3 Characters and not one of them female?

[Vice Beach]

LMAO at people who say they only want to play as a girl "so they don't have to stare at a man's ass the whole time" like how sexually insecure can you get bro. That is one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard.

 

This guy was getting mouthy to me on xbox live and I noticed he had a female character and when I questioned him he said "cause I'm not gay and don't want to stare at a guy's ass when I play" and I told him he was really going too far out of his way to prove his heterosexuality that it looks questionable. I pretty much broke down the reasons that leans towards him not being comfortable in his own skin and if given the opportunity under perfect circumstances he would either out himself as a homosexual or explore the idea of becoming transgendered. I was pretty drunk that night but I really nailed it and philosophically blew his mind then I passed out

[The New Blueguy]

V didn't include multiple protags so they could expand their diversity appeal.  They included multiple characters for a new level of immersion into the story, introduce a variety in personalities, replay-value, etc.  Therefore, the fact that there are 3 characters is irrelevant on the subject matter of diversity in gender.

 

 

In general, GTA accurately depicts the criminal landscape of the United States by not having female protagonists.  If this was about the Latin American cartels and what not, then maybe it would be a different story.  Even then, Latin American cartels have only a sprinkling of prominent female crime bosses.  Females seldom become career criminals outside of the realm of white-collar crime.  This is especially the case with organized crime.  Maybe  eventually we'll see one though.

I... I'm sorry but I never heard more misinformed BS, while trying to sound articulate in my life. While I can agree with some of the themes of your post, you are clearly misinformed. Just because we don't hear much about women in the United States committing violent and heinous acts all that often, that doesn't mean its the stuff movie legend and feminist fantasy. As some one already posted here in this thread, look up Aileen Wurnos and come back again with this type of argument.

 

Besides that, your not so subtle suggestion that violent females boil down to simply the crazy latina, has to be the biggest logic hole I have ever heard of when discussing women and violence. Not only is it ludicrous but also slightly racist. Also, while the trend may be that females tend to be less likely to venture outside of white collar crimes, they have happened. There was actually a study referenced in A&E's special on Aileen Wurnos just before the biopic, 'Monster', had released which more or less alluded to women being more prone to crimes of passion than men in that they lead a lot of times with their emotions and can be unpredictable. Just like, dare I say... Trevor?

 

So honestly, before you jump on here trying to protect your pseudo male power fantasy while under the guise of sounding well-read, why don't you do some research?

@ TheNewBlueGuy

 

You are talking some serious bullsh*t.

 

Canttakemyid did not say that females do not commit very violent and heinous crimes. He's just saying that they are less prone to doing so on a regular basis, especially within the context of organized crime, especially in the United States. It's very rare to hear of women in the States getting heavily involved in gangs/organized crime and rising to such high ranking positions within gangs/organized crime. Yes there are female gang members, but most of the time they are just affiliated or they only play a peripheral part of the gang's activities. He also cited Latina women as an example for the few cases of very violent female gangsters, because that is really all there is to look to. Griselda Blanco, the now deceased former Colombian drug baroness is probably the only female crime boss that reach to such a high level of notoriety and power in the USA in modern times. There have also been smaller instances of women in Hispanic drug cartels having some degree of control. It is not that common to see this among African-American and Caucasian women, hence why he referred to Latinas. It's not racist, it's what it is as the facts show.

 

And look at the woman you brought up to prove your point, you've lost your way already. Aileen Wurnos is a serial killer and not a gangster or drug dealer. The subject is about females in organized crime, not female serial killers. Sorry, that is a bullsh*t example. We know some females can turn crazy in an instant in certain situations and become cold-blooded killers, but that is not the argument here and we don't need you to tell us this. Females are highly unlikely to be career criminals, especially in the form of a gangster - you just don't really hear often of female enforcers, hitwomen, drug cartel bosses, mafia bosses, it's just not common, it's very rare.

 

So please, stop talking so much rubbish.

I never said that he said they don't commit those crimes. I said he was misinformed as to how often they happen. Also, I'd argue that the rarity of such a case is irrelevant. The norm tends to be in mass media that if it doesn't happen often enough to a certain, then it more or less never happens. The thing is, even one instance of inspiration is enough. I'd also like to note that the reason I specifically mentioned Aileen Wurnos or in my case being Canadian, Karla Hamolka, was simply to illustrate that violent females can and do exist to the extremes of a Catalina, Elizabetha or even Trevor level of real life intensity. I made no claim whatsoever about females in organized crime especially because I don't believe GTA has really even focused on organized crime since GTA3 and even as heavy an influence as it was on previous games, it was still only a part of the story and could have absolutely nothing to do with shaping such a character.

 

Also, while you may be correct in regards to Latin women being more prominent in organized crime, my point still stands that violent females are everywhere, of every colour, creed or class. So while I didn't call cant a full blown racist, I still standby that he's stereotyping heavily. A large part of the problem with a majority of GTA fans, is their disdain for lack of change. First it was, resistance to playing as anyone that didn't look like an extra from the Godfather, and now this. Simply put, violence is everywhere and can effect anyone so I really don't see the harm or controversy in illustrating another side of that other than "true" GTA fans being thrown for a loop. I mean joking or not, look at the types of comments in these threads. It's sadder when you realize that behind the crude remarks of a keyboard warrior jokingly defending his pastime, there are some of these guys that actually buy into this mentality that's keeps gaming as a whole where it is.

[Official General]

 

Yes. Because staring at a man's ass as he runs around is much better than playing as a woman. And taking said man shopping, even more manlier.

 

The idea that a female protag has no place in the GTA universe is idiotic. Especially when you think that a female Antag actually re-started the entire series. Or do none of you remember part 3?

 

God forbid there be a bad arse woman in GTA. Not again. fools.

Well if you see playing as a male protagonist in GTA as "staring at a man's ass", then you really should not play the game. That does not come into my head when I play GTA, and it should the same for anyone who plays GTA - unless you have gay tendencies (if you do, say so now, and that will help me understand your comment much better).

 

Of course a female protagonist can be done in GTA, nobody said that it could not. The point being made here is that a female protagonist is not suited to a game like GTA, it is just not believable and likely a scenario.

 

Yeah a female antagonist re-started the GTA series yes, but like, so what ? She still not a protagonist.

So you're saying that a female like Catlina can head the largest mob in Ny, but only if you can't control her? And the comment about watching men's ass was my way of showing you how ridiculous most are being over this. If you're not black, are you not going to play as Franklin? If you're not balding, will you not play as Trevor? If you're not old and italian, you won't play as Michael? So why would a female protag bother you? How can you dare say that they don't fit with what GTA does, when this one woman character has been a huge part of not just one GTA game, but TWO.

 

It can be done, it should be done.

 

And remember, just because you don't want something, doesn't mean it makes sense. It just makes sense TO YOU.

How dare I say it ? I'll say it again in block capital letters. A FEMALE PROTAGONIST IS NOT SUITED TO A GAME LIKE GTA.

 

No your comment about men's ass was a downright stupid attempt at trying to be smart and funny. I for the last time thicko, I never said that a female protagonist could not be done, I said it is not suited to a GTA game.

 

Well there is no female protagonist in GTA V, so and cry in a ilttle corner somewhere.

 

@ BrianJohnsonsBrotherCarl

 

Exactly, he just doesn't realize what a fool he is for saying such nonsense

 

He's probably insecure and secretly gay to go to such lengths to prove he "does not want to stare at a man's ass".

Edited May 21, 2013 by Official General

[Official General]

 

I made no claim whatsoever about females in organized crime especially because I don't believe GTA has really even focused on organized crime since GTA3 and even as heavy an influence as it was on previous games, it was still only a part of the story and could have absolutely nothing to do with shaping such a character.

 

 

I cannot even take your comments seriously after reading this quote. The bullsh*t that comes out of your mouth is supreme. You really just don't know what the f**k you are talking about.

 

Go and learn some more about GTA and then come back when you are ready for a serious discussion.

[reform]

The old female protag discussion again eh?

 

I'd be totally fine with a female protagonist, especially as it seems GTA may not stick with just one protag in future. I actually hope they do include one in the near future.

 

But R* aren't likely to have their first (non-2d) female player character be a steriotypical hottie. I think R* expect more of themsleves. The character has to be one that people will still be able to get into, without resorting to cheap sexualised trites.

 

It's a tricky task to pull off good female characters (even in films and TV) but it's totally possible, and I hope R* make it happen in GTA some day.

[Chukkles]

Trevor could have been a real skeezy chic that's up for anything.

*I'm picturing the chic that robs the diner with Tim Roth in Pulp Fiction.*

[Boss7dm]

Agreed....Now.

 

Before i always thinking play as woman in Gta is a really stupid idea but now i see, remember Catalina in GTA 3 , i love play with a girl like her in this game.

[junkpile]

Okay, I like Rockstar and how they push the limits. However, I believe that by having 3 main characters and not ONE of them female just shows how Rockstar dropped the ball on this one.

 

Normally developers/publishers use the excuse that their core fanbase is male so they believe that they would identify more with a male over a female character. Well that excuse doesn't fly here as there are 3 characters. Two of them could have been male and the other could have been female.

 

Am I wrong for thinking this?

Who knows. Maybe we'll end up having Episodes from Los Santos playing as Amanda.

GTA VI...maybe. Rockstar can go in a whole 'nother direction.

 

[GTAforthe21thcentury]

Op please tell me why I would want as some c-unit.

[dp415263]

Okay, I like Rockstar and how they push the limits. However, I believe that by having 3 main characters and not ONE of them female just shows how Rockstar dropped the ball on this one.

 

Normally developers/publishers use the excuse that their core fanbase is male so they believe that they would identify more with a male over a female character. Well that excuse doesn't fly here as there are 3 characters. Two of them could have been male and the other could have been female.

 

Am I wrong for thinking this?

GTA doesn't need a girl female character.

Personally I can't see females doing this kind of stuff robbing banks, being in gangs, etc...

[killahmatic]

I believe that by having 3 main characters and not ONE of them female just shows how Rockstar dropped the ball on this one.

 

That alone shows this is no more than an attack post.

 

Get over it.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

Maybe a femme fatale type character would've be nice. She distracts people at the banks and stores. If attractive, she could also penetrate social circles like no other. It would crucial skill set to have social prowess and charisma in a group of bank robbers trying to blend in.

 

 

An attractive female can get you access to the most powerful men in the world theoretically. So imagine using her to set up a crime boss or something. GTA should definitely do it one day come to think of it.

Edited May 21, 2013 by canttakemyid

[dontdieb4september]

How about no and you stop trying to ruin the best game ever with feminist bullsh*t.

 

Who gives a flying f*ck if there is no female character, Its because most women wont fit the role that the characters in gta games require.

 

Pussies trying to make every single person equal are destroying the world.

[Quartz_East]

The problem I have with female protagonists in action-based games is simple:

 

A female badass is possible, a female badass who fits the mainstream standards of physical attractiveness looks ridiculous.

 

How many games featured badass female protagonists with masculine physical features and a tomboyish personality? How many players would be open to this character archetype?

You probably haven't worked in real-life emergency services, then. In college, I joined a student-run volunteer ambulance corps, and there were a lot -- and I mean near-majority lot -- of young women who could easily lift more than I could, and I'm by no means weak haha, and still maintained "mainstream standards" of attractiveness, and were just as badass as their male counterparts, and many were not tomboyish.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

V didn't include multiple protags so they could expand their diversity appeal.  They included multiple characters for a new level of immersion into the story, introduce a variety in personalities, replay-value, etc.  Therefore, the fact that there are 3 characters is irrelevant on the subject matter of diversity in gender.

 

 

In general, GTA accurately depicts the criminal landscape of the United States by not having female protagonists.  If this was about the Latin American cartels and what not, then maybe it would be a different story.  Even then, Latin American cartels have only a sprinkling of prominent female crime bosses.  Females seldom become career criminals outside of the realm of white-collar crime.  This is especially the case with organized crime.  Maybe  eventually we'll see one though.

I... I'm sorry but I never heard more misinformed BS, while trying to sound articulate in my life. While I can agree with some of the themes of your post, you are clearly misinformed. Just because we don't hear much about women in the United States committing violent and heinous acts all that often, that doesn't mean its the stuff movie legend and feminist fantasy. As some one already posted here in this thread, look up Aileen Wurnos and come back again with this type of argument.

 

Besides that, your not so subtle suggestion that violent females boil down to simply the crazy latina, has to be the biggest logic hole I have ever heard of when discussing women and violence. Not only is it ludicrous but also slightly racist. Also, while the trend may be that females tend to be less likely to venture outside of white collar crimes, they have happened. There was actually a study referenced in A&E's special on Aileen Wurnos just before the biopic, 'Monster', had released which more or less alluded to women being more prone to crimes of passion than men in that they lead a lot of times with their emotions and can be unpredictable. Just like, dare I say... Trevor?

 

So honestly, before you jump on here trying to protect your pseudo male power fantasy while under the guise of sounding well-read, why don't you do some research?

What? Simmer down. Your throwing around conjecture and assumptions about my views just to have some substance to argue against. I'm neither sexist nor racist.

 

The only reason I was referring to Latina female crime bosses is because the Griselda Blanco-esque personalities are the most GTA-like of the prominent female criminals. Violence and craziness has to be accompanied with criminal ambition. This is GTA! Not anthropology 101. Violent female crime bosses are big in the media right now as women are starting take significant roles in the male-dominated drug trafficking industry. Ever seen the documentary Cocaine Cowboys 1 & 2? That's the type of character I was pulling for. I never said anything about females struggling to commit crimes beyond the crazy Latina stereotype.

 

Aileen Wurnos?...just another "crazy bitch". We have Trevor for that. Plus he has that ex-military element to add some credibility to "armed and dangerous". If you want a fun female character to play as, look up the story of Griselda Blanco. She was actually special. Any HS dropout whore can become a prostitute and kill random men like that Wurnos chick.

 

If anything, it seems like you were itching to give some sort of anthropological lesson on gender bias...saw my post, and said "this will do".

 

 

Edit:

Yes I'm stereotyping heavily; but it's not even based in subtle racism. It doesn't have to be a Latina. However, the drug war in Mexico seems like the biggest bait for R* to run with if they would want to nail a character (though Griselda was Colombian). The Hispanic male-dominated drug trafficking industry here in America wouldn't take a white, black, or Asian female seriously at all. I too would like to see R* deviate from the obvious bait. After all, I love what Tarantino did with O-Ren Ishii. She's one of my favorite villians of all time.

 

@Official General Thanks for seeing things from my perspective

Edited May 21, 2013 by canttakemyid

[JamalG]

i think R* also dropped the ball on not having transgender protagonist with cancer or hiv

 

and how come one of the aint native american?!

 

and why GTA is set in USA and not other countries?!

 

discrimination!!!

 

i suggest we ignore GTA V when it comes out and any other releases from those nazi's until they get everything right as in a democratic liberal society should

 

R* never drops the ball, bitch

[jeri]

rockstar should have added atleast one (1) transsex protagonist

[SuperCrayon]

Okay, I like Rockstar and how they push the limits. However, I believe that by having 3 main characters and not ONE of them female just shows how Rockstar dropped the ball on this one.

 

Normally developers/publishers use the excuse that their core fanbase is male so they believe that they would identify more with a male over a female character. Well that excuse doesn't fly here as there are 3 characters. Two of them could have been male and the other could have been female.

 

Am I wrong for thinking this?

I hate people like you. You only want a female just to fill a niche, where as rockstar have chosen the people they chose for the story. You just want to check the boxes of things to be PC. f*ck off you liberal sh*t lord. Thankfully R* doesn't listen to people like you, and it shows.

[grandthefthoughto]

just saying... i still feel a female police officer could be a way to go... avoids the fact that women are less likely to commit violent crime etc... and could lend a whole new spin on the GTA experience (mission failures for civilian deaths etc...)

[gta076]

I gotta agree a little. I LOVE all three characters we get, but this would have been the PERFECT chance for R* to experiment with a female lead. If players didnt like it, they could just switch to the other 2. If they did, awesome! But there is always DLC, and if R* is so adventurous now, I imagine they'll be just as adventurous with DLC.

[MuffinCapBackBlue]

hmm i see Kirsty has not locked this topic yet, maybe she can put her two cents in

[JimJones]

Well if you see playing as a male protagonist in GTA as "staring at a man's ass", then you really should not play the game.

lmao

[Cheatz/Trickz]

Female protagonists don't suit GTA or any other game like it. Firstly, GTA is a rough game, and the protagonist has to be a tough guy (no homo) because he is in this tough world and dealing with cops and gangs. Men are stronger and more aggressive naturally so it would look weird if a woman tried to hi-jack, say, a biker like Johnny, it just wouldn't happen and wouldn't be believable.

 

The only way a woman would work as a protag is if she was like Elizabeta (Ugly and butch, likes guns). That said, Rockstar could probably pull it off and make her fun to play as, but it's still unlikely. Any other woman would not stand a chance against.

 

Otherwise, if she was attractive, she would have to be some kind of ex-forces girl who could fight so as to be able to handle herself. But still she wouldn't be very likeable despite her looks when she smacks someone in the face with a dildo.

[TheKrigeron]

Why do people seem to think that since there are three protagonists they HAD TO include minorities, females and all that. No they don't have to, and they didn't drop no ball on this one. There's no mexican protagonist, or female protagonist as that's not the story they came up with. Doing it differently would be forced and would ruin it.

 

And someone already mentioned it, a female protagonist would have to be realistic, not Lara Croft big titties model who beats up pedestrians and carjacks  them. She would have to look and behave in a believable manner, and 99 % of those who want a female protagonist, would dislike such a protagonist.

Exactly. Why are you even arguing this. When the main character of a movie is a male (ex: Frodo in [Lord of the Rings]). Should we have to debate how good the movies would be if he would be a female … no.

 

We should just accept these games as a creation of a group of artists and leave it at that. They have a story in mind from conception to creation that they want to follow. Who wants to hear a bunch of crap like … "Tony Montana should've been a woman" or something. Same here with GTA.

Frodo is a male? WHAAAAAA-

 

[twistedweather]

this thread blows jus like a female protagonist would my wang if I was playing as Trevor/Michael/Franklin.....JOKING!!!

 

IMO

this is a game not a gender equality issue, lets leave politics out.... a girl protagonist worked in Resident Evil but its jus not the same as GTA

 

GTA is supposed to be biting sarcasm dealing with stereotypes. Sure Rockstar could come up with a good one but I for one am not interested playing as a female. Anybody else demanding a female main character here?

I would also dare to say 80% of GTA fans are male

 

rather have a crazy badass gay character than a female

 

FACT

all gay people aren't flamboyant some are very tough... There are United States Marines fighting in wars that are gay, don't dare call them fa**ots prolly get your ass kicked

Edited May 21, 2013 by twistedweather

[beaver guy]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

Have you heard of a movie called spring breakers. if not watch it.

[beaver guy]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

have you heard of a movie called spring breakers.if not watch it.

[dontdieb4september]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

have you heard of a movie called spring breakers.if not watch it.

Howard the duck could play guitar, Didnt make it real.

[beaver guy]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

have you heard of a movie called spring breakers.if not watch it.

Howard the duck could play guitar, Didnt make it real.

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[ultrabowser]

Agreed.

 

DLC?