Bernard Jazz Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 The problem is that this sets a precedent for consumer rights. If people just bend over and allow companies to fiscally fist them then the trend is going to continue. Microsoft are clearly catering towards developers and publishers this gen by allowing them to milk the last lumpy dribble of profit from a products tit. Consumers will be screwed over: If your internet connection is cut off for an extended period, you essentially have an ovepriced bluray player. The odds of discounted games in the online store are slim if they have a firm stranglehold over the used games market. The servers won't stay up indefinitely, there will come a time where the "Xbone" won't be capable of playing games. It's fair enough to argue the same about Steam, but they offset it somewhat with their massive discounts, Steam work shop (mod support), extensive list of demo's, ability to play games offline and even free games. Valve do at least acknowledge the consumer whereas Microsoft show blatant disregard. I hope their console fails spectacularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatterBoxFM Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Can someone explain to me why not-always-on DRM bothers you so much? I get the resistance to the always-on types that means people with dodgy or intermittent internet connections can't game much of the time, but what's so intrusive about the "register once, play forever" approach unless your aim is to subvert the terms of the EULA or engage in piracy? To be honest, in my view it won't be too long until the entire console marketplace is a Steam-like entity where everything is delivered digitally. You know those guys that have been in prison for so long they don't want to leave? It';s sotra like that. Just because someone is doing it doesn't mean it's right or the best thing for them. they have been menipulated into thinking that way. EA has been voted worst company TWO years in a row because of the selfish, greedy business tactics they implemented in their games. Edited June 10, 2013 by ChatterBoxFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Valor Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Sivispacem: You've always struck me as someone who lives in a selfish little bubble, but you know what? A lot of people don't, and their choices have consequences. What, I'm selfish because I don't understand why people object to having to register products once in order to use them? Care to explain this? It's pretty common with most goods and services. You don't have to register books, DVDs, CDs, toys, clothes, furniture, appliances, TVs, electronics, etc... What makes video games so special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Sivispacem: You've always struck me as someone who lives in a selfish little bubble, but you know what? A lot of people don't, and their choices have consequences. What, I'm selfish because I don't understand why people object to having to register products once in order to use them? Care to explain this? It's pretty common with most goods and services. You don't have to register books, DVDs, CDs, toys, clothes, furniture, appliances, TVs, electronics, etc... What makes video games so special? Good points, it doesn't really make Sivis a selfish person though, simply because he doesn't mind the DRM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saliva Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I think PS3 had DRM for games, just none of the developers really used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Valor Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Sivispacem: You've always struck me as someone who lives in a selfish little bubble, but you know what? A lot of people don't, and their choices have consequences. What, I'm selfish because I don't understand why people object to having to register products once in order to use them? Care to explain this? It's pretty common with most goods and services. You don't have to register books, DVDs, CDs, toys, clothes, furniture, appliances, TVs, electronics, etc... What makes video games so special? Good points, it doesn't really make Sivis a selfish person though, simply because he doesn't mind the DRM. I never said anything about him being selfish, but he is wrong that "most goods and services" require a form of user registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Sivispacem: You've always struck me as someone who lives in a selfish little bubble, but you know what? A lot of people don't, and their choices have consequences. What, I'm selfish because I don't understand why people object to having to register products once in order to use them? Care to explain this? It's pretty common with most goods and services. You don't have to register books, DVDs, CDs, toys, clothes, furniture, appliances, TVs, electronics, etc... What makes video games so special? Good points, it doesn't really make Sivis a selfish person though, simply because he doesn't mind the DRM. I never said anything about him being selfish, but he is wrong that "most goods and services" require a form of user registration. I didn't think you did, I was using your points to reply to Joseph X who most likely has similar points and implied them when he called Sivis selfish, I was wondering how those Implied points which you outlined made Sivis selfish/warranted calling him out for it. Sorry If I confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 On PC we have this since 2008-09, since the rise of Steam and majority got used to it, seems like they aren't giving a damn about inability to resell games. And contrary to your beliefs, PC market has been only rising since. That's why people like kudoboi or sivispacem aren't selfish - they just got used to it after many years. And you will too. Statements like: If gaming industry push their customers too far then people would just stop playing games, after all that is just not that important in life. are ridiculous. Addicts Gamers would rather adapt than ditch. + see my PC gaming example above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatterBoxFM Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 On PC we have this since 2008-09, since the rise of Steam and majority got used to it, seems like they aren't giving a damn about inability to resell games. And contrary to your beliefs, PC market has been only rising since. That's why people like kudoboi or sivispacem aren't selfish - they just got used to it after many years. And you will too. Statements like: If gaming industry push their customers too far then people would just stop playing games, after all that is just not that important in life. are ridiculous. Addicts Gamers would rather adapt than ditch. + see my PC gaming example above. well i already have a PC so why would I buy a new console? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Corleone Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 End of gaming lol. I think that in the long term discs will 'disappear' and the steam system will show up on consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 So Sony has said there is no restrictions, no need for online connection and no used game stranglehold. Easily buying the PS4 now. The reason the online connection sucks is if I havent turned my console on for 24 hours, I come home and my internet is down, I can't even play f*cking Pac Man. They have your games held hostage. Server downtime, maintenence and issues like that will stop you from playing. If I buy a game that is online only, that is the choice the developers designed it for, for a good reason. And by buying it I choose to buy into their ideas. But having the console require it makes no sense and is just another way to f*ck us in the ass. Not that it will be for years now, maybe even a decade, but there WILL come a time where they shut down the servers and support for the Xbox One and then all you have is a paperweight. It is the principle of it, that I am buying sh*te that I don't even fully own. It may as well just be an on demand streaming service. We can have singleplayer mixed with multipler right now, it is not that games with persistent worlds can't be done if it doesnt require an internet connection, I mean you are allowed to be offline for 24 hours so the games MUST run without the connect, so why force it? It is just to control us, so f*ck them, PS4 it is. Kinda sucks I have to pay for online gaming on PS4 but I have been doing it on 360 for years so there is no issue, being able to play offline and no used games bullsh*t will just kill off the Xbox One unless they change their sh*t real soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp92 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Could we close this? Or atleast edit the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx165 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Ps4 crushed Xbox 1's specs. Xbox One is down!!!!! I repeat: XBOX ONE IS DOWN!!!!! Quick someone call an ambulance Wii U Wii U Wii U Wii U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mordecai Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Ps4 crushed Xbox 1's specs. Xbox One is down!!!!! I repeat: XBOX ONE IS DOWN!!!!! Quick someone call an ambulance Wii U Wii U Wii U Wii U. Oh, how original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx165 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Ps4 crushed Xbox 1's specs. Xbox One is down!!!!! I repeat: XBOX ONE IS DOWN!!!!! Quick someone call an ambulance Wii U Wii U Wii U Wii U. Oh, how original. Not mine but I did find it funny. Guy in the comments wrote it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humidex Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) I'll be buying the PS4 out of the principle that a company shouldn't be treating its customers as an afterthought, which seems to be Microsoft's game plan. Edited June 11, 2013 by karaokequeen3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatterBoxFM Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Sony reveals used game policy, crowd goes WILD! E3 2013 - PlayStation 4 - How You Share Games on PS4 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acmilano Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 On PC we have this since 2008-09, since the rise of Steam and majority got used to it, seems like they aren't giving a damn about inability to resell games. And contrary to your beliefs, PC market has been only rising since. That's why people like kudoboi or sivispacem aren't selfish - they just got used to it after many years. And you will too. Statements like: If gaming industry push their customers too far then people would just stop playing games, after all that is just not that important in life. are ridiculous. Addicts Gamers would rather adapt than ditch. + see my PC gaming example above. You are not limited even on steam,can always sell your account thanks to the fact that is not limited on only one pc,probably possible with PSN and XLive acc: http://www.pik.ba/artikal/7293904/prodajem-2-legalna-steama/ And newer games don't make that many addicts anymore.Everybody still talks about FF7 or original Mafia,but not many people really cares about most of the games from last 5-6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatterBoxFM Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 So if we are forced to do something for long enough we will end up liking it? Yeah, if you are a weak minded human. (or American) He sounds like the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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