The Multiple TOWNS Argument

[josephene123]

This thread certainly exploded and not in a good way.

 

@Zm

 

There is no city in the north east corner of the map. In order for there to be a city there needs to be a good sized road leading to it and there isn't. There is a village on the west flank of the mountain in the north east corner and the road runs alongside it but there is nothing indicating there is a split in the road leading into the mountain to come out at the other side so there just can't be a city there.

 

In the lighthouse screenshot you can see the same mountain in the north east corner and here you only see a dirt road leading towards the north which again shows us there can be no city over there.

 

The only place where there can be a decently sized town based on various screenshots and screengraps is east of Salvation Mountain.

 

And what is with your unhealthy obsession as a high school student with glory holes and analheim?

How can you know?

As far as I know (and I can tell because I have been following every single bit of information ever since I completed GTA IV) we haven't seen a single thing of the North side of the map.

Well you're wrong, then

[jordy-w92]

This thread certainly exploded and not in a good way.

 

@Zm

 

There is no city in the north east corner of the map. In order for there to be a city there needs to be a good sized road leading to it and there isn't. There is a village on the west flank of the mountain in the north east corner and the road runs alongside it but there is nothing indicating there is a split in the road leading into the mountain to come out at the other side so there just can't be a city there.

 

In the lighthouse screenshot you can see the same mountain in the north east corner and here you only see a dirt road leading towards the north which again shows us there can be no city over there.

 

The only place where there can be a decently sized town based on various screenshots and screengraps is east of Salvation Mountain.

 

And what is with your unhealthy obsession as a high school student with glory holes and analheim?

How can you know?

As far as I know (and I can tell because I have been following every single bit of information ever since I completed GTA IV) we haven't seen a single thing of the North side of the map.

Well you're wrong, then

(solid) proof?

[Ferocious Banger]

R* have denied the presence of another city before and after the delay multiple times - proof enough?

[jordy-w92]

R* have denied the presence of another city before and after the delay multiple times - proof enough?

Links?

[josephene123]

This thread certainly exploded and not in a good way.

 

@Zm

 

There is no city in the north east corner of the map. In order for there to be a city there needs to be a good sized road leading to it and there isn't. There is a village on the west flank of the mountain in the north east corner and the road runs alongside it but there is nothing indicating there is a split in the road leading into the mountain to come out at the other side so there just can't be a city there.

 

In the lighthouse screenshot you can see the same mountain in the north east corner and here you only see a dirt road leading towards the north which again shows us there can be no city over there.

 

The only place where there can be a decently sized town based on various screenshots and screengraps is east of Salvation Mountain.

 

And what is with your unhealthy obsession as a high school student with glory holes and analheim?

How can you know?

As far as I know (and I can tell because I have been following every single bit of information ever since I completed GTA IV) we haven't seen a single thing of the North side of the map.

Well you're wrong, then

(solid) proof?

If you've been paying any attention to the mapping thread you'd know we've seen plenty of the north side of the map

[Ferocious Banger]

R* have denied the presence of another city before and after the delay multiple times - proof enough?

Links?

Check out the plethora of previews, and the pics of mails sent by R* confirming the absence of multiple cities.

[gwaha]

Just a few examples of the north east of the map:

 

 

The west flank of the mountain can be seen at 1:23 into GTA 5 trailer 2. It is the road, Interstate 5, which leads to area of the screenshot with the plane in it.

 

There are more screenshots and screengraps but I am not going to be looking for them all. There is simply no city there, that much should be clear if you read the entire mapping thread.

 

Edit:

 

Found a screencapture of trailer 2 which shows the west flank of the north eastern most mountain.

 

Edited August 7, 2013 by gwaha

[jordy-w92]

Still not convinced. I am sure they are hiding something.

[gwaha]

 

Still not convinced. I am sure they are hiding something.

It is obvious Rockstar is hiding something but it is NOT a city. There is an unknown town to the east of Salvation Mountain which has only been vaguely shown in the distance if you look for it but there is absolutely nothing of significance in the north east.

 

Basically what you are saying is that the people who mapped the game must be bad at it. There is just nothing that can be hidden in the north east. A city or a big town needs a road leading to it in order to make any sense and there is nothing even remotely hinting at that in the north eastern part of the map. However the unknown town does have all that with interstate 5 leading directly to it and with there being an airstrip which is clearly not the one near the prison thanks to being able to cross-reference the mountains and buildings.

 

Edit:

 

Here follows just one of many instances in which Rockstar states there is only ONE city:

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/17/gta...stions-answered

 

 

On the GTA V Map:

 

This world -- the range of height and between north and south and east and west -- is huge, and it's a real strength. It felt California. Oceans are there and tall hills are there. We wanted those in the game. For us, this kind of world, that was a big properly-realized L.A. and a huge slab of regionally appropriate countryside, felt like the most interesting match to do something new with. Doing other cities just didn't seem appealing. Doing small towns is very appealing. There's a bunch of small towns and villages and whatnot in there to discover and play around in. Doing other cities, though, felt like it was going to create problems we didn't need. It wasn't going to add to the experience. Of course you could do a game with a bunch of cities now that could be pretty interesting, but we didn't think that was going to be this game. This map is going to be spectacular to people when they start exploring and playing around with it.

Edited August 7, 2013 by gwaha

[jordy-w92]

 

Still not convinced. I am sure they are hiding something.

It is obvious Rockstar is hiding something but it is NOT a city. There is an unknown town to the east of Salvation Mountain which has only been vaguely shown in the distance if you look for it but there is absolutely nothing of significance in the north east.

 

Basically what you are saying is that the people who mapped the game must be bad at it. There is just nothing that can be hidden in the north east. A city or a big town needs a road leading to it in order to make any sense and there is nothing even remotely hinting at that in the north eastern part of the map. However the unknown town does have all that with interstate 5 leading directly to it and with there being an airstrip which is clearly not the one near the prison thanks to being able to cross-reference the mountains and buildings.

If that is what you want to assume, go ahead. :-)

 

I guess we'll just have to find out when the game comes out.

[gwaha]

If that is what you want to assume, go ahead. :-)

 

I guess we'll just have to find out when the game comes out.

Yep, that is what I will gladly assume. More often than not the people who claim there has to be another city on the map they are unwilling to look for the evidence against it. They just make bogus claims on how there needs to be something in a certain part of the map without any evidence for it. It is the San Delgado/Analheim syndrome.

[jordy-w92]

If that is what you want to assume, go ahead. :-)

 

I guess we'll just have to find out when the game comes out.

Yep, that is what I will gladly assume. More often than not the people who claim there has to be another city on the map they are unwilling to look for the evidence against it. They just make bogus claims on how there needs to be something in a certain part of the map without any evidence for it. It is the San Delgado/Analheim syndrome.

I don't need to prove you sh*t son. Just saying.

All I said was that I THINK that Rockstar is keeping something big from us.. nothing else. ;-)

[agent00729]

 

Do you guys think its possible that instead of saying "las venturas" the sign says something like "east venturas"?

[Gedmundo]

 

Do you guys think its possible that instead of saying "las venturas" the sign says something like "east venturas"?

Where's the screen from (time also?) as that's impossible to read and could just be a case of the trolls from that post.

[Ferocious Banger]

And that "something big" isn't a city.

[gwaha]

Where's the screen from (time also?) as that's impossible to read and could just be a case of the trolls from that post.

http://www.rockstargames.com/V/screenshots...t/1257/1280.jpg

 

I really doubt that sign reads East Venturas. I think it is just a case of wanting something really badly which pretty much always leads to you being able to see that text in something which is simply too vague to make out. It is out of focus on purpose so to not give away the name of whichever town.

[zuckmeslow]

I dont think there is another city anymore. But i still feel like something is being hidden

[Grandtheftauto6969]

I Believe the highway leading out west of los santos goes to a oceanside sandiego based area. I believe THAT is what rockstar is hiding from us. Since we havent seen that section yet.

[agent00729]

Any idea what these signs say? They could give us more clues about the possibility of other cities.

 

 

[Kaster]

They are hidding epsilon golden city (well... ok... town).

[gwaha]

Those signs are pretty much unreadable. I thought I saw something in it but it just doesn't fit. We don't even know what all towns and villages we do know about are called so it is pretty much anyone's guess.

 

The second sign may be easier to figure out if you could post where you found it, screenshot but also how far into which trailer. It may be easier to see what it reads based on the buildings surrounding it. I think it is just an exit to some area inside Los Santos.

[agent00729]

Those signs are pretty much unreadable. I thought I saw something in it but it just doesn't fit. We don't even know what all towns and villages we do know about are called so it is pretty much anyone's guess.

 

The second sign may be easier to figure out if you could post where you found it, screenshot but also how far into which trailer. It may be easier to see what it reads based on the buildings surrounding it. I think it is just an exit to some area inside Los Santos.

It's in trailer 1 at 0:31

[gwaha]

I am trying to do something else with the first screenshot first, locate where it is. It is at least a part of Route 68 as seen painted on the road.

 

Edit:

 

I believe the second screenshot is just a repeat of the first sign showing that the next exit will lead to or that right lane will turn into Los Puerta Fwy. It clearly repeats the Interstate 5 symbol and the text below is 3 words where I have no doubt the last word reads Fwy.

Edited August 7, 2013 by gwaha

[Zulu412]

This thread certainly exploded and not in a good way.

 

@Zm

 

There is no city in the north east corner of the map. In order for there to be a city there needs to be a good sized road leading to it and there isn't. There is a village on the west flank of the mountain in the north east corner and the road runs alongside it but there is nothing indicating there is a split in the road leading into the mountain to come out at the other side so there just can't be a city there.

 

In the lighthouse screenshot you can see the same mountain in the north east corner and here you only see a dirt road leading towards the north which again shows us there can be no city over there.

 

The only place where there can be a decently sized town based on various screenshots and screengraps is east of Salvation Mountain.

 

And what is with your unhealthy obsession as a high school student with glory holes and analheim?

How can you know?

As far as I know (and I can tell because I have been following every single bit of information ever since I completed GTA IV) we haven't seen a single thing of the North side of the map.

Exactly, & gwaha, your under the assumption that the mappers have everything correct.

You keep naming mountains; other than in the gameplay trailer where the show the name of the

mountians by the damn, where has everyone gotten the names of the other mountians?

The screen shoot of the lighthouse; where is the proof it's in the NE, same with that plane pic on last page?

& in that plane pic is a pretty significant highway/roadway & it's only a small portion of it, thus

there could very easily be another down or 2 further up or down said roadway.

 

If someone wanted to take the time, I'm sure they could lump every screen shot & trailer screen grab

into less than a dozen places. The majority of what we have been shown is same places at multiple angles w/ some

that is indeterminable as to where exactly they're at.

 

Not knocking the mappers, I'm sure they're reasonably close on somethings, but no one can say for 100% certainty

that what they have is 100% accurate.

 

NE, E, & SE are still pretty much unknown from what I've seen & are the most logical places for towns we have not seen.

My $ would be on the area behind the damn & also oppositye the MT. in the SE corner of the blueprint map.

[zuckmeslow]

This thread certainly exploded and not in a good way.

 

@Zm

 

There is no city in the north east corner of the map. In order for there to be a city there needs to be a good sized road leading to it and there isn't. There is a village on the west flank of the mountain in the north east corner and the road runs alongside it but there is nothing indicating there is a split in the road leading into the mountain to come out at the other side so there just can't be a city there.

 

In the lighthouse screenshot you can see the same mountain in the north east corner and here you only see a dirt road leading towards the north which again shows us there can be no city over there.

 

The only place where there can be a decently sized town based on various screenshots and screengraps is east of Salvation Mountain.

 

And what is with your unhealthy obsession as a high school student with glory holes and analheim?

How can you know?

As far as I know (and I can tell because I have been following every single bit of information ever since I completed GTA IV) we haven't seen a single thing of the North side of the map.

Exactly, & gwaha, your under the assumption that the mappers have everything correct.

You keep naming mountains; other than in the gameplay trailer where the show the name of the

mountians by the damn, where has everyone gotten the names of the other mountians?

The screen shoot of the lighthouse; where is the proof it's in the NE, same with that plane pic on last page?

& in that plane pic is a pretty significant highway/roadway & it's only a small portion of it, thus

there could very easily be another down or 2 further up or down said roadway.

 

If someone wanted to take the time, I'm sure they could lump every screen shot & trailer screen grab

into less than a dozen places. The majority of what we have been shown is same places at multiple angles w/ some

that is indeterminable as to where exactly they're at.

 

Not knocking the mappers, I'm sure they're reasonably close on somethings, but no one can say for 100% certainty

that what they have is 100% accurate.

 

NE, E, & SE are still pretty much unknown from what I've seen & are the most logical places for towns we have not seen.

My $ would be on the area behind the damn & also oppositye the MT. in the SE corner of the blueprint map.

how many towns have we seen besides paleto and sandy shores. because if there is a town in the north east and all that wilderness in the middle of the map, the town might be pretty big

[gwaha]

 

Exactly, & gwaha, your under the assumption that the mappers have everything correct.

You keep naming mountains; other than in the gameplay trailer where the show the name of the

mountians by the damn, where has everyone gotten the names of the other mountians?

The screen shoot of the lighthouse; where is the proof it's in the NE, same with that plane pic on last page?

& in that plane pic is a pretty significant highway/roadway & it's only a small portion of it, thus

there could very easily be another down or 2 further up or down said roadway.

 

If someone wanted to take the time, I'm sure they could lump every screen shot & trailer screen grab

into less than a dozen places. The majority of what we have been shown is same places at multiple angles w/ some

that is indeterminable as to where exactly they're at.

 

Not knocking the mappers, I'm sure they're reasonably close on somethings, but no one can say for 100% certainty

that what they have is 100% accurate.

 

NE, E, & SE are still pretty much unknown from what I've seen & are the most logical places for towns we have not seen.

My $ would be on the area behind the damn & also oppositye the MT. in the SE corner of the blueprint map.

The proof of it being in the north east is based on cross-referencing the mountains you can see in the screenshots and screencaps. In the back of the light house screenshot you can clearly make out the mountain north of the Alamo Sea.

 

And we haven't gotten the names of the other mountains, the two big ones are simply named after their location. Mt Alamo is north of the Alamo Sea and Mt Zancudo is located north of the Zancudo river (which is name that came from a "postcard" screenshot). These two mountains but also the other mountains can be identified from a distance.

 

There is just no other mountains in the screenshot of the plane other than the ones you see. The plane is north of Mt Alamo going east. You can see those same mountains in a couple of screenshots such as the ones with the Sabre and the purple car.

 

The maps of the mapping thread, especially the one from Fido hasn't been solely made by Fido without anyone questioning it. The maps are put together with a lot of input. There is also a reason why the map has decreased in size because we have seen more that shows us everything is actually closer together instead of further apart.

 

@Zm

 

What do you classify as north east?

 

Also, what wilderness in the middle of the map? The middle of the map is actually very populated. The true wilderness is mostly in the west of the map, around Mt Zancudo. There may be a desert without much in it south east of the wind turbines though but there is no way of knowing if that is truly the case or not.

Edited August 7, 2013 by gwaha

[Zulu412]

 

how many towns have we seen besides paleto and sandy shores. because if there is a town in the north east and all that wilderness in the middle of the map, the town might be pretty big

Paleto & Sandy Shores for sure (assuming sandy shores is the larger one right next to Alamo Sea)

or:

 

*screen grab with pet store area on rt68?

*Trevor screenshot with "Bay..." drugstore

*town to the right here

http://www.rockstargames.com/V/screenshots...ot/941/1280.jpg

*this place

http://media.gtanet.com/gallery/gta-5-scre...eenshot_288.jpg

*here, could just be random, but there could be outskirts of a small town

http://www.rockstargames.com/V/screenshots...ot/641/1280.jpg

 

Where is proof this is NW though?

[gwaha]

The proof of Paleto Bay being north west, and I mean the north western flank of Mt Alamo is in the mini map in the same trailer.

 

The last picture you posted is on Route 68. I wish I could figure out where though.

[zuckmeslow]

Exactly, & gwaha, your under the assumption that the mappers have everything correct.

You keep naming mountains; other than in the gameplay trailer where the show the name of the

mountians by the damn, where has everyone gotten the names of the other mountians?

The screen shoot of the lighthouse; where is the proof it's in the NE, same with that plane pic on last page?

& in that plane pic is a pretty significant highway/roadway & it's only a small portion of it, thus

there could very easily be another down or 2 further up or down said roadway.

 

If someone wanted to take the time, I'm sure they could lump every screen shot & trailer screen grab

into less than a dozen places. The majority of what we have been shown is same places at multiple angles w/ some

that is indeterminable as to where exactly they're at.

 

Not knocking the mappers, I'm sure they're reasonably close on somethings, but no one can say for 100% certainty

that what they have is 100% accurate.

 

NE, E, & SE are still pretty much unknown from what I've seen & are the most logical places for towns we have not seen.

My $ would be on the area behind the damn & also oppositye the MT. in the SE corner of the blueprint map.

The proof of it being in the north east is based on cross-referencing the mountains you can see in the screenshots and screencaps. In the back of the light house screenshot you can clearly make out the mountain north of the Alamo Sea.

 

And we haven't gotten the names of the other mountains, the two big ones are simply named after their location. Mt Alamo is north of the Alamo Sea and Mt Zancudo is located north of the Zancudo river (which is name that came from a "postcard" screenshot). These two mountains but also the other mountains can be identified from a distance.

 

There is just no other mountains in the screenshot of the plane other than the ones you see. The plane is north of Mt Alamo going east. You can see those same mountains in a couple of screenshots such as the ones with the Sabre and the purple car.

 

The maps of the mapping thread, especially the one from Fido hasn't been solely made by Fido without anyone questioning it. The maps are put together with a lot of input. There is also a reason why the map has decreased in size because we have seen more that shows us everything is actually closer together instead of further apart.

 

@Zm

 

What do you classify as north east?

 

Also, what wilderness in the middle of the map? The middle of the map is actually very populated. The true wilderness is mostly in the west of the map, around Mt Zancudo. There may be a desert without much in it south east of the wind turbines though but there is no way of knowing if that is truly the case or not.

i classify the area above the large mountain to the north, east of that which we havent seen yet

[PensFan]

 

There is just no other mountains in the screenshot of the plane other than the ones you see. The plane is north of Mt Alamo going east. You can see those same mountains in a couple of screenshots such as the ones with the Sabre and the purple car.

 

 

The proof of it being in the north east is based on cross-referencing the mountains you can see in the screenshots and screencaps. In the back of the light house screenshot you can clearly make out the mountain north of the Alamo Sea.

 

both poor reference points. mountains do not look the same when viewed from different angles.

in the plane picture the mountains to the right aren't distinguishable at all since you can't see the tops.

by this logic the lighthouse should be to the right of the plane pic, so does that highway just make a sharp left?

if so where's it go?