Apparently one Protagonist is an Antagonist..

[.kiwi_4]

I would like Trevor to be the antagonist. But, as much as it pains me to say it, I think Franklin, after being caught in the middle, will go back to Lamar and the gang. Then, maybe he tries to kill the other 2 (Michael and Trevor) because he wants that part of his life gone.

[MikeyBelic]

I would like Trevor to be the antagonist. But, as much as it pains me to say it, I think Franklin, after being caught in the middle, will go back to Lamar and the gang. Then, maybe he tries to kill the other 2 (Michael and Trevor) because he wants that part of his life gone.

I doubt this lol.

[BlackNoise]

It really depends on how how you choose to define "antagonist" and even the context of Dan Houser's statements. It's easy to look at it from the perspective of how it affects the narrative, but it could simply mean one character is just a bad guy. Not a bad guy to the other protagonists(story), but just a bad guy to the world.

 

It would be odd for R* to flat out tell us one of the characters will be a bad guy to the others in some way or at some point. I'm thinking R* is just saying Trevor does terrible things. He's described as a true psychopath who kills without remorse. It's a fact that Trevor is an antagonist based on the most basic definition...

 

A person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary.

 

 

[MikeyBelic]

It really depends on how how you choose to define "antagonist" and even the context of Dan Houser's statements. It's easy to look at it from the perspective of how it affects the narrative, but it could simply mean one character is just a bad guy. Not a bad guy to the other protagonists(story), but just a bad guy to the world.

 

It would be odd for R* to flat out tell us one of the characters will be a bad guy to the others in some way or at some point. I'm thinking R* is just saying Trevor does terrible things. He's described as a true psychopath who kills without remorse. It's a fact that Trevor is an antagonist based on the most basic definition...

 

A person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary.

I'm starting to think more and more it will happen in my opinion. There's just so many things that don't add up I guess.

[Killerdude]

 

Leave. You can have your views, but don't start arguments over them. It's people like you who get genuine good topics that cause complex discussion to be locked, you're not a god, get your head out of the clouds and come down with the rest of society.

 

If you're going to contribute in a non violent way you're welcome to stay.

But it's not "My Views" It's what is written in that article, In no spot does it say a Protag will end up an antagonist, How you got that out of that is insane.

 

I'm just trying to avoid having even more people get stupid and ridiculous sh*t into their heads.

[MikeyBelic]

 

Leave. You can have your views, but don't start arguments over them. It's people like you who get genuine good topics that cause complex discussion to be locked, you're not a god, get your head out of the clouds and come down with the rest of society.

 

If you're going to contribute in a non violent way you're welcome to stay.

But it's not "My Views" It's what is written in that article, In no spot does it say a Protag will end up an antagonist, How you got that out of that is insane.

I reckon it's being referenced in a interview before too.

 

The more I think about it I don't see the game ending in any other way, if three men are able to pull off over 7 massive heists then how the hell would anyone take them down besides themselves.

 

And no, I think they'll live but what they become will die.

Edited May 26, 2013 by MikeyBelic

[Killerdude]

Leave. You can have your views, but don't start arguments over them. It's people like you who get genuine good topics that cause complex discussion to be locked, you're not a god, get your head out of the clouds and come down with the rest of society.

 

If you're going to contribute in a non violent way you're welcome to stay.

But it's not "My Views" It's what is written in that article, In no spot does it say a Protag will end up an antagonist, How you got that out of that is insane.

I reckon it's being referenced in a interview before too.

If you'd like to bring up the article and quote where it says one of the protags will eventually turn into an Antagonist, I'll gladly stfu and leave.

[cutthoatish]

Have they said anything about making choices like you could do in IV? It would be cool if they made it so there's a couple different options and you can decide who does what. It could add alot of replay value and make it so you could decide who snitches or try's to pull a fast one.

[FranticFatality]

None of them.

 

At all.

[kesta195]

Trevor is in his early 40's not 50's, although he does look it haha. I'd say Franklin is the most likely to be the antagonist. He is young, highly ambitious and has no reason to be loyal towards Michael or Trevor. Trevor is the least likely to betray the group, since he cares the least about money and is only in it for the thrill. How would you turn someone like that into a snitch? Still undecided about Michael, he could go either way.

[Algonquin Assassin]

None of them.

 

At all.

I was thinking that too. Maybe none of them are? I mean it's a pretty significant plot point after all. I still think they'll have a common enemy.

 

The idea that one betrays the other two is so corny, cheesy and predictable. The best part of GTA IV's story IMO was Dimiti's betrayal . It was so unexpected it left me genuinely shocked. I want that again in GTA V.

 

Hell the driving force maybe the dysfunctionality between the trio, but surely it can't end up with one of them f*cking over the other two.

[MikeyBelic]

None of them.

 

At all.

I was thinking that too. Maybe none of them are? I mean it's a pretty significant plot point after all. I still think they'll have a common enemy.

 

The idea that one betrays the other two is so corny, cheesy and predictable. The best part of GTA IV's story IMO was Dimiti's betrayal . It was so unexpected it left me genuinely shocked. I want that again in GTA V.

 

Hell the driving force maybe the dysfunctionality between the trio, but surely it can't end up with one of them f*cking over the other two.

In all honesty I smelt Dimitri's betrayal after the second mission, it just wasn't a relationship that would work.

[wwinterj]

Michael to me as Trevor seems to obvious.

[chestycougth]

Franklin seems more distant to me, so I think it would be too obvious if he was the antagonist. Whether its Micheal or Trevor _ I can't guess. Trevor has psychopathic tendencies which make him a good antagonist but it wouldn't add much to the story in terms of 'emotional story telling' which has become so popular in recent years. Therefore my best guess would be Micheal.

[Neudd]

I'm hoping that the trio will be doing the betraying this time round, after each heist they'll be getting bigger and stringer and won't need the ends they once relied on. Would be a lot different to how they usually take on the story, they always seem to make out the protags as good guys in a bad world.

 

Well, if it is one protag that betrays the others, it will be decided from player made choices later in the game.

 

 

[LennonNL]

 

Leave. You can have your views, but don't start arguments over them. It's people like you who get genuine good topics that cause complex discussion to be locked, you're not a god, get your head out of the clouds and come down with the rest of society.

 

If you're going to contribute in a non violent way you're welcome to stay.

 

You've got serious egotistical issues mate. a) that guy isn't starting any sort of argument and b) stop bigging up your threads to be the best out there, this sort of stuff has been discussed LOADS, you've just stuck a poll on it. No proper source or anything. Not a bad thread by any means, but stop being like that to others.

 

 

Franklin, cause hes the least predictable to be the antagonist, but people would probably think its racist that the black character turned out to be the villian over the 2 white guys

Because it WOULD be racist imho.

But it wouldn't that's the problem.

 

Exactly. It's a ridiculous claim for racism, is the black protag supposed to be an angel or something? He could easily betray them just as much as the other two, whether they were white, black, hispanic, russian, japanese whatever.

Pisses me off those stupid racism claims.

Edited May 26, 2013 by LennonNL

[MikeyBelic]

Leave. You can have your views, but don't start arguments over them. It's people like you who get genuine good topics that cause complex discussion to be locked, you're not a god, get your head out of the clouds and come down with the rest of society.

 

If you're going to contribute in a non violent way you're welcome to stay.

 

You've got serious egotistical issues mate. a) that guy isn't starting any sort of argument and b) stop bigging up your threads to be the best out there, this sort of stuff has been discussed LOADS, you've just stuck a poll on it. No proper source or anything. Not a bad thread by any means, but stop being like that to others.

 

 

Franklin, cause hes the least predictable to be the antagonist, but people would probably think its racist that the black character turned out to be the villian over the 2 white guys

Because it WOULD be racist imho.

But it wouldn't that's the problem.

 

Exactly. It's a ridiculous claim for racism, is the black protag supposed to be an angel or something? He could easily betray them just as much as the other two, whether they were white, black, hispanic, russian, japanese whatever.

Pisses me off those stupid racism claims.

I'm not trying to be demeaning to him, but the last thing I want is the thread to be locked because everyone's starting to argue over whether they think this is the situation or it isn't. I remember reading it somewhere and being pissed off about it, by all means I don't have a great source so you're open to judge that, but it isn't the point of the thread, hence I named the thread "Apparently one Protagonist is an Antagonist". I'm not saying it's the case but I'm not saying it isn't either.

 

Mate, I'm not trying to act like a god, I'm far from it. I probably could've worded my response to him better, but what happened can't be taken back, so I apologize if I was coming across as 'controlling'.

 

You're right about the fact I've seen it discussed before, I'm just trying to make this one a little different, that's why I've got the poll and I've asked people to discuss the reasoning and such.

 

And I agree with you very much about the racism thing, once it was an issue, along with sexism, but this issue's being addressed in the last decade and people need to stop being so touchy about it, if it continues along this way then we're basically reversing the wrongs and being stereotypical to the other side.

[brucie_suckyou]

I like to think it could be any one of the three characters.

depending on the choices you make and how things play out.

 

I can see the F.I.B identifying the weak link in the crew and trying to turn 'em.

[brucie_suckyou]

None of them.

 

At all.

I was thinking that too. Maybe none of them are? I mean it's a pretty significant plot point after all. I still think they'll have a common enemy.

 

The idea that one betrays the other two is so corny, cheesy and predictable. The best part of GTA IV's story IMO was Dimiti's betrayal . It was so unexpected it left me genuinely shocked. I want that again in GTA V.

 

Hell the driving force maybe the dysfunctionality between the trio, but surely it can't end up with one of them f*cking over the other two.

I agree but its so common in classic heist movies and stories that

the crew often turn on each other after a big haul.

 

These guys are very different people and I can see them turning on each other.

[Graven]

Let's all 3 be happy together!

That's not good story-wise. Somebody has to die!

[MikeyBelic]

Let's all 3 be happy together!

That's not good story-wise. Somebody has to die!

If Trevor gets pissed at Mike he should just shoot the therapist.

[gtamann123]

Hopefully no one. I don't want to have to kill a member of the trio because I like them all.

[BeardedxMic]

So I've read in a few places that one of the characters will turn out to be an antagonist, so which character would you prefer to see as the 'bad guy'?

 

Michael;

 

The middle aged guy, bored to death and returning to his former life of crime.

 

Franklin;

 

A young African-American/Hispanic lad, most likely in his 20's, he wants to escape the life of gangs and such he's supposed to be involved in and wants to make a living doing 'the bigger stuff'

 

Trevor;

 

A man most likely in his early 50's, an absolute nutcase, attracted by the bigger bang and not afraid of what he has to do to cause it

 

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Now the question is, who do you wish to see as the antagonist out of the three?

 

How would you like to see them turn into the Antagonist? Is there a reason why? Do you want it to be caused emotionally or just out of greed?

 

So many other questions, so many answers!

 

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@dsmooth16; thanks for the link

 

Proof there is an Antagonist in the three.

 

this

Can you name sources?

[copfire]

In my guess somethings going to go wrong like in Resivor Dogs, And in the end it would be a standoff between the three characters. I would very much like that, but it does seem a little too far fetched

[CRRPGMykael]

It's been confirmed already that Trevor will be the one.

[Mrthingus]

It's been confirmed already that Trevor will be the one.

I don't remember reading anything that confirmed Trevor as the antagonist.

[L.S.P.D.]

If I had to choose I would go with Trevor but I hope none of them turns

[Patriot_Action]

After reading the apparent "source" of this theory, I'm backpeddling from my earlier post. People are taking things way out of context and trying to create something that isn't there. This idea of one character "turning" on the others is ridiculous.

Edited May 26, 2013 by Patriot_Action

[Revolution-XW]

That.

[kesta195]

This idea of one character "turning" on the others is ridiculous.

How is it? Betrayal has been a massive part of every R* game.