Bomb attack in Turkey

[sivispacem]

FSA are just your typical terrorists trying to take over, SAA are still bad but a lot better than FSA.

FSA aren't really a defined force. They consist of a variety of pretty decent irregular armies, and a few pretty nasty Islamist terrorist organisations. It isn't really fair to look at them or judge them as a cohesive movement. Because, quite simply, they aren't.

The videos i've seen on Liveleak on what the 'Rebels' have done/are doing are NSFL even if >1% of them arr extremists I wouldn't want them anywhere near power.

You are aware that quite a lot of what is claimed by various people to be being done by the FSA or the various non-state groups acting in Syria is actually government-funded and run militias?

[LewisMiller]

FSA are just your typical terrorists trying to take over, SAA are still bad but a lot better than FSA.

FSA aren't really a defined force. They consist of a variety of pretty decent irregular armies, and a few pretty nasty Islamist terrorist organisations. It isn't really fair to look at them or judge them as a cohesive movement. Because, quite simply, they aren't.

The videos i've seen on Liveleak on what the 'Rebels' have done/are doing are NSFL even if >1% of them arr extremists I wouldn't want them anywhere near power.

You are aware that quite a lot of what is claimed by various people to be being done by the FSA or the various non-state groups acting in Syria is actually government-funded and run militias?

Yes, that is true but the videos are on a website that has no reason to lie about who is in the video.

[sivispacem]

Yes, that is true but the videos are on a website that has no reason to lie about who is in the video.

The website doesn't have an agenda, but the people posting the videos may.

[rudy]

I doubt if the Kurdistan (Kurdish?) Workers Party (the PKK) are actually the ones behind this. They had been fighting with Turkey for many years, demanding an independent state within Turkey, and its very likely that they could be the one behind this.

 

So yeah, my money goes on the PKK.

[Acehilm]

Why are the Syrian army being blamed for this attack? What about the Boston attacks - U.S army?... it is always plausible when it's not the U.S being attacked.

 

 

[WHAT!?]

Why are the Syrian army being blamed for this attack? What about the Boston attacks - U.S army?... it is always plausible when it's not the U.S being attacked.

You really just asked that question?

 

You're right though. Personally I think it was those damn Mexicans.

[sivispacem]

I doubt if the Kurdistan (Kurdish?) Workers Party (the PKK) are actually the ones behind this. They had been fighting with Turkey for many years, demanding an independent state within Turkey, and its very likely that they could be the one behind this.

 

So yeah, my money goes on the PKK.

The PKK are in the process of withdrawing from Turkey and disarming. They tend to operate elsewhere in Turkey- the Syrian border isn't exactly their typical area of influence.

 

 

Why are the Syrian army being blamed for this attack? What about the Boston attacks - U.S army?... it is always plausible when it's not the U.S being attacked.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact one is a democratic nation with high rankings in terms of political and personal freedoms and numerous legally enshrined rights, and the other is an authoritarian hellhole run by a borderline sadistic family dynasty with no effective political freedoms, which has spent the last two years in a state of civil war largely perpetrated by the state apparatus, culminating in the murder of about 75,000 civilians and the torture, forced disappearance or displacement of over a million people?

 

Also, the Boston attacks were domestic terrorism. This is an attack against another sovereign state who just happens to be providing material assistance to the Syrian resistance movement. Logically speaking, who is likely to be culpable?

[vertical limit]

My prayers are with victims and their families. Syrian genocides have gone too far after this cross border tragedy.

 

On a totaly unrelated note Mukhabarat just means intelligence in Arabic.

[TrojanPrince]

Syrians been doing this forever!

[Majestic81]

Syrians been doing this forever!

Yes we've been terrorising the middle east for years...

 

oh please the moment your country let rebels cross the border whenever they damn pleased was the moment when you made Turkey and Syria dangerous and vulnerable to any attacks. Syria was fine before your country started smuggling thugs into it. oh sorry i mean ''rebels''.

[sivispacem]

 

Yes we've been terrorising the middle east for years...

Well, by acting as Iran's effective mouthpiece, funding and supplying Hezbollah, conducting clandestine operations in the Gulf states and Israel, you sort of have had quite a large role in Middle Eastern terrorist over the last few decades.

 

 

Syria was fine before your country started smuggling thugs into it.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember 2 years ago when the conflict actually kicked off, but I'm pretty sure that the uprisings in Aleppo and Daraa which were brutally suppressed by the regime's paramilitary armed forces were pretty firmly rooted in domestic dissatisfaction. The fact of the matter is that the Syrian government has no-one but themselves to blame for the presence of foreign Jihadi fighters on their soil. Their indiscriminate violence, culminating in crimes against humanity, towards innocent civilians, has basically unified the entire Arab world against them.

[Majestic81]

Yes we've been terrorising the middle east for years...

Well, by acting as Iran's effective mouthpiece, funding and supplying Hezbollah, conducting clandestine operations in the Gulf states and Israel, you sort of have had quite a large role in Middle Eastern terrorist over the last few decades.

 

 

Syria was fine before your country started smuggling thugs into it.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember 2 years ago when the conflict actually kicked off, but I'm pretty sure that the uprisings in Aleppo and Daraa which were brutally suppressed by the regime's paramilitary armed forces were pretty firmly rooted in domestic dissatisfaction. The fact of the matter is that the Syrian government has no-one but themselves to blame for the presence of foreign Jihadi fighters on their soil. Their indiscriminate violence, culminating in crimes against humanity, towards innocent civilians, has basically unified the entire Arab world against them.

Thats supposed to be an insult? i love how most of you talk especially you about the mistreatment and the bad government in syria when none of you have even set foot in the country. lets be honest here your only source is the misleading media and what the media says you come here and repeat it like a parrott. come and live for a few months here then run your mouth about how the government is mistreating the citizens.

 

Why did the regime took brutal action against the protesters 2 years ago you ask? well because all of the protesters were ex cons, thugs and unemployed losers blaming the government for their failures. they deserved what they got. and the FSA you see now aren't freedom fighters. they're mercs, half of them aren't even syrians.

 

The govt might not be perfect, but neither is any other government. the current one is the best we can get. since Assad took charge the economy, education, and almost everything in Syria slowly started to change to the better. religion wasn't an issue either. christians, muslims, jews all lived peacefully without any sort of harassment from the govt. thats a rare thing in a middle eastern country. can you tell me what will happen of those FSA brainwashed extremist take charge? we'll be like Saudi Arabia and probably worse. FSA has already kidnaped tortured and killed anyone who wasnt a muslim. I know someone who has been kidnapped because she wasn't wearing a scarf over her head. the FSA still hasn't released her. half of syria is bombed. criminals and terrorists are running amok in the streets and bombing everyone who disagrees with their religion. is that the freedom the FSA wanted?

 

Syria has its flaws, but so is every country. the truth is we were all better under the government charge.

 

I'm out of here.

[sivispacem]

 

Yes we've been terrorising the middle east for years...

Well, by acting as Iran's effective mouthpiece, funding and supplying Hezbollah, conducting clandestine operations in the Gulf states and Israel, you sort of have had quite a large role in Middle Eastern terrorist over the last few decades.

 

 

Syria was fine before your country started smuggling thugs into it.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember 2 years ago when the conflict actually kicked off, but I'm pretty sure that the uprisings in Aleppo and Daraa which were brutally suppressed by the regime's paramilitary armed forces were pretty firmly rooted in domestic dissatisfaction. The fact of the matter is that the Syrian government has no-one but themselves to blame for the presence of foreign Jihadi fighters on their soil. Their indiscriminate violence, culminating in crimes against humanity, towards innocent civilians, has basically unified the entire Arab world against them.

Thats supposed to be an insult?

No, it is empirical fact.

 

I find it hilarious that you think several million citizens of your own county are "thugs and criminals" just for having the audacity to express political views. That really says a lot about the tripe that the government run media feed you.

 

Also, external observers almost always have a better understanding of strategic realities in authoritarian states than the populace due purely to a greater proliferation of information and a greater freedom to analyse and assess it. The "you don't know because you don't live here" logic is self-defeating, because if we did we would know even less.

 

Plus my sources stretch much, much further than the media. Plenty of analysis done by the likes of RUSI, Chatham House and IISS that doesn't rely on partisan media and still has far more detail than anything available domestically in an authoritarian state or to the layman without paying for it.

Edited May 13, 2013 by sivispacem

[GTASAddict]

I'm baffled how I learned of this atrocity due to a video game forum instead of the news. After the Boston incident, I heard of it when sitting on my porch; no need to turn on a TV or computer.