Next-Gen hardware power

[iNero]

First off: this Thread is not about PS4 vs Xbox One but to show people how much actually is possible with the given specs and that they arent comparable with PC Specs.

 

Here are a few Articles and Analysis which explain how powerful the Next Gens actually are. You should read the full articles to get the whole thing in a context. Basicly: The Power is way higher than whyt you would expect when watching the pure Specs

 

It’s not how big it is; it’s what you do with it

 

 

Another way of looking at the Xbox One and PS4, though, is their power relative to their predecessors. In terms of raw, synthetic performance, the Xbox 360 could churn out around 300 gigaflops; the PS3 was around 400 gigaflops. The Xbox One and PS4, however, should both be above two teraflops — about six times more powerful than their predecessors. Remember, the output resolution (1920×1080) is unlikely to change — so, with six times more power, we’re looking at a significant improvement to image quality.

 

Using teraflops as a stand-in for real-world performance, though, to quote our hardware analyst Joel Hruska, is like “giving the fuel efficiency of a car going downhill with an 80 mph tailwind on helium-inflated tires.” What it ultimately comes down to is how efficiently developers use the hardware — and in that regard, we have high hopes. With the shift to x86, and a GPU architecture (AMD’s GCN) that’s well known, developers will be able to hit the ground running. Compare this to the Cell CPUs at the heart of the Xbox 360 and PS3, which took years for developers to fully understand.

[...] real-world performance differences will probably come down to how well the consoles make use of those eight CPU cores, GPU offloading, and differences in the memory subsystem. It’s also important to bear in mind that a huge speed-up is available when developing games for a fixed platform with known performance/latency characteristics. [...] Likewise, games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-x...e-specs-compare

 

 

How PS4 Could Overpower a More Powerful PC

 

 

When you have an operating system designed to run quietly in the background and consume as little CPU and RAM as possible, much faster and unified RAM than PC, the ability to milk every last drop of power out of every component because you do not have to make your software compatible across a wide range of CPUs and GPUs, and the ability for your CPU and GPU to both assist each other with render operations and computing without taking a bandwidth hit, you end up having to buy a PC that would be considerably more expensive than a PS4 will likely be in order to get the same level of performance. There is no doubt that you could spend a small fortune and assemble a PC that would have the hardware capabilities to blow PS4 out of the water, even with these limitations. However, when it comes to bang for your buck, PS4 does easily provide a better hardware value for gaming than an equally priced PC would.

 

 

http://e-mpire.com/content.php/2056-How-PS...ore-Powerful-PC

 

 

 

PlayStation 4 / Xbox One: 4A Games (Metro: Last Light): twice as powerful as Gaming-PCs

 

 

Digital Foundry: Let's talk about next-gen console. What's your take on the general design in terms of CPU and graphics processing power?

Oles Shishkovstov: We are talking PS4, right? I am very excited about both CPU and GPU. Jaguar is a pretty well-balanced out-of-order core and there are eight of them inside. I always wanted a lot of relatively-low-power cores instead of single super-high-performance one, because it's easier to simply parallelise something instead of changing core-algorithms or chasing every cycle inside critical code segment (not that we don't do that, but very often we can avoid it).

Many beefier cores would be even better, but then we'll be left without a GPU! With regards the graphics core, it's great, simply great. It's a modern-age high-performance compute device with unified memory and multiple compute-contexts. The possibilities of CPU-GPU-CPU communication are endless, we can easily expect games doing, for example, AI pathfinding/route planning executing on GPU to become a common thing.

 

Digital Foundry: To what extent is the 8GB of GDDR5 in the PlayStation 3 a game-changer? What implications does that have for PC, where even the standard GTX 680 ships with just 2GB of GDDR5?

Oles Shishkovstov: RAM is really, really important for games, but all of it actually being useful depends on available CPU-side bandwidth and latency to the external storage device. I think that they put slightly more RAM than necessary for truly next-generation games this time, but considering the past history of Sony stealing significant percentage of RAM from developers for OS needs - that may be exactly the right amount!

 

 

[...]

 

Digital Foundry: Do you think that the relatively low-power CPUs in the next-gen consoles (compared to PC, at least) will see a more concerted push to getting more out of GPU Compute?

Oles Shishkovstov: No, you just cannot compare consoles to PC directly. Consoles could do at least 2x what a comparable PC can due to the fixed platform and low-level access to hardware.

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...etro-last-light

 

 

for you guys who understand German:

what GDDR5 actually means for the PS4 and Next Gen Gaming---> http://forum.onpsx.de/showthread.php?t=29255

 

Tech Analysis:

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...alysis-xbox-one

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-on...playstation-4/2

http://www.redgamingtech.com/xbox-one-vs-p...nd-performance/

 

About the heavily modified PS4 GPU and how it can beat most PCs:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2316133

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/154924-s...rged-apu-design

Edited June 1, 2013 by iNero

[Zirvlok]

I had to stop reading just to point something out real quick. In that first quote snippet, it says that the CELL was powering the 360 and PS3, when in fact it was only powering the PS3. And I continue reading...

 

[iNero]

 

I had to stop reading just to point something out real quick. In that first quote snippet, it says that the CELL was powering the 360 and PS3, when in fact it was only powering the PS3. And I continue reading...

 

The cores in the Xbox 360 CPU are sligthly modified versions of the PPE that are in the Cell Processor of the Playstation 3, so yeah it is also a Cell.

 

but thats something most people are not sure about

[Zirvlok]

 

I had to stop reading just to point something out real quick. In that first quote snippet, it says that the CELL was powering the 360 and PS3, when in fact it was only powering the PS3. And I continue reading...

 

The cores in the Xbox 360 CPU are sligthly modified versions of the PPE that are in the Cell Processor of the Playstation 3, so yeah it is also a Cell.

 

but thats something most people are not sure about

Ah ok. Well in the last quote snippet, second Digital Foundry question, they say PlayStation 3 instead of PlayStation 4. Correct me on THAT!

[iNero]

I had to stop reading just to point something out real quick. In that first quote snippet, it says that the CELL was powering the 360 and PS3, when in fact it was only powering the PS3. And I continue reading...

 

The cores in the Xbox 360 CPU are sligthly modified versions of the PPE that are in the Cell Processor of the Playstation 3, so yeah it is also a Cell.

 

but thats something most people are not sure about

Ah ok. Well in the last quote snippet, second Digital Foundry question, they say PlayStation 3 instead of PlayStation 4. Correct me on THAT!

hahah. Yeah. i did read like 20 Articles in the past months and

almost all had this mixed up the 3 and 4 quite often

[Hvitdverg]

iNero, what do you think Jak And Daxter will look like on the PS4.

Or Uncharted 4

Edited May 30, 2013 by Hvitdverg

[iNero]

 

Nero

 

Update the thread with this information.

 

http://www.redgamingtech.com/xbox-one-vs-p...nd-performance/

 

I'm not able to copy the tables directy into here, perhaps you know how too!

 

It's the current difference between PS4/Xbox One Hardware, and I must say, the PS4 hardware is much better so far.

I think its the same link that i already provided at the bottom of the startpost.

 

I did not quote from every link cause that would be too much

 

at the Tech Analysis Links

[nigelhere9901]

Capabilities are endless. Next Gen games will about physics.

[Hvitdverg]

I can't wait to see what Next-generation brings-.

Edited May 30, 2013 by Hvitdverg

[iNero]

lets better dont flame one of the consoles before this thread gets closed again. And me probably gets a ban

[Hvitdverg]

lets better dont flame one of the consoles before this thread gets closed again. And me probably gets a ban

You are right mate, must not make flamewars. I'll edit above comments

 

Must keep you from being banned <3

[DODI3OG]

The PS4 has a separate chip dedicated for cloud gaming.

 

DualShock 4 is in place of the PS Move's peripherals. Meaning; instead of reusing current-gen's PS Move's peripherals such as the Motion and Navigation sticks, it will solely need the Dualshock 4.

 

Sauce: http://uk.playstation.com/ps4/

[iNero]

I love to have this Thread which I can show everytime a PC Elitist come and tries to build a similar PC or says he gets a better PC for the price or when they simply say that the Next Gens are worse and cheaper PC

[DODI3OG]

 

games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.

IIRC, this was the case during the previous generations as well.

Consoles being the superior platform for 2-3 years until PC takes over.

[nigelhere9901]

 

games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.

IIRC, this was the case during the previous generations as well.

Consoles being the superior platform for 2-3 years until PC takes over.

That won't be happening this time. The PS4 is relatively inferior compared to X360 at it's time. X360 was actually pretty powerful. Brought Unified Shader Architecture (The reason why Gears Of War looked better in 2006 than anything available on PS3 or PC).

 

This time, the PS4 has brought nothing, even before launch, it's comparable to a Mid Range PC.

 

Hell, I can build a $600 PC that is more powerful than the PS4.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6100 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Microcenter)

Motherboard: ECS A960M-M3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($41.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.98 @ NCIX US)

Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($235.66 @ Newegg)

Case: Diablotek CPA-7620 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($37.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $582.55 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-30 07:21 EDT-0400)

 

And that's before launch. Efficiency works, yes. But it does not when you are stuck with something that is significantly inferior.

X360 was not that weak at launch, whereas even before it's release, the PS4 is too weak.

 

Now to refute your original post. This time, it will be different. PS4 games will not look better than PC games.

 

Just don't pull yourself for in some disappointment.

[iNero]

^

Lol at you. Seems like you havent even red a single analysis article...

And no clue how consoles work. Otherwise you would know that its impossible to compare hardware figures..

 

Btw:

 

The PS4 runs a GPU which is equal to the 7970M which can run Crysis 3 on very high with AA enabled with staple 35-40 fps. And all that in a laptop. And that info was before we knew it will have 8GB of unified gddr5. And before we know that its even heavily modified ( article above)

Now add the advanced architecture of the next gens over the pc and let me quote this:

 

Of course, these ballpark tests are not the be-all-and-end-all of next-gen power - let's not forget that the new consoles are dedicated games machines gifted with a host of advantages over PC hardware. Factor out the overhead of the Windows OS, introduce ever-evolving development tools written for a fixed platform, and consider the performance advantages of a dedicated design - particularly the fast interconnects between CPU, GPU and RAM. What we have here is hardware that easily punches above its weight compared to performance couched purely in PC terms. It's a state of affairs borne out by both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3: by 2007, PC hardware had already moved significantly beyond the raw horsepower offered by current-gen consoles, yet games like God of War 3, Halo 4 and Uncharted 3 have extracted visual performance that could only have been dreamed of back then. Based on what we know about the next-gen consoles, there's little reason why history can't repeat itself.

 

 

Incorporated into a design dedicated to cutting-edge visuals and gameplay, this hardware has some serious potential.

 

Source

 

After it was offical they said its also equal to the 7870. And that thing can run BF3 on ultra with AA with around 80 FPS OC.

 

 

Edited June 1, 2013 by iNero

[Fireman]

Also note that when articles talk about a PC around the same price they do not mean a self-build PC, they mean a ready-to-go supermarket PC.

 

Everything is compared to the most mediocre PC possible.

[iNero]

 

Also note that when articles talk about a PC around the same price they do not mean a self-build PC, they mean a ready-to-go supermarket PC.

 

Everything is compared to the most mediocre PC possible.

If that makes you sleep at night.... everything is explained in OP and they compared them with gaming PCs.

 

The PS4 Architecture is advanced and not even possible on PC yet. Same goes for the unified memory pool and thats only one reason why the the ps4 isnt comparable with pc at all.

You should do research first before posting.

 

I might sound pro console but its just pathetic how PC Gamers with no technical/console development knowledge say that the PS4 is just a worse and cheap mid range pc. Like mentioned in several articles, it is an advanced piece of high end hardware in its whole although the specs sound mid range

 

And we dont need a PC vs Console War in here...

Edited June 1, 2013 by iNero

[OysterBarron]

It doesn't really matter what hardware you have it's all dependant on how the software makers utilise the hardware. You can have any specs and features on paper but if devs do not utilise those features of witch at least for the first 2-3 years devs will not use fully due to inexperience of the system then it means nothing. These articles assume that they are going to max the consoles out on day 1 witch in the real world isn't going to happen.

[nigelhere9901]

 

^

Lol at you. Seems like you havent even red a single analysis article...

And no clue how consoles work. Otherwise you would know that its impossible to compare hardware figures..

 

Btw:

 

The PS4 runs a GPU which is equal to the 7970M which can run Crysis 3 on very high with AA enabled with staple 35-40 fps. And all that in a laptop. And that info was before we knew it will have 8GB of unified gddr5. And before we know that its even heavily modified ( article above)

Now add the advanced architecture of the next gens over the pc and let me quote this:

 

Of course, these ballpark tests are not the be-all-and-end-all of next-gen power - let's not forget that the new consoles are dedicated games machines gifted with a host of advantages over PC hardware. Factor out the overhead of the Windows OS, introduce ever-evolving development tools written for a fixed platform, and consider the performance advantages of a dedicated design - particularly the fast interconnects between CPU, GPU and RAM. What we have here is hardware that easily punches above its weight compared to performance couched purely in PC terms. It's a state of affairs borne out by both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3: by 2007, PC hardware had already moved significantly beyond the raw horsepower offered by current-gen consoles, yet games like God of War 3, Halo 4 and Uncharted 3 have extracted visual performance that could only have been dreamed of back then. Based on what we know about the next-gen consoles, there's little reason why history can't repeat itself.

 

 

Incorporated into a design dedicated to cutting-edge visuals and gameplay, this hardware has some serious potential.

 

Source

 

After it was offical they said its also equal to the 7870. And that thing can run BF3 on ultra with AA with around 80 FPS OC.

So you're naive and gullable enough to believe this PR bullsh*t?.

It happens every gen. Well, good for you I guess.

 

And dafuq you state? I have no knowledge? Riiiiiiiight.

 

I already stated in my latter post that efficiency works, but won't work when the system is vastly inferior. HSA is not going to help the PS4 beating the high end PCs. You are just showing your inner console fanboyism, you have no idea what you're talking about, just relying on developers fallacies.

 

Also to the above quotations in your original post.

It's literally impossible for any system to have no bottlenecks at all. You seriously gonna believe that sh*t?

 

One more thing. There is NO SUCH THING AS HEAVILY MODIFIED GPU. It's a CUSTOM CHIP by AMD. That's between a 7850 and a 7870, people that say otherwise are showing a huge display of idiocy and stupendous stupidity.

Edited June 1, 2013 by nigelhere9901

[iNero]

Are u serious? In those articles is not a single word from a Sony related Worker except the link about the modified GPU. If you would have read at least one of these articles you wouldnt talk like a PC elitist with this false imagination that better hardware means better graphics compared to consoles.

Its even stated that due the x86 architecture they can use it on the run without the need of years of experience like they had with Xbox and PS Architecture. If you really think that optimization and a fixed system with an architecture that isnt even possible on PCs yet, doesnt have such a huge impact, then you seem to be naive.

And tbh, I would even trust EA before taking something serious which comes from PC Elitists.

 

Like 10 dedicated Sources which are stating how powerful this box is and some PC gamers still try to act like they have more knowledge than an actual Tech Site.

[nigelhere9901]

Are u serious? In those articles is not a single word from a Sony related Worker except the link about the modified GPU. If you would have read at least one of these articles you wouldnt talk like a PC elitist with this false imagination that better hardware means better graphics compared to consoles.

Its even stated that due the x86 architecture they can use it on the run without the need of years of experience like they had with Xbox and PS Architecture. If you really think that optimization and a fixed system with an architecture that isnt even possible on PCs yet, doesnt have such a huge impact, then you seem to be naive.

And tbh, I would even trust EA before taking something serious which comes from PC Elitists.

 

Like 10 dedicated Sources which are stating how powerful this box is and some PC gamers still try to act like they have more knowledge than an actual Tech Site.

They did not state this, YOU did. "About the heavily modified PS4 GPU and how it can beat most PCs:"

 

So now you're going to turn into an ignoramus and call me an elitist? I'm not even a PC only gamer.

 

That is obvious, people have more experience with developing for x86 CPUs and it's a lot easier to learn than learning the CELL's Architecture.

 

Also, how the heck does EA come into this? I never said anything related to them nor my post had any relevance to it.

 

Sources? Or PR bullsh*t statements? The PS4 is powerful, but to think it's even comparable to a High End PC is just laughable. Just for your knowledge, the X360 was a LOT MORE powerful at it's time than PS4 will be at launch, this time the console generation leap isn't as big as you think it is.

 

One last thing, Crysis 3 runs 30-40FPS on the 7870 with NO AA in the background running.

[iNero]

 

Are u serious? In those articles is not a single word from a Sony related Worker except the link about the modified GPU. If you would have read at least one of these articles you wouldnt talk like a PC elitist with this false imagination that better hardware means better graphics compared to consoles.

Its even stated that due the x86 architecture they can use it on the run without the need of years of experience like they had with Xbox and PS Architecture.  If you really think that optimization and a fixed system with an architecture that isnt even possible on PCs yet, doesnt have such a huge impact, then you seem to be naive.

And tbh, I would even trust EA before taking something serious which comes from PC Elitists.

 

Like 10 dedicated Sources which are stating how powerful this box is and some PC gamers still try to act like they have more knowledge than an actual Tech Site.

They did not state this, YOU did. "About the heavily modified PS4 GPU and how it can beat most PCs:"

 

So now you're going to turn into an ignoramus and call me an elitist? I'm not even a PC only gamer.

 

That is obvious, people have more experience with developing for x86 CPUs and it's a lot easier to learn than learning the CELL's Architecture.

 

Also, how the heck does EA come into this? I never said anything related to them nor my post had any relevance to it.

 

Sources? Or PR bullsh*t statements? The PS4 is powerful, but to think it's even comparable to a High End PC is just laughable. Just for your knowledge, the X360 was a LOT MORE powerful at it's time than PS4 will be at launch, this time the console generation leap isn't as big as you think it is.

 

One last thing, Crysis 3 runs 30-40FPS on the 7870 with NO AA in the background running.

Perfect example how you did not get a single word...

Never did I say the PS4 is more powerful. Thats impossible with these Specs. Its about the Architecture and how all components work together. All the advantages of a console are explained in these posts.

 

AND were did I mention something about the 7870 running Crysis 3?

 

AND Im not a console only player...

 

Its just unbelievable how you think you have more knowledge about that stuff than these tech sites who have nothing to do with PR as they are dedicated and mainly focus on PC.

 

AND they DID state "heavily modified Readon APU"

[DODI3OG]

Just accept the fact that the PS4 WILL DO BETTER AT GAMING.

 

Yes, the specs sound mediocre but it's not about the specs, it's about WHAT IT CAN DO, GET IT?

EVERY OS in the PC, is inefficient compared even to current gen consoles' OS. Because the PC's OS is supposed to do EVERYTHING AT ONCE whilst the consoles' are focused solely for gaming.

Everything in these consoles are optimized for GAMING, whereas in the PC, it's NEVER OPTIMIZED for anything other than multitasking. GET IT?

In other words, they're tasked with cooperating with each other, UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER. PROVIDING EACH OTHER's needs.

This might not be the complete opposite in PC's case, though these hardware are never optimized to work with each other.

 

The GTX600 is never optimized to work with any Core i7 blah3x.

Why? There are lots of GFX cards and CPUs out there, who knows w/c will use w/c? That's why they're not developed to cope with anything.

Edited June 1, 2013 by DODI3OG

[nigelhere9901]

Are u serious? In those articles is not a single word from a Sony related Worker except the link about the modified GPU. If you would have read at least one of these articles you wouldnt talk like a PC elitist with this false imagination that better hardware means better graphics compared to consoles.

Its even stated that due the x86 architecture they can use it on the run without the need of years of experience like they had with Xbox and PS Architecture.  If you really think that optimization and a fixed system with an architecture that isnt even possible on PCs yet, doesnt have such a huge impact, then you seem to be naive.

And tbh, I would even trust EA before taking something serious which comes from PC Elitists.

 

Like 10 dedicated Sources which are stating how powerful this box is and some PC gamers still try to act like they have more knowledge than an actual Tech Site.

They did not state this, YOU did. "About the heavily modified PS4 GPU and how it can beat most PCs:"

 

So now you're going to turn into an ignoramus and call me an elitist? I'm not even a PC only gamer.

 

That is obvious, people have more experience with developing for x86 CPUs and it's a lot easier to learn than learning the CELL's Architecture.

 

Also, how the heck does EA come into this? I never said anything related to them nor my post had any relevance to it.

 

Sources? Or PR bullsh*t statements? The PS4 is powerful, but to think it's even comparable to a High End PC is just laughable. Just for your knowledge, the X360 was a LOT MORE powerful at it's time than PS4 will be at launch, this time the console generation leap isn't as big as you think it is.

 

One last thing, Crysis 3 runs 30-40FPS on the 7870 with NO AA in the background running.

Perfect example how you did not get a single word...

Never did I say the PS4 is more powerful. Thats impossible with these Specs. Its about the Architecture and how all components work together. All the advantages of a console are explained in these posts.

 

AND were did I mention something about the 7870 running Crysis 3?

 

AND Im not a console only player...

 

Its just unbelievable how you think you have more knowledge about that stuff than these tech sites who have nothing to do with PR as they are dedicated and mainly focus on PC.

 

AND they DID state "heavily modified Readon APU"

"After it was offical they said its also equal to the 7870" you have a problem with your brain memory.

 

Like I said previously, there is no such thing as heavily modified involving consoles, it's a custom chip by AMD to Sony. CPU and GPU on a single die hence APU and HSA and all that.

[iNero]

 

Just accept the fact that the PS4 WILL DO BETTER AT GAMING.

 

Yes, the specs sound mediocre but it's not about the specs, it's about WHAT IT CAN DO, GET IT?

EVERY OS in the PC, is inefficient compared even to current gen consoles' OS. Because the PC's OS is supposed to do EVERYTHING AT ONCE whilst the consoles' are focused solely for gaming.

Everything in these consoles are optimized for GAMING, whereas in the PC, it's NEVER OPTIMIZED for anything other than multitasking. GET IT?

thats a fight against windmills. They only see raw power specs.

 

I can tell you what they come up with next:

 

"PC will be way more powerfull when next Gen GPUs will be released next year" and all that stuff. Thats ture, but most players wont buy such a GPU for the next 1-2 Years and no Game will need such a powerfull GPU at all. I dont get people who buy a GTX690 too... Until there is a game which needs so much power, the 690 will be available for less than half the price with new, more powerful GPUs already available.

 

@ Nigel:

 

Mark Cerny:

 

the GPU powering the PS4 is an ATI Radeon with “a large number of modifications.”

 

and again, I never said anything about the 7870 related to Crysis 3...

i only mentioned 7970M which runs crysis with AA with 35-40 FPS

Edited June 1, 2013 by iNero

[nigelhere9901]

Just accept the fact that the PS4 WILL DO BETTER AT GAMING.

 

Yes, the specs sound mediocre but it's not about the specs, it's about WHAT IT CAN DO, GET IT?

EVERY OS in the PC, is inefficient compared even to current gen consoles' OS. Because the PC's OS is supposed to do EVERYTHING AT ONCE whilst the consoles' are focused solely for gaming.

Everything in these consoles are optimized for GAMING, whereas in the PC, it's NEVER OPTIMIZED for anything other than multitasking. GET IT?

thats a fight against windmills. They only see raw power specs.

 

I can tell you what they come up with next:

 

"PC will be way more powerfull when next Gen GPUs will be released next year" and all that stuff. Thats ture, but most players wont buy such a GPU for the next 1-2 Years and no Game will need such a powerfull GPU at all. I dont get people who buy a GTA690 too... Until there is a game which needs so much power, the 690 will be available for less than half the price with new, more powerful GPUs already available.

 

@ Nigel:

 

Mark Cerny:

 

the GPU powering the PS4 is an ATI Radeon with “a large number of modifications.”

 

and again, I never said anything about the 7870 related to Crysis 3...

i only mentioned 7970M which runs crysis with AA with 35-40 FPS

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/17/nvidias-...onths-were-not/

Right.

 

You DID say a sentence relating to the 7870, I just showed it to you.

 

You can stay being ignorant as long as you want.

 

 

Though there is one thing PCs have a problem with:

 

PC has a problem with DX's compute latency i.e. the problem is with the software infrastructure. The hardware is ready but the software (i.e. the Microsoft factor) is gimping PC hardware. Microsoft is not giving "Xbox OS" software for OEM gaming PCs.

 

For AMD's POV on this issue, please read http://www.slideshare.net/zlatan4177/gpgpu...rithms-in-games

 

NVIDIA has TCC driver to solve DX/WDDM's compute latency but the problem is with the interop with Direct3D. i.e. the TCC driver is targeting servers first not gaming PCs.

 

Both NVIDIA and AMD may follow Intel's lead in kitbashing DirectX with real direct access APIs.

 

The next gen consoles are just PCs without Microsoft's DX/WDDM gimping PC's GPUs.

 

DX11 Drawcalls on PCs are fixed, improved.

[iNero]

But you know that Next gens will support DX11(.1)?

 

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-di...lu-ray-1544364/

[nigelhere9901]

 

But you know that Next gens will support DX11(.1)?

 

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-di...lu-ray-1544364/

I was stating the problems and the overhead issues we have with DirectX on PC.

 

Also, that site literally doesn't know what they're talking about. PS4 isn't going to use the DirectX API, it will be LibGCM (Like the PS3, devs officially stated that). I think the site was trying to say that the next gen consoles will have Shader Model 5.1 which is correct. I'm not sure about the One though, DirectX API may or may not be implemented.

[iNero]

I dont get how someone can get this wrong:

 

 

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony...eatures-at-gdc/