MMG Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) Total of: 77.2 million Xbox 360 consoles sold worldwide, March 2013 confirmed Total of: 70 million PS3 consoles sold worldwide, November 2012 confirmed ___________________________________________ According to Dan Houser, R* expects to sell 18 million GTA V units on the Xbox 360 and PS3 by the end of the fiscal year. Number of 7th generation consoles: 147,200,000 Units Number of GTA V expected sales for 7th generation consoles: 18,000,000 Units Market Penetration Rate_12 months: 18,000,000/147,200,000 =12.2% (market penetration rate separates house hold names like gta/cod from games like lego starwars/finding nemo) First of all they are expecting a 12% market penetration, which is almost unreal in a marketing perspective of a dying console. ___________________________________________ 8th generation gamers will mostly be active gamers, with consoles coming with a hefty price tag. If 10% of the people who has purchased a Xbox 360 or PS 3 decide to buy the new consoles in the first 12 months, 7,720,000 Xbox One console Sales 6,000,000 PS4 console Sales Total of 13,720,000 Units New consoles coming late Q4, 2013. A loss in market penetration is a loss in marketing value. (Announcing the 8th gen GTA V itself is a loss of market penetration for the 7th gen because some gamers may hold out to purchase it on the 8th gen) ___________________________________________ Say the game in announced for Xbox One and PS4 And 40% of 8th generation had an eye on purchasing GTA V: Total of 5,488,000 GTA V Units moved Assuming the new games are at an average of $70 a piece world wide, 5,488,000 x 70 Potential Total revenue: $384,160,000 *Most gamers wont purchase both gen 7 and 8 games. ___________________________________________ An 18 million sales projection for 7th generation consoles will result in a net revenue of $1.08 billion. however, R* will be losing out on $384 million on revenue until the 8th generation console sales pick up. (revenue is not profit) http://ycharts.com/companies/TTWO/enterprise_value Take Two (2k+R*) an estimated 1.44 billion dollar company, Even if it is temporary, a $400 million slump for a $1.44 billion compnay is a devastating 27% of the stock value. Not to mention, many 8th generation gamers may deter purchase after seeing the game in action on Sept. 17th, 2013. ___________________________________________ Just from announcing GTA for the 8th generation, R* will lose some of their 7th generation market penetration, and revenue 2013. If R*'s business plan is to sell as many units as possible, they will not announce the 8th generation GTA V until a later date. This is why the Xbox One and PS4 GTA will not be announced before 2014. (even PC GTA V) Its coming tho, next year. Dont hold your breath. IDK I could be wrong tho, just my thoughts Edited June 1, 2013 by MMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LolBurn Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I see no reason why pc shouldnt come out a month after the ps3/360 release though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS 17 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I like how you are using the facts. Don't see that very often here. After all I read you should know Dan Houser or any of the Housers aren't deciding anything related that much in the business anymore. There are most likely some teams councelling them what they should do. R* is a company like every other one, they are money-grubbing like most of others. So they won't lose their chance for getting max profit. I am sure they have strategic plans refering the releases and we don't know intern contracts. Or do you really think they are releasing the PC verison later, just because they don't like PCs? No. There are some extra payments for an earlier release for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DODI3OG Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I know there will be PC and next-gen ports in the future, in 2014, at the very least. If they port it at during this times, then it's certainly a loss. But if they somehow manage to "trick" us, then it's the exact opposite of the above line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMG Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) I see no reason why pc shouldnt come out a month after the ps3/360 release though. because a simple announcement of x1/ps4/pc could spell out a huge loss in market penetration (loss in profit/marketing value), unless its done at a right time. 18 million 7th generation units of GTA V is a lot of games moved they are coming no doubt, but the announcement wont be before 2014 Edited June 1, 2013 by MMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vex_Doppel Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I gotta say, the pics of that screenshot and gameplay trailer are eating me up right now. I want my game to play like that screen shot. So I wanna wait till PS4, but at the sametime, I really don't wanna wait to play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDagger Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I'd wonder if this kind of thing would be applicable if they did to the latest xbox 360 games as they did to the last xbox games - allowing them to be played on the xbox 360, without actually having backwards compatibility. I do know that watch dogs and CoD: Ghosts are being released for each separately, so this probably won't happen. Especially, as you say (which is very well thought-out, I might add), some extra money can be made for not doing this. Some people also point to SA not being on xbox 360, but that was one instance, so isn't really notable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTCCoco Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 What is with "even PC", PC is sure that will come, the strange thing is if it comes to xbox 1 / ps4, so you should say "even xbox 1 / ps4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dope_0110 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I gotta say, the pics of that screenshot and gameplay trailer are eating me up right now. I want my game to play like that screen shot. So I wanna wait till PS4, but at the sametime, I really don't wanna wait to play the game. One is a closer look and a high res screenshot, other is a still from a video. It can't be compared. It will be better that that still from the video, it won't be as good as the screenshot but won't be much worse either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Frenzy! Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 According to Dan Houser, R* expects to sell 18 million GTA V units on the Xbox 360 and PS3 by the end of 12 months. When? Source please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMG Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 According to Dan Houser, R* expects to sell 18 million GTA V units on the Xbox 360 and PS3 by the end of 12 months. When? Source please http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gta+5+sales+projections various sources: http://www.examiner.com/article/gta-5-unit...ssed-by-analyst http://mp1st.com/2013/02/06/gta-v-expected...-budget-growth/ also heard in a dan houser interview by the end of the fiscal year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAISE_HELL Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 R* wont say anything about X1,PS4,PC version before 9.17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frantz Fuchs Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 If Modern Warfare 3 can sell 28 million, why can't V sell 18m? I think it will sell even more than 18. around 22-25m is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMG Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 If Modern Warfare 3 can sell 28 million, why can't V sell 18m? I think it will sell even more than 18. around 22-25m is my guess. estimated 18m at march 2014, they could probably sell like 50m in its lifetime which is impressive nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx165 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Total of: 77.2 million Xbox 360 consoles sold worldwide, March 2013 confirmed Total of: 70 million PS3 consoles sold worldwide, November 2012 confirmed ___________________________________________ According to Dan Houser, R* expects to sell 18 million GTA V units on the Xbox 360 and PS3 by the end of the fiscal year. Number of 7th generation consoles: 147,200,000 Units Number of GTA V expected sales for 7th generation consoles: 18,000,000 Units Market Penetration Rate_12 months: 18,000,000/147,200,000 =12.2% (market penetration rate separates house hold names like gta/cod from games like lego starwars/finding nemo) First of all they are expecting a 12% market penetration, which is almost unreal in a marketing perspective of a dying console. ___________________________________________ 8th generation gamers will mostly be active gamers, with consoles coming with a hefty price tag. If 10% of the people who has purchased a Xbox 360 or PS 3 decide to buy the new consoles in the first 12 months, 7,720,000 Xbox One console Sales 6,000,000 PS4 console Sales Total of 13,720,000 Units New consoles coming late Q4, 2013. A loss in market penetration is a loss in marketing value. (Announcing the 8th gen GTA V itself is a loss of market penetration for the 7th gen because some gamers may hold out to purchase it on the 8th gen) ___________________________________________ Say the game in announced for Xbox One and PS4 And 40% of 8th generation had an eye on purchasing GTA V: Total of 5,488,000 GTA V Units moved Assuming the new games are at an average of $70 a piece world wide, 5,488,000 x 70 Potential Total revenue: $384,160,000 *Most gamers wont purchase both gen 7 and 8 games. ___________________________________________ An 18 million sales projection for 7th generation consoles will result in a net revenue of $1.08 billion. however, R* will be losing out on $384 million on revenue until the 8th generation console sales pick up. (revenue is not profit) http://ycharts.com/companies/TTWO/enterprise_value Take Two (2k+R*) an estimated 1.44 billion dollar company, Even if it is temporary, a $400 million slump for a $1.44 billion compnay is a devastating 27% of the stock value. Not to mention, many 8th generation gamers may deter purchase after seeing the game in action on Sept. 17th, 2013. ___________________________________________ Just from announcing GTA for the 8th generation, R* will lose some of their 7th generation market penetration, and revenue 2013. If R*'s business plan is to sell as many units as possible, they will not announce the 8th generation GTA V until a later date. This is why the Xbox One and PS4 GTA will not be announced before 2014. (even PC GTA V) Its coming tho, next year. Dont hold your breath. IDK I could be wrong tho, just my thoughts Can you atleast get the right information. PS3 has surpass the 360 in sales now. Either change it or delete this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I gotta say, the pics of that screenshot and gameplay trailer are eating me up right now. I want my game to play like that screen shot. So I wanna wait till PS4, but at the sametime, I really don't wanna wait to play the game. The trailer vs. screenshot comparison has always been bogus. They are not the same moment nor is the lighting due to time of day or weather the same. Assuming the exploding house scene is entirely scripted, the time of the still from the trailer is 63 frames earlier than the time the screenshot was captured. This can be determined by the position of the window shutter falling from the top floor, which falls into the same position as seen in the screenshot. At the moment of the screenshot, the trailer uses a different camera angle and Trevor has already walked out of frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafMetal Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I see no reason why pc shouldnt come out a month after the ps3/360 release though. because a simple announcement of x1/ps4/pc could spell out a huge loss in market penetration (loss in profit/marketing value), unless its done at a right time. 18 million 7th generation units of GTA V is a lot of games moved they are coming no doubt, but the announcement wont be before 2014 He's saying just the PC, though. Most of the people who are getting it for PC already have a PC to begin with. Good thread nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMG Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) Total of: 70 million PS3 consoles sold worldwide, November 2012 confirmed Can you atleast get the right information. PS3 has surpass the 360 in sales now. Either change it or delete this thread. can you read? even if its its data from november 2012, my logic is sound and professional. and this not an official business report for a company, it doesnt need to be sales data as of June 1st, 2013. NO ONES PAYING ME FOR THIS SO YOU CANT TELL ME TO DO sh*t according to you all 2012 textbooks are wrong because they use examples from 2011 to prove a point. thanks for contributing nothing and youre welcome. Edited June 1, 2013 by MMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh Edgiest Man on Earth Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 can you read? even if its its data from november 2012, my logic is sound and professional. and this not an official business report for a company, it doesnt need to be sales data as of June 1st, 2013. NO ONES PAYING ME FOR THIS SO YOU CANT TELL ME TO DO sh*t according to you all 2012 textbooks are wrong because they use examples from 2011 to prove a point. thanks for contributing nothing and youre welcome. Jesus f*ck, was it really necessary to stretch the entire page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleasure_Pier Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Idiotic thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuXu96 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 can you read? even if its its data from november 2012, my logic is sound and professional. and this not an official business report for a company, it doesnt need to be sales data as of June 1st, 2013. NO ONES PAYING ME FOR THIS SO YOU CANT TELL ME TO DO sh*t according to you all 2012 textbooks are wrong because they use examples from 2011 to prove a point. thanks for contributing nothing and youre welcome. Jesus f*ck, was it really necessary to stretch the entire page? yes it was, I'm a calm person but this dude would piss me off as well, what a f*cktard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt of Rivia Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Can you atleast get the right information. PS3 has surpass the 360 in sales now. Either change it or delete this thread. It's a good thing you know how to read. Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Frenzy! Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 According to Dan Houser, R* expects to sell 18 million GTA V units on the Xbox 360 and PS3 by the end of 12 months. When? Source please http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gta+5+sales+projections various sources: http://www.examiner.com/article/gta-5-unit...ssed-by-analyst http://mp1st.com/2013/02/06/gta-v-expected...-budget-growth/ also heard in a dan houser interview by the end of the fiscal year. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx165 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) Total of: 70 million PS3 consoles sold worldwide, November 2012 confirmed Can you atleast get the right information. PS3 has surpass the 360 in sales now. Either change it or delete this thread. can you read? even if its its data from november 2012, my logic is sound and professional. and this not an official business report for a company, it doesnt need to be sales data as of June 1st, 2013. NO ONES PAYING ME FOR THIS SO YOU CANT TELL ME TO DO sh*t according to you all 2012 textbooks are wrong because they use examples from 2011 to prove a point. thanks for contributing nothing and youre welcome. The only thing you prove to point is nothing. This is once again another useless thread in the GTA V forum. Your logic is just a guess nothing more or less. I suggest you leave. PS4 will out sell the Xbox one with all the information given and even that still is a guess. @Masterfocker I think you need to learn how to read. He is saying base on that information the Xbox one will sell more. But in reality there is more hate on Xbox One and there is also more people that bought PS3 which go against what he said. Edited June 1, 2013 by redx165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braindawg Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Now suddenly this is a console war thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMG Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Total of: 70 million PS3 consoles sold worldwide, November 2012 confirmed Can you atleast get the right information. PS3 has surpass the 360 in sales now. Either change it or delete this thread. can you read? even if its its data from november 2012, my logic is sound and professional. and this not an official business report for a company, it doesnt need to be sales data as of June 1st, 2013. NO ONES PAYING ME FOR THIS SO YOU CANT TELL ME TO DO sh*t according to you all 2012 textbooks are wrong because they use examples from 2011 to prove a point. thanks for contributing nothing and youre welcome. The only thing you prove to point is nothing. This is once again another useless thread in the GTA V forum. Your logic is just a guess nothing more or less. I suggest you leave. PS4 will out sell the Xbox one with all the information given and even that still is a guess. @Masterfocker I think you need to learn how to read. He is saying base on that information the Xbox one will sell more. But in reality there is more hate on Xbox One and there is also more people that bought PS3 which go against what he said. quote me saying x1 will sell more than ps4. are you having a bad day redx165? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafy Hollow Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Von Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 The delays have nothing to do with next gen. NOTHING! (irony is on the air) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Corleone Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Total of: 70 million PS3 consoles sold worldwide, November 2012 confirmed Can you atleast get the right information. PS3 has surpass the 360 in sales now. Either change it or delete this thread. can you read? even if its its data from november 2012, my logic is sound and professional. and this not an official business report for a company, it doesnt need to be sales data as of June 1st, 2013. NO ONES PAYING ME FOR THIS SO YOU CANT TELL ME TO DO sh*t according to you all 2012 textbooks are wrong because they use examples from 2011 to prove a point. thanks for contributing nothing and youre welcome. The only thing you prove to point is nothing. This is once again another useless thread in the GTA V forum. Your logic is just a guess nothing more or less. I suggest you leave. PS4 will out sell the Xbox one with all the information given and even that still is a guess. @Masterfocker I think you need to learn how to read. He is saying base on that information the Xbox one will sell more. But in reality there is more hate on Xbox One and there is also more people that bought PS3 which go against what he said. Go be a playstation fanboy on a different forum, this has nothing to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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