3 Characters and not one of them female?

[Big_Mitch_Baker]

Seriously?

 

First of all, the majority of criminals have no respect for women, so having a women GTA protag would mean having people punch you in the face when you try to jack their cars. Franklin and Trevor would pretend to listen while looking at your tits. Secondly, the majority of GTA fans don't want to play as a female, as their main demographic is young men. Lastly, female criminals are few and far between; so although it sometimes happens, it's somewhat unrealistic. Call it sexist all you want, it's reality.

[Diesleman]

 

Seriously?

 

First of all, the majority of criminals have no respect for women, so having a women GTA protag would mean having people punch you in the face when you try to jack their cars.  Franklin and Trevor would pretend to listen while looking at your tits.  Secondly, the majority of GTA fans don't want to play as a female, as their main demographic is young men.  Lastly, female criminals are few and far between; so although it sometimes happens, it's somewhat unrealistic.  Call it sexist all you want, it's reality.

When referring to sexists I more meant the blatantly sexists comments, not the fact that people don't want a female protagonist, which as I said I'm with.

 

Fool

 

Also, there have been some ruthless female crims over the years, so go f*ck yourself.

[Official General]

 

V didn't include multiple protags so they could expand their diversity appeal.  They included multiple characters for a new level of immersion into the story, introduce a variety in personalities, replay-value, etc.  Therefore, the fact that there are 3 characters is irrelevant on the subject matter of diversity in gender.

 

 

In general, GTA accurately depicts the criminal landscape of the United States by not having female protagonists.  If this was about the Latin American cartels and what not, then maybe it would be a different story.  Even then, Latin American cartels have only a sprinkling of prominent female crime bosses.  Females seldom become career criminals outside of the realm of white-collar crime.  This is especially the case with organized crime.  Maybe  eventually we'll see one though.

I... I'm sorry but I never heard more misinformed BS, while trying to sound articulate in my life. While I can agree with some of the themes of your post, you are clearly misinformed. Just because we don't hear much about women in the United States committing violent and heinous acts all that often, that doesn't mean its the stuff movie legend and feminist fantasy. As some one already posted here in this thread, look up Aileen Wurnos and come back again with this type of argument.

 

Besides that, your not so subtle suggestion that violent females boil down to simply the crazy latina, has to be the biggest logic hole I have ever heard of when discussing women and violence. Not only is it ludicrous but also slightly racist. Also, while the trend may be that females tend to be less likely to venture outside of white collar crimes, they have happened. There was actually a study referenced in A&E's special on Aileen Wurnos just before the biopic, 'Monster', had released which more or less alluded to women being more prone to crimes of passion than men in that they lead a lot of times with their emotions and can be unpredictable. Just like, dare I say... Trevor?

 

So honestly, before you jump on here trying to protect your pseudo male power fantasy while under the guise of sounding well-read, why don't you do some research?

@ TheNewBlueGuy

 

You are talking some serious bullsh*t.

 

Canttakemyid did not say that females do not commit very violent and heinous crimes. He's just saying that they are less prone to doing so on a regular basis, especially within the context of organized crime, especially in the United States. It's very rare to hear of women in the States getting heavily involved in gangs/organized crime and rising to such high ranking positions within gangs/organized crime. Yes there are female gang members, but most of the time they are just affiliated or they only play a peripheral part of the gang's activities. He also cited Latina women as an example for the few cases of very violent female gangsters, because that is really all there is to look to. Griselda Blanco, the now deceased former Colombian drug baroness is probably the only female crime boss that reach to such a high level of notoriety and power in the USA in modern times. There have also been smaller instances of women in Hispanic drug cartels having some degree of control. It is not that common to see this among African-American and Caucasian women, hence why he referred to Latinas. It's not racist, it's what it is as the facts show.

 

And look at the woman you brought up to prove your point, you've lost your way already. Aileen Wurnos is a serial killer and not a gangster or drug dealer. The subject is about females in organized crime, not female serial killers. Sorry, that is a bullsh*t example. We know some females can turn crazy in an instant in certain situations and become cold-blooded killers, but that is not the argument here and we don't need you to tell us this. Females are highly unlikely to be career criminals, especially in the form of a gangster - you just don't really hear often of female enforcers, hitwomen, drug cartel bosses, mafia bosses, it's just not common, it's very rare.

 

So please, stop talking so much rubbish.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Official General

[A5R]

But then how will we drive cars if we're playing as a woman??

[Polish_Trucker]

But then how will we drive cars if we're playing as a woman??

I don't know but this would be fun!! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJi2on1_6D4

[Diesleman]

But then how will we drive cars if we're playing as a woman??

While I concede that males on average are superior drivers to females, that doesn't mean there's no females who can drive. Same goes for being a badass crim IMO.

[Algonquin Assassin]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

Lol, what a sexist comment. I guess if it doesn't involve a kitchen or arts and crafts then it doesn't fit a female?

 

To those who say a female wouldn't fit, care to explain how?

He does make a point. I don't mind female protagonists. "Wet" springs to mind as the most recent female leading game I've played, but GTA?

 

Not only would it be odd having two male characters, but the game's centered around heists. I really couldn't see how a female and two males pulling off heists would be believable.

 

I mean of course there are notable female criminals, but I see this as an issue of believability. Think about it like this imagine putting Jason Statham who is well known for his action work into a teen/girl flick like Mean Girls? Sure it's possible, but it would be pretty f*cking stupid and not make a whole lot of sense would it?

[Diesleman]

 

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

Lol, what a sexist comment. I guess if it doesn't involve a kitchen or arts and crafts then it doesn't fit a female?

 

To those who say a female wouldn't fit, care to explain how?

He does make a point. I don't mind female protagonists. "Wet" springs to mind as the most recent female leading game I've played, but GTA?

 

Not only would it be odd having two male characters, but the game's centered around heists. I really couldn't see how a female and two males pulling off heists would be believable.

 

I mean of course there are notable female criminals, but I see this as an issue of believability. Think about it like this imagine putting Jason Statham who is well known for his action work into a teen/girl flick like Mean Girls? Sure it's possible, but it would be pretty f*cking stupid and not make a whole lot of sense would it?

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with everything you just wrote.

 

Except I dont know or care who Jason strath am is

[A5R]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

Lol, what a sexist comment. I guess if it doesn't involve a kitchen or arts and crafts then it doesn't fit a female?

 

To those who say a female wouldn't fit, care to explain how?

He does make a point. I don't mind female protagonists. "Wet" springs to mind as the most recent female leading game I've played, but GTA?

 

Not only would it be odd having two male characters, but the game's centered around heists. I really couldn't see how a female and two males pulling off heists would be believable.

 

I mean of course there are notable female criminals, but I see this as an issue of believability. Think about it like this imagine putting Jason Statham who is well known for his action work into a teen/girl flick like Mean Girls? Sure it's possible, but it would be pretty f*cking stupid and not make a whole lot of sense would it?

Now that's what i'm talking about.

[ALeSsAnDrO]

The sheer amount and diversity of ideas that come through these forums is mind blowing.

 

GTA with a female character?

 

Actually... the very first game had MORE than one female protagonist, if I remember.

But back then that was pretty much irrelevant, it didn't change anything in-game.

 

I think is a pretty stupid idea and would feel very shoe horned, tacky and forced.

GTA has no reason at all to include females because of the player base being composed by 99% young males, because it's unrealistic, and because it's a depiction (even more, an exaggeration) of a criminal universe.

 

Women are there in the GTA world, but they are portrayed and treated, unfortunatelly, just like in today's real world. Mostly either in a sexualized way, or as minor characters.

 

You can call it sexist if you want, but if the character isn't named Michelle Rodriguez, then it doesn't belong in a GTA game.

[Diesleman]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

Lol, what a sexist comment. I guess if it doesn't involve a kitchen or arts and crafts then it doesn't fit a female?

 

To those who say a female wouldn't fit, care to explain how?

He does make a point. I don't mind female protagonists. "Wet" springs to mind as the most recent female leading game I've played, but GTA?

 

Not only would it be odd having two male characters, but the game's centered around heists. I really couldn't see how a female and two males pulling off heists would be believable.

 

I mean of course there are notable female criminals, but I see this as an issue of believability. Think about it like this imagine putting Jason Statham who is well known for his action work into a teen/girl flick like Mean Girls? Sure it's possible, but it would be pretty f*cking stupid and not make a whole lot of sense would it?

Now that's what i'm talking about.

He doesn't actually give any reasons WHY it would not fit, just rants.

 

The reality is that you all don't see it fitting because of pre-conceptions about what 'does and doesn't' fit into a gta game.

 

At the end of the day, if rockstar decided they wanted to do it, they would, and you would enjoy it and eat your words.

[dontdieb4september]

Where is the black transsexual main character.

lol right?

 

This is whats wrong with the modern world. Instead of things being enjoyable or fun they have to be EQUAL on all levels regardless of necessity, to the detriment of everything.

 

The little dear would struggle to pick up the machine gun for starters. Then she would have to take a year off from doing heists because she got pregnant.

[98 in 1]

He doesn't actually give any reasons WHY it would not fit, just rants.

I think you need to re-read MVC's post again.

 

 

He does make a point. I don't mind female protagonists. "Wet" springs to mind as the most recent female leading game I've played, but GTA?

 

Not only would it be odd having two male characters, but the game's centered around heists. I really couldn't see how a female and two males pulling off heists would be believable.

 

I mean of course there are notable female criminals, but I see this as an issue of believability. Think about it like this imagine putting Jason Statham who is well known for his action work into a teen/girl flick like Mean Girls? Sure it's possible, but it would be pretty f*cking stupid and not make a whole lot of sense would it?

 

[AlwaysRight]

Why do people seem to think that since there are three protagonists they HAD TO include minorities, females and all that. No they don't have to, and they didn't drop no ball on this one. There's no mexican protagonist, or female protagonist as that's not the story they came up with. Doing it differently would be forced and would ruin it.

 

And someone already mentioned it, a female protagonist would have to be realistic, not Lara Croft big titties model who beats up pedestrians and carjacks  them. She would have to look and behave in a believable manner, and 99 % of those who want a female protagonist, would dislike such a protagonist.

Exactly. Why are you even arguing this. When the main character of a movie is a male (ex: Frodo in [Lord of the Rings]). Should we have to debate how good the movies would be if he would be a female … no.

 

We should just accept these games as a creation of a group of artists and leave it at that. They have a story in mind from conception to creation that they want to follow. Who wants to hear a bunch of crap like … "Tony Montana should've been a woman" or something. Same here with GTA.

I don't believe anyone has ever said there has/had to be. It was just simply something that some fans would be a nice change of pace in games. Like the same way, CJ being black or Wuzi being Asian was for San Andreas or Chinatown Stories. It was simply something different. Luis being Latino or Niko being Serbian/Bosnian.

 

Just different...

I'm sorry but who asked for a change of pace? I know I didn't the game comes out every once 5yrs for f*cks sake I don't see NBA fans asking for the WNBHAHA League to be added because they need a so called "change of pace" or Madden fans asking for a cheerleading mini game and those 2 games come out every f*cking year.

 

Plus what's with the comparison of non-white American males to women ? Huang Lee was based on the Triads which is all male, CJ was in a parody of the Bloods which is all male, Luis was a bouncer and personal bodyguard which are always male, Niko was an ex war vet from the Serbian military which is all male and the last time i checked just like with everything else the criminal underworld is dominated by men, there's no place for the weak, you can quote all the rape victims gone mad all you want it's not gonna change anything.

[arsenal_fan]

It's more due to the criminal world being sexist than the video gaming community, I mean how many top criminals are female? It would be an incredible small minority and it would be very hard to write a female character into a crime story and make it believable that she can survive and succeed in the criminal world.

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

Lol, what a sexist comment. I guess if it doesn't involve a kitchen or arts and crafts then it doesn't fit a female?

 

To those who say a female wouldn't fit, care to explain how?

He does make a point. I don't mind female protagonists. "Wet" springs to mind as the most recent female leading game I've played, but GTA?

 

Not only would it be odd having two male characters, but the game's centered around heists. I really couldn't see how a female and two males pulling off heists would be believable.

 

I mean of course there are notable female criminals, but I see this as an issue of believability. Think about it like this imagine putting Jason Statham who is well known for his action work into a teen/girl flick like Mean Girls? Sure it's possible, but it would be pretty f*cking stupid and not make a whole lot of sense would it?

Now that's what i'm talking about.

He doesn't actually give any reasons WHY it would not fit, just rants.

 

The reality is that you all don't see it fitting because of pre-conceptions about what 'does and doesn't' fit into a gta game.

 

At the end of the day, if rockstar decided they wanted to do it, they would, and you would enjoy it and eat your words.

Didn't you say you "sort of agree" on the previous page?

 

Since GTA is mostly centred around organised crime it would be quite un-realistic and un-believable. In The Godfather Don Corleone wasn't female, in Scarface Tony wasn't female, The Departed, Casino, Goodfellas and god knows how many more. What do all these movies have in common? Supporting actresses, but none of them are prominent criminals.

 

We're not talking anout female serial killers, but female drug dealers, mafiaoso, contract killers etc are simply too rare and don't have much correlation with the dynamics of a GTA game. Of course we've had them before like Elizabeta, but would she make a good and believable protagonist?

 

For the duties a typical GTA protagonist carries out a female isn't the most viable option. Just having a female for the sake of diversity isn't a good enough reason IMO.

 

I wouldn't oppose to R* making a new I.P with a lead female, but for GTA they should only be in supporting roles.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Miamivicecity

[JOSEPH X]

Rockstar haven't dropped the ball on this, because they never had hold of the ball in the first place.

 

Not only have they never made a female protagonist, they haven't managed to make a female NPC that isn't coming from a perspective of some juvenile who is awkward with women and female personalities. Females in Rockstar games are either needy whiners, whiny bitches, sex objects or any other adolescent boy's image of womanhood - and that goes for every single game they've made.

 

Sorry but they should leave female characters and NPC's to Bioware, Ubisoft and Naughty Dog.

 

 

[BUT THE BENZ]

Okay, I like Rockstar and how they push the limits. However, I believe that by having 3 main characters and not ONE of them female just shows how Rockstar dropped the ball on this one.

 

Normally developers/publishers use the excuse that their core fanbase is male so they believe that they would identify more with a male over a female character. Well that excuse doesn't fly here as there are 3 characters. Two of them could have been male and the other could have been female.

 

Am I wrong for thinking this?

Well...you're not wrong for thinking this but the thought is deeply flawed in many ways. Could you please elaborate on "dropping the ball"?! Cause the way I interpret the saying, having 3 protags in V which is a fusion of 3 or more milestones in gaming history, it's the complete opposite of dropping the ball. Maybe you can be a little more precise there...

 

Also, please tell me how a WOMAN would fit into the heist/story scenario? Like, which character could be replaced by a woman? When has a woman ever called shots or played a role in criminal fiction and when has that come across as authentic, well done or believable? (Aside from Brigitte Nielsen in Beverly Hills Cop II). The answer is practically "never".

 

I might be TOO old skool (certainly not a fan of women in the military and sh*t) but I think women ought to carry out and children and make food, while men are out working and hunting etc....I don't need to see a woman holding a gun, killing people, robbing banks and sh*t - cause that's not how life works. Women just need to spread their legs and steal a fool's heart and they can have ANYTHING in life. Criminal means aren't for them, it's for men. Totally exaggerated, I know, but I think one can see the point here.

[ALeSsAnDrO]

Next GTA title will feature a young nicely dressed lady throwing sh*t at your face that you didn't ask for in the middle of a shootout, just for the hell of it.

Or a teen girl will follow you around while you try to dodge the cops, acting all surprised and babbling incessantly.

 

Because of R*'s true commitment to diversity, acceptance and tolerance™ , selectable characters will be:

 

- guy in wheelchair that isn't a computer expert;

- asian girl that drives like a pro and dropped out of school;

- black guy with a doctorate in philosophy; never lived in a ghetto.

 

Seriously, if there's one franchise that doesn't need this BS, it's GTA.

[Fraizer]

Its a thin fine line, much like racism, and its hard not to step on toes when it comes to issues like this. Sam and Dan Houser have made the game the way they want to, and frankly its not a question we as a community can answer. We didn't write the script, we did not make the characters, we did not do the casting, for that reason we are in no position to even try and answer that question. MajesticJazz, Might I suggest making it a Mouthoff question to Rockstar games and letting them answer the question. [email protected]

[Paves911]

Wow you people are so easy to bait. You will fall for the most obvious troll topics possible... Don't feed the trolls please

[Diesleman]

Because a GTA female character wouldn't really fit. Do you see women robbing banks in films, hijacking cars and killing everyone on the street? It's not like a woman to do that, because most violent stuff like that in films have been done by men, and now everyone believes it.

Lol, what a sexist comment. I guess if it doesn't involve a kitchen or arts and crafts then it doesn't fit a female?

 

To those who say a female wouldn't fit, care to explain how?

He does make a point. I don't mind female protagonists. "Wet" springs to mind as the most recent female leading game I've played, but GTA?

 

Not only would it be odd having two male characters, but the game's centered around heists. I really couldn't see how a female and two males pulling off heists would be believable.

 

I mean of course there are notable female criminals, but I see this as an issue of believability. Think about it like this imagine putting Jason Statham who is well known for his action work into a teen/girl flick like Mean Girls? Sure it's possible, but it would be pretty f*cking stupid and not make a whole lot of sense would it?

Now that's what i'm talking about.

He doesn't actually give any reasons WHY it would not fit, just rants.

 

The reality is that you all don't see it fitting because of pre-conceptions about what 'does and doesn't' fit into a gta game.

 

At the end of the day, if rockstar decided they wanted to do it, they would, and you would enjoy it and eat your words.

Didn't you say you "sort of agree" on the previous page?

 

Since GTA is mostly centred around organised crime it would be quite un-realistic and un-believable. In The Godfather Don Corleone wasn't female, in Scarface Tony wasn't female, The Departed, Casino, Goodfellas and god knows how many more. What do all these movies have in common? Supporting actresses, but none of them are prominent criminals.

 

We're not talking anout female serial killers, but female drug dealers, mafiaoso, contract killers etc are simply too rare and don't have much correlation with the dynamics of a GTA game. Of course we've had them before like Elizabeta, but would she make a good and believable protagonist?

 

For the duties a typical GTA protagonist carries out a female isn't the most viable option. Just having a female for the sake of diversity isn't a good enough reason IMO.

 

I wouldn't oppose to R* making a new I.P with a lead female, but for GTA they should only be in supporting roles.

I do sort of agree because of my own per conceptions, and just for the book I NEVER said they SHOULD do it for any reason. But when I think about it, I believe it could be viable.

[Official General]

 

Plus what's with the comparison of non-white American males to women ? Huang Lee was based on the Triads which is all male, CJ was in a parody of the Bloods which is all male, Luis was a bouncer and personal bodyguard which are always male, Niko was an ex war vet from the Serbian military which is all male and the last time i checked just like with everything else the criminal underworld is dominated by men, there's no place for the weak, you can quote all the rape victims gone mad all you want it's not gonna change anything.

This. And again THIS

 

Why some people make such stupid and irrelevant comparisons I will never know. Trying to act like they are embracing equality, diversity and inclusion, but yet they come up with such bullsh*t comments and sound so silly. I really don't get what ethnicity has to do with the pro-female protagonist argument.

 

No matter what color or race the protagonist is, GTA is suited for a male protagonist end of. Some people in here really need sense bashed into their skulls.

 

And by the way, I'm Black before anyone wonders.

[MARKUS.]

Well you have the multiplayer character on the character selection wheel. I don't know if you can play with it offline. But you can play with a girl if you want. I always play with a sexy girl in Max Payne 3. It's harder to shoot at girls than boys

[BeardedxMic]

Yes. Because staring at a man's ass as he runs around is much better than playing as a woman. And taking said man shopping, even more manlier.

 

The idea that a female protag has no place in the GTA universe is idiotic. Especially when you think that a female Antag actually re-started the entire series. Or do none of you remember part 3?

 

God forbid there be a bad arse woman in GTA. Not again. fools.

[Official General]

Yes. Because staring at a man's ass as he runs around is much better than playing as a woman. And taking said man shopping, even more manlier.

 

The idea that a female protag has no place in the GTA universe is idiotic. Especially when you think that a female Antag actually re-started the entire series. Or do none of you remember part 3?

 

God forbid there be a bad arse woman in GTA. Not again. fools.

Well if you see playing as a male protagonist in GTA as "staring at a man's ass", then you really should not play the game. That does not come into my head when I play GTA, and it should the same for anyone who plays GTA - unless you have gay tendencies (if you do, say so now, and that will help me understand your comment much better).

 

Of course a female protagonist can be done in GTA, nobody said that it could not. The point being made here is that a female protagonist is not suited to a game like GTA, it is just not believable and likely a scenario.

 

Yeah a female antagonist re-started the GTA series yes, but like, so what ? She still not a protagonist.

[BeardedxMic]

Yes. Because staring at a man's ass as he runs around is much better than playing as a woman. And taking said man shopping, even more manlier.

 

The idea that a female protag has no place in the GTA universe is idiotic. Especially when you think that a female Antag actually re-started the entire series. Or do none of you remember part 3?

 

God forbid there be a bad arse woman in GTA. Not again. fools.

Well if you see playing as a male protagonist in GTA as "staring at a man's ass", then you really should not play the game. That does not come into my head when I play GTA, and it should the same for anyone who plays GTA - unless you have gay tendencies (if you do, say so now, and that will help me understand your comment much better).

 

Of course a female protagonist can be done in GTA, nobody said that it could not. The point being made here is that a female protagonist is not suited to a game like GTA, it is just not believable and likely a scenario.

 

Yeah a female antagonist re-started the GTA series yes, but like, so what ? She still not a protagonist.

So you're saying that a female like Catlina can head the largest mob in Ny, but only if you can't control her? And the comment about watching men's ass was my way of showing you how ridiculous most are being over this. If you're not black, are you not going to play as Franklin? If you're not balding, will you not play as Trevor? If you're not old and italian, you won't play as Michael? So why would a female protag bother you? How can you dare say that they don't fit with what GTA does, when this one woman character has been a huge part of not just one GTA game, but TWO.

 

It can be done, it should be done.

 

And remember, just because you don't want something, doesn't mean it makes sense. It just makes sense TO YOU.

[Masher8559]

Rockstar dropped the ball for not letting us play as a 3ft midget.

[CaptRobau]

Could R* write a good female protagonist? Probably. Should they include a female protagonist, just so that there's a female protagonist? No. I don't see a female protagonist working as a replacement of one the three current characters. We've already got a taste of the group dynamic and I think a female character would not fit in that group dynamic. The group's story is one I'd like to see and hamfisting a woman in there would not work. In the future I can see a female protagonist, but she'd have to be in there from the start with the story being written around here and all the other characters. Then you can explore the differences and similarities between men and women in the underworld. Otherwise it's not worth the effort.

[gsbadreligion]

if anything i would of wanted an asian american protagonist or a mexican protagonist but a woman protagonist...bitch please. hell the only person that seems like they could do all that is that asian chick from rush hour 2 the one that kept kicking chris tucker in the face. could a woman do all that....sure is it super believable.....no. look at all the realism nazis on this forums and now you ask for a woman protagonist even though it almost never happens that a woman is so high up on the food chain without banging the higher ups(not trying to be sexist just being real because obviously you need to hear the truth).