Please explain the hate for fuel in cars?

[Lock n' Stock]

Here's my suggestion. Have a Hardcore mode like in RDR (GOTY Edition) or Fallout: New Vegas that includes it.

[wwinterj]

Your arguments are still only based on your opinion of what is fun and whats annoying. They do nothing for me.

This. Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating. If they added this I'd just ditch the car when it runs out of gas and steal another.

[Druffmaul]

Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating.

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

[stee_vo]

Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating.

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

How is that argument ineffective?

 

It's boring, don't want it.

[Druffmaul]

Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating.

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

How is that argument ineffective?

 

It's boring, don't want it.

It's no more boring than taking time out to find a health pack or hamburger when you're low on health.

[wwinterj]

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

Argument? You think stating my opinion is having a argument? I'd rather watch paint dry then re-fuel my car and that sir is a fact.

[redx165]

 

Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating.

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

How is that argument ineffective?

 

It's boring, don't want it.

It's no more boring than taking time out to find a health pack or hamburger when you're low on health.

Which is why they got regen health. Once again no one wants it. Go pretend like you've been doing for the past years and leave us alone with this useless and unwanted feature.

Edited May 10, 2013 by redx165

[I Luke]

Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating.

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

How is that argument ineffective?

 

It's boring, don't want it.

It's no more boring than taking time out to find a health pack or hamburger when you're low on health.

Ammo and Health has always been in GTA. It's actually one thing that makes sense to be ingame and no matter how repetitive or boring it is, it HAS to be in the game.

 

+ I'd rather suicide and lose a bit of worthless money. I doubt it will be as rare as IV to find a burger shop neither. SA can tell you this.

[Druffmaul]

Argument? You think stating my opinion is having a argument?

You seriously don't know what the word "argument" means in this context? You're that uneducated? Or are you f*cking with me?

[wwinterj]

You seriously don't know what the word "argument" means in this context? You're that uneducated? Or are you f*cking with me?

Neither. I'm actually bored of you and your pointless posts.

[Druffmaul]

 

Ammo and Health has always been in GTA. It's actually one thing that makes sense to be ingame and no matter how repetitive or boring it is, it HAS to be in the game.

 

There's no law that says GTA *has* to limit ammo. There are games where you have a gun but no need for ammo. But R* made that design choice for a reason.

 

Have you ever run out of ammo in GTA? Literally, no more ammo at all? If you do, you must really, really, really suck ass. Because R* is careful to tune the game such that while you do use up ammo, there's enough around that you'd have to go out of your way to run out. Almost seems pointless. But the fact that your ammo does get used up is important to the feel of the game.

 

Gas would be along the same lines. Cars would use gas, but R* would tune the consumption rate so that you wouldn't be running out every 5 minutes. They would make sure there were enough options that you'd have to be a complete f*cktard to run out. But using gas would be there, it would contribute to the game play in exactly the same way using ammo does.

Edited May 11, 2013 by Druffmaul

[stee_vo]

 

Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating.

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

How is that argument ineffective?

 

It's boring, don't want it.

It's no more boring than taking time out to find a health pack or hamburger when you're low on health.

That makes sense though, would you rather have god-mode?

[redx165]

Ammo and Health has always been in GTA. It's actually one thing that makes sense to be ingame and no matter how repetitive or boring it is, it HAS to be in the game.

 

There's no law that says GTA *has* to limit ammo. There are games where you have a gun but no need for ammo.

 

Have you ever run out of ammo in GTA? Literally, no more ammo at all? If you do, you must really, really, really suck ass. Because R* is careful to tune the game such that while you do use up ammo, there's enough around that you'd have to go out of your way to run out. Almost seems pointless. But the fact that your ammo does get used up is important to the feel of the game.

 

Gas would be along the same lines. Cars would use gas, but R* would tune the consumption rate so that you wouldn't be running out every 5 minutes. They would make sure there were enough options that you'd have to be a complete f*cktard to run out. But using gas would be there, it would contribute to the game play in exactly the same way using ammo does.

No it doesn't. GTA doesn't need gas and never will have it. Gas just doesn't fit the vibe. Ammo is a must in GTA while Gas isn't. Now if you have it so you don't need to go all the time then its a useless feature. If you have it when you always have to go its a annoying features. Just like eating food got annoying too.

[Druffmaul]

Ammo and Health has always been in GTA. It's actually one thing that makes sense to be ingame and no matter how repetitive or boring it is, it HAS to be in the game.

 

There's no law that says GTA *has* to limit ammo. There are games where you have a gun but no need for ammo.

 

Have you ever run out of ammo in GTA? Literally, no more ammo at all? If you do, you must really, really, really suck ass. Because R* is careful to tune the game such that while you do use up ammo, there's enough around that you'd have to go out of your way to run out. Almost seems pointless. But the fact that your ammo does get used up is important to the feel of the game.

 

Gas would be along the same lines. Cars would use gas, but R* would tune the consumption rate so that you wouldn't be running out every 5 minutes. They would make sure there were enough options that you'd have to be a complete f*cktard to run out. But using gas would be there, it would contribute to the game play in exactly the same way using ammo does.

No it doesn't. GTA doesn't need gas and never will have it. Gas just doesn't fit the vibe. Ammo is a must in GTA while Gas isn't. Now if you have it so you don't need to go all the time then its a useless feature. If you have it when you always have to go its a annoying features. Just like eating food got annoying too.

Gas doesn't fit the vibe in a game about stealing cars. Right.

[Guest]

The problem with this argument is the same as it is for eating(to survive like SA) in game. The reason I don't run out of gas in real life is because I literally feel how my car is performing, I'm constantly checking gauges, and my car will start warning me well before I run out of gas. I also live in the real world, so there's a petrol station every few miles.

 

If I do run out of gas, which has happened a couple times, I have friends who will come bail me out of my moronic situation. The same way I don't feel hungry in a game, I'm not going to pay attention, care, or get the natural "real life" cues that keep me from ever running out of gas.

Everything you describe in there could be done in a GTA game. There would obviously be an indicator to warn you way before you run out of gas. There would be gas stations aplenty. (There were tons of them in GTA IV as it is, they blew up real good.) There could be a tow service you could call where they would come to you and fill your tank, maybe at twice the price of what you'd have paid at a gas station.

 

Seriously, I get the impression that most of the "I hate this idea!" attitude is coming from people who are too dumb to realize there are all kinds of ways that could make it just another part of the game that feels like the stuff that's already there and not some infuriating game breaking bullsh*t.

 

GTA IV introduced the concept of tires wearing out when you skid on them too much. If this was suggested here before the game came out, everyone would have been all "Are you kidding? What a f*cking retarded idea, I don't want my tires blowing out all the time! How annoying!"

Good post. I mean the argument of "it doesnt add to gameplay". What does going to a food place or vender to get health add to gameplay? Its just a long drawn out way to refill your health. Why not medic packs like other games so you can heal on the spot? Why dont you think having to go get food for health all the time is annoying?

 

Another one is "I dont want my fixed up ride to get stranded in the desert". lol Is this one reaching or what? Get gas before you go that far or (if R* makes trunks available) store a gas can.

 

Another one "you have control over car damage ammo, etc, you dont have control over fuel" . 1st, you have the same control over your fuel as you do your ammo. Dont shoot/drive and you dont burn gas or waste bullets. Shoot percise and efficient and waste less bullets is just like take shorter drives and waste less gas. lol I mean you cant control the use of ammo during missions. Besides the stealth missions you'll HAVE to shoot wont you? That means you WILL use ammo so I dont get the "no control" argument. I refill my ammo multiple times a ingame day in GTA. Gas has been suggested to once a day or milage that would cover a day. With that I see health being more of an annoyance than gas.

 

Anyway, thanks for the replies I just wanted to see if there were any real solid arguments against it. Seen some ok points but nothing that convinces me that gs would ruin the game. I've heard it being optional as in something you can turn off being thrown in here a few times. I think that would work.

[redx165]

Ammo and Health has always been in GTA. It's actually one thing that makes sense to be ingame and no matter how repetitive or boring it is, it HAS to be in the game.

 

There's no law that says GTA *has* to limit ammo. There are games where you have a gun but no need for ammo.

 

Have you ever run out of ammo in GTA? Literally, no more ammo at all? If you do, you must really, really, really suck ass. Because R* is careful to tune the game such that while you do use up ammo, there's enough around that you'd have to go out of your way to run out. Almost seems pointless. But the fact that your ammo does get used up is important to the feel of the game.

 

Gas would be along the same lines. Cars would use gas, but R* would tune the consumption rate so that you wouldn't be running out every 5 minutes. They would make sure there were enough options that you'd have to be a complete f*cktard to run out. But using gas would be there, it would contribute to the game play in exactly the same way using ammo does.

No it doesn't. GTA doesn't need gas and never will have it. Gas just doesn't fit the vibe. Ammo is a must in GTA while Gas isn't. Now if you have it so you don't need to go all the time then its a useless feature. If you have it when you always have to go its a annoying features. Just like eating food got annoying too.

Gas doesn't fit the vibe in a game about stealing cars. Right.

Have you notice this game isn't just about stealing cars. Don't be a closed minded fool. Just cause its called: Grand Theft Auto doesn't mean the whole purpose is to steal cars.

[wwinterj]

No it doesn't. GTA doesn't need gas and never will have it. Gas just doesn't fit the vibe. Ammo is a must in GTA while Gas isn't. Now if you have it so you don't need to go all the time then its a useless feature. If you have it when you always have to go its a annoying features. Just like eating food got annoying too.

I agree with this. I don't see what it will add to the game really. Sure those for it will say "realism" but if GTA was a life simulator it would be just as boring as life.

[Druffmaul]

 

Ammo and Health has always been in GTA. It's actually one thing that makes sense to be ingame and no matter how repetitive or boring it is, it HAS to be in the game.

 

There's no law that says GTA *has* to limit ammo. There are games where you have a gun but no need for ammo.

 

Have you ever run out of ammo in GTA? Literally, no more ammo at all? If you do, you must really, really, really suck ass. Because R* is careful to tune the game such that while you do use up ammo, there's enough around that you'd have to go out of your way to run out. Almost seems pointless. But the fact that your ammo does get used up is important to the feel of the game.

 

Gas would be along the same lines. Cars would use gas, but R* would tune the consumption rate so that you wouldn't be running out every 5 minutes. They would make sure there were enough options that you'd have to be a complete f*cktard to run out. But using gas would be there, it would contribute to the game play in exactly the same way using ammo does.

No it doesn't. GTA doesn't need gas and never will have it. Gas just doesn't fit the vibe. Ammo is a must in GTA while Gas isn't. Now if you have it so you don't need to go all the time then its a useless feature. If you have it when you always have to go its a annoying features. Just like eating food got annoying too.

Gas doesn't fit the vibe in a game about stealing cars. Right.

Have you notice this game isn't just about stealing cars. Don't be a closed minded fool. Just cause its called: Grand Theft Auto doesn't mean the whole purpose is to steal cars.

 

It's pretty stupid to say that gas "doesn't fit the vibe" of a game called Grand Theft Auto, that's all.

 

I'm the open minded one here, jack. I'm the one open to adding something new to the game that isn't the equivalent of a "win" button, something that would potentially make me put forth just a wee bit more effort as I play it.

 

People like YOU are the closed minded ones who just assume there's no way it could work, and jump immediately to the conclusion of "but i don wanna looze my favrit car in de middle uv de dessert!!! dats annoyying!!!!"

[Theking79]

GTA isn't a simulation game, it isn't realistic and never will be.

 

Fuel would just add an annoying barrier in the way of actually enjoying he game.

 

To the OP, you have no idea what a GTA game is, if you want realism/simulation go and play the sims or sim city.

 

The people calling for it only want it because they like the idea of going to the petrol station and filling up like in real life, basically they want it for role-playing purposes, nothing else.

 

 

[redx165]

 

Ammo and Health has always been in GTA. It's actually one thing that makes sense to be ingame and no matter how repetitive or boring it is, it HAS to be in the game.

 

There's no law that says GTA *has* to limit ammo. There are games where you have a gun but no need for ammo.

 

Have you ever run out of ammo in GTA? Literally, no more ammo at all? If you do, you must really, really, really suck ass. Because R* is careful to tune the game such that while you do use up ammo, there's enough around that you'd have to go out of your way to run out. Almost seems pointless. But the fact that your ammo does get used up is important to the feel of the game.

 

Gas would be along the same lines. Cars would use gas, but R* would tune the consumption rate so that you wouldn't be running out every 5 minutes. They would make sure there were enough options that you'd have to be a complete f*cktard to run out. But using gas would be there, it would contribute to the game play in exactly the same way using ammo does.

No it doesn't. GTA doesn't need gas and never will have it. Gas just doesn't fit the vibe. Ammo is a must in GTA while Gas isn't. Now if you have it so you don't need to go all the time then its a useless feature. If you have it when you always have to go its a annoying features. Just like eating food got annoying too.

Gas doesn't fit the vibe in a game about stealing cars. Right.

Have you notice this game isn't just about stealing cars. Don't be a closed minded fool. Just cause its called: Grand Theft Auto doesn't mean the whole purpose is to steal cars.

I'm the open minded one here, jack. I'm the one open to adding something new to the game that isn't the equivalent of a "win" button, something that would potentially make me put forth just a wee bit more effort as I play it.

 

People like YOU are the closed minded ones who just assume there's no way it could work, and jump immediately to the conclusion of "but i don wanna looze my favrit car in de middle uv de dessert!!! dats annoyying!!!!"

People like you don't have any imagination and want every useless feature in the game. Lets take a sh*t too. We eat food and we should have to sh*t it out. Gas doesn't add nothing then just annoying the player. So RPG elements don't belong in this game. This isn't called Sims Theft Auto V

Edited May 11, 2013 by redx165

[Racecarlock]

Adding fuel to car would become boring. repetitive and frustrating.

Just like plenty of other things R* has happily included in GTA over the years. Totally ineffective argument.

How is that argument ineffective?

 

It's boring, don't want it.

It's no more boring than taking time out to find a health pack or hamburger when you're low on health.

But you're not losing heath when you're not getting shot, are you?

 

Fuel would go down even when your car is sitting completely still.

 

But, you want to know the real reason? It's because I'm lazy. I don't want to get virtual fuel because I want to hang out on the beach all day and drive fast in the mountains without any worries. It's fun to be lazy. I don't want to worry about fuel when I'm trying to set the land speed record for drifting.

 

Hell, your point about ammo bounces off of me because in the end one could still use melee weapons and I use cheats anyways, so guns are never a problem.

 

I just don't see why I should have to deal with fuel. It's not fun to me. Maybe if it was an option in the menu. BUT ONLY AS AN OPTION. Because I don't enjoy getting virtual gas.

 

Plus, with ammo and health, isn't it also possible to steal guns off of dead bodies and step on medkits which do not have eating animations?

[wwinterj]

I'm the one open to adding something new to the game that isn't the equivalent of a "win" button, something that would potentially make me put forth just a wee bit more effort as I play it.

I'd rather have more challenging missions and intelligent A.I. Then putting fuel in a car for a more challenging game experience. Keep driving a car to a gas station or putting more fuel into it isn't something that I'd imagine would take any effort at all.

[Druffmaul]

 

But you're not losing heath when you're not getting shot, are you?

 

Fuel would go down even when your car is sitting completely still.

 

But, you want to know the real reason? It's because I'm lazy. I don't want to get virtual fuel because I want to hang out on the beach all day and drive fast in the mountains without any worries. It's fun to be lazy. I don't want to worry about fuel when I'm trying to set the land speed record for drifting.

 

Hell, your point about ammo bounces off of me because in the end one could still use melee weapons and I use cheats anyways, so guns are never a problem.

 

I just don't see why I should have to deal with fuel. It's not fun to me. Maybe if it was an option in the menu. BUT ONLY AS AN OPTION. Because I don't enjoy getting virtual gas.

 

Plus, with ammo and health, isn't it also possible to steal guns off of dead bodies and step on medkits which do not have eating animations?

 

Who says you'd lose fuel if the car isn't moving? Maybe it wouldn't. Or maybe it would be at such a reduced rate that it wouldn't matter. R* already learned this lesson in the SA Zero mission with the RC plane.

 

You run out of bullets, you switch to the far less effective melee.

 

You run out of gas, you steal another vehicle. Or you grab a gas can from the back of a truck. (We already know these exist)

 

I don't give a sh*t if you're lazy. That's you're problem. I'm not lazy.

Edited May 11, 2013 by Druffmaul

[redx165]

Who says you'd lose fuel if the car isn't moving? Maybe it wouldn't. Or maybe it would be at such a reduced rate that it wouldn't matter. R* already learned this lesson in the SA Zero mission with the RC plane.

 

You run out of bullets, you switch to the far less effective melee.

 

You run out of gas, you steal another vehicle. Or you grab a gas can from the back of a truck. (We already know these exist)

 

I don't give a sh*t if you're lazy. That's you're problem. I'm not lazy.

That's your problem that you have no imagination and not mine.

[Druffmaul]

I'd rather have more challenging missions and intelligent A.I. Then putting fuel in a car for a more challenging game experience.

Yeah because it has to be one or the other. Another great "argument" from this genius.

[Racecarlock]

But you're not losing heath when you're not getting shot, are you?

 

Fuel would go down even when your car is sitting completely still.

 

But, you want to know the real reason? It's because I'm lazy. I don't want to get virtual fuel because I want to hang out on the beach all day and drive fast in the mountains without any worries. It's fun to be lazy. I don't want to worry about fuel when I'm trying to set the land speed record for drifting.

 

Hell, your point about ammo bounces off of me because in the end one could still use melee weapons and I use cheats anyways, so guns are never a problem.

 

I just don't see why I should have to deal with fuel. It's not fun to me. Maybe if it was an option in the menu. BUT ONLY AS AN OPTION. Because I don't enjoy getting virtual gas.

 

Plus, with ammo and health, isn't it also possible to steal guns off of dead bodies and step on medkits which do not have eating animations?

 

Who says you'd lose fuel if the car isn't moving? Maybe it wouldn't. Or maybe it would be at such a reduced rate that it wouldn't matter. R* already learned this lesson in the SA Zero mission with the RC plane.

 

You run out of bullets, you switch to the far less effective melee.

 

You run out of gas, you steal another vehicle. Or you grab a gas can from the back of a truck. (We already know these exist)

 

I don't give a sh*t if you're lazy. That's you're problem. I'm not lazy.

Why the hell should I have to deal with a feature I find annoying and pointless?! Answer me that!

[Druffmaul]

But you're not losing heath when you're not getting shot, are you?

 

Fuel would go down even when your car is sitting completely still.

 

But, you want to know the real reason? It's because I'm lazy. I don't want to get virtual fuel because I want to hang out on the beach all day and drive fast in the mountains without any worries. It's fun to be lazy. I don't want to worry about fuel when I'm trying to set the land speed record for drifting.

 

Hell, your point about ammo bounces off of me because in the end one could still use melee weapons and I use cheats anyways, so guns are never a problem.

 

I just don't see why I should have to deal with fuel. It's not fun to me. Maybe if it was an option in the menu. BUT ONLY AS AN OPTION. Because I don't enjoy getting virtual gas.

 

Plus, with ammo and health, isn't it also possible to steal guns off of dead bodies and step on medkits which do not have eating animations?

 

Who says you'd lose fuel if the car isn't moving? Maybe it wouldn't. Or maybe it would be at such a reduced rate that it wouldn't matter. R* already learned this lesson in the SA Zero mission with the RC plane.

 

You run out of bullets, you switch to the far less effective melee.

 

You run out of gas, you steal another vehicle. Or you grab a gas can from the back of a truck. (We already know these exist)

 

I don't give a sh*t if you're lazy. That's you're problem. I'm not lazy.

Why the hell should I have to deal with a feature I find annoying and pointless?! Answer me that!

The same reason your lazy ass has to deal with a feature you don't like in any other game.

 

Or has nothing in a game ever annoyed you before?

[redx165]

But you're not losing heath when you're not getting shot, are you?

 

Fuel would go down even when your car is sitting completely still.

 

But, you want to know the real reason? It's because I'm lazy. I don't want to get virtual fuel because I want to hang out on the beach all day and drive fast in the mountains without any worries. It's fun to be lazy. I don't want to worry about fuel when I'm trying to set the land speed record for drifting.

 

Hell, your point about ammo bounces off of me because in the end one could still use melee weapons and I use cheats anyways, so guns are never a problem.

 

I just don't see why I should have to deal with fuel. It's not fun to me. Maybe if it was an option in the menu. BUT ONLY AS AN OPTION. Because I don't enjoy getting virtual gas.

 

Plus, with ammo and health, isn't it also possible to steal guns off of dead bodies and step on medkits which do not have eating animations?

 

Who says you'd lose fuel if the car isn't moving? Maybe it wouldn't. Or maybe it would be at such a reduced rate that it wouldn't matter. R* already learned this lesson in the SA Zero mission with the RC plane.

 

You run out of bullets, you switch to the far less effective melee.

 

You run out of gas, you steal another vehicle. Or you grab a gas can from the back of a truck. (We already know these exist)

 

I don't give a sh*t if you're lazy. That's you're problem. I'm not lazy.

Why the hell should I have to deal with a feature I find annoying and pointless?! Answer me that!

The same reason your lazy ass has to deal with a feature you don't like in any other game.

 

Or has nothing in a game ever annoyed you before?

Now you're talking like a immature kid that doesn't get his/her way. At least I know who I'm dealing with.

[wwinterj]

 

Yeah because it has to be one or the other. Another great "argument" from this genius.

Point is adding fuel to game doesn't make it a challenge at all. In truth it adds nothing but "realism". I find it amusing you have to resort to insulting people to try and make your points or lack of more valid. Please continue to do so.

Edited May 11, 2013 by wwinterj

[Sgt. Foley]

Well maybe if you didn't drive like a jackass (commenting on the vehicle damage part) you wouldn't have your car breaking down 24/7.

 

Do I want fuel? Nope.