How long until Pre-order/SE/CE content becomes DLC

[matt_be]

You'll find out later on. Meanwhile, keep your useless opinions to yourself because I've already told you, they've done the EXACT same thing with RDR. These editions contain features that are unlocked STRAIGHT AWAY, so people who have bought the normal edition have to unlock it in the game or have to look for the things. Or even if its not that, it's going to be released as DLC later on. Other businesses don't do this, EA and Activision actually take out the features from the game literally and re-sell it to their foolish customers without releasing it as DLC's later on.

Sorry to disappoint you, but your opinion is just as useless as mine. BTW, Red Dead Redemption didn't have a Collectors Edition, so your comparison isn't very good. Rockstar hasn't gone down to the level that EA and Activision are on, in terms of ripping off their customers, yet. Primarily, I don't want to see this stuff thrown out as DLC unless it comes with a "complete" edition which shouldn't come down the line for at least two years. That would be the reasonable choice.

[ugotsmoked]

You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that.

The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time.

[redx165]

You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that.

The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time.

So in GTA IV if you bought the special edition you got more in game? No you got other stuff. That's how it should be.

[GTAfan786]

 

You'll find out later on. Meanwhile, keep your useless opinions to yourself because I've already told you, they've done the EXACT same thing with RDR. These editions contain features that are unlocked STRAIGHT AWAY, so people who have bought the normal edition have to unlock it in the game or have to look for the things. Or even if its not that, it's going to be released as DLC later on. Other businesses don't do this, EA and Activision actually take out the features from the game literally and re-sell it to their foolish customers without releasing it as DLC's later on.

Sorry to disappoint you, but your opinion is just as useless as mine. BTW, Red Dead Redemption didn't have a Collectors Edition, so your comparison isn't very good. Rockstar hasn't gone down to the level that EA and Activision are on, in terms of ripping off their customers, yet. Primarily, I don't want to see this stuff thrown out as DLC unless it comes with a "complete" edition which shouldn't come down the line for at least two years. That would be the reasonable choice.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/pc-video-games/dp/B0038U4OTM

 

 

There is a limited edition which pretty much is what they are still doing with V. Also, RDR has collectors item too, which is VERY similar to what V is doing with the collectors edition with physical items. GOTY edition is there too. So don't act smart when you aren't.

 

 

Edit: As a matter of fact, The collectors edition comes with the exclusive "Deadly Assassin Outfit", the Soundtrack, and extra challenges in the game. It also gets it's own unique case. Therefore there was a collectors edition if you pre-ordered it.

Edited June 6, 2013 by GTAfan786

[ugotsmoked]

 

You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that.

The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time.

So in GTA IV if you bought the special edition you got more in game? No you got other stuff. That's how it should be.

What good is whining gonna do? Will you whining on this forum make Rockstar fix this the way you want it? Might as well go outside and piss into the wind.

[matt_be]

You'll find out later on. Meanwhile, keep your useless opinions to yourself because I've already told you, they've done the EXACT same thing with RDR. These editions contain features that are unlocked STRAIGHT AWAY, so people who have bought the normal edition have to unlock it in the game or have to look for the things. Or even if its not that, it's going to be released as DLC later on. Other businesses don't do this, EA and Activision actually take out the features from the game literally and re-sell it to their foolish customers without releasing it as DLC's later on.

Sorry to disappoint you, but your opinion is just as useless as mine. BTW, Red Dead Redemption didn't have a Collectors Edition, so your comparison isn't very good. Rockstar hasn't gone down to the level that EA and Activision are on, in terms of ripping off their customers, yet. Primarily, I don't want to see this stuff thrown out as DLC unless it comes with a "complete" edition which shouldn't come down the line for at least two years. That would be the reasonable choice.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/pc-video-games/dp/B0038U4OTM

 

 

There is a limited edition which pretty much is what they are still doing with V. Also, RDR has collectors item too, which is VERY similar to what V is doing with the collectors edition with physical items. GOTY edition is there too. So don't act smart when you aren't.

 

 

Edit: As a matter of fact, The collectors edition comes with the exclusive "Deadly Assassin Outfit", the Soundtrack, and extra challenges in the game. It also gets it's own unique case. Therefore there was a collectors edition if you pre-ordered it.

Everything you just said is invalid, due to the fact that you are talking about a limited edition of a game, not a collectors edition. I saw nothing about power-ups in the Red Dead Redemption Limited Edition. Did you? As for the other stuff (aside from the case) is similar, I'll happily give you that one. But the case for the limited edition is really nothing special. Just a shiny cardboard exterior with a quote from IGN. That does not in any way justify calling it a collectors edition.

[redx165]

You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that.

The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time.

So in GTA IV if you bought the special edition you got more in game? No you got other stuff. That's how it should be.

What good is whining gonna do? Will you whining on this forum make Rockstar fix this the way you want it? Might as well go outside and piss into the wind.

So you assume I'm whining? Ok then why are you whining about me whining? You might as well go outside and see that people have different views.

[matt_be]

You're the problem with the world today. You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that. Lets compare Call of Duty to Grand Theft Auto. Call of Duty been doing this for years and they release their in game add ons to the public. You want to know why they do that? For extra cash. Why have a add on sit there and not make you any money? It's stupid. Even with that. Why f*ck around with more then half of your customers? That's why no company keeps a exclusive add on only for the special edition. It f*cks up your image and you lose money that you could of gain.

You think I'm some huge fan of the idea that game publishers rip off their customers for extra money? Read my other posts, like the one where I said "I disagree with the methods that game developers/publishers use to make money, like this", before you get your final opinion on me. BUT, if they are going to do it, and it is decent content (like the stuff we're getting in the SE/CE for V) then I will pay for it, but I don't see where people who pay $60 bucks for a game get off thinking that they deserve the same game that the guy who paid $150 for got. Which is why my car analogy is relevant.

 

Yes, it is bad for a company's image to operate this way. And its already affecting the way a lot of people think when it comes to paying extra for games, like a lot of people on the forums. They are pretty confident that this content will be available later on for a low price, so they would rather wait and see.

[wwinterj]

 

Holy sh*t! Your childish ignorance is extremely tiring.

... and that's all she wrote! I'm done with your crying.

 

 

Here's a cookie:    for owning the other guy.

Thank you good sir.

 

 

However, NOTHING that I paid extra for should be available to you, unless you paid the same amount of money as me for that content. Period.

 

Here is the deal. The price of the content whatever that may be when avaible to everyone is included in the price of these editions of the game meaning we all will be paying a fee for the content and the same price. As for the extra cost of these editions save for in game items as I explained above that's for the swag. Something that will only be avaible in these editions.

 

I could understand where you're coming from if the in-game content were to be free to everyone once avaible to everyone but if Max Payne 3, Red Dead Redemption and L.A Noire are to go by they won't be free and we all will have paid more no matter what road we take.

[GTAfan786]

 

You're the problem with the world today. You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that. Lets compare Call of Duty to Grand Theft Auto. Call of Duty been doing this for years and they release their in game add ons to the public. You want to know why they do that? For extra cash. Why have a add on sit there and not make you any money? It's stupid. Even with that. Why f*ck around with more then half of your customers? That's why no company keeps a exclusive add on only for the special edition. It f*cks up your image and you lose money that you could of gain.

You think I'm some huge fan of the idea that game publishers rip off their customers for extra money? Read my other posts, like the one where I said "I disagree with the methods that game developers/publishers use to make money, like this", before you get your final opinion on me. BUT, if they are going to do it, and it is decent content (like the stuff we're getting in the SE/CE for V) then I will pay for it, but I don't see where people who pay $60 bucks for a game get off thinking that they deserve the same game that the guy who paid $150 for got. Which is why my car analogy is relevant.

 

Yes, it is bad for a company's image to operate this way. And its already affecting the way a lot of people think when it comes to paying extra for games, like a lot of people on the forums. They are pretty confident that this content will be available later on for a low price, so they would rather wait and see.

Ignorance is bliss. Everything they've done with RDR is happening on a bigger scale with V. You just can't seem to accept this. The people who are buying the collectors/limited edition is just getting the features straight away in the game, while the rest of us will either need to unlock it in the game, or wait till it comes on PSN store as DLC which is going to happen. I'd like to kindly ask you to leave this topic, since you don't even have a counter argument to this.

 

However, by no means this isn't a proud thing to do really, but it's no way close to what EA and Activision and other businesses are doing. At least we are getting the features even if we have to pay a small fee, after all, Rockstar need profit since its their biggest and most ambitious game yet and they haven't been active for 5 years.

Edited June 6, 2013 by GTAfan786

[matt_be]

Ignorance is bliss. Everything they've done with RDR is happening on a bigger scale with V. You just can't seem to accept this. The people who are buying the collectors/limited edition is just getting the features straight away in the game, while the rest of us will either need to unlock it in the game, or wait till it comes on PSN store as DLC which is going to happen. I'd like to kindly ask you to leave this topic, since you don't even have a counter argument to this.

If the content coming with the SE/CE was going to be able to be unlocked in the game at some point, then it wouldn't be included as "exclusive" content. If you are so focused on making me look ignorant, please review your replies before you submit them. I kindly ask you to slam your head through a brick wall for your own ignorance, while you try to point out mine. Or, as they say in GTA IV, "Go f*ck yourself with a machete."

 

As for your opinion about the DLC coming to the PSN store (or Xbox Live), you may very well be right. But don't expect to see it for a long time.

[grandthefthoughto]

personally i hate the "pay to win" model so many developers are pushing these days.

 

i bought the special edition (without the cap and bag), simply because i want to support rockstar as much as i can afford to (the costs involved in developing V compared to some of the shovelware this generation must be incredible), and hope all the bonuses are made available for free to everyone asap.

 

the end.

Edited June 6, 2013 by grandthefthoughto

[slumdunder]

After reading all five pages, I'd like to give my two cents on this issue. I'll just start with my opinion about Rockstar giving this content out later on after release. NO. Why? To explain, lets compare buying one of the three editions of GTA V to buying a new car. Say you and I are going to buy a new Subaru Impreza WRX. Maybe you only have enough money to go for the standard WRX, so that is what you buy. Sure, it comes with all of the standard features like "performance" seats, Bluetooth hands-free phone/audio, and some other stuff, but it isn't quite as good as the WRX Limited, which is the model that I'm getting. It has leather seats, HID headlights, sport-designed gauges, GPS, a spoiler, and some other goodies. So because I'm spending more money, I'm getting a better product. Does that give you the right to sh*t your pants and demand that Subaru gives you the same features that the WRX Limited edition has, because you "just don't have the money" for it? Nope. You pay for what you get. I paid more, so I should get more. You paid less, so you should get less.

 

I truly have no idea why some of you whine and cry when Rockstar  "cuts content" from the game to give it to people who pay more for that content. Oh, you don't have the money for it right now? Well that sucks for you. Don't expect companies to fill your hands with stuff you don't deserve when you throw your hand out saying that they aren't being fair when the offer extra content to those willing to spend extra.

You're wrong. They did it with RDR as well, and don't tell me that it's a different game because i know. But the did exactly the same thing. All the stuff is either already going to be in the game, but we might find it later on, or released as a DLC later on.

I'm wrong? I gave you my opinion. Nowhere in that post will you find the word "fact."

 

I disagree with the methods that game developers/publishers use to make money, like this. However, NOTHING that I paid extra for should be available to you, unless you paid the same amount of money as me for that content. Period. There are no if's, and's, or but's about it. The only way that the content could be sold off to people who didn't purchase special editions of the game should be a "Complete Edition". And that complete edition of the game shouldn't be available for at least two years.

 

Don't act like you are entitled to the bonus content without paying the extra fee.

You ARE wrong. Not necessarily your opinion on GTA, but your economical sense.

 

Say I get the standard version that does NOT have leather seats. Subaru will most CERTAINLY allow me to pay them extra money at a later date to have those installed. That's more profit for them. A company wants to increase sales.

 

Rockstar will keep the dlc exclusive for a short time, then start selling them. My prediction is after 4 weeks they begin to roll this stuff out (like they did with MP3 and less quickly but still pretty soon with LA Noire) because like Strauss Zelnick said, this is the most likely time that people sell their used games so it benefits them to release DLC at this point. That's in addition to the fact that selling this DLC just simply means more sales for them.

 

The Rockstar Season Pass is very highly likely to include ALL the DLC as it has every time in the past.

 

For the people who bought the very expensive CE, I hope for your sake you either love the merchandise or they give you the rockstar pass for free.

Either way, thanks for your patronage of Rockstar. They won't let you down. Your game will still be amazing.

[wwinterj]

But don't expect to see it for a long time.

2-3 months. Not to long to be honest. Even if it's longer than that we will have other DLC to keep us busy. I'll possibly buy the inevitable R* pass.

[matt_be]

But don't expect to see it for a long time.

2-3 months. Not to long to be honest. Even if it's longer than that we will have other DLC to keep us busy. I'll possibly buy the inevitable R* pass.

Try 6-8 at minimum. If the Rockstar Pass is so inevitable then so is more DLC, the kind that doesn't come from a SE/CE of the game.

[GTAfan786]

 

Ignorance is bliss. Everything they've done with RDR is happening on a bigger scale with V. You just can't seem to accept this. The people who are buying the collectors/limited edition is just getting the features straight away in the game, while the rest of us will either need to unlock it in the game, or wait till it comes on PSN store as DLC which is going to happen. I'd like to kindly ask you to leave this topic, since you don't even have a counter argument to this.

If the content coming with the SE/CE was going to be able to be unlocked in the game at some point, then it wouldn't be included as "exclusive" content. If you are so focused on making me look ignorant, please review your replies before you submit them. I kindly ask you to slam your head through a brick wall for your own ignorance, while you try to point out mine. Or, as they say in GTA IV, "Go f*ck yourself with a machete."

 

As for your opinion about the DLC coming to the PSN store (or Xbox Live), you may very well be right. But don't expect to see it for a long time.

That is why they even name it "Exclusive" in the first place. If they don't, who the f*ck would buy the two editions then? You seriously don't understand what is going on. I'm just trying to kindly explain. You didn't even notice that with RDR, how would you know what's happening with V then? And are you serious? Why would it take them 6-8 months to release these features as DLC's? It will take 2-3 months.

[Official General]

Well, I have changed my standard copy pre-order to a Special Edition pre-order earlier today.

 

If I'm gonna get extras in the game, I'd rather get them when I buy game, not wait for DLC.

[matt_be]

Ignorance is bliss. Everything they've done with RDR is happening on a bigger scale with V. You just can't seem to accept this. The people who are buying the collectors/limited edition is just getting the features straight away in the game, while the rest of us will either need to unlock it in the game, or wait till it comes on PSN store as DLC which is going to happen. I'd like to kindly ask you to leave this topic, since you don't even have a counter argument to this.

If the content coming with the SE/CE was going to be able to be unlocked in the game at some point, then it wouldn't be included as "exclusive" content. If you are so focused on making me look ignorant, please review your replies before you submit them. I kindly ask you to slam your head through a brick wall for your own ignorance, while you try to point out mine. Or, as they say in GTA IV, "Go f*ck yourself with a machete."

 

As for your opinion about the DLC coming to the PSN store (or Xbox Live), you may very well be right. But don't expect to see it for a long time.

That is why they even name it "Exclusive" in the first place. If they don't, who the f*ck would buy the two editions then? You seriously don't understand what is going on. I'm just trying to kindly explain. You didn't even notice that with RDR, how would you know what's happening with V then? And are you serious? Why would it take them 6-8 months to release these features as DLC's? It will take 2-3 months.

I am done with this conversation with you. Enjoy holding your breath for something that may never even come. Hey, maybe in a year or so you'll get what you want.

[Raavi]

 

personally i hate the "pay to win" model so many developers are pushing these days.

 

....

 

and hope all the bonuses are made available for free to everyone asap.

 

 

and hope all the bonuses are made available for free to everyone asap.

 

and hope all the bonuses are made available for free to everyone asap.

 

 

You've got to be yanking my chain, if not well:

[grandthefthoughto]

 

personally i hate the "pay to win" model so many developers are pushing these days.

 

....

 

and hope all the bonuses are made available for free to everyone asap.

 

 

and hope all the bonuses are made available for free to everyone asap.

 

and hope all the bonuses are made available for free to everyone asap.

 

 

You've got to be yanking my chain, if not well:

yeah i'm yanking your chain and don't HOPE they are made available for free.

[ugotsmoked]

You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that.

The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time.

So in GTA IV if you bought the special edition you got more in game? No you got other stuff. That's how it should be.

What good is whining gonna do? Will you whining on this forum make Rockstar fix this the way you want it? Might as well go outside and piss into the wind.

So you assume I'm whining? Ok then why are you whining about me whining? You might as well go outside and see that people have different views.

Complaining = Whining

[grandthefthoughto]

 

You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that.

The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time.

So in GTA IV if you bought the special edition you got more in game? No you got other stuff. That's how it should be.

What good is whining gonna do? Will you whining on this forum make Rockstar fix this the way you want it? Might as well go outside and piss into the wind.

I love how you didn't even try to argue that one.

[ugotsmoked]

Who me?

[_StackS_]

I have a feeling that the se content will become dlc within 3 months. As for the ce content... well I don't see it ever becoming dlc

[redx165]

 

You only care about if you pay more you should get more. Comparing a game to car is funny and I will not even respond about that.

The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time.

So in GTA IV if you bought the special edition you got more in game? No you got other stuff. That's how it should be.

What good is whining gonna do? Will you whining on this forum make Rockstar fix this the way you want it? Might as well go outside and piss into the wind.

So you assume I'm whining? Ok then why are you whining about me whining? You might as well go outside and see that people have different views.

Complaining = Whining

Since when? By your standard?

 

Complaining: Verb

Express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event.

State that one is suffering from (a pain or other symptom of illness): "he began to complain of headaches".

 

Whining: Verb

Give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.

Complain in a feeble or petulant way.

 

 

Who me?

 

Also yes that guy was talking to you.

Edited June 6, 2013 by redx165

[grandthefthoughto]

^ yeah you ugotsmoked.

 

This tactic of pre-order dlc is a new one for GTA and i believe only emerged this gen.

 

so you're statement that "The more the pay the more you get is true now and has been since the beginning of time." is not exactly appropriate.

 

and when he brought up the issue of physical swag vs digital swag you just gave up and starting taunting the guy.

[Ash_735]

I'm laughing at all the people crying that it shouldn't be made available "BAWWWW, I PAID EXTRA FOR THIS NO ONE ELSE DESERVES IT!!!" It's DIGITAL CONTENT, it's already on everyones game, just locked out, you're not special or entitled in any way or form because you paid extra for it now, if anything, you deserve to be screwed over, anyone who supports this practice of paying extra for 1s and 0s that cost ANY COMPANY no effort at all to unlock is one of the many pit falls of this generation in gaming. Just look at RockSteady in an interview they done about how they were forced to cut out the extra Batman Costumes so they could be sold off to the highest bidding store by the Publishers, and were then released as paid DLC later on anyway, they originally wanted that content to be unlocked as you progressed through the game. It's a cheap and easy con, cut out a few small things from the game, it's not even cutting, it's more hiding them behind a lock, that's it, and then selling them as "extras" and "specials" to gullible people.

 

Once again, Digital Content is NOT special, look at RDR, look at L.A.Noire, look at Max Payne 3, ANYTHING Special was made available later through Rockstar Passes or as extra paid DLC on stores. It's not special, it's not worthy to gamers, it's just small things being forcibly hidden from the game and letting those who throw money at them get access to it early.

 

I'm getting the CE, I get it for free, so it doesn't even cost me, but I do hate this practice and in no way at all do I believe that I am some higher being who deserves this Disc Locked Content just because I have a box that says Collectors Edition, no, we're gamers, I believe ANYONE buying the game should get all the content on the game, Special/Collectors Editions should be rserved and made examples of in what ways they can benefit you with PHYSICAL goods, stuff that actually requires investment and creativity on the publisher/developers side, actual PHYSICAL products made to entice you to spend the extra money, that's how it should be, and that's why the GTA IV Special Edition >>> GTA V Collectors Edition as Rockstar got this right there, which they arn't doing now, it's getting a little bit Digital heavy, which, in the end, costs them nothing.

[Leafy Hollow]

Half a year.

[Supernutz40]

I have to agree with Matt. The car analogy was in my head as well while I read through this topic. It is simple economics as far as the whole "you get what you pay for" scenario. Thing is that R* has done things of this nature a little differently. If they stick by their usual, then I would imagine all the DLC will become available at some point. While I can see the view of the people who think it should remain "exclusive", I honestly don't really care. For $90 Ill throw the crap in the garage with the IV duffle bag and lock box, and be happy I don't have to wait one day to use all the "perks" in game.

 

Edit: stupid iPhone (but of course it does iPhone right...)

Edited June 6, 2013 by JesseHope40

[grandthefthoughto]

I'm laughing at all the people crying that it shouldn't be made available "BAWWWW, I PAID EXTRA FOR THIS NO ONE ELSE DESERVES IT!!!" It's DIGITAL CONTENT, it's already on everyones game, just locked out, you're not special or entitled in any way or form because you paid extra for it now, if anything, you deserve to be screwed over, anyone who supports this practice of paying extra for 1s and 0s that cost ANY COMPANY no effort at all to unlock is one of the many pit falls of this generation in gaming. Just look at RockSteady in an interview they done about how they were forced to cut out the extra Batman Costumes so they could be sold off to the highest bidding store by the Publishers, and were then released as paid DLC later on anyway, they originally wanted that content to be unlocked as you progressed through the game. It's a cheap and easy con, cut out a few small things from the game, it's not even cutting, it's more hiding them behind a lock, that's it, and then selling them as "extras" and "specials" to gullible people.

 

Once again, Digital Content is NOT special, look at RDR, look at L.A.Noire, look at Max Payne 3, ANYTHING Special was made available later through Rockstar Passes or as extra paid DLC on stores. It's not special, it's not worthy to gamers, it's just small things being forcibly hidden from the game and letting those who throw money at them get access to it early.

 

I'm getting the CE, I get it for free, so it doesn't even cost me, but I do hate this practice and in no way at all do I believe that I am some higher being who deserves this Disc Locked Content just because I have a box that says Collectors Edition, no, we're gamers, I believe ANYONE buying the game should get all the content on the game, Special/Collectors Editions should be rserved and made examples of in what ways they can benefit you with PHYSICAL goods, stuff that actually requires investment and creativity on the publisher/developers side, actual PHYSICAL products made to entice you to spend the extra money, that's how it should be, and that's why the GTA IV Special Edition >>> GTA V Collectors Edition as Rockstar got this right there, which they arn't doing now, it's getting a little bit Digital heavy, which, in the end, costs them nothing.

this.

 

and well put too.

 

I never cared about collectors editions simply because i personally never valued the physical stuff (to me it's always seemed like crap you will throw away in years to come) so I never took an interest in them because they would in no way affected my enjoyment of the product.

But to lock me out of content (even if it is only time-locked) for not paying more than the full retail price is wrong and one the worst things for gamers to have emerged this console cycle.