The Multiple TOWNS Argument

[Travís.]

There's to much information supporting another city for there to only be one.

[PoliceFarm]

There's to much information supporting another city for there to only be one.

Please make a list of SOLID evidence. Don't say things like "There's a portion of the map we haven't seen" because that doesn't prove there's a city there at all.

[Travís.]

There's to much information supporting another city for there to only be one.

Please make a list of SOLID evidence. Don't say things like "There's a portion of the map we haven't seen" because that doesn't prove there's a city there at all.

Did you not read the topic?

[PoliceFarm]

There's to much information supporting another city for there to only be one.

Please make a list of SOLID evidence. Don't say things like "There's a portion of the map we haven't seen" because that doesn't prove there's a city there at all.

Did you not read the topic?

All of those except for maybe P would not at all be considered solid evidence, most are just "what if's" and "how come's" without showing a real reason to think there is another city. And P looks like silo's around a building, could be a factory or a base or something.

 

There'll be plenty of decent sized settlements around but anything that is even half the size of LS like San Fierro or San Diego show no sign of being in the game. But I guess only time will tell which one of us is wrong.

[kjacked]

There's to much information supporting another city for there to only be one.

no...

[Zulu412]

There's to much information supporting another city for there to only be one.

Please make a list of SOLID evidence. Don't say things like "There's a portion of the map we haven't seen" because that doesn't prove there's a city there at all.

Did you not read the topic?

All of those except for maybe P would not at all be considered solid evidence, most are just "what if's" and "how come's" without showing a real reason to think there is another city. And P looks like silo's around a building, could be a factory or a base or something.

 

There'll be plenty of decent sized settlements around but anything that is even half the size of LS like San Fierro or San Diego show no sign of being in the game. But I guess only time will tell which one of us is wrong.

Sorry man, I don't think those could be silos. They have to be some big ass silos.

They seem so far away & yet still look that tall, deff buildings.

 

And if anyone on here wants more evidence or thinks they have more evidence, please share.

I'll add it to the list.

These are all just speculations, thats what the thread is about.

Maybe one of these will lead to someone finding something else or whatever.

[PensFan]

Excellent point Senior Taco.

Aslo wanted to note this airport is clearly not the LS airport. Doesn't look like military either.

And it looks like there may be city buildings above the engine on left.

It doesn't look like the ones from LS sky line.

That is a desert (Sandy Shores?) or other small town airport, likely short runway equipped for small planes only. What you see back in the mountains there is not LS or another city, it's a high-voltage power line tower.

 

I meant left side of pic, sorry, not the actual left engine which would be on right side of pic.

I see the power line tower. but to the left of pic is buildings, I count 4. & given the distance away they appear pretty large.

Ah ok I see what you're saying. They could be part of a City or even medium sized town, however they could also be a Prison or maybe part of a factory or farming silos, or it could even be some sort of Casino or Resort type of place.

2 of them look maybe like they could be silos. The one behind the propeller looks different & more like a building or tower of some sort.

[PensFan]

from another other cities thread:

 

QUOTE (Grand_Theft_Coupe @ Friday, Jun 21 2013, 03:58)

Los Santos is the only major city within the overall GTAV map, get the f*ck over it! sly.gif suicidal.gif 

 

Would a city that's the same size as San Fierro in San Andreas be considered a major city?

kudos to Choco Taco

 

one of the best pieces yet. even if SF was scaled a bit larger, it's less than half LS.

So it begs the question, is it a major city or a "town". I think it's small enough R* could still make the

"LS is the only major city" claim & yet include something this size.

[Acehilm]

Excellent point Senior Taco.

Aslo wanted to note this airport is clearly not the LS airport. Doesn't look like military either.

And it looks like there may be city buildings above the engine on left.

It doesn't look like the ones from LS sky line.

That is a desert (Sandy Shores?) or other small town airport, likely short runway equipped for small planes only. What you see back in the mountains there is not LS or another city, it's a high-voltage power line tower.

 

I meant left side of pic, sorry, not the actual left engine which would be on right side of pic.

I see the power line tower. but to the left of pic is buildings, I count 4. & given the distance away they appear pretty large.

Ah ok I see what you're saying. They could be part of a City or even medium sized town, however they could also be a Prison or maybe part of a factory or farming silos, or it could even be some sort of Casino or Resort type of place.

2 of them look maybe like they could be silos. The one behind the propeller looks different & more like a building or tower of some sort.

Is that a bridge to the far right in the background. Looks like Gant Bridge.

[kjacked]

from another other cities thread:

 

QUOTE (Grand_Theft_Coupe @ Friday, Jun 21 2013, 03:58)

Los Santos is the only major city within the overall GTAV map, get the f*ck over it! sly.gif suicidal.gif  

 

Would a city that's the same size as San Fierro in San Andreas be considered a major city?

kudos to Choco Taco

 

one of the best pieces yet. even if SF was scaled a bit larger, it's less than half LS.

So it begs the question, is it a major city or a "town". I think it's small enough R* could still make the

"LS is the only major city" claim & yet include something this size.

[Zulu412]

from another other cities thread:

 

QUOTE (Grand_Theft_Coupe @ Friday, Jun 21 2013, 03:58)

Los Santos is the only major city within the overall GTAV map, get the f*ck over it! sly.gif suicidal.gif  

 

Would a city that's the same size as San Fierro in San Andreas be considered a major city?

kudos to Choco Taco

 

one of the best pieces yet. even if SF was scaled a bit larger, it's less than half LS.

So it begs the question, is it a major city or a "town". I think it's small enough R* could still make the

"LS is the only major city" claim & yet include something this size.

Really, You need to reevaluate your face palming sir.

it looks like the scale is pretty spot on. I mean just look at 1 city block...or even the airport.

In a map as massive as V is supposed to be, I don't think there's any way that would be considered

a major city...at least not compared to Los Santos.

Something that size could easily be hidden by R* with what we've seen.

[kjacked]

im sorry, but that is stupid on so many levels its just ridiculous. first of all, san fierro is not going to be in the game. second of all, if it was in the game it wouldnt be original xbox era san fierro in either appearance or size. also, what city would they include that would be the size of san andreas era san fierro? when they said no other major cities they didnt mean " we are gonna put all the cities the san andreas fanboys dream of at night in the game but we are gonna keep them small so that they dont qualify as a 'major city' and everyone will be surprised when the game comes out"...... they meant NO OTHER MAJOR CITIES! there will be a few small towns like sandy shores here and there but there will be no san diego, or las venturas, or san fierro, or liberty city, or any other cities you guys want to be in the game. as i have said many times now i will gladly bet anyone on the forums $100 that los santos will be the only major city in the game. the executive producer explained in great detail in the game informer q and a that los santos will be the only major city. end of story

 

 

[Dale Nixon]

first of all, san fierro is not going to be in the game.

thanks bro

 

you still mopping the floors over at rockstar north?

[Choco Taco]

the executive producer explained in great detail in the game informer q and a that los santos will be the only major city. end of story

Would a city the size of San Fierro in San Andreas be considered a major city?

[Fisha695]

im sorry, but that is stupid on so many levels its just ridiculous. first of all, san fierro is not going to be in the game. second of all, if it was in the game it wouldnt be original xbox era san fierro in either appearance or size. also, what city would they include that would be the size of san andreas era san fierro? when they said no other major cities they didnt mean " we are gonna put all the cities the san andreas fanboys dream of at night in the game but we are gonna keep them small so that they dont qualify as a 'major city' and everyone will be surprised when the game comes out"...... they meant NO OTHER MAJOR CITIES! there will be a few small towns like sandy shores here and there but there will be no san diego, or las venturas, or san fierro, or liberty city, or any other cities you guys want to be in the game. as i have said many times now i will gladly bet anyone on the forums $100 that los santos will be the only major city in the game. the executive producer explained in great detail in the game informer q and a that los santos will be the only major city. end of story

Kid, if you actually pay attention you would see that his post was not saying "OMG San Fierro could be in the game" he was saying based off of scale a city the size of San Fierro from the PS2 era could be in the game as a City or Town and be bigger then a small town (Sandy Shores for example) but not big enough to be considered a "major city".

[kjacked]

@dale, i dont work at rockstar. i can read however.... like the time i read the game informer q and a and dan houser told us all that los santos is the only major city in the game.

 

@choco, you have no way of knowing how to properly scale the image of san fierro with the blueprint seeing as no one knows the size of los santos yet. also, the size of the town next to the salton sea looked to cover quite a bit of real estate. it is basically an overgrown trailer park. does that make it a major city? i live in a town of 6900 people. the tallest building in town is two stories tall, boundary wise my town covers more square miles than all of san andreas' map... so does that mean i live in a major city? wow! who knew

 

@fish, kid? im 27... and if you will read my post ill direct you to the NO OTHER MAJOR CITIES part! i never said there wasnt other towns in the game. we have seen sandy shores and likely another small town (bay city) but all the people saying sf or lv or san diego or any other major city could be in the game either cant read or ignore direct information to the contrary.

Edited June 24, 2013 by kjacked

[Dale Nixon]

kjacked you need to find a girl to love or something

[Deffpony]

"There will be no other major cities"

 

The key word here is major. Who knows how big a town could be, or how many towns there could be

[Choco Taco]

@choco, you have no way of knowing how to properly scale the image of san fierro with the blueprint seeing as no one knows the size of los santos yet. also, the size of the town next to the salton sea looked to cover quite a bit of real estate. it is basically an overgrown trailer park. does that make it a major city? i live in a town of 6900 people. the tallest building in town is two stories tall, boundary wise my town covers more square miles than all of san andreas' map... so does that mean i live in a major city? wow! who knew

 

Assuming they're scaled correctly, would San Fierro in San Andreas be considered a major city in GTA V?

 

[kjacked]

 

kjacked you need to find a girl to love or something

ive got one

 

@defpony i fully agree. i think there will be 2-4 towns around the map, maybe more considering the number of small towns in red dead. bay city (if thats the one where trevor is walking down the sidewalk in front of a pharmacy and a large mountain) appears to be decent size, but the distinction between a city and a town is very clear. liberty city is modeled after new york, los santos is modeled after los angeles, if they were to include another major city (they already said they arent) it would likely be modeled after a real life city just like las vegas and san fran in san andreas. no other major cities will be in the game. there will be some small towns in the game without a doubt, and im sure they will cover a decent amount of ground, but thats all they will be... towns. no sky scrapers, no subways, no traffic jams... none of that.

 

@choco, san fierro from san andreas is in san andreas. it isnt in gta v. if it was it would be greatly undersized and just look silly. the point im trying to make is this: if they included the greatly undersized san fierro in gta v and called it san fierro and played it off as san fierro then yes it would be considered a major city because its obviously modeled after san francisco (a major city). if they included a trailer park town that covered the same square mileage as gta sa san fierro and it had a few dozen one story buildings and trailers (sandy shores) then no it wouldnt be considered a major city. its not about the square mileage. its about how they use the space. the screens of trevor walking down the sidewalk show him in a town. los santos is very clearly a city. as i already stated my town covers much more ground than all of san andreas. no one has ever called my town a city. in fact the closest city is st louis and its 90 miles away.

Edited June 24, 2013 by kjacked

[Dale Nixon]

kjacked you need to find a girl to love or something

ive got one

 

 

that's wonderful man. so what's the problem? does she not like sucking your dick or something?

[Deffpony]

kjacked you need to find a girl to love or something

ive got one

 

@defpony i fully agree. i think there will be 2-4 towns around the map, maybe more considering the number of small towns in red dead. bay city (if thats the one where trevor is walking down the sidewalk in front of a pharmacy and a large mountain) appears to be decent size, but the distinction between a city and a town is very clear. liberty city is modeled after new york, los santos is modeled after los angeles, if they were to include another major city (they already said they arent) it would likely be modeled after a real life city just like las vegas and san fran in san andreas. no other major cities will be in the game. there will be some small towns in the game without a doubt, and im sure they will cover a decent amount of ground, but thats all they will be... towns. no sky scrapers, no subways, no traffic jams... none of that.

Pretty much exactly how I feel.

[Fisha695]

Population

12,828,837 = Los Angeles Metro Area

04,335,391 = San Francisco Metro Area

03,095,313 = San Diego Metro Area

01,951,269 = Las Vegas Metro Area

 

If LA is classified as a "Major City" then I would personally classify a city the size of SF or SD as a Medium City & LV as a Small City, ergo they are not "ruled out by blah blah blah interview".

 

Hell the SF, SD & LV Metro Areas combined = 9,381,973 which would still be smaller then LA by the size of SD.

 

 

Even when you look at the City proper and don't count the entire Metro area;

3,792,621 = LA

1,307,402 = SD

0,805,235 = SF

0,596,424 = LV

 

LA is still 3 times larger then SD & 6 times larger then LV, so personally when saying even by these numbers that LA is a "Major City" then I don't consider any of those other 3 cities to be anything close to being "Major".

 

Once again SD, SF & LV combined = 2,709,061 which is over 1,000,000 people combined in population of the City Proper of LA alone, so yeah none of those are "Major Cities".

 

EDIT: It should also be stated that the state of California does not legally differentiate between the definition of a City and a Town, all Towns can be Cities & all Cities can be Towns. This means they could easily put something in there representing LV or SF (especially if talking about just the City proper & not the entire Metro area) and label it as a "Big Town".

Edited June 24, 2013 by Fisha695

[GlitzyTomb]

Comparing city populations to one of the most populous cities in the country, and then declaring any city smaller than that most populous city doesn't really work.

 

San Diego, Las Vegas, and San Francisco are all certainly a lot smaller than Los Angeles...but they're still not small.

 

Small is a town like Brawley, Susanville, El Centro, or Calipatria.

[kjacked]

Population

12,828,837 = Los Angeles Metro Area

04,335,391 = San Francisco Metro Area

03,095,313 = San Diego Metro Area

01,951,269 = Las Vegas Metro Area

 

If LA is classified as a "Major City" then I would personally classify a city the size of SF or SD as a Medium City & LV as a Small City, ergo they are not "ruled out by blah blah blah interview".

 

Hell the SF, SD & LV Metro Areas combined = 9,381,973 which would still be smaller then LA by the size of SD.

 

 

Even when you look at the City proper and don't count the entire Metro area;

3,792,621 = LA

1,307,402 = SD

0,805,235 = SF

0,596,424 = LV

 

LA is still 3 times larger then SD & 6 times larger then LV, so personally when saying even by these numbers that LA is a "Major City" then I don't consider any of those other 3 cities to be anything close to being "Major".

 

Once again SD, SF & LV combined = 2,709,061 which is over 1,000,000 people combined in population of the City Proper of LA alone, so yeah none of those are "Major Cities".

this is very flawed logic. you just chose one of the largest cities in the world as your example and then said nothing else is a major city because its smaller than your example? if someone has to explain to you the difference between a city and a town then you are gonna be at this for a while and very disappointed when the game comes out. ill bet you $100 every city you just named wont be in the game (other than los angeles/los santos)...

 

@dale, is that really any of your business? and its usually a safe bet to talk the same to someone online as you would in person, and i can promise you you wouldnt speak of my girlfriend in such a manner to me in person. if you did it would likely be the last thing you would say for 4 to 6 weeks that would be recognizable. if you dont have anything constructive to add to the thread topic then go somewhere else

[Dale Nixon]

 

is that really any of your business? and its usually a safe bet to talk the same to someone online as you would in person, and i can promise you you wouldnt speak of my girlfriend in such a manner to me in person. if you did it would likely be the last thing you would say for 4 to 6 weeks that would be recognizable. if you dont have anything constructive to add to the thread topic then go somewhere else

 

damn hermano, you 27 year old happy dudes with a girl reply hardass wannabe rough on the internet.

 

guess she ain't suckin ya dick then. too bad, chum, can't win 'em all y'know?

[Choco Taco]

i can promise you you wouldnt speak of my girlfriend in such a manner to me in person. if you did it would likely be the last thing you would say for 4 to 6 weeks that would be recognizable.

Yeah, right.

 

 

Assuming they're scaled correctly, would a city the size of San Fierro in San Andreas with the same number of blocks and same-sized buildings be considered a major city in GTA V?

[kjacked]

i can promise you you wouldnt speak of my girlfriend in such a manner to me in person. if you did it would likely be the last thing you would say for 4 to 6 weeks that would be recognizable.

Yeah, right.

 

 

Assuming they're scaled correctly, would a city the size of San Fierro in San Andreas with the same number of blocks and same-sized buildings be considered a major city in GTA V?

"if they included the greatly undersized san fierro in gta v and called it san fierro and played it off as san fierro then yes it would be considered a major city because its obviously modeled after san francisco (a major city)."

 

i literally posted that after you asked me that the first time and even led it off with @CHOCO... are you having trouble reading or do you just like repeating yourself pointlessly?

[Choco Taco]

"if they included the greatly undersized san fierro in gta v and called it san fierro and played it off as san fierro then yes it would be considered a major city because its obviously modeled after san francisco (a major city)."

 

i literally posted that after you asked me that the first time and even led it off with @CHOCO... are you having trouble reading or do you just like repeating yourself pointlessly?

You're not answering the question that I'm asking. One more time...

 

Assuming they're scaled correctly, would a city the size of San Fierro in San Andreas with the same number of blocks and same-sized buildings be considered a major city in GTA V?

[Fisha695]

 

this is very flawed logic. you just chose one of the largest cities in the world as your example and then said nothing else is a major city because its smaller than your example?

Some further comparisons using the City Proper population numbers.

 

SD is smaller then Houston, Philly & Phoenix. Now I've never been to Houston or Phoenix but I've been to Philly multiple times and don't consider it a "Major City" at all, so naturally anything smaller then it would not be seen as a "Major City" either. From what I know about Phoenix I don't consider that to be that big of a city either.

 

SF is smaller then Jacksonville, Austin, Indy, Dallas & even San Jose. I've been to Jacksonville and it's not what I would even consider a "Big City", I thought it was just barely a Medium sized one. So if SF is smaller then those other cities that certainly makes it a lot smaller then LA (which ranks 12 spots higher then SF in population).

 

LV is well smaller then Baltimore, Washington DC, Milwaukee, El Paso, Memphis, Boston, Charlotte, Detroit & others... Do I really have to type this all out again? LV is nowhere close to being a "Major City" or a "Big City", I'd put it on the small side of the 'Medium City" scale.

 

 

 

if someone has to explain to you the difference between a city and a town then you are gonna be at this for a while

I don't give a damn what you think is a City or a Town, the legal definition of a City & Town change from state to state across the country & in California (where the game is set) there is no legal difference between a City or Town.

34502 http://law.justia.com/codes/california/200...4500-34504.html

56722 http://law.justia.com/codes/california/200...6720-56724.html

 

 

 

and very disappointed when the game comes out.

I'm not gonna be disappointed at all, hell it doesn't matter to me if there are no cities or towns in the game at-all.

 

 

 

ill bet you $100 every city you just named wont be in the game (other than los angeles/los santos)...

You wanna make that so it includes any potential official add-ons during the life cycle of the game (7th gen consoles as well as PC & 8th gen consoles if it is released on those formats)?