Xbox One's Pre-Owned Plan: Why this is a Serious

[reform]

Nothing stops you from selling on used games just as you did in the past.

But it stops you buying used games as you did in the past. You would have to pay the publisher for a game that they have already sold - which leads to a potentially infinite amount of revenue from the sale of one game.

Yeah I know, check my last paragraph.

[LittleBlueTroll]

The reason i buy preowned, is usually you can pick up a preowned game for half the price of it new. And even when the game is brand new, it is still slightly cheaper. However my reason behind buying preowned is not about money, its about saving money on buying something I'm not even sure i will like yet.

 

For example Hitman Absolution, i had never played a Hitman game and i bought it preowned for £10, and it payed off because i loved it. But i bought Gear Of War 2 preowned for only £5, and hated it. But at least i hadn't lost any real money. Its like when you go into a restaurant with your girlfriend and you both order your food, if you saw what your girlfriend had looked delicious you would ask her to try a bit before buying it in full.

 

So if Microsoft plan on killing off the second hand market, then good decent demos need to be made for ALL games. You can read as many reviews and watch as many videos on the game as you like, but you wont know until you play it if its your cup f tea.

 

The most annoying thing of all is, if i buy a game preowned in a franchise i have never played before, if i like it i will be the next installments new anyway. But by killing off preowned, chances are me and millions of others, won't even try the games.

 

Microsoft is not about greed. It's about innovation and fairness. -Bill Gates

Stick that up your ass Bill.

 

 

[Killerdude]

If I resell a Can of Coke, Coke Cola doesn't get anymore money, Why should Micrsoft?

 

 

I know my next Console purchase...

 

[meson1]

 

If I resell a Can of Coke, Coke Cola doesn't get any more money.

This is not a valid analogy.

 

If you buy a can of coke and resell it before consuming it, you haven't used it. That's a bit like buying your new game, NOT installing, registering and activating it and then reselling the unregistered game.

 

If you buy a can of coke and consume it, there is nothing to resell other than an empty can. There is no equivalent to this with a game, so it's not a valid analogy.

[Otter]

There is a larger argument to be made here about the nature of a "used" game. Back when games were very much tied to physical media, this made a lot of sense: used games were used, manuals thoroughly thumbed through, cartridges snicked and smudged, some savegames already included. It was all there and the ball was in your court.

 

Now, essentially what we're talking about selling is a license - and I do, very much, think these should be transferable, at least once, without a kickback to the publishers. And it wouldn't be hard to implement it. Policing it, however, would be an incredible burden. And I don't see any way you could argue that they have a legal responsibility to.

 

However, that may be exactly what they're planning to do. We just don't know at this point. I guess you can take the OP's thoughts to heart and put your money where your mouth is - supporting a system that does it right.

[Jevon]

I don't think this has already been covered:

 

There has been a lot of discussion about "games installed and tied to your account cannot be resold easily", but what has had less attention was that (I think) Microsoft said it's down to the publisher just how restrictive they want to be. Assuming that is the case, it might be that the option will exist for the current way of doing things to continue; i.e. install game onto HDD, but not tie it to XBL account and continue to require the disc to be in the BD drive to play the game.

 

What leads me to believe this might be an option is that otherwise you require people to have internet access to register a [new] game before they can play it at all (if only briefly). Despite the near-utility status of [broadband] internet access, I suspect there are a significant proportion of consoles that are rarely, if ever, connected (just remember the furore last month).

[Bobbin100]

If I resell a Can of Coke, Coke Cola doesn't get any more money.

This is not a valid analogy.

 

If you buy a can of coke and resell it before consuming it, you haven't used it. That's a bit like buying your new game, NOT installing, registering and activating it and then reselling the unregistered game.

 

If you buy a can of coke and consume it, there is nothing to resell other than an empty can. There is no equivalent to this with a game, so it's not a valid analogy.

Selling a second hand car is a valid analogy.

[twinkiller]

Im a playstation guy and I hope to God that Sony doesn't do something like this. But I don't think we can do anything to stop it. To me gaming is becoming more of a pain in the ass and less fun than it used to be. But I think another industry crash will eventually happen and hopefully set these greedy corperate heads straight. That's my 2 cents

[Gtaghost22]

 

If Sony goes this way with the PS4, you can bet my ass that I'm finally gonna make the jump to the PC for my main gaming platform.

Yep.

I will not buy a console that restricts me from selling and trading my old games whenever and however I feel like it. Forcing people to pay a fee to try games thier friends gave them is just f*cking ridiculous in my opinion.

[wannaslide]

i think I read somewhere that f you remove the game from your xbl account ,then it can be resold easy without the new owner paying the fee when they install it on their console .Can anyone confirm this ? I don't know why this bothers everyone so much ,imo if you're worried about not being able to buy used games then chances are you won't be able to afford a $800 console to begin with .So I don't see why you have any dramas .

[ll rdny ll]

Just thought I'd drop this here

 

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/4362680/x...ecks-used-games

 

[agent17]

>Always online

 

Because that has worked so well in the past.

[ll rdny ll]

>Always online

 

Because that has worked so well in the past.

The point is, there is no charge for used games. Which is what this topic was about. I realize that haters are going to hate, and they're always going to find a reason to hate, but this topic isnt about all those other things, its about the used game fee, which doesn't exist.

[reform]

 

Just thought I'd drop this here

 

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/4362680/x...ecks-used-games

This is what I suggested they should do a page or so back.

 

I'll certainly respect MS a lot more if this is true, and it would also be enough to more or less comepletely repair the damage that they've done ot themselves with that shambles of a reveal.

[Fireman]

 

Just thought I'd drop this here

 

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/4362680/x...ecks-used-games

This is what I suggested they should do a page or so back.

 

I'll certainly respect MS a lot more if this is true, and it would also be enough to more or less comepletely repair the damage that they've done ot themselves with that shambles of a reveal.

It sounds a lot more like something they didn't intend to change but because of all the negative criticism they decided to alter the truth for now (and maybe adapt the Xbox One to it later).

 

 

When a person sells the game or it is installed and played on another system, the game is deauthenticated on the original machine until the disc is brought back and used to re-authenticate the installation.

 

Basically the game is "uninstalled" when you loan someone else your disc. Sounds like a good plan, now they just have to make it work and they still haven't said anything about fees.

 

 

The point is, there is no charge for used games. Which is what this topic was about.

 

Did you read the article? They didn't mention the fees once, all they said is that you could still trade 2nd-hand games!

 

but didn't say whether fees will be required.

 

Edited May 27, 2013 by Fireman

[DODI3OG]

I wouldn't mind if the PS4 won't allow used games. This is at least, in my part; my opinion.

It's because I buy games digitally because my country lacks western video game stores and ordering from outside my country doubles the price.

[reform]

 

 

 

The point is, there is no charge for used games. Which is what this topic was about.

 

Did you read the article? They didn't mention the fees once, all they said is that you could still trade 2nd-hand games!

... What article were you reading?

• "Xbox One games will require regular authentication checks, used games won't have a fee"
• "The Xbox One will not require gamers to pay a fee to reactivate a used game, but it will require a regular online spot check to verify the authenticity of games being played, according to sources familiar with the system."
• "sources also said that there are no plans to charge gamers a fee to sell or reactivate a used game."

[Fireman]

 

 

 

The point is, there is no charge for used games. Which is what this topic was about.

 

Did you read the article? They didn't mention the fees once, all they said is that you could still trade 2nd-hand games!

... What article were you reading?

 

 

 

 

"Xbox One games will require regular authentication checks, used games won't have a fee"

 

 

 

 

"The Xbox One will not require gamers to pay a fee to reactivate a used game, but it will require a regular online spot check to verify the authenticity of games being played, according to sources familiar with the system."

 

 

 

 

"sources also said that there are no plans to charge gamers a fee to sell or reactivate a used game."

 

 

 

 

To reactivate a used game on their own account, yes. To sell a game to someone else, yes.

 

It's not mentioned anywhere that the other person who gets the game and has to install it/activate for the first time, doesn't have to pay a fee.

 

Also those sources, while the officials haven't said anything about fees:

 

 

Earlier today, Microsoft's Larry Hryb touched on the topic of used games on his blog, but didn't say whether fees will be required.

 

Ofcourse they're trying to reduce the amount of criticism by avoiding talking about it.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Fireman

[JOSEPH X]

Jim is on a roll...this is a must watch for anyone who cares about video games

 

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/vie...Kill-Used-Games

[Swe78]

Microsoft and EA are evil. Are Sony? Let's wait and see. For the moment I'm planing to buy a Wii U and I hope a PS4..but thats up to Sony.

[corvettelover]

Microsoft and EA are evil. Are Sony? Let's wait and see. For the moment I'm planing to buy a Wii U and I hope a PS4..but thats up to Sony.

I didn't read the article at the top of the page you guys are talling about, but why is EA evil? Pertaining to used games, they dropped the online pass not long ago, just incase you missed that.

[Bobbin100]

Japan has the biggest used game market. I doubt Sony will follow Microsoft's route because I think most of the Japanese won't be too happy about this.

[JOSEPH X]

Microsoft and EA are evil. Are Sony? Let's wait and see. For the moment I'm planing to buy a Wii U and I hope a PS4..but thats up to Sony.

I didn't read the article at the top of the page you guys are talling about, but why is EA evil? Pertaining to used games, they dropped the online pass not long ago, just incase you missed that.

They dropped the online pass because they knew what microsoft's policy for used games would be.