Extensivly Philisophical?

[TheKrigeron]

I've been re-playing RDR (again) recently, and while the Story was geat and the most of the characters were interesting, the dialogue ws taking the Player for an idiot sometimes (especially during the dialogues during the Horse rides) It wasn't subtle at all during thse parts, it was simple exposition all along, they almost never talk about everyday stuff on every horse ride they are discussin the decline of the wildwest or the human nature and other Existential matter or some sh*t. Gta IV is no different but it was a lot less prominent

 

What I'm expecting from GTA V is to tackle those problems but in a less "In your face" manner, just be subtle Rockstar

[Leafy Hollow]

I loved RDR's dialog about "human nature" and the advancement of "civilized society" from the east. I hope goes even further. Niko was a perfect example of how inequality leads people to do in order to survive.

Edited June 2, 2013 by Leafy Hollow

[Patriot_Action]

 

I've been re-playing RDR (again) recently, and while the Story was geat and the most of the characters were interesting, the dialogue ws taking the Player for an idiot sometimes (especially during the dialogues during the Horse rides) It wasn't subtle at all during thse parts, it was simple exposition all along, they almost never talk about everyday stuff on every horse ride they are discussin the decline of the wildwest or the human nature and other Existential matter or some sh*t.

Better than every character being a "Hrngh, fight!" mouthbreather.

 

It was actually used a lot for comedic effect in RDR, referring to the extensive illiteracy in people at the time (e.g., "I implore you" in the Bill Williamson conversation).

Edited June 2, 2013 by Patriot_Action

[AKalashnikov]

I've played a decent amount of RDR lately also. Maybe the reasoning for going further into philosophy was to demonstrate how a lot of people felt about current events in comparison to their own world view, during that time period. Less people these days are educated on the old west than they are on recent GTA games as they've been set in recent times, most of us have lived through it. Can see how it would be pointing out the obvious if you're more educated in regard to that time period. You probably won't have to put up with preaching the story or philosophy in V so much if that was their reason for RDR.

Edited June 2, 2013 by AKalashnikov

[Claude K6]

"Extensivly Philisophical?" LOL.

 

You don't use big words often, do you? Haha. Aw bless.

[Grand Theft Savage]

It's one of the things that made RDR's storyline awesome as hell. To fully understand the points that were made, you have to use your mind. All of the conversations meant something, be it foreshadowing, addition to the 'philosophy' tone, or to give you a better understanding of a character. I'm hoping that sort of sh*t is in GTA V. It sort of made the storyline believable.

[Miss Darko]

I think GTA V will have a lot of themes and philosophical ideas within the story (beyond all the satire and parody, as well), but I expect the approach to be more subtle. RDR was kind of like a parable (for lack of an equally succinct term), in a way, with symbolism and archetypal characters that helped communicate a particular theme. This is also sort of an aspect of the fact that RDR is a love letter to classic western films, because many of them are the same way.

 

GTA V on the other hand is a different kind of story. And for one thing, I don't expect it to be as serious as RDR or GTA IV. I think its messages about the human condition and whatnot will be different, and more in tune with the more fun nature of the game. Not necessarily 'pro-crime', but not as simple as 'crime is bad'. I think it certainly has things to say about ambition, though, and about how some men cannot change their stripes (also a theme in GTA IV and RDR, but handled differently... in an opposite fashion, in some ways, since Michael quickly comes to embrace his nature while Niko and Marston actively try to change themselves). Those are obvious themes, as well, and again it doesn't necessarily have to say that "these things are bad". GTA V isn't going to be a morality tale, I don't think. But come on, it's R*. They're going to have some stuff to say in this game. At the same time, I don't think it will be handled the same way as in RDR.

[Mokrie Dela]

Rdr was very metaphorical and as people have said reflective on the era change and people

Mostly it was rockstar making it interesting. You any idea the typical conversations you would be in the old west? Many would be tedious; like those heard in poker.

 

In v I want to hear much of the same; explanations etc but also I want to hear gossip and chitchat. I've almost managed it with roman and Bruce etc (roman talking about nikos ex gf, Bruce and pumping iron... Niko and little Jacob even talk about music.

 

I wanna hear the three character recount recent Events (as we're not playing with them alone things might happen) like Trevor telling his pal about this hitchhiker who he thought was gonna kill him so he bailed out of the car head on into a truck, or franklin telling about nuetering chop....

 

Would we really wanna hear Michael tell Trevor about his wife moaning that the dishwasher was playing up again?