Ex hardcore US Navy SEAL becomes transgender

[Raavi]

GI Joe to Soccer mom Jane.

[Clem Fandango]

 

But that's no reason to get rid of a perfectly working penis for a friggin' nutsack beaver.

It baffles me that people can talk to so flippantly about such a delicate issue.

[Saggy]

But that's no reason to get rid of a perfectly working penis for a friggin' nutsack beaver.

It baffles me that people can talk to so flippantly about such a delicate issue.

It's only a delicate issue because people want to dance around on egg shells and avoid hurting anyone's feelings. I think it should be ridiculed though, because it is a ridiculous surgery and all this pandering and wanting to be supportive of people's rights and what not blinds most people to the fact that the people who are saying "Oh yeah, you need genital re-constructive surgery," are the ones that are going to profit from it. In the mean time the client gets left with something that vaguely resembles the appearance and function of what they wanted, and probably not without a host of complications and that's in a good case scenario.

 

Just trying to point out the reality of it. We should quit being nice and not worry about hurting people's feelings if they've had this surgery, and call it for what it is to discourage anyone else from maiming themselves. Maybe if we did refer to surgically produced vaginas as "nutsack beavers" it would make people think of the fact that, "Hey, that's not the real thing, that's just a mutilated penis made to look like it... Kind of." I'm not trying to make disparaging comments to the people who have had the surgery and are happy with it, but I think society needs to be a little more vocal on its caution of "Wait bro, don't cut your dick off".

 

I was trying to think of some kind of comparable surgical procedure that a person could have done attempting to change their body into something else, but I really can't think of any kind of modification that actually exists that is so radical, with such lackluster results... The only thing I keep thinking of is that episode of South Park where Kyle's dad gets reconstructive surgery to be a dolphin. That's basically equally as asinine to me as cutting up your genitals in an attempt to be a "man" or a "woman".

[Abel.]

Yeah, I basically share your sentiments Sagacious. Now, I've no issue with transgender people, and I wish this guy well, but I honestly don't think that someone would be happier after having their genitals mutilated, irrespective of whether the act was voluntary and the person feels uncomfortable in the gender in which they were born. With that said, there's no real alternative for these people other than to remain unhappy. In general, it must really suck to be someone who feels so uncomfortable in their own gender that they feel they need to do something like this to attain a sense of normality in life.

[TonyZimmzy]

Read this earlier. Thought it was neat. More power to him/her.

[walkingsickness]

Like Melchior said, I don't see how this solider is any different from other transgenders. So, I'm not sure what do you want us to discuss exactly.

 

It really bugs me when people say "she" or "her" when referring to this guy. People can do whatever they want, but you can't ACTUALLY change your gender.

Why do you care so much?

It's not like I went out of my way to share my opinion. This is a discussion forum and this is the topic, I'm sharing my opinion. Otherwise I'd never have said anything about it. In my opinion we are adults now, and we are responsible for our decisions, but we can't actually alter our circumstances to fit them.

 

Even the most diehard straight supporter of this would be bothered if they found out they had slept with a transgendered man.

Yeah that is something that I asks myself. What happens if you decide to have a relationship

(sexual or platonic) and the transgender "it" doesn't decide to tell there partner that "it" used

to be a different gender?

 

I personally think that carries weight for self defense, if you "accidentally" shoot that muthafuka

in the face. Because right after you hear some sh*t like that, how do you maintain sanity?

 

Seriously??? Me and my homie was in Publix (grocery store in South Florida) and my dude

wanted to "holla" (slang term for ones who don't know) at this "chick", but I stopped him

and told him look at the throat.

 

This bitch didn't have a huge atoms apple, but it was too noticeable to not notice if you know what I

mean. And on top of that, "it" had to be 6'3 in heels and really square shoulders. But my homie only

seen FTA (face tits ass). I felt like I had saved him from killing somebody that day, but she looked

so much like a she. It was hard to tell in a 10 sec glare.

 

These god damn surgeons today are the sh*t!!!!

But that aint good. Not to me but to each its own I guess. I couldn't even fathom the ideal of that.

 

[Brobinski]

Just gonna throw this out there. Anyone who refuses to call someone by their chosen gender (i.e. not biological sex, gender is both a psychological and societal construct that isn't necessarily tied to the physical), is simply an asshole. The issue that many transgender people face is that of identity (duh), when they look in the mirror the person they see does not line up with the person they feel they are. Now personally, I have no idea how awful that must feel. I have literally no way of empathising with how terrible it must be. If you're going to go out of your way to remind them that they are not what they identify themselves as, when it has literally zero effect on you, you're an asshole.

 

It's like gay marriage. If you don't like the idea of gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. If you don't like the idea of a person being a different gender than their birth sex, don't change yours.

 

 

I bet she's a Lady Gaga fan.

This seems like a bit off topic, but regardless of musical taste, she's probably quite appreciative of all the work Gaga does campaigning for LGBT groups. So yeah, you're probably right.

[Crokey]

@Sag: But what you seem to be saying is that everyone who is transgendered wants to go the whole way and get genital surgery, which is not quite true as there are huge amount of transgendered people who are fine with the genitals they have either because it's the outside perception of femininity or masculinity they want to project and just like anyone else they want to keep their privates, private, or it's because they are aware of the huge risk genital surgery is.

 

What you also seem to be saying is that it almost forced upon transgendered people to go through the surgery either for the surgeons own profit or other macabre means, which you will get the odd surgeon out there who will be like that, just like any other surgeon of any other discipline, however most surgeons who are ethical won't even go near the procedure unless the patient has undergone a full a deep psychological evaluation and in most cases have been on a full course hormone replacement and lived as the opposite sex for at least a year and in most cases anywhere between 3-5 years. As part of this psychological evaluation they will ascertain why they want to go through the procedure and those who are put forward for the surgery are those who have the distinct physiological feeling of their true gender identity, and the fact they have the wrong genitals for their gender identity can have a psychological and sometimes physiological effect on their well being.

 

Also coming from a US point of view which you probably are, and not to sound too generalist, US surgeons are relatively poor in gender reassignment surgery compared to other parts of the world, as most transgendered people will tend to go to Europe or the UK for this type of surgery mainly due to the expertise in the field and the fact regulations surrounding surgery of any type in Europe and especially the UK are a lot stricter than in the US, particularly in the amount of surgeries a surgeon can carry out in a week.

 

As for the results of the surgery, as this is a surgery where something is either being added or subtracted which wasn't there in first place, unlike other cosmetic procedures which are usually enhancing or reducing existing features, then of course there will be varying results. There have been some excellent results from these surgeries and some of them can look almost indistinguishable from the real thing, but as you point out there can be some shocking results, however this field of surgery is still very new and not many surgeons are skilled in it, the added complications to this kind of surgery is also down to the amount of nerves, blood vessels, urethral tracts etc are in the genital region, trying to complete this surgery without the risk of complications for such a delicate area is a tricky surgery.

 

As for hair and stuff, laser removal does that, cleaning can be helped with hormones that can produce and alter existing fluids (eg prostate fluid) to act as cleaning for the area, feminine hygiene products like tampons also help keep things clean and daily stretching using a dildo is necessary on a male to female operation, on a female to male this is done via urine much like a genetically born male does.

 

Anywho (I), there was a topic here about an ex-solider who is now a woman, which I say cool, she should run for office and take position in charge of the military, or would that be too radical for America to take.

 

Anywho (II), I sound like I know far too much on this subject, and people will start talking, so to set the record straight, I'm happy with my genitals and I don't want to be called Susan... except on Sunday's

[Al Carter]

That doesn't happen on the Marines.

 

Oorah !