If the EU became one nation, what would be the...

[jimmycakes]

What do you think they're trying to do now? I know the commissars who we don't elect say the state won't get any bigger, but we all know the state just perpetuates itself like any corporation and it will get bigger and eventually they'll say 'hey you know what? Let's just integrate all the countries and put them under one centralized state'. This whole thing started off as a non-binding agreement, generally it all starts off like that because it's easier to gain control without resistance, unless you do it the Stalin way and just send troops in and take a place over.

[Mr. House]

I can smell it in the Air, Somethin will happen soon.

 

Rebellion! and for once, it won't be in Mexico!

 

 

 

I can smell it in the Air, Somethin will happen soon.

 

Rebellion! and for once, it won't be in Mexico!

 

Yeah, you just get that feeling after learning about all this stuff going on in Europe, but the question is when.

 

lmfao. Shut up.

 

Bunch of teenagers on a gtaforum talking about armed rebellion against something that they don't understand is a collection of trade agreements, not a standing state or institution. I'm sure Che Guevara would laugh all the way to hell.

[sivispacem]

 

I can smell it in the Air, Somethin will happen soon.

 

Rebellion! and for once, it won't be in Mexico!

Yeah, you just get that feeling after learning about all this stuff going on in Europe, but the question is when.

 

It's funny how this "collapse of Europe" view has perpetuated itself, in North America mostly, and continued to spread as a concept despite the fact that Europe has entered a period of relative economic and political stability. Rather strange if you ask me, almost as through the American media is determined to find a conspiracy where there isn't one.

 

 

This whole thing started off as a non-binding agreement

Well, that depends largely on how you define where the EU "stared". The Treaty of Rome, which is what most people would argue is the actual start of the EU as an institution, was anything but non-binding.

[Graven]

I've heard of that European Union.

I'm glad Finland is not in Europe.

[Clem Fandango]

It's funny how this "collapse of Europe" view has perpetuated itself, in North America mostly, and continued to spread as a concept despite the fact that Europe has entered a period of relative economic and political stability. Rather strange if you ask me, almost as through the American media is determined to find a conspiracy where there isn't one.

Much more likely: it's an intentional strategy to combat progress by associating "Europe" with decline and instability. Europe's higher standard of living, lower instances of societal violence and higher levels of income equality are usually brought up by the American left in debates about healthcare, economic regulation, gun control and political reform so it makes sense to train the population to believe that everything being proposed has already failed in Europe.

 

Quite ironic, as a lot of commentators think the US will Balkanise in the near future. A Brit and a German have more in common than a Nebraskan and a Californian.

 

[Stephan90]

One thing is for sure. If anyone tries to create the United States of Europe, then it is the politicians ,who try to do it against the will of the peoples of Europe. They are using the economical disaster in the Euro zone. To transfer national competences to not democratic legitimated European institutions like the European Commision and the European Central Bank and also the International Monetary Fund as part of theTroika.

 

French president Francois Hollande proposed a common economical government between France and Germany that also hast a common budget and can make own debts. WIth all respect towards France from my side, but what is his intention?! He gets nothing done right, and the debts of France and the unemployment rate become higher and higher. In my opinion, he only wants to get free money through the common budget and he wants to be able to make debts with lower interest rates because Germany had to vouch for France, instead of doing real reforms, because he is afraid from the unions and workers who have no problem with starting really big protests.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Stephan90

[UtricularEwe001]

"f*ck the EU"

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/06/us-ukraine-russia-eu-victoria-nuland

[Moanah]

I was looking at a few things today on the web about the European Union becoming one nation (the United States of Europe). To be honest, I don't think it will ever happen, just because the differences between the current nations. But my question is, if it does become one nation, would be the capital city and the official language? Also, if you would like to say other things (example: could it be a monarchy, or republic?)

 

My Opinion:

Capital City: Brussels (because of it's influence in NATO and the EU)

Official Language: English (because it's the international language of the world) or possibly have French, German and English as the official languages.

 

What's your thoughts?

Interesting topic

 

From an European point of view (yes I am European) I highly doubt it would ever happen for several reasons:

1) Europe has been in war against each other through the course of its entire history.

2) Countries are too proud - cultural differences - to actually think about giving up their countries. This happens because usually (virtually) every European country was raised out of wars/blood shed

 

Anyway... if that was the case, that a single country would emerge out of the whole EU state members I would say Brussels or Zurich would be the capital. Also, the language would probably be English and Spanish

[Der Süden]

^

Zurich is not even in the EU and Spanish is no big deal in Europe. We're not in the US.

[Acehilm]

I just simply wouldn't see the point if Europe became one nation.

 

Why fix something that isn't broken, ya know? Just leave it be in peace.

[Black & White]

I just simply wouldn't see the point if Europe became one nation.

 

Why fix something that isn't broken, ya know? Just leave it be in peace.

 

I could see the good side of it. Europe would literally have the most power over any country out of the Europe border line.

[Acehilm]

 

 

I just simply wouldn't see the point if Europe became one nation.

 

Why fix something that isn't broken, ya know? Just leave it be in peace.

I could see the good side of it. Europe would literally have the most power over any country out of the Europe border line.

And that's meant to be a good thing? Edited February 8, 2014 by Coat.

[Black & White]

 

 

I just simply wouldn't see the point if Europe became one nation.

 

Why fix something that isn't broken, ya know? Just leave it be in peace.

I could see the good side of it. Europe would literally have the most power over any country out of the Europe border line.

And that's meant to be a good thing?

 

 

Possibly. With Britain and the United States also emerged.. it would be some team. All of the countries could work together fairly, without dictatorship. Wars would be less likely to occur, unless a small minority wanted Europe, Britain, and the US to dissolve. Trading would be superb. Of course I'm living in fiction as I have no idea how the European countries, Britain and the US are coping with each other.

[universetwisters]

What the capital of the EU would be?

Mallaig, Scotland

 

Just for the hell of it.

[I cucked Alex Jones]

It would be called The Holy Roman Empire, with its capitol in Regensburg.

[Acehilm]

 

 

 

 

I just simply wouldn't see the point if Europe became one nation.

 

Why fix something that isn't broken, ya know? Just leave it be in peace.

I could see the good side of it. Europe would literally have the most power over any country out of the Europe border line.

And that's meant to be a good thing?

 

Possibly. With Britain and the United States also emerged.. it would be some team. All of the countries could work together fairly, without dictatorship. Wars would be less likely to occur, unless a small minority wanted Europe, Britain, and the US to dissolve. Trading would be superb. Of course I'm living in fiction as I have no idea how the European countries, Britain and the US are coping with each other.

In my eyes, I wouldn't see the US government with open arms towards Europe to combine into one controlled power. I just don't see it happening right now. Maybe in another century or so, but not now.

[Stephan90]

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Stephan90

[Black & White]

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

 

And you think Switzerland have a problem with immigration? Come to the United States, or London in the United Kingdom.

 

To be honest, I'm against most parts of immigration. My polices would probably only apply and allow people from Europe to visit, or stay (under circumstances), in the United States.

[Raavi]

 

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

 

And you think Switzerland have a problem with immigration? Come to the United States, or London in the United Kingdom.

 

To be honest, I'm against most parts of immigration. My polices would probably only apply and allow people from Europe to visit, or stay (under circumstances), in the United States.

 

 

God forbid we let skilled workers and other valuable immigrants into the country! Woe betide us we want to stimulate the economy!

Edited February 9, 2014 by Raavi

[Der Süden]

Yes, congrats. I'm not surprised, it's common to be xenophobic in Switzerland.

 

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I'm jelous of their direct democracy.

[Clem Fandango]

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

"Uncontrolled mass immigration"? You know, statistically speaking, if you hold these views you probably live in a small German town and have never met a foreigner.

[gtamann123]

Capital would probably be London. And no official language but the de facto would be English I imagine

[sivispacem]

 

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

"Uncontrolled mass immigration"? You know, statistically speaking, if you hold these views you probably live in a small German town and have never met a foreigner.

 

It's xenophobia, pure and simple.

Anyone with a rational or reasonable understanding of the underlying statistics would support relatively free and open immigration policies. Immigration is a net job and wealth creator, the end.

[Stephan90]

 

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

"Uncontrolled mass immigration"? You know, statistically speaking, if you hold these views you probably live in a small German town and have never met a foreigner.

 

 

Then your statistics are simply wrong, because none of this is true.

 

Already yesterday, the EU unveiled its ugly and undemoratic face. threatening Switzerland with "consequences" (Martin Schulz president of the European parliament in particular), claiming that free movement was a condition for the access to the common economicall space in the EU. This is laughable, since the EU has been negotiating with the USA about a transatlantic free trade agreement. The very same USA that controls immigration into their country.

 

The EU has no respect for democracy and no respect for the peoples of Europe who earn the money, that they are wasting (not talking about the Switzerland but the EU states in general).

Edited February 10, 2014 by Stephan90

[Mr. House]

 

 

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

"Uncontrolled mass immigration"? You know, statistically speaking, if you hold these views you probably live in a small German town and have never met a foreigner.

 

 

Then your statistics are simply wrong, because none of this is true.

 

Already yesterday, the EU unveiled its ugly and undemoratic face. threatening Switzerland with "consequences" (Martin Schulz president of the European parliament in particular), claiming that free movement was a condition for the access to the common economicall space in the EU. This is laughable, since the EU has been negotiating with the USA about a transatlantic free trade agreement. The very same USA that controls immigration into their country.

 

The EU has no respect for democracy and no respect for the peoples of Europe who earn the money, that they are wasting (not talking about the Switzerland but the EU states in general).

 

Do you think the Swiss government gives a flying f*ck about democracy or the interests of the public? If so, why? When every other government in the Eu and by extension the world apparently works on 'anti democratic' standards, what God given integrity does the swiss government have that no other government cabinets have?

 

If you think this xenophobic tripe is anything but pandering to a growing reactionary feeling in (the world), then you're a fool.

[Stephan90]

 

 

 

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

"Uncontrolled mass immigration"? You know, statistically speaking, if you hold these views you probably live in a small German town and have never met a foreigner.

 

 

Then your statistics are simply wrong, because none of this is true.

 

Already yesterday, the EU unveiled its ugly and undemoratic face. threatening Switzerland with "consequences" (Martin Schulz president of the European parliament in particular), claiming that free movement was a condition for the access to the common economicall space in the EU. This is laughable, since the EU has been negotiating with the USA about a transatlantic free trade agreement. The very same USA that controls immigration into their country.

 

The EU has no respect for democracy and no respect for the peoples of Europe who earn the money, that they are wasting (not talking about the Switzerland but the EU states in general).

 

Do you think the Swiss government gives a flying f*ck about democracy or the interests of the public? If so, why? When every other government in the Eu and by extension the world apparently works on 'anti democratic' standards, what God given integrity does the swiss government have that no other government cabinets have?

 

If you think this xenophobic tripe is anything but pandering to a growing reactionary feeling in (the world), then you're a fool.

 

 

I didn't write that the Swiss government was any more "democratic" than others. I am talking about the political system of Switzerland with plebicites on the highest political level. Their outcome is definite for the government no matter which party is in power right now. The negative response of the EU is solely based on the fear that people in EU states could ask for the same democratic rights, since the economical disadvantage from this plebicite for the EU is minimal if not non-existend.This is why the EU disgusts me more and more every day and I have no problem with writing it here.

Edited February 10, 2014 by Stephan90

[sivispacem]

The problem is that direct democracy- of which Switzerland has a great deal- isn't actually that democratic given that turn-outs for most of the referendums are in the 10% range. The issue is that without mandatory voting nations with direct democracy tend to only be represented by extremists, as anyone moderate on the political spectrum is usually so disenfranchised and fatigued by the democratic process they can't be bothered to vote. Hardly representative of a nation despite your protestations otherwise.

 

Look, don't derail this thread with your opinions on the EU in general. You've had plenty of opportunity to voice them in the past and many pages of debate have ensued, usually composed of you arguing the toss based on hearsay and supposition in the face of damning statistical evidence, but I digress.

[Clem Fandango]

Then your statistics are simply wrong, because none of this is true.

No, it's completely true. Anti-immigration sentiment is always strongest in rural, ethnically homogeneous areas. Very rarely do you hear anti-immigration rants in cities, where people actually experience the positive impact of immigration.

 

 

 

The negative response of the EU is solely based on the fear that people in EU states could ask for the same democratic rights

People have been observing the Swiss model of direct democracy for a long time, I doubt people are going to demand direct democracy because they suddenly just realised they can use it to keep immigrants out. Most Europeans aren't itching to put an end to immigration, as you seem to think. The reason for the EU's response is that we're trying to move towards free movement, not away from it. What exactly is the benefit of keeping immigrants out?

 

 

The EU has no respect for democracy and no respect for the peoples of Europe who earn the money, that they are wasting (not talking about the Switzerland but the EU states in general).

Why do you keep talking about the European people as if they're some monolithic entity that agrees with you entirely? I'm European and I certainly don't agree with you.

Edited February 10, 2014 by Melchior

[poklane]

Capital would be Berlin. Well, that would be kind of, ironic.....

But seriously, it would never work:

1). Political differences.

2). Cultural differences (both way of living as languages).

3). Financial differences. East Europeans ask for a way lower wage, nobody in West Europe would be able to find a normal, proper job. This is already happening with the borders opening up here in The Netherlands to some countries, and it sucksssssssssss. All small jobs here are getting taken by Eastern-Europeans, while every year the amount of people without a job and with not enough money increases.

4). The EU is sh*t. Look at England, they simply refuse to pay with the Euro, and still drive on the left side on the road. Also, here in The Netherlands, one party is making plans to get us out of the EU, it would save us over €500.000.000.0000, and more than 50% of the Dutch people said they would leave the EU if they could. Not saying it will happen, but it would be f*cking great. Also look at Greece, we still need more money.

If it would happen, I wouldn't know how f*cking fast I would need to move out, but it would be fast.

[Mr. House]

 

 

 

 

Today, the Swiss people voted for a limitation against uncontrolled mass immigration into their country. What a kick in the ass against the EU, despite all the scaremongering from the government and the media. Congratulations Switzerland, the only real democracy in Europe. I hope the people start to rebel against the sneaking dedemocratisation in the EU.

"Uncontrolled mass immigration"? You know, statistically speaking, if you hold these views you probably live in a small German town and have never met a foreigner.

 

 

Then your statistics are simply wrong, because none of this is true.

 

Already yesterday, the EU unveiled its ugly and undemoratic face. threatening Switzerland with "consequences" (Martin Schulz president of the European parliament in particular), claiming that free movement was a condition for the access to the common economicall space in the EU. This is laughable, since the EU has been negotiating with the USA about a transatlantic free trade agreement. The very same USA that controls immigration into their country.

 

The EU has no respect for democracy and no respect for the peoples of Europe who earn the money, that they are wasting (not talking about the Switzerland but the EU states in general).

 

Do you think the Swiss government gives a flying f*ck about democracy or the interests of the public? If so, why? When every other government in the Eu and by extension the world apparently works on 'anti democratic' standards, what God given integrity does the swiss government have that no other government cabinets have?

 

If you think this xenophobic tripe is anything but pandering to a growing reactionary feeling in (the world), then you're a fool.

 

 

I didn't write that the Swiss government was any more "democratic" than others. I am talking about the political system of Switzerland with plebicites on the highest political level. Their outcome is definite for the government no matter which party is in power right now. The negative response of the EU is solely based on the fear that people in EU states could ask for the same democratic rights, since the economical disadvantage from this plebicite for the EU is minimal if not non-existend.This is why the EU disgusts me more and more every day and I have no problem with writing it here.

 

Referendums are only committed to by decree of the ruling power. Governments aren't stupid, they're not going to allow referendums if they think the issue is going to go completely against their interests. Anyway you clearly don't know what you're talking about, no EU laws prevent any 'democratic rights' at all. Quite the opposite. EU 'law' has greatly increased civil rights for minorities, prisoners, women etc in a variety of countries. It's not exactly enforceable anyway. The EU isn't a single entity with a standing army or central law courts per se, it's a federation of states. If a country really wanted to ignore an EU mandate they could, such as what the UK did with allowing criminals voting rights. The only reason countries don't regularly ignore things they don't like is other countries frown upon it.

 

The negative response of the EU is based largely on ignorance and fear of the DREADED IMMIGRANT!