that rock you have there?

 

It's small, but it's large by Japanese standards this rock of mine in Tokyo. So care to illuminate me into what makes EA a company full of cancer? And not say, Konami, who has been killing great game after great game and is forcing out one of their star developers? Or say Warner Brothers who is probably behing Rocksteady DLC practices with Batman? Or any of the many mobile devs who only make clones or sh*tty games that make a ton of money because they prey on people's weakness? Tell me, why is EA the company full of cancer? Is it because they offer very good salaries to their employees and a pretty sweet environment to work at if you're a dev and not a QA person? Hm? I'm waiting.

[Th3MaN1]

Well, I'm glad you see EA as a good company. Because I can tell you that not many people think the way you do.

And despite being okay with your view on this, you cannot deny that BF4 was rushed, just to compete with Ghosts, and that Hardline is a poor game made only for profit. The game barely has anything going for it. A new take on the series? Come on man, who the f*ck asked for Cops and robbers? And to pay a sh*tload of money just to unlock things that should be there at the start is f*cking ridiculous. Not only that, it has way less content than any other Battlefield. I think that even Battlefield 1942 had more weapons than Hardline has now, and that's f*cking bad.

[TheMcSame]

So care to illuminate me into what makes EA a company full of cancer?

1. Their growth is mainly down to acquisitions and lying to devs (saying they will remain independent for example)

 

2.

 

3. Terrible singleplayer experiences in most games, far too much focus on the same recycled multiplayer

 

4. Rehasing IPs to cash-in

 

5. Buying and gutting studios like no tomorrow. Remember Westwood studios? What about pandemic studios? Both of which are just a few of the companies that EA has butchered in an attempt to monopolize the industry.

 

6. A ban on the origin FORUM can ban you from ALL OF YOUR PURCHASED games on origin.

 

7. Online passes became a thing...

 

8. Day one DLC is their speciality

 

9. Worst company in America for two consecutive years

 

10. Abusing charities to make a quick buck on DLC

 

11. DLC bugs which made certain parts of BF4 UNPLAYABLE.

 

12. Releasing broken games (BF3 and BF4 (not sure about BFH)) that, to this day, are STILL NOT FIXED

 

13. Manipulating Dungeon Keeper's rating by redirecting users to the storefront page for the game only if the user voted 5 stars otherwise the game would not redirect you and your vote wouldn't be cast (all without the user being notified).

 

14. Misleading advertisements for the previous game.

 

15. Claiming outrageous micro transactions and manipulating app ratings was too much innovation for people to handle.

 

16. Lousy customer 'support' that rivals that of comcast.

 

17. Did I mention the outrageous use of micro transactions?

 

18. Stripping butt loads of content away from the game to release DLC later

 

There's probably a crap load of points that I've missed out.

 

EA is known for being the cancer of the industry. The fact that you think otherwise just makes me think you're damage control for EA...

Edited May 16, 2015 by TheMcSame

[Tchuck]

 

So care to illuminate me into what makes EA a company full of cancer?

1. Their growth is mainly down to acquisitions and lying to devs (saying they will remain independent for example)

 

2.

 

3. Terrible singleplayer experiences in most games, far too much focus on the same recycled multiplayer

 

4. Rehasing IPs to cash-in

 

5. Buying and gutting studios like no tomorrow. Remember Westwood studios? What about pandemic studios? Both of which are just a few of the companies that EA has butchered in an attempt to monopolize the industry.

 

6. A ban on the origin FORUM can ban you from ALL OF YOUR PURCHASED games on origin.

 

7. Online passes became a thing...

 

8. Day one DLC is their speciality

 

9. Worst company in America for two consecutive years

 

10. Abusing charities to make a quick buck on DLC

 

11. DLC bugs which made certain parts of BF4 UNPLAYABLE.

 

12. Releasing broken games (BF3 and BF4 (not sure about BFH)) that, to this day, are STILL NOT FIXED

 

13. Manipulating Dungeon Keeper's rating by redirecting users to the storefront page for the game only if the user voted 5 stars otherwise the game would not redirect you and your vote wouldn't be cast (all without the user being notified).

 

14. Misleading advertisements for the previous game.

 

15. Claiming outrageous micro transactions and manipulating app ratings was too much innovation for people to handle.

 

16. Lousy customer 'support' that rivals that of comcast.

 

17. Did I mention the outrageous use of micro transactions?

 

18. Stripping butt loads of content away from the game to release DLC later

 

There's probably a crap load of points that I've missed out.

 

EA is known for being the cancer of the industry. The fact that you think otherwise just makes me think you're damage control for EA...

 

 

1. And also putting out a lot of good games along its history. EA wasn't built 5 years ago, it's been around for more than two decades.

 

2. Yeah, like other publishers also do. Indies do it as well, by sleeping with journalists.

 

3. That is your opinion. The massive critical acclaim for many of the games they published says otherwise. Or are you going to say the Single Player in ME and Dragon Age series was rubbish?

 

4. Boo-hoo. Just like every single other developer out there does it.

 

5. Actually, they weren't attempting to "monopolize" the industry. That is such a ridiculous notion. They bought the studios because they had good developers, and EA liked what they were producing and saw the potential. But then they get ruined when they have to fit the corporate machine that is EA. Which is a shame.

 

6. That's a sh*tty way to handle things, of course. Hopefully it will be improved someday. Steam does have the same power to lock you out of your games, though.

 

7. Was not invented by them. Very much supported by the console manufacturers, who really want to end second-hand sales. And many other studios do it.

 

8. And? Clearly you don't know how Day-one DLC works.

 

9. Yeah, and you know who voted in those campaigns? Butt-hurt fans. It's ridiculous that a company that makes video games got voted as the worst company against companies that actively kill people, damage environment and just plain old take your money. Pointless.

 

10. Source, please.

 

11. Bugs happen. RAGE had a bug on launch that left anyone with an ATI unable to play the game. No-one is calling Bethesda/Zenimax the cancer of the industry. Has it been fixed now?

 

12. Define broken. They worked pretty damn well on my machines, and still do.

 

13. Yeah, that was a sh*tty tactic. Probably the idea of some retarded marketing person. The game really sucked as well, which was a shame.

 

14. Such as?

 

15. Marketing people will be marketing people. You have no idea how much Devs suffer and games become sh*tty because of marketing people.

 

16. I've had only good experiences with their support system. But your mileage may vary.

 

17. Yeah, and that's redundant. It's a practice that is here to stay, largely because of the success of mobile games. And it's not invented by EA or used exclusively by them.

 

18. Hum no. That's not how it works.

 

Yeah, and they probably would have been as pointless as most of the ones you cited.

 

No, I don't work as a "damage control" person for EA. I work in the games industry. And I just hate people spewing misinformation or just plain old bullsh*t, or even saying company X is a cancer, when they have no idea how game development works, no idea about the people involved in the development process, and are just so juvenile to hate a company and actively root for their doom, and say they are f*cking cancer, which is immensely disrespectful to those who fight cancer. There's only two cancers in the industry: marketing people and entitled gamers. That's all.

[Th3MaN1]

I'm not going to doubt that you're working in the industry, because I can't. Maybe you're right, or maybe you're just lying.

 

Either way, EA's doing something wrong. The hate isn't something we pulled out of our ass. People have a legitimate reason to hate them. Personally, I don't have much hate for them, as I rarely touch their products. The only game I play that has something to do with EA is Battlefield 3. While I wouldn't say they are the 'cancer' of the industry, the company's reputation is negative for a reason. A very large majority of gamers just don't appreciate what they are doing.

[TheMcSame]

 

It takes one f*ck up to lead to a series of f*ck ups and that's exactly what has happened to EA. EA used to be a good company that pumped out very good games in the past, a company with that sort of history doesn't get the level of hate EA is getting now without doing something wrong.

 

Also, that source you wanted for 10.... http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Child-Play-Responds-EA-DLC-They-Did-Have-Our-Permission-Run-Promotion-41190.html

 

For 14. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-02-asa-bans-dungeon-keeper-ad-accuses-ea-of-misleading-customers

Mentions that the Advertising Standards Authority banned a dungeon keeper advert and ruled that it was misleading customers.

 

I'd argue the other points but you're either just trying to be damage control for EA or you're a hardcore fanboy, neither or which can be reasoned with.

[Coin]

 

Either way, EA's doing something wrong. The hate isn't something we pulled out of our ass. People have a legitimate reason to hate them. Personally, I don't have much hate for them, as I rarely touch their products. The only game I play that has something to do with EA is Battlefield 3. While I wouldn't say they are the 'cancer' of the industry, the company's reputation is negative for a reason. A very large majority of gamers just don't appreciate what they are doing.

 

No one is doubting that EA has done or continues to do something wrong.

 

But most people don't have a legitimate reason to hate them or go out of their way to decry them as a cancer of the industry etc etc. Most people just jumped on the EA hate bandwagon because... miss informed and for the lulz.

 

Hating on EA has really become this "hip" thing to do as a gamer and seems to be almost a right of passage. I don't get it; objectively there are a few companies far more deserving of this scorn than EA are or ever will be.. but nope, gotta keep with the EA hate train because reasons.

Edited May 17, 2015 by ¥en

[iiConTr0v3rSYx]

Ubisoft is definitely worse than EA in recent years.

 

They've butchered and mangled the AC series.

[Tchuck]

I'm not going to doubt that you're working in the industry, because I can't. Maybe you're right, or maybe you're just lying.

 

Either way, EA's doing something wrong. The hate isn't something we pulled out of our ass. People have a legitimate reason to hate them. Personally, I don't have much hate for them, as I rarely touch their products. The only game I play that has something to do with EA is Battlefield 3. While I wouldn't say they are the 'cancer' of the industry, the company's reputation is negative for a reason. A very large majority of gamers just don't appreciate what they are doing.

You are much more level headed than the other guy. Why would I lie about working in the industry? Here's my Linkedin page.

 

I'm not saying they have never done something wrong. They have. They have put out bad games, they have had sh*tty mobile games, heck 10 years ago they had horrible business practices with their employees. None of that warrants them being called a cancer. They aren't "out to destroy the industry" like some gamers think. No studio is. Apart from maybe Zynga or King. I get disliking what they do, some of the games they do. But going on to hate a company? That's just pathetic. I agree, their reputation is negative in some aspects, and I can completely understand that.

 

 

 

It takes one f*ck up to lead to a series of f*ck ups and that's exactly what has happened to EA. EA used to be a good company that pumped out very good games in the past, a company with that sort of history doesn't get the level of hate EA is getting now without doing something wrong.

 

Also, that source you wanted for 10.... http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Child-Play-Responds-EA-DLC-They-Did-Have-Our-Permission-Run-Promotion-41190.html

 

For 14. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-02-asa-bans-dungeon-keeper-ad-accuses-ea-of-misleading-customers

Mentions that the Advertising Standards Authority banned a dungeon keeper advert and ruled that it was misleading customers.

 

I'd argue the other points but you're either just trying to be damage control for EA or you're a hardcore fanboy, neither or which can be reasoned with.

 

Yeah, it's how players perceive it. They don't see the hits anymore, and instead magnify the failures. FIFA15 was very well received, so was Dragon Age 3. But people just focus on the sh*t that happens. Dungeon Keeper was a fiasco. I really wish they had taken the game in a different way. Does that make me hate them? No. They made the game they wanted to make, and that's how development should be. If devs do the game they wanna make, people sh*t on them because they are not listening to the players. If devs make the game the players think they want, they'll sh*t on them for not doing anything innovative.

 

Au contraire, my good sir. I can be very well reasoned it, as you can see through this debate. I'm not a fanboy, nor am I damage control, both assumptions are very ridiculous and nothing but an attempt to poisoning the well. You don't have arguments to debate with, so you just result to ad hominem in your own way. What I am doing is showing you how this whole "HATE EA! THEY ARE CANCER!" attitude is at best asinine, doesn't accomplish anything, and is one of the major reasons the game industry is f*cking up.

 

If your car breaks down, you don't go saying GM or what have you are cancer and sh*t. If they change the formula to your favourite cereal, you don't go around claiming Kelloggs is cancer and f*cking up the cereal industry. If starbucks puts out a flavour you didn't like, but discontinued the one you liked, you don't go around claiming they are cancer and f*cking up the coffee industry. But you do that with EA, and you do that with games, which is beyond stupid. Wanna dislike their games? Do dislike them. You don't have to love them. I don't, I dislike many of the games EA do. By calling EA cancer, you are calling the developers cancer, people who go to work everyday and passionately work on the game. People who put in their hard work and efforts on the game they believe will be good. Only to get shat on and called a cancer by the very people they are trying to hard to entertain. All because a gun doesn't work the way they wanted, or the ending isn't what they wanted, or character X isn't available, or the gameplay isn't what they wanted. It's ridiculous and just an old scapegoat, since many other large publishers have been much worse than EA in recent years. But ey, continue with this fantasy, if it makes it easier for you to sleep at night. I'll enjoy the games I wanna enjoy, don't play the ones that don't appeal to me, and don't hate on the developers who work damn hard to get their game out. It is ok for a director to make the movie they wanna make, as it's art. But games are only art when it's convenient for an argument.

[Th3MaN1]

I can't see why I'm at fault for not trusting you, but whatever. There's already been a case of a guy doing a bad job of lying, saying that he works for Rockstar. You didn't present me any kind of evidence until now.

 

Either way, I'll leave it at that.

[Theodore93]

Defending EA eh? Well, that's certainly a brave position.

 

They're by no means the worst anymore. Maybe partly because they've tried to clean up their act to some extent, but mostly because the industry is going down the toilet - morally speaking, and other big companies are competing to see who can abuse their consumers the most and still get away with it. Either way, it doesn't absolve EA of their past sins. I don't hate them personally, but their negative reputation is still justified, and the likes of BF4 and Dungeon Keeper Mobile isn't doing their reputation any favours.

 

Also, due to their studio acquisition behavior of the past, the cancer analogy isn't exactly inappropriate, regardless of whether it's fair to the devs / employees.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Waldie

[Fireman]

Ubisoft is definitely worse than EA in recent years.

 

They've butchered and mangled the AC series.

 

How do you butcher something that has no life left in it after being bled out for unlimited amount of games?

Edited May 17, 2015 by Fireman

[nath22]

If not for Bioware I'm not sure people would have anything to defend EA with, the rest of their titles are badly supported cash grabs (Madden, Fifa, NHL) and Battlefield which got released about 50% complete.

[iiConTr0v3rSYx]

 

Ubisoft is definitely worse than EA in recent years.

 

They've butchered and mangled the AC series.

How do you butcher something that has no life left in it after being bled out for unlimited amount of games?

It must have some blood left considering the yearly sales.

[MyName'sJeff]

The only thing I can actually think about EA doing good is removing the online pass codes for the games, and that's about it. Since hearing that quite a while ago, I'm not even sure if it's for all the games or not. I hate, have hated and always will hate EA as a company especially when they are the sole reason why microtransactions and DLC's have been successfully injected into the industry in the first place. f*ck them. Battlefront will be sh*t and nothing like the originals. Battlefield is the modern COD with shinier graphics and will be spewed upon, FIFA is a repetitive piece of sh*t, the only difference between each game is the updated squads in each team, and an ultimate team mode worse than before where coins are being exploited left, right and centre, it hasn't been competitive legitimately for years now.

[Fraizer]

If you dislike EA, don't buy the products they publish. Done. Now let's get back to Star Wars Battlefront.

[Theodore93]

If you dislike EA, don't buy the products they publish. Done. Now let's get back to Star Wars Battlefront.

 

There isn't exactly a lot to talk about Battlefront at the moment, other than how EA appears to be f*cking it up. If people want to bitch about EA, this seems like as good a place as any.

[FullMetal]

Hate on EA, give Activision unconditional love.
Hate on Battlefront/DICE, praise Infinity Ward/Treyarch for their innovation.

Hate on 'cinematic trailer', praise all the other games that use cinematic trailers to promote their games.

 

Seriously: alot of bashing has been valid in this topic. But you guys seem to bash everything EA/Dice/Battlefront related for no reason. Hell, not to mention being hypocrites about it.

 

But whatever.

[Theodore93]

Hate on EA, give Activision unconditional love.

Hate on Battlefront/DICE, praise Infinity Ward/Treyarch for their innovation.

Hate on 'cinematic trailer', praise all the other games that use cinematic trailers to promote their games.

 

Seriously: alot of bashing has been valid in this topic. But you guys seem to bash everything EA/Dice/Battlefront related for no reason. Hell, not to mention being hypocrites about it.

 

But whatever.

 

I'm curious to learn more about this other planet you're living on.

 

Really though, who is saying these things? I'm sure there'll be fanboys that'll spout any kind of nonsense you like, but it's hardly representative of the whole community. From what I've seen, people bitch about COD constantly, and nobody likes cinematic trailers.

 

EA certainly doesn't deserve more hate than a lot of the other big companies, but at this point, it doesn't exactly deserve to be given the benefit of doubt either.

Edited May 18, 2015 by Waldie

[MadeBrazen]

Look EA are motivated by money, who isn't. We have all seen the profit/fan satisfaction line pushed until it broke by Ubisoft, in the classic battle between good and evil, good will always win - why? Because if its too evil we aint stupid enough to buy the bloody game.

 

At the end of the day this big ass game company has its mits on the behemoth that is star wars, in a collaboration that is worth millions. Sure you will need to take some bitter with your sweet but its not like they will totally f*ck it up - gotta trust they have at least some sensible people working there.

 

I did not realise how much i would play BF4. And did not realise how much I had come to love old Star Wars. Very excited for this.

Edited May 18, 2015 by Bandalamente