Does 9/11 still get to you?

[The Pizza Delivery Guy]

The Government is corrupt. It was planned. Even if it wasn't, we went to war for reasons other than bomb scares.

 

It was planned to kill more than a 100 people and destroy what was once the worlds most tallest building? You're saying the Government are having a laugh with the terrorists saying "Hey why don't you go kill some people and destroy the WTC?" you know how retarded that sounds?

Here comes that conspiracy theorist in me again. Damn.

 

There are nearly 300 MILLION people in the U.S., legal or otherwise. The government is in dire straights and have been for quite a while. Spending was much greater than profit, and they saw great profit in the Far East. They saw oil, and they wanted it. But they needed an excuse to go over to forcibly take the oil. That's why they decided to stage a terrorist attack on two of the most iconic buildings in the world.

 

They would blame it on the Arabs, giving them an excuse to war and an excuse to invade. They wanted resources, they wanted money, and a couple American lives were the cost. It was a sinister plan, executed nearly perfectly, and the U.S. headed to Afghan.

 

So there's my idea on a reason for government to kill it's own people: They wanted money, and 100 people to them are flies on dog sh*t. Why should they care about such a small amount of people. The other 299,999,900 people can pay enough taxes to make up for the loss in a couple hours flat.

 

 

[Hip Hop]

Being of a certain age, living circumstances, etc, have nothing to do with my outlook on life.

 

I'm not a teenager, I don't live with my parents, and I'm certain I know more about the world than the people who will argue with my prior post.

 

I do have compassion, but you need to be aware that these things happen on a daily basis.

 

9/11 hit America, the most well-known, powerful country in the world. Oh isn't it a tragedy when terrible things happen to a civilized society? The only reason you can relate to it is because of White America. You don't care about what happens in third-world countries, you don't care when a family of innocent people get blown to pieces, or shot in the head one-by-one. Why? Because it isn't broadcast. Because when you read the newspapers, it doesn't state how many civilians are killed, only our soldiers.

 

11 soldiers die in a roadside bomb in a single day.

100 civilians die by our soldiers who "mistake" them for a terrorist, or by terrorists themselves.

 

Once you've exposed yourself to as much truth as I have (however egotistical you may assume that sounds), you certainly get desensitized to it.

 

You relate to what you are exposed to. It's not normal for a madman to go around with a gun and shoot people in public, but when it does happen, there's a news storm.

 

In other parts of the world, more terrible things happen by the hour. Open your eyes.

[FAH-Q]

Well, I'm glad I'm not you.

[Tyler]

Being of a certain age, living circumstances, etc, have nothing to do with my outlook on life.

Except those are the basis for your entire outlook on your life and whatnot.

[Vercetti42]

Being of a certain age, living circumstances, etc, have nothing to do with my outlook on life.

 

I'm not a teenager, I don't live with my parents, and I'm certain I know more about the world than the people who will argue with my prior post.

 

I do have compassion, but you need to be aware that these things happen on a daily basis.

 

9/11 hit America, the most well-known, powerful country in the world. Oh isn't it a tragedy when terrible things happen to a civilized society? The only reason you can relate to it is because of White America. You don't care about what happens in third-world countries, you don't care when a family of innocent people get blown to pieces, or shot in the head one-by-one. Why? Because it isn't broadcast. Because when you read the newspapers, it doesn't state how many civilians are killed, only our soldiers.

 

11 soldiers die in a roadside bomb in a single day.

100 civilians die by our soldiers who "mistake" them for a terrorist, or by terrorists themselves.

 

11 soldiers die in a roadside bomb in a single day.

100 civilians die by our soldiers who "mistake" them for a terrorist, or by terrorists themselves.

 

 

In other parts of the world, more terrible things happen by the hour. Open your eyes.

 

I'm not a teenager, I don't live with my parents, and I'm certain I know more about the world than the people who will argue with my prior post.

 

Seems legit.

 

 

9/11 hit America, the most well-known, powerful country in the world. Oh isn't it a tragedy when terrible things happen to a civilized society? The only reason you can relate to it is because of White America. You don't care about what happens in third-world countries, you don't care when a family of innocent people get blown to pieces, or shot in the head one-by-one. Why? Because it isn't broadcast. Because when you read the newspapers, it doesn't state how many civilians are killed, only our soldiers.

 

 

We all know what happens around the world, thank you very much.

 

 

11 soldiers die in a roadside bomb in a single day.

100 civilians die by our soldiers who "mistake" them for a terrorist, or by terrorists themselves.

 

I just don't know what t say here, I'm speechless.

 

The rest of your post is absolutely crap.

 

 

 

[Hip Hop]

Being of a certain age, living circumstances, etc, have nothing to do with my outlook on life.

Except those are the basis for your entire outlook on your life and whatnot.

But they're coming from the angle that my outlook on life is due to them assuming I'm a teenager, shielded by a secure foundation.

 

It's really not all that hard to understand where I'm coming from.

[FAH-Q]

Hey guys! He's not a teenager, he is 20, he is a big boy now.

[Gray Wolf]

@Hip Hop: So what you're basically saying is you don't give a damn about what happens in the USA because other countries aren't getting noticed in their own disasters?

 

The fact is other countries are noticed when something bad happens, Look at Syria, it's on the news all the time here in the UK, so was Japan when the Tsunami hit them, and many other countries was noticed when something bad happened to them

[sivispacem]

 

But they're coming from the angle that my outlook on life is due to them assuming I'm a teenager, shielded by a secure foundation.

Which is why you post threads on public internet forums discussing how you got caught milking your heifer, and how your mum still does your washing for you? I don't mean to be blunt, but your contributions to General Chat speak exponentially more of you as a person than any vague claim of wise world-weary experience does. I'd be really interested to see what on earth makes you think you "know more about the world" than me, or anyone else over the age of about 16 for that matter? Because I fundamentally disagree with your initial statements.

[Typhus]

In other parts of the world, more terrible things happen by the hour. Open your eyes.

Open our eyes to the suffering in the world?

If you took your own advice, you'd soon stop giving a sh*t about these 'other parts of the world' and realise that we are simply playing the same game as our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers.

Killing and being killed, it's how we are. And you know what the soundtrack to that butchery is? The pitiable little objections of men like you. All whining, all crying, all utterly powerless.

 

I'm sick of your moralising, it's boring.

Can't you open your eyes and just embrace how brutal life really is? Why do you insist on trying to care? Dead Americans or dead Iraqis or dead Afghans or Syrians, they're all the same - just stuffing for the history books. You know that, right?

[Shenmue18]

A lil bit. But the main traumatization is gone now. But what DOES get to me is when people make fun of the situation. Mainly it's lil kids who weren't even born or was too little to remember what happened that day. No respect this generation I tell you.

This is exactly how I feel too.

[NCONiall]

 

Once you've exposed yourself to as much truth as I have (however egotistical you may assume that sounds), you certainly get desensitized to it.

You mean by visiting sites such as Best Gore? Throw in a bit of Live Leak? Plus a lot of those beheading videos are showing up on Facebook, along with hangings, beatings, lynchings, etc., so I wouldn't say that they're completely hidden from the rest of the world.

[FAH-Q]

Oh, and how's that American hip hop going for ya?

[Raavi]

September 11 2001, was not only the day the US changed, the whole world changed. But those changes are futile when looking at what all the families of the victims went trough. Thousands of innocent people; parents, children, grandchildren, uncles and aunts.. all killed in mere hours. Families ripped apart. I remember watching the first plane hit the first tower live on television, it was so unreal, like it could've come right out of a movie. But it wasn't, it was reality. Reality that to this date remains incomprehensible, the 'why' still has many people at a loss for words; A 'holy war', it was religion, something that's supposed to bring peace, that lead to the death of thousands of innocent people in mere hours. It's difficult too grasp. It was a day of collective despair, impuissance and above all fear, another strike could transpire anywhere, anytime. The fact that I still remember vividly what I did, what I wore and what I was thinking that day should speak for itself.

[Devyl]

 

The Government is corrupt. It was planned. Even if it wasn't, we went to war for reasons other than bomb scares.

 

It was planned to kill more than a 100 people and destroy what was once the worlds most tallest building? You're saying the Government are having a laugh with the terrorists saying "Hey why don't you go kill some people and destroy the WTC?" you know how retarded that sounds?

Here comes that conspiracy theorist in me again. Damn.

 

There are nearly 300 MILLION people in the U.S., legal or otherwise. The government is in dire straights and have been for quite a while. Spending was much greater than profit, and they saw great profit in the Far East. They saw oil, and they wanted it. But they needed an excuse to go over to forcibly take the oil. That's why they decided to stage a terrorist attack on two of the most iconic buildings in the world.

 

They would blame it on the Arabs, giving them an excuse to war and an excuse to invade. They wanted resources, they wanted money, and a couple American lives were the cost. It was a sinister plan, executed nearly perfectly, and the U.S. headed to Afghan.

 

So there's my idea on a reason for government to kill it's own people: They wanted money, and 100 people to them are flies on dog sh*t. Why should they care about such a small amount of people. The other 299,999,900 people can pay enough taxes to make up for the loss in a couple hours flat.

Slight problem with your theory there, bud. The U.S. imports almost double the oil from Canada than what we get from the Arabian peninsula. If your theory is correct, we should have blamed it on hijacking Canadians high on maple syrup and threatening people with ice skates instead of box cutters.

[The Pizza Delivery Guy]

The Government is corrupt. It was planned. Even if it wasn't, we went to war for reasons other than bomb scares.

 

It was planned to kill more than a 100 people and destroy what was once the worlds most tallest building? You're saying the Government are having a laugh with the terrorists saying "Hey why don't you go kill some people and destroy the WTC?" you know how retarded that sounds?

Here comes that conspiracy theorist in me again. Damn.

 

There are nearly 300 MILLION people in the U.S., legal or otherwise. The government is in dire straights and have been for quite a while. Spending was much greater than profit, and they saw great profit in the Far East. They saw oil, and they wanted it. But they needed an excuse to go over to forcibly take the oil. That's why they decided to stage a terrorist attack on two of the most iconic buildings in the world.

 

They would blame it on the Arabs, giving them an excuse to war and an excuse to invade. They wanted resources, they wanted money, and a couple American lives were the cost. It was a sinister plan, executed nearly perfectly, and the U.S. headed to Afghan.

 

So there's my idea on a reason for government to kill it's own people: They wanted money, and 100 people to them are flies on dog sh*t. Why should they care about such a small amount of people. The other 299,999,900 people can pay enough taxes to make up for the loss in a couple hours flat.

Slight problem with your theory there, bud. The U.S. imports almost double the oil from Canada than what we get from the Arabian peninsula. If your theory is correct, we should have blamed it on hijacking Canadians high on maple syrup and threatening people with ice skates instead of box cutters.

Now no one would have believed that! Canadians are way too nice to randomly attack the U.S.!

[bread]

I have a question that sort of relates to the topic, but, does anyone ALWAYS seem to see the time 9:11 on the clock? Because in my case I ALWAYS notice it. Literally, more than half the time I'm looking at a clock it says 9:11. Why?

[Bartleby]

 

I have a question that sort of relates to the topic, but, does anyone ALWAYS seem to see the time 9:11 on the clock? Because in my case I ALWAYS notice it. Literally, more than half the time I'm looking at a clock it says 9:11. Why?

Probably an example of a confirmation bias. You forget the times when you looked at the clock and the numbers held no further significance.

 

I was in the seventh grade when 9/11 happened. I was thousands of miles away in California, and if I told you I felt a profound and emphatic sense of horror, dread, and sorrow, well I'd be lying. Looking at some of the videos now though, it's pretty chilling.

[BullyIstheBestRockstarGame]

Not really the world is full of tragedies and people suffering everyday.

[Thamuz]

I don't think much about it, but I still remember exactly what I was doing the day it happened.

[Chris Fromage]

I still remember reading about how the Palestinians were dancing in the streets after it happened.

And you immediately believed it...?

[GTASAddict]

Some questions that puzzle me:

 

#1: Due to the scorching heat (500+ degrees), wouldn't people strip?

 

#2: Whenever I go near large water, I bring forth a life-jacket; whenever you're working in high elevation, isn't a parachute essential?

 

#3: Would thermal goggles have aided in seeing through the smoke?

Edited June 8, 2013 by GTASAddict

[sivispacem]

 

#2: Whenever I go near large water, I bring fourth a life-jacket; whenever you're working in high elevation, isn't a parachute essential?

An idiot can use a life jacket. You need days of training in order to be able to use a parachute properly. BASE jumping in secluded places is hard enough- try doing it from a burning building in a densely packed urban skyline.

 

 

#3: Would thermal goggles have aided sufferers the ability to see despite the smoke?

The issue wasn't finding people before the collapse- the issue was that quite a large number of people were physically inaccessible. Thermal goggles may have actually been used- I'm not sure- but given pockets of extreme heat and the large number of opaque internal dividing walls, I doubt they would have made a huge difference even if they hadn't been used and were.

[LittleBlueTroll]

Not really the world is full of tragedies and people suffering everyday.

I don't understand when people say things like this. Just because 9/11 is one of the many tragedies to happen on this planet, that doesn't make it ok to just shrug it off and think "well, sh*t happens"

 

It doesn't matter what is going on in the world, a tragedy is still a tragedy. If a hurricane killed a few hundred people in New York for example, you wouldn't look at the situation and go "Well, it's not as bad as 9/11" Because the two are not really relevant, they are not there to be compared.

 

 

[Distrom]

I was 4 years old when 9/11 happened, I was watching it with my mom on the TV, but I didn't get what was happening at all.

[Typhus]

It doesn't matter what is going on in the world, a tragedy is still a tragedy.

When tragedy becomes commonplace, single instances of suffering cease to mean anything.

[K20]

 

part of me still believe that this was indeed a demolition job.

Thankfully support for this view has waned dramatically, primarily due to the fact it is mathematically, logistically and physically impossible.

by demolition i don't mean strapping c4 to all the columns. i mean the planes, they were in an essence a huge wrecking ball.

 

i also believe that 9/11 wasn't entirely religious motive. the government were supporting the extremists back in the day, i reckon since then they have some control over al Qaeda, and are using them to their financial and power gains.

 

invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq isn't to get rid of "baddies", its for power and money. and 9/11 was a reason for invasion. a perfect excuse.

 

populations are growing. more resources are needed. wars have to be created and won in order for countries to survive.

 

anyone heard of the light bulb theory? http://conspiracy.wikia.com/wiki/Light_bulb_conspiracy

 

make stuff that doesnt last long so people keep buying. and jobs are created. same situation applies to wars. create them so people get resources coming in, and things to do. if things lasted forever, no one will have jobs.

[sivispacem]

 

i also believe that 9/11 wasn't entirely religious motive.

You'd be absolutely right. Islamist terrorism has very little to do with religion and a great deal to do with political power. Religion is just the tool that the ring-leaders use to whip the ignorant lackeys who actually perform the attacks into shape- and a very powerful tool it is too. No-one with the vaguest understanding of Islamic religious scripture would believe that Jihad, in any interpretation, would justify an unprovoked attack on the civilians of a foreign state. That's Fasad (unclean, corrupted and unlawful), not Jihad. It's more a gesture against the encroaching foreign influences on the Arab and Islamic world created by a globalised society and spear-headed by the West- the motivating forces behind Islamic terrorism do so not because they fear that this influence damages the relationship between Islam and the people (as many insinuate), but because they're afraid of having their own personal political and spiritual power devalued by external influences. In reality it's no less of a power play than, say, the Cold War- it's all about political influence and societal control.

 

 

populations are growing. more resources are needed. wars have to be created and won in order for countries to survive.

Resource conflicts are conceptually flawed because they fail to take into account the material costs of war on the government and people. The cost of any prolonged conflict will almost always be higher for all directly concerned parties than any measurable economic gains they may make from it. "Ah", I hear you ask, "but what about the military-industrial complex- surely the defence sphere profited from the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan?" In the short term, yes. But the knock-on results of fighting counter-insurgency-style conflict devalued technological investment (COIN isn't about money or equipment, it's about human terrain analysis and sociology); combined with the economic hardships contributed to by prolonged costly conflict and the knock-on reduction in demand for defence products and services created by a streamlining of the armed forces due to budget constraints and changes in the strategic landscape, the defence economy as a whole has been severely negatively affected. At best, it's a zero-sum-game. At worst, many organisations have lost out significantly.

[JOSEPH X]

Yes. The videos of the frightened phone conversations of victims, and the desperate people jumping from the towers still gets my heart thumping.

 

At the time it was worse though - I totally lost my faith in humanity, and descended into a dark void of narcotic alcoholic despair.

[LittleBlueTroll]

It doesn't matter what is going on in the world, a tragedy is still a tragedy.

When tragedy becomes commonplace, single instances of suffering cease to mean anything.

It will always mean something to someone. The same way it will always mean nothing to someone.