tenpennyisplainevil Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Franklin repossesses a car and Michael notices his obvious skill with cars. He sees that he's not just a gangbanger, but above that. Franklin is intelligent, handles car with ease, a perfect addition to Michael's team. Michael approaches him and gives him a chance to ditch all this hood crap, which is the one opportunity Franklin has been waiting for all his life and grabs it with both hands. Michael tests Franklin by telling him to get some heat to see how he'd shake them off. Franklin passes the test in a spectacular means and hereby shows his true driving skills. He's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miltonlava Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Franklin repossesses a car and Michael notices his obvious skill with cars. He sees that he's not just a gangbanger, but above that. Franklin is intelligent, handles car with ease, a perfect addition to Michael's team. Michael approaches him and gives him a chance to ditch all this hood crap, which is the one opportunity Franklin has been waiting for all his life and grabs it with both hands. Michael tests Franklin by telling him to get some heat to see how he'd shake them off. Franklin passes the test in a spectacular means and hereby shows his true driving skills. He's in. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poklane Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Franklin is the son he always wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I bet Franklin doesn't see Michael as anything more than a paycheck with alot of zeroes. That father-son bullsh*t is all in Michael's mind, cuz Michael is egotistical, and thinks he's the boss of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From B With Love Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Kind of off topic but read 'my life as a real cocaine cowboy' by Jon Roberts. Not only is it an out this world account but the mastermind of his smuggling operation is the least likely person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miltonlava Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Kind of off topic but read 'my life as a real cocaine cowboy' by Jon Roberts. Not only is it an out this world account but the mastermind of his smuggling operation is the least likely person. Sounds interesting, will definitely check it out. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakydude20 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Franklin is a good driver and you need a good driver when being followed by the cops after a heist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben73 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Every good story has a stereotypical black guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagzGTA Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 A good getaway driver is a priority. Franklin's a good driver. It's pretty obvious right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjmthe2nd Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 kinda does sound unrealistic,because people today, like Michael,the rich white guy, sees a thug like Franklin wearing baggy ass clothin' i dont think he would want anything to do wit him,he could respect him as a person, but i'd doubt he'd invite him to do a heist,but then again maybe Franklin ASKED him, and proves he's a good use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papi Chulo Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) Check this out.... @1.03 My prediction is Franklin reposes Micheal's luxury yacht, while jimmy is on board. Franklin notices jimmy hanging off the ledge, climbs out of the trucks passenger window, in attempt to save jimmys life. Edited June 1, 2013 by Papi-Chulo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enterprise Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Check this out.... @1.03 My prediction is Franklin reposes Micheal's luxury yacht, while jimmy is on board. Franklin notices jimmy hanging off the ledge, climbs out of the trucks passenger window, & saves jimmy. you have an amazing eye i've never noticed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apxidia Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 How does Franklin get involved In all these massive heists? Doesn't it seem a bit unrealistic, put yourself in Michales shoes, living in the hills as a professional why would he want to affiliate with a 'gang banger'? How do you think they will become acquainted? Not being rude, but you sound a bit thick asking these questions. * Firstly, you will find out as the story progresses through the game. That's the whole of playing the game so you find out. Why bother playing the storyline if you find out everything about storyline before playing the game ? DURRH * Franklin is an ex-gangbanger, now a repo man. Yes, we can assume judging from the screenshots and trailers that he's still closely affiliated with gang members and the gangbangin' culture. But for most part, he's trying to get away from that and elevate himself above lower-level street crime. He looks for a better to make lots of money fast, and for that aim he gets involved in heists. Not really that hard to understand. Again, DURRH. * So people from all different walks of life and social standing don't mix in American cities then ? Yeah in a city sure, you have luxury areas, the suburbs, the working class districts and the ghettos - but in a city, all kinds of people of any ethnicity are still free to mingle among one another. So what the f**k is so unrealistic about Franklin becoming acquainted with Michael. Unless Los Santos has a some kind of segregationist rules that enforced * In real life people who engage in organized crime very often tend to work and have dealings with other criminals that are the kind of people that they would otherwise not normally come into contact with or associate with on a regular, everyday basis. For instance, an immigrant Mexican or Colombian drug cartel cell boss in the U.S. might find himself wholesaling kilos of cocaine and heroin to African-American gangs from the ghettos for them sell it on for profit at retail level on the streets of that ghetto, because the gangs know it well. Because of nature of organized crime, gangsters will find themselves making alliances with anyone that has any certain or specific skills and expertise that would best serve or protect their interests, whether it's a Mafia boss, Hispanic drug lord, or Black street gang leader, race, class, whatever, makes no difference, the main aim for them is all about making money and becoming powerful. Nothing unrealistic about that. So what is so unrealistic about Michael and Franklin getting together to find a way to make fast, big bucks ? Next time use your brains properly. : Of course we will find out as we progress through the game and storyline you flicking scrotum, I was just curious as to how people thought they would come together. : It may seem a bit stereotypical toward the typical gangster, just have a hard time imagining someone in Franklins position working his way from a street gang to robbing banks and Michael even considering Franklin as a worthy member. Judging by movies like the oceans series they are all professionals and George clooney doesn't go to the ghetto families to recruit people, he has connections. Also see heat. And with the 'durrrs'? Grow up man, I was just curious and had questions I wanted to raise to the community, sorry for not using my brains. And Trevor? Yeah he's very professional. If I had a choice between Franklin or Trevor, I'd choose Franklin. Why? Because at least with Franklin, I won't have to worry that he'll flip his sh*t any minute and decide to kill everyone around him for absolutely no reason. Also I won't have to worry he's high on meth or something of the sort. Lastly, Trevor seems to be the biggest magnet of trouble, confrontation, and police surveillance out of the three. Not the type of person I'd want near me while I'm planning a heist. Go watch the oceans movies and tell me if you saw someone like Trevor there lol. There is a heist movie that comes to mind when I think of Trevor though...'Heat'. Can you think of the character I'm referring to in that movie? No? He was the one that went crazy and ruined everything for the crew. He looks and acts exactly like Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niick99 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 How does Franklin get involved In all these massive heists? Doesn't it seem a bit unrealistic, put yourself in Michales shoes, living in the hills as a professional why would he want to affiliate with a 'gang banger'? How do you think they will become acquainted? Not being rude, but you sound a bit thick asking these questions. * Firstly, you will find out as the story progresses through the game. That's the whole of playing the game so you find out. Why bother playing the storyline if you find out everything about storyline before playing the game ? DURRH * Franklin is an ex-gangbanger, now a repo man. Yes, we can assume judging from the screenshots and trailers that he's still closely affiliated with gang members and the gangbangin' culture. But for most part, he's trying to get away from that and elevate himself above lower-level street crime. He looks for a better to make lots of money fast, and for that aim he gets involved in heists. Not really that hard to understand. Again, DURRH. * So people from all different walks of life and social standing don't mix in American cities then ? Yeah in a city sure, you have luxury areas, the suburbs, the working class districts and the ghettos - but in a city, all kinds of people of any ethnicity are still free to mingle among one another. So what the f**k is so unrealistic about Franklin becoming acquainted with Michael. Unless Los Santos has a some kind of segregationist rules that enforced * In real life people who engage in organized crime very often tend to work and have dealings with other criminals that are the kind of people that they would otherwise not normally come into contact with or associate with on a regular, everyday basis. For instance, an immigrant Mexican or Colombian drug cartel cell boss in the U.S. might find himself wholesaling kilos of cocaine and heroin to African-American gangs from the ghettos for them sell it on for profit at retail level on the streets of that ghetto, because the gangs know it well. Because of nature of organized crime, gangsters will find themselves making alliances with anyone that has any certain or specific skills and expertise that would best serve or protect their interests, whether it's a Mafia boss, Hispanic drug lord, or Black street gang leader, race, class, whatever, makes no difference, the main aim for them is all about making money and becoming powerful. Nothing unrealistic about that. So what is so unrealistic about Michael and Franklin getting together to find a way to make fast, big bucks ? Next time use your brains properly. : Of course we will find out as we progress through the game and storyline you flicking scrotum, I was just curious as to how people thought they would come together. : It may seem a bit stereotypical toward the typical gangster, just have a hard time imagining someone in Franklins position working his way from a street gang to robbing banks and Michael even considering Franklin as a worthy member. Judging by movies like the oceans series they are all professionals and George clooney doesn't go to the ghetto families to recruit people, he has connections. Also see heat. And with the 'durrrs'? Grow up man, I was just curious and had questions I wanted to raise to the community, sorry for not using my brains. And Trevor? Yeah he's very professional. If I had a choice between Franklin or Trevor, I'd choose Franklin. Why? Because at least with Franklin, I won't have to worry that he'll flip his sh*t any minute and decide to kill everyone around him for absolutely no reason. Also I won't have to worry he's high on meth or something of the sort. Lastly, Trevor seems to be the biggest magnet of trouble, confrontation, and police surveillance out of the three. Not the type of person I'd want near me while I'm planning a heist. Go watch the oceans movies and tell me if you saw someone like Trevor there lol. There is a heist movie that comes to mind when I think of Trevor though...'Heat'. Can you think of the character I'm referring to in that movie? No? He was the one that went crazy and ruined everything for the crew. He looks and acts exactly like Trevor Yeah in heat, it was the guy with the long hair and he was killing young girls after he f*cked them for cash. But everyone whos seen the movie knows he got what was coming to him at the end by the legend Robert Deniro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokerJG Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 "All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us" -MJ Simple minds and Social Stigmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWetPartoftheArm Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 How does Franklin get involved In all these massive heists? Doesn't it seem a bit unrealistic, put yourself in Michales shoes, living in the hills as a professional why would he want to affiliate with a 'gang banger'? How do you think they will become acquainted? I feel this statement is racist for some reason Yes, because gang bangers are a race. I'm sorry sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step outside of the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverHere Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 The son he always wanted. He probably wanted to do crimes with his real son in the past. But he (son) didn't wanted to do that. Franklin is young and wants to do the stuff Michael wants to do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSM. HB J-DOGG Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) I bet Franklin doesn't see Michael as anything more than a paycheck with alot of zeroes. That father-son bullsh*t is all in Michael's mind, cuz Michael is egotistical, and thinks he's the boss of everyone. This Michael like most criminal master mind wants a apprentice someone to past the knowledge down too and Jimmy does not meet michaels standard. Franklin only see him as $$$$$$$$ Edited June 1, 2013 by CSM. HB J-DOGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokerJG Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 How does Franklin get involved In all these massive heists? Doesn't it seem a bit unrealistic, put yourself in Michales shoes, living in the hills as a professional why would he want to affiliate with a 'gang banger'? How do you think they will become acquainted? I feel this statement is racist for some reason Yes, because gang bangers are a race. I'm sorry sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step outside of the internet. Apparently they are a race. He (OP) definitely wasn't saying anything about Franklin really being a gangbanger (it's no confirmation that Franklin is a gangbanger. And if so, when I wear blue, I'm a crip). And he certainly wasn't using the logic of Criminal (gangbanger)/Crime (heist). Sure it wasn't said; but it's safe to assume that because Franklin is a black guy from the hiznood(hood) he is unrealistically incapable of being involved in something so intelligent and dexterous as a heist. Because it hasn't been in a movie before(excluding the movies it has been in). I'm sorry sir, but I'm going to have to ask YOU to step outside of the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) : It may seem a bit stereotypical toward the typical gangster, just have a hard time imagining someone in Franklins position working his way from a street gang to robbing banks and Michael even considering Franklin as a worthy member. Judging by movies like the oceans series they are all professionals and George clooney doesn't go to the ghetto families to recruit people, he has connections. Also see heat. That is just your problem here bro. You are backing your points by referencing Hollywood crime movies. They are just movies and they are generally not accurate reflections of what actually happens in real life criminal societies. So all that that stuff about the Ocean's movie series and Heat is just pure bullsh*t. Criminals will work with whoever they feel will help them achieve their objectives. Michael can obviously see certain criminal talents and skills in Franklin that could be of valuable use to the crew for their planned heists to be successful, hence why he has chose to work with him. Franklin is supposed to be a very good getaway driver, as an ex-gangbanger he can handle a gun and is not afraid to kill when he has too, and he's got ambition and street smarts. Franklin attributes is why he is definitely a guy Michael would really like to work with, there is nothing unrealistic about that at all. Unless........... And what are you trying imply by saying that Franklin is "not worthy" of Michael recruiting him as part of his bank robbery crew ?? It is just because you think Franklin is just another "dumb gangbanger" ? Or is it because Franklin is from the ghetto, so simply because of that it automatically means that he is not good enough for committing more complex crimes like well-planned heists ? Newsflash bro, gang members don't just stay on the street corner selling drugs or snatch handbags and chains for money, they carry out well-planned robberies too you know. Just what f**k are you saying ? Gangsters, mobsters, gang members, robbery crews, etc all have one single aim in common and that is to make money from crime. There are no set rules as to who they work with when it comes to making fast, big money - they will only work with each other if they can see and feel it would result in great success in their aims. You really don't make any kind of sense at all. @ Niick99 I won't go as far as to say the OP is racist as I have not seen any clear evidence of that. But I see what you mean, and I would agree that he is sailing dangerously close to controversial territory with his stupid, ignorant comments. Edited June 2, 2013 by Official General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWetPartoftheArm Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 How does Franklin get involved In all these massive heists? Doesn't it seem a bit unrealistic, put yourself in Michales shoes, living in the hills as a professional why would he want to affiliate with a 'gang banger'? How do you think they will become acquainted? I feel this statement is racist for some reason Yes, because gang bangers are a race. I'm sorry sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step outside of the internet. Apparently they are a race. He (OP) definitely wasn't saying anything about Franklin really being a gangbanger (it's no confirmation that Franklin is a gangbanger. And if so, when I wear blue, I'm a crip). And he certainly wasn't using the logic of Criminal (gangbanger)/Crime (heist). Sure it wasn't said; but it's safe to assume that because Franklin is a black guy from the hiznood(hood) he is unrealistically incapable of being involved in something so intelligent and dexterous as a heist. Because it hasn't been in a movie before(excluding the movies it has been in). I'm sorry sir, but I'm going to have to ask YOU to step outside of the internet. You're overreaching, it is suggested that Franklin is a gang banger in his trailer when he says to Lamarr "You're giving me a lecture about not being a good enough gang banger... " which could of course be construed as sarcasm but it remains obvious that he engages in the same activities that gang bangers do, and has direct affiliations. To infer it had anything to do with Franklin being black is just another indication of society's paranoia every time someone mentions anything that can be indirectly associated with African Americans. The OP was almost definitely referring to the fact that people of all races involved in gangs are, more often than not, unintelligent and/or remedially educated people who probably wouldn't do very well in major heists that require a great deal of planning, patience and flawless execution. If it weren't for the fact that it's suggested multiple times in the trailers that Franklin doesn't want to be a gang banger and wants to break free from the lifestyle, he'd have a point. Regardless, I saw absolutely no indications of racism whatsoever and gang bangers are certainly NOT a race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 The OP was almost definitely referring to the fact that people of all races involved in gangs are, more often than not, unintelligent and/or remedially educated people who probably wouldn't do very well in major heists that require a great deal of planning, patience and flawless execution. This point in itself is so stupid. I don't see how anyone could automatically come to this conclusion. So let's see, now to be a skilled armed robber who successfully pulls off heists, you have to have a guy wearing smart suit, come from a middle-class background and be well-educated now ? Look, criminals are criminals, they all think and act with a criminal brain with varying degrees of success regardless of what type of a person they are, I cannot see what being in a gang has anything to do with a how successful a criminal can be. A criminal does not have to go to some prestigious college or university to study crime to become successful at it - criminal skills and talents can be learned and acquired in any environment or social setting. Just what is it with people on here assuming or thinking that gang members are "unintelligent" ? People on here talk so much sh*t about gangs like they know it all, and in reality all they know is what they see on TV, Hollywood movies, gangsta rap and Youtube videos. Being in a street gang requires a great deal of criminal skill and smarts to even survive, let alone the hustling and selling drugs side of things. It is not something that should be dismissed so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhreetegs Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 maybe through Franklin's car business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentype Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 OP please google search troy and dino smith, romper room gang, and Chaz williams to name a few, all of them came from low income black ghetto areas, but that didn't stop them from being involved in heists without some rich "professional"(caucasian) robber even being involved, so I must ask if what your implying is that certain segments of the criminal underworld,(i.e. black/black gangs in this case) are only capable of slinging/selling crack and bangin, but nothing else.(which if that is what your implying I can tell you now you'd be dead wrong.) I can't say for sure, but it seems like your not really pondering so much as to why these 2 would work together, but indeed you really want to say,"why the f*ck would this rich white guy/former criminal want to work with a ghetto black guy, I know I wouldn't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 OP please google search troy and dino smith, romper room gang, and Chaz williams to name a few, all of them came from low income black ghetto areas, but that didn't stop them from being involved in heists without some rich "professional"(caucasian) robber even being involved, so I must ask if what your implying is that certain segments of the criminal underworld,(i.e. black/black gangs in this case) are only capable of slinging/selling crack and bangin, but nothing else.(which if that is what your implying I can tell you now you'd be dead wrong.)I can't say for sure, but it seems like your not really pondering so much as to why these 2 would work together, but indeed you really want to say,"why the f*ck would this rich white guy/former criminal want to work with a ghetto black guy, I know I wouldn't." That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm not saying the OP is definitely saying this, but he is certain giving strong indications that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKrigeron Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 The " son I always wanted" line was obviously a joke, you see how Fanklin responds? also It is not necessarly sarcasm, it's just a way of talking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedweather Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 i gathered from the trailers Michael sees something in Franklin he likes plus its not like Michael is making the greatest decisions he is basing his heists from movies he has watched.... Michael is bored, he wants an escape....to get crazy again. Trevor and Franklin seem great to cause some mayhem with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aly Zaroon Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 "I sound like somebody trying to make some paper and not get killed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWetPartoftheArm Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 The OP was almost definitely referring to the fact that people of all races involved in gangs are, more often than not, unintelligent and/or remedially educated people who probably wouldn't do very well in major heists that require a great deal of planning, patience and flawless execution. This point in itself is so stupid. I don't see how anyone could automatically come to this conclusion. So let's see, now to be a skilled armed robber who successfully pulls off heists, you have to have a guy wearing smart suit, come from a middle-class background and be well-educated now ? Look, criminals are criminals, they all think and act with a criminal brain with varying degrees of success regardless of what type of a person they are, I cannot see what being in a gang has anything to do with a how successful a criminal can be. A criminal does not have to go to some prestigious college or university to study crime to become successful at it - criminal skills and talents can be learned and acquired in any environment or social setting. Just what is it with people on here assuming or thinking that gang members are "unintelligent" ? People on here talk so much sh*t about gangs like they know it all, and in reality all they know is what they see on TV, Hollywood movies, gangsta rap and Youtube videos. Being in a street gang requires a great deal of criminal skill and smarts to even survive, let alone the hustling and selling drugs side of things. It is not something that should be dismissed so easily. I already said I don't agree with the OP's point in regard to Franklin, and I certainly don't believe it's impossible for a gang member to be involved in a major heist, but I do believe that if studies were conducted (and I'm sure they have been) into a possible correlation between a lack of education and intelligence and members of street gangs there would almost certainly be a significant one. "Street smarts" is one thing, but most major heists that require a great deal of planning tend to involve more than just "street smarts", often knowledge of mechanics and architecture as well as a professional background of sorts plays a large part in successful cases. Your "criminals are criminals" attitude is far too black and white, there are all kinds of criminals, smart and dumb. There is no concrete evidence to suggest the existence of a "criminal brain", as far as we know we all have the capability to be criminals. Gang members from the "hood" however (again, regardless of race) probably rank pretty low on the intelligence scale in general due to the rough areas they live in combined with their upbringing and lack of decent schooling, so it's not entirely unreasonable to assume the possibility that a street gang member would not be in the same league as a former professional because they lack the intellect and experience that often goes into these things. Having said that, this depends on the scale of the heists involved, I'm sure it's possible for a street hood to be successful in a few bank robberies but if any of these missions involve massively intricate invasions of maximum security buildings in order to steal priceless artifacts, well we can assume that your regular street thug may not be up to the job. Like I said though, it appears that Franklin is not portrayed as your typical gang banger, so the OP's point is likely moot. Either way, racism has nothing to do with any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatterBoxFM Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Sure it wasn't said; but it's safe to assume that because Franklin is a black guy from the hiznood(hood) he is unrealistically incapable of being involved in something so intelligent and dexterous as a heist. Because it hasn't been in a movie before(excluding the movies it has been in). I'm sorry sir, but I'm going to have to ask YOU to step outside of the internet. its very safe to assume franklin is apart of grove street. you sir are the one that associated with race. racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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