Grand Theft Savage Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Get out of here man, TBOGT storyline was written for whint GTA Kids who can't keep their attention so every mission had to be all crazy and blockbuster like, the fact that Rockstar changed their original planned story is proof of that, TBOGT was suppose to end on a dark note to with the clubs being closed, Tony vanishing from the city, etc. TLAD follows the original story arc, that's why there's more connecting points to GTA IV, most of that was ditched in TBOGT in favoring of pleasing fans who kept saying the game was too boring and being all wah wah wah where's my huge weapons and gold pimp cars?.................................. [rest deleted because I disagree] Agreed here. TBoGT's storyline was just f*cking stupid. I guess it was because of all of the complaints going around about GTA IV having a dark and miserable feel and sh*t. R* decided to make one for kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I didn't like TLAD at all. So no. Maybe confront them only I didn't like to play as dumb f*ck. As well I wasn't interested in the story of dumb, ignorant f*cks - band "LOST". Plus music is horrible. At the same time, TBOGT was amazing - with good, pretty smart protagonist, excellent story, excellent missions, excellent vibe and excellent music - much better than original GTA IV. I hope you're trolling, because if that's your opinion then you have one hell of a sh*tty opinion. TBoGT story sucked multiple dicks. while i liked Luis, he can't be compared to the ultimate baddass, Johnny. And TLAD Had one of the best stories in the GTA series, IMO only second to IV. All these things (music, characters, story) are personal preference. There really isn't one better than the other. Personally, I think Luis is pretty forgettable and generic. But overall that DLC was far superior. TLAD was just meh, plus the city looked like garbage thanks to the filter they used. Yes, the case not only in personal preferences. TLAD was much weaker than TBOGT in many aspects, including missions and story Get out of here man, TBOGT storyline was written for whint GTA Kids who can't keep their attention so every mission had to be all crazy and blockbuster like, the fact that Rockstar changed their original planned story is proof of that, TBOGT was suppose to end on a dark note to with the clubs being closed, Tony vanishing from the city, etc. TLAD follows the original story arc, that's why there's more connecting points to GTA IV, most of that was ditched in TBOGT in favoring of pleasing fans who kept saying the game was too boring and being all wah wah wah where's my huge weapons and gold pimp cars? In turn it affected the story which is why Tony is the only character who make a lasting impression, everyone else feels retconned and shoehorned in to work around the new story. Sorry man, you picked the worst possible example when mentioning characters. There's zero character development for most of the biker gang. This one alone in TBOGT is more memorable than Johnny's gang: I've never really understood what people see in Yusuf. Am I the only one who thinks he's an overrated douchebag like 95% of TBOGT's cast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Sorry man, you picked the worst possible example when mentioning characters.There's zero character development for most of the biker gang. This one alone in TBOGT is more memorable than Johnny's gang: I disagree, hanging out with Terry, Clay and Jim was a lot more of a benefit character and story development wise than ANYONE in TBOGT, every little detail crafted in TLAD is mentioned, such as why Johnny has a limp, specific years and dates, a mention of traveling to the west coast, Clay hinting that the club should expand out more, etc. It built the characters and the club history, and gave insight to the story, even the calls you make to Angus after key missions where he voices his view about how this is going to end badly for the club, etc. None of that was in TBOGT, the two goons Luis had as friends had like 5 lines on a loop, there was no extra details hidden around outside of like 3 e-mails, so in turn, I just never felt the backstory there. To put in basic terms, you have the story at the front and then the deep details, GTA IV and TLAD had this, TBOGT just had a flashy front and nothing else behind it, sure LOLZ LET'S GO STEAL TANKS, why? BECAUSE MISSION SAYS SO! That very character you pointed is one of the main changes in the game, they parodied his character up, in GTA IV he was an actual business rep going by what PBX said, yet here he's just a wacky goon sending Luis around to steal huge things for no other reason that "I WANT THAT!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I actually prefer TBOGT over TLAD, I just couldn't get into the whole biker theme. Where as TBOGT was a bit closer to home for me personally. I've done business with yusuf-like people in the past, so I was laughing my ass off every time he showed up. I also loved the overall over the top-ness if you will, as opposed to TLAD's dark depressing moments. Note: This is my personal preference, feel free to disagree. – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djv3n0m Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I didn't like TLAD at all. So no. Maybe confront them only I didn't like to play as dumb f*ck. As well I wasn't interested in the story of dumb, ignorant f*cks - band "LOST". Plus music is horrible. At the same time, TBOGT was amazing - with good, pretty smart protagonist, excellent story, excellent missions, excellent vibe and excellent music - much better than original GTA IV. Let me guess, you're fine with street gang homies though? So what if he was and LMAO "street gang homies..." like it's a genre of music Just find it ironic in that case he's all stupid dumb bikers with their lifstyle, and bikes and rock music, etc, and then jump ins YO HOMIE THUG LIFE! It's like, yeah, biker gangs are soo stupid compared to homies am I right? If anything that post seemed a little racist if that was the case, he's probably the kind of person who thinks all bikers must be white and that they all must be white supremacists, etc, that's insulting. Dude take a chill pill you're reading to much out of stuff.... If he don't like it leave him be after all he's replying to a biker topic so yeah the irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 While I agree TLAD is better than TBOGT can you guys just take it to PM if you want to sling sh*t at eachother? Game2048 didn't do anything wrong by expressing his opinion after all. OT: I agree that GTA V would've been a perfect setting for a biker theme. Especially if it took cues from Sons Of Anarchy. To be fair, it's hard for me to see something good in TLAD at all. I really think that it was bad in everything comparing to TBOGT and even GTA IV. As for Yussuf - he is typical character for GTA games. I think he is funny enough and fits well with the atmosphere of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degrees Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I actually prefer TBOGT over TLAD, I just couldn't get into the whole biker theme. Where as TBOGT was a bit closer to home for me personally. I've done business with yusuf-like people in the past, so I was laughing my ass off every time he showed up. I also loved the overall over the top-ness if you will, as opposed to TLAD's dark depressing moments. Note: This is my personal preference, feel free to disagree. Did you think TLAD was more depressing than IV? I personally thought not because IDC for the Lost cast other than Billy and his b*tch. I do like the Biker theme I just thought R* flopped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I don't get this idiocy when some people fear to voice their opinion and others take opinion as personal offense It's just that your opinion is one that hurts the GTA franchise. And feels somewhat ironic, you'd be the first in line accusing people of being racist if they slated the thug life homies, but it's ok for you to slate the entire biker thing on crappy reasons? Please. Hurts GTA fracnhise? And? There is something bad in hurting GTA franchise if I really believe that it was pretty bad addition? GTA franchise is one of my favorite games and I'm ok to hurt this franchise if I think that this addition was bad. Everything else is bullsh*t, your fictional assumptions based on nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I actually prefer TBOGT over TLAD, I just couldn't get into the whole biker theme. Where as TBOGT was a bit closer to home for me personally. I've done business with yusuf-like people in the past, so I was laughing my ass off every time he showed up. I also loved the overall over the top-ness if you will, as opposed to TLAD's dark depressing moments. Note: This is my personal preference, feel free to disagree. Did you think TLAD was more depressing than IV? I personally thought not because IDC for the Lost cast other than Billy and his b*tch. I do like the Biker theme I just thought R* flopped it. Can't get more dark and depressing than this.. After you walk into a village and you see 50 children, all sitting neatly in a row, against a church wall, each with their throats cut and their hands chopped off, you realize that the creature that could do this doesn't have a soul. – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I actually prefer TBOGT over TLAD, I just couldn't get into the whole biker theme. Where as TBOGT was a bit closer to home for me personally. I've done business with yusuf-like people in the past, so I was laughing my ass off every time he showed up. I also loved the overall over the top-ness if you will, as opposed to TLAD's dark depressing moments. Note: This is my personal preference, feel free to disagree. Did you think TLAD was more depressing than IV? I personally thought not because IDC for the Lost cast other than Billy and his b*tch. I do like the Biker theme I just thought R* flopped it. Can't get more dark and depressing than this.. After you walk into a village and you see 50 children, all sitting neatly in a row, against a church wall, each with their throats cut and their hands chopped off, you realize that the creature that could do this doesn't have a soul. To be fair, I didn't like too much this dark atmosphere in GTA IV as well. It's not that I don't like dark atmosphere in general, but, I don't know... I liked Liberty City in TBOGT much more and it was some sort of a real view on the city from another angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALeSsAnDrO Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Can't get more dark and depressing than this.. After you walk into a village and you see 50 children, all sitting neatly in a row, against a church wall, each with their throats cut and their hands chopped off, you realize that the creature that could do this doesn't have a soul. That particular quote felt so out of place for a GTA game. And the drama with the meth addicted character in TLAD... From the very first game it was all about humor and parody. I realize devs want to step up the realism a notch, but GTA isn't the best game for drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Vacuum Seal Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 We'll get plenty of that through Trevor's branch of the story line. "shut up, sit down, relax" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Theft Savage Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 We'll get plenty of that through Trevor's branch of the story line. Sh*t, I hope not. Using a dirty redneck hillbilly to fight off other dirty redneck hillbillies isn't fun at all. White trash bikers are annoying as hell. I hope Trevor is fighting them for business purposes only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djv3n0m Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Can't get more dark and depressing than this.. After you walk into a village and you see 50 children, all sitting neatly in a row, against a church wall, each with their throats cut and their hands chopped off, you realize that the creature that could do this doesn't have a soul. That particular quote felt so out of place for a GTA game. And the drama with the meth addicted character in TLAD... From the very first game it was all about humor and parody. I realize devs want to step up the realism a notch, but GTA isn't the best game for drama. WHAT gta isn't the best game for drama ?!?! What about in Vice City when Lance Vance betrays you for business if this ain't drama dunno what drama is Back on topic R* as a great opportunity to push the biker theme further , i'm pretty sure we will see random characters all across the map that are involved in all kinds of shenanigans & some will be wearing colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Can't get more dark and depressing than this.. After you walk into a village and you see 50 children, all sitting neatly in a row, against a church wall, each with their throats cut and their hands chopped off, you realize that the creature that could do this doesn't have a soul. That particular quote felt so out of place for a GTA game. And the drama with the meth addicted character in TLAD... From the very first game it was all about humor and parody. I realize devs want to step up the realism a notch, but GTA isn't the best game for drama. WHAT gta isn't the best game for drama ?!?! What about in Vice City when Lance Vance betrays you for business if this ain't drama dunno what drama is Back on topic R* as a great opportunity to push the biker theme further , i'm pretty sure we will see random characters all across the map that are involved in all kinds of shenanigans & some will be wearing colors Most likely, "LOST" will be a rival this time. Trevor's rival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degrees Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 We'll get plenty of that through Trevor's branch of the story line. Sh*t, I hope not. Using a dirty redneck hillbilly to fight off other dirty redneck hillbillies isn't fun at all. White trash bikers are annoying as hell. I hope Trevor is fighting them for business purposes only. We get it you hate Bikers Ffs. You need to add the white trash stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) Most likely, in GTA IV, Rockstar took a lot from Russian cult movies "Brother" and "Brother 2". These are the movies about Russian killer, "good guy" Danila. Narrative takes place during very hard and dark times for Russia - 1990s, after the fall of Soviet Union. He is also a war veteran, and there is a lot about finding his place in this world. Many philosophical things, very dark atmosphere. Edited June 4, 2013 by Game2048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woggleman Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 The Lost MC were based in Alderney and there a lot of bikers in Jersey. I live there so trust me I have seen it. There is a bar right down the street from me that always has bikes parked outside. Also TBOGT was great as well as Vanilla IV and TLAD. It was a different perspective from the dark and gritty feel of the first two. There is room for both approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degrees Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Most likely, in GTA IV, Rockstar took a lot from Russian cult movies "Brother" and "Brother 2". It's a movie about Russian killer, "good guy" Danila. Narrative takes place during very hard and dark times for Russia - 1990s, after fall of Soviet Union. He is also a war veteran, and there is a lot about finding his place in this world. Many philosophical things, very dark atmosphere Could be, I need to check those movies only Russian Mafia film I saw was the Eastern promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) Most likely, in GTA IV, Rockstar took a lot from Russian cult movies "Brother" and "Brother 2". It's a movie about Russian killer, "good guy" Danila. Narrative takes place during very hard and dark times for Russia - 1990s, after fall of Soviet Union. He is also a war veteran, and there is a lot about finding his place in this world. Many philosophical things, very dark atmosphere Could be, I need to check those movies only Russian Mafia film I saw was the Eastern promise. "Eastern promise" - that's not a Russian movie. That's Hollywood movie and big parody on Russia. I heard from Russians who saw this movie that their representation of Russian mafia is laughable. All Hollywood movies about Russia are parodies since they don't represent even a bit of what Russia really is. All Russians just laugh at every Hollywood movies about Russia, because they based on stereotypes and complete misunderstanding of what Russia is Edited June 4, 2013 by Game2048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzyTomb Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 See, so it's ok to hate on bikers and their culture, but OMG don't you dare diss street gangs yo, u bein racist. That's the logic we face on this forum people. More like backwards seen so much hate about Street gangs not being classy like the Mafia then I see some of those same people not having a problem with Bikers. Criminals aren't classy no matter how they dress or act. But Street gangs and Bikers their about the same. One is considerably more prone to killing children and innocent bystanders whilst doing drivebys than the other. If you're having trouble figuring out which group it is, it's street gangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Most likely, in GTA IV, Rockstar took a lot from Russian cult movies "Brother" and "Brother 2". It's a movie about Russian killer, "good guy" Danila. Narrative takes place during very hard and dark times for Russia - 1990s, after fall of Soviet Union. He is also a war veteran, and there is a lot about finding his place in this world. Many philosophical things, very dark atmosphere Could be, I need to check those movies only Russian Mafia film I saw was the Eastern promise. "Eastern promise" - that's not a Russian movie. That's Hollywood movie and big parody on Russia. I heard from Russians who saw this movie that their representation of Russian mafia is laughable. All Hollywood movies about Russia are parodies since they don't represent even 1% of what Russia really is. All Russians just laugh at every Hollywood movies about Russia, because they based on stereotypes and complete misunderstanding of what Russia is As for "Brother" movies - I don't know if you'll get these movies and understand them completely. Most of things there are understandable only for Russians. Plus they have very dark atmosphere - they don't represent what Russia is now, but they represent those dark times of 1990s in Russia. Excellent movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felinegood Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 f*ck tbogt, f*ck yusif amir, and most of all f*ck those tbogt elitist snobs right up their candy asses. they wouldn't know a quality story if it blew its load right in their f*cking face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzam1312 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) Agree - that's the scourge of DLC. I would rather less DLC and more unique IP's, as it were. BF3 should've canned all the DLC's that no one plays and released BF: World War 2 between BF3 and BF4....instead of TBOGT and TLAD we coulda had GTA: Flo-rida in 2010ish, for example. GTA 3, GTA VC and GTA SA released within 2 years of each other. Edited June 4, 2013 by gzam1312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Justice Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 TBoGT had a good story? I thought it was a hot mess. Most of the characters were pointless in the scheme of the story; Yusuf did nothing to expand the plot, and the same can be said for Mori. Neither were particularly funny or well written, they were just loud and obnoxious and I've always found those to be the most annoying characters in GTA (it's ok if you liked them, though you can't deny their overall unimportance). I've actually been replaying it recently (some of the cars/weapons added make it worth it), but I can't help but think it could have been so much better with a bit more focus - if Luis was actually torn between a life as a drug dealers and a life as a club owner, could have added so much substance to proceedings. Instead, he did a whole set of missions (and side-missions) for those guys that really had no bearing on the story being told. The thing about The Lost and Damned, is it had the focus that The Ballad lacked. It was centred around a group of misfits, and the one in particular who was trying with all his might to hold them all together as his leader pushed them further and further apart. It's a pretty dramatic tale. And it's a story I'm glad was told. It's fine that you prefer the theme and vibe of The Ballad of Gay Tony over that of The Lost and Damned. Bikers aren't for everyone, though neither are dancers and clubs. I guess that's all I'm trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degrees Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Most likely, in GTA IV, Rockstar took a lot from Russian cult movies "Brother" and "Brother 2". It's a movie about Russian killer, "good guy" Danila. Narrative takes place during very hard and dark times for Russia - 1990s, after fall of Soviet Union. He is also a war veteran, and there is a lot about finding his place in this world. Many philosophical things, very dark atmosphere Could be, I need to check those movies only Russian Mafia film I saw was the Eastern promise. "Eastern promise" - that's not a Russian movie. That's Hollywood movie and big parody on Russia. I heard from Russians who saw this movie that their representation of Russian mafia is laughable. All Hollywood movies about Russia are parodies since they don't represent even a bit of what Russia really is. All Russians just laugh at every Hollywood movies about Russia, because they based on stereotypes and complete misunderstanding of what Russia is It's set in England though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djv3n0m Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 See, so it's ok to hate on bikers and their culture, but OMG don't you dare diss street gangs yo, u bein racist. That's the logic we face on this forum people. More like backwards seen so much hate about Street gangs not being classy like the Mafia then I see some of those same people not having a problem with Bikers. Criminals aren't classy no matter how they dress or act. But Street gangs and Bikers their about the same. One is considerably more prone to killing children and innocent bystanders whilst doing drivebys than the other. If you're having trouble figuring out which group it is, it's street gangs. I wouldn't put bikers as the innocent bike enthusiasts if i were you....They'd do stuff street-gangs wouldn't dare and vice-versa both organizations are about the money and if you're in the way neither will spare you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degrees Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 See, so it's ok to hate on bikers and their culture, but OMG don't you dare diss street gangs yo, u bein racist. That's the logic we face on this forum people. More like backwards seen so much hate about Street gangs not being classy like the Mafia then I see some of those same people not having a problem with Bikers. Criminals aren't classy no matter how they dress or act. But Street gangs and Bikers their about the same. One is considerably more prone to killing children and innocent bystanders whilst doing drivebys than the other. If you're having trouble figuring out which group it is, it's street gangs. I wouldn't put bikers as the innocent bike enthusiasts if i were you....They'd do stuff street-gangs wouldn't dare and vice-versa both organizations are about the money and if you're in the way neither will spare you This Biker gangs are also known to do Terrorist like attacks there is a reason they call themselves outlaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Justice Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 On biker culture, I think it's more or less comparable to gangbangers and such, despite the fact that they are seemingly opposites. I think what people don't realise though, is how organised most of these groupings are; if you watch Sons of Anarchy or The Wire, you'd see that the gangs depicted are more into "big" crime than petty crime. There's no "OMG he's wearing the wrong colour let's cap him," at least among the smarter characters, but rather they worry about how to keep business afloat. I feel like the reason Johnny Klebitz is such a great protagonist was because he didn't care for the petty sh*t and the war with the Angels that Billy started. He just wanted to keep the business going (like Stringer in the Wire and Jax in SOA). Most of the times, African American gangs are not depicted this way (they certainly weren't in San Andreas), and a big part of me hopes that has changed in V. Like, if the Families went to war with the Ballas over a bigger deal than the colour of their clothes or the drug flow in San Andreas... after all, how did the Families in San Andreas generate funds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) Most likely, in GTA IV, Rockstar took a lot from Russian cult movies "Brother" and "Brother 2". It's a movie about Russian killer, "good guy" Danila. Narrative takes place during very hard and dark times for Russia - 1990s, after fall of Soviet Union. He is also a war veteran, and there is a lot about finding his place in this world. Many philosophical things, very dark atmosphere Could be, I need to check those movies only Russian Mafia film I saw was the Eastern promise. "Eastern promise" - that's not a Russian movie. That's Hollywood movie and big parody on Russia. I heard from Russians who saw this movie that their representation of Russian mafia is laughable. All Hollywood movies about Russia are parodies since they don't represent even a bit of what Russia really is. All Russians just laugh at every Hollywood movies about Russia, because they based on stereotypes and complete misunderstanding of what Russia is It's set in England though Brother 2. Excellent music. Niko and Danila from movie have much in common Short clip: The whole movie with a bit unsynchronized subtitles Edited June 4, 2013 by Game2048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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