Lampoon gun control laws in US

[brucie_suckyou]

We all know GTA lampoons real world current events.

Do you think their comedy writers will sink their teeth into

The recent gun control reform debate that happened recently in th US?

 

It's a touchy subject for some, and touchy for R* as GTA is often about

Huge gun battles in city streets.

 

I would love to see their take on it.

Discuss.

[HudS]

Sandy hook parody anyone??

 

#TooSoon?

[jamieleng]

I think it will be mentioned in a general sense. I mean, terrorism was a big theme in IV & 9/11 took more lives than all the school shootings in America. Then again, a child's life is worth more than an adults.

[brucie_suckyou]

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

[jolzew1]

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

How is no "reform" after a debate a joke? The politicians actually did their job for once and and voted in line with their constituents. The proposed reform would do nothing to lesson gun violence/crime in this country nor would hit have prevented any mass shooting in the last 10 years. It was nothing more than a party line BS dog and pony show. I could debate you for hours on this issue and use only facts to demolish any argument you have that was for this legislation but I don't want to clog up a gaming thread with a political debate. The American people have spoken. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Go look up the FBI statistics over the last decade and watch gun violence drop year over year while NICS increases. Over 80% of murders committed with guns in the US are gang related black on black crime. Sandy hook, Columbine, Aurora etc are the isolated minority of gun crime. Oh and by the way, Columbine occured during the AWB so how did that work out for you? You want to solve gun crime in this country? Focus on gang crime and the pharmaceutical industry.

[aaronimpact]

We all know GTA lampoons real world current events.

Do you think their comedy writers will sink their teeth into

The recent gun control reform debate that happened recently in th US?

 

It's a touchy subject for some, and touchy for R* as GTA is often about

Huge gun battles in city streets.

 

I would love to see their take on it.

Discuss.

I don't think so.

 

Just in the past week in the US a 5 year old shot his 2 year old sister with a rifle. And also in the news is a 13 year old who shot his mother with a .22 for taking away his COD game last year.

[FaceLessMind]

If you take the guns away it solves nothing. People are killed everyday by other weapons other than firearms. If we gave our firearms up, well then we can consider all our freedoms out the Window!

[Creed Bratton]

Making fun of American politics is easy and satisfying. I don't doubt that they will make fun of some aspects of American politics.

[brucie_suckyou]

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

How is no "reform" after a debate a joke? The politicians actually did their job for once and and voted in line with their constituents. The proposed reform would do nothing to lesson gun violence/crime in this country nor would hit have prevented any mass shooting in the last 10 years. It was nothing more than a party line BS dog and pony show. I could debate you for hours on this issue and use only facts to demolish any argument you have that was for this legislation but I don't want to clog up a gaming thread with a political debate. The American people have spoken. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Go look up the FBI statistics over the last decade and watch gun violence drop year over year while NICS increases. Over 80% of murders committed with guns in the US are gang related black on black crime. Sandy hook, Columbine, Aurora etc are the isolated minority of gun crime. Oh and by the way, Columbine occured during the AWB so how did that work out for you? You want to solve gun crime in this country? Focus on gang crime and the pharmaceutical industry.

I don't wanna talk about politics in this thread either. It's really about the game content.

But I will say this I live in Australia, in the 90's the government took all of our guns. Since then we have had 0 mass shootings.

 

Sandy hook was a terrible tragedy that breaks my heart. If something like that happens

Once. It's once too often.

 

Demolish any argument I have. I don't think so mate. Just say in'

[z06z33]

I think it will be mentioned in a general sense. I mean, terrorism was a big theme in IV & 9/11 took more lives than all the school shootings in America. Then again, a child's life is worth more than an adults.

How you figure Children don't pay taxes or have jobs.

[PureGold]

 

I think it will be mentioned in a general sense. I mean, terrorism was a big theme in IV & 9/11 took more lives than all the school shootings in America. Then again, a child's life is worth more than an adults.

How you figure Children don't pay taxes or have jobs.

Or have the capability to do anything Maybe he meant more precious/to be protected more.

 

Maybe they will make fun of US gun laws but maybe they will also make fun of gun control.

Edited May 6, 2013 by PureGold

[jolzew1]

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

How is no "reform" after a debate a joke? The politicians actually did their job for once and and voted in line with their constituents. The proposed reform would do nothing to lesson gun violence/crime in this country nor would hit have prevented any mass shooting in the last 10 years. It was nothing more than a party line BS dog and pony show. I could debate you for hours on this issue and use only facts to demolish any argument you have that was for this legislation but I don't want to clog up a gaming thread with a political debate. The American people have spoken. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Go look up the FBI statistics over the last decade and watch gun violence drop year over year while NICS increases. Over 80% of murders committed with guns in the US are gang related black on black crime. Sandy hook, Columbine, Aurora etc are the isolated minority of gun crime. Oh and by the way, Columbine occured during the AWB so how did that work out for you? You want to solve gun crime in this country? Focus on gang crime and the pharmaceutical industry.

I don't wanna talk about politics in this thread either. It's really about the game content.

But I will say this I live in Australia, in the 90's the government took all of our guns. Since then we have had 0 mass shootings.

 

Sandy hook was a terrible tragedy that breaks my heart. If something like that happens

Once. It's once too often.

 

Demolish any argument I have. I don't think so mate. Just say in'

I guess I'll start by saying you don't have, nor did you ever have a Constitutional right to own firearms so your situation is very different than here in the US from that aspect alone but since you want to compare, let's do so.

 

The Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. This was in 2002, 5 years after your gun ban. Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

 

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

 

•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.

•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.

•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

 

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

 

 

 

 

[brucie_suckyou]

I think it will be mentioned in a general sense. I mean, terrorism was a big theme in IV & 9/11 took more lives than all the school shootings in America. Then again, a child's life is worth more than an adults.

How you figure Children don't pay taxes or have jobs.

Can't tell if you're serious.

 

[ultimatelizardman]

 

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

How is no "reform" after a debate a joke? The politicians actually did their job for once and and voted in line with their constituents. The proposed reform would do nothing to lesson gun violence/crime in this country nor would hit have prevented any mass shooting in the last 10 years. It was nothing more than a party line BS dog and pony show. I could debate you for hours on this issue and use only facts to demolish any argument you have that was for this legislation but I don't want to clog up a gaming thread with a political debate. The American people have spoken. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Go look up the FBI statistics over the last decade and watch gun violence drop year over year while NICS increases. Over 80% of murders committed with guns in the US are gang related black on black crime. Sandy hook, Columbine, Aurora etc are the isolated minority of gun crime. Oh and by the way, Columbine occured during the AWB so how did that work out for you? You want to solve gun crime in this country? Focus on gang crime and the pharmaceutical industry.

I don't wanna talk about politics in this thread either. It's really about the game content.

But I will say this I live in Australia, in the 90's the government took all of our guns. Since then we have had 0 mass shootings.

 

Sandy hook was a terrible tragedy that breaks my heart. If something like that happens

Once. It's once too often.

 

Demolish any argument I have. I don't think so mate. Just say in'

Here in Belgium it's very hard to obtain a firearm legally, and we've had 7 mass killings (four familicides and three rampage killings, all killing more than 4 people) over the last 4 years.

 

Also, our crime rate has risen steadily (especially the rates of assault, robbery and rape) since self-defense weapons (such as irritant sprays, stun guns, batons, etc...) were banned.

 

 

My conclusion: banning the private possession of weapons makes society more dangerous by dis-empowering the weak, emboldening criminals and increasing stress.

 

 

 

...why are we discussing politics in the GTA V section of this forum?

[brucie_suckyou]

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

How is no "reform" after a debate a joke? The politicians actually did their job for once and and voted in line with their constituents. The proposed reform would do nothing to lesson gun violence/crime in this country nor would hit have prevented any mass shooting in the last 10 years. It was nothing more than a party line BS dog and pony show. I could debate you for hours on this issue and use only facts to demolish any argument you have that was for this legislation but I don't want to clog up a gaming thread with a political debate. The American people have spoken. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Go look up the FBI statistics over the last decade and watch gun violence drop year over year while NICS increases. Over 80% of murders committed with guns in the US are gang related black on black crime. Sandy hook, Columbine, Aurora etc are the isolated minority of gun crime. Oh and by the way, Columbine occured during the AWB so how did that work out for you? You want to solve gun crime in this country? Focus on gang crime and the pharmaceutical industry.

I don't wanna talk about politics in this thread either. It's really about the game content.

But I will say this I live in Australia, in the 90's the government took all of our guns. Since then we have had 0 mass shootings.

 

Sandy hook was a terrible tragedy that breaks my heart. If something like that happens

Once. It's once too often.

 

Demolish any argument I have. I don't think so mate. Just say in'

I guess I'll start by saying you don't have, nor did you ever have a Constitutional right to own firearms so your situation is very different than here in the US from that aspect alone but since you want to compare, let's do so.

 

The Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. This was in 2002, 5 years after your gun ban. Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

 

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

 

•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.

•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.

•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

 

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

What a load of horse sh*t.

A growing crime rate might have nothing to do with a growing population then?

 

I'll let these guys sum it up.

 

[jolzew1]

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

How is no "reform" after a debate a joke? The politicians actually did their job for once and and voted in line with their constituents. The proposed reform would do nothing to lesson gun violence/crime in this country nor would hit have prevented any mass shooting in the last 10 years. It was nothing more than a party line BS dog and pony show. I could debate you for hours on this issue and use only facts to demolish any argument you have that was for this legislation but I don't want to clog up a gaming thread with a political debate. The American people have spoken. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Go look up the FBI statistics over the last decade and watch gun violence drop year over year while NICS increases. Over 80% of murders committed with guns in the US are gang related black on black crime. Sandy hook, Columbine, Aurora etc are the isolated minority of gun crime. Oh and by the way, Columbine occured during the AWB so how did that work out for you? You want to solve gun crime in this country? Focus on gang crime and the pharmaceutical industry.

I don't wanna talk about politics in this thread either. It's really about the game content.

But I will say this I live in Australia, in the 90's the government took all of our guns. Since then we have had 0 mass shootings.

 

Sandy hook was a terrible tragedy that breaks my heart. If something like that happens

Once. It's once too often.

 

Demolish any argument I have. I don't think so mate. Just say in'

I guess I'll start by saying you don't have, nor did you ever have a Constitutional right to own firearms so your situation is very different than here in the US from that aspect alone but since you want to compare, let's do so.

 

The Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. This was in 2002, 5 years after your gun ban. Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

 

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

 

•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.

•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.

•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

 

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

What a load of horse sh*t.

A growing crime rate might have nothing to do with a growing population then?

 

I'll let these guys sum it up.

 

That's your rebuttal? Your logic is the only thing in this thread that's BS. Maybe we should ban slow cookers now here in the US due to the bombing in Boston. Then we can ban cars so there are no more drunk driving accidents. Then we can ban forks so there are no more fat people walking around destroying our health care system. The we can ban video games since these mass shooters are all FPS fans... The American people will decide what laws and legislation we want to implement but thanks for your concern, you seem very knowledgable

[SirTerning]

 

If you take the guns away it solves nothing.  People are killed everyday by other weapons other than firearms. If we gave our firearms up, well then we can consider all our freedoms out the Window!

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Anyways I personally would love too see a take on this whole debate in the radios in GTAV

[ultimatelizardman]

 

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Switzerland, Saudia arabia, Bahrain, Austria and the Czech Republic allow all law-abiding citizens to own firearms for self-defense, and all five of these countries have very low murder rates.

 

 

also, where are you getting your stats on China's crime rate?! their official government site?!

Edited May 6, 2013 by ultimatelizardman

[SirTerning]

 

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Switzerland, Saudia arabia, Bahrain and the Czech Republic allow all law-abiding citizens to own firearms for self-defense and all four of these countries have very low murder rates.

Yes exactly also Canada allows this too, but the big problem is just that in America(USA) it is just too easy to buy a weapon and after my knowledge you can get one in almost every store (I might be a bit off here). But again it lays not only on weapons, but also the news in America is just filled with reports about murders and everything so it may lay something there too and Americas grim backstory...

Edited May 6, 2013 by SirTerning

[ultimatelizardman]

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Switzerland, Saudia arabia, Bahrain and the Czech Republic allow all law-abiding citizens to own firearms for self-defense and all four of these countries have very low murder rates.

Yes exactly also Canada allows this too, but the big problem is just that in America(USA) it is just too easy to buy a weapon after my knowledge you can get one in almost every store (I might be a bit off here). But again it lays not only on weapons, but also the news in America is just filled with reports about murders and everything so it may lay something there too.

Canada does not allow the ownership of firearms for self-defense AFAIK.

[brucie_suckyou]

The victims shouldn't be a part of any joke.

 

The fact after a debate and a decision for no reform is a joke in itself.

A major target for lampooning on a talk back radio program I say.

How is no "reform" after a debate a joke? The politicians actually did their job for once and and voted in line with their constituents. The proposed reform would do nothing to lesson gun violence/crime in this country nor would hit have prevented any mass shooting in the last 10 years. It was nothing more than a party line BS dog and pony show. I could debate you for hours on this issue and use only facts to demolish any argument you have that was for this legislation but I don't want to clog up a gaming thread with a political debate. The American people have spoken. Shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. Go look up the FBI statistics over the last decade and watch gun violence drop year over year while NICS increases. Over 80% of murders committed with guns in the US are gang related black on black crime. Sandy hook, Columbine, Aurora etc are the isolated minority of gun crime. Oh and by the way, Columbine occured during the AWB so how did that work out for you? You want to solve gun crime in this country? Focus on gang crime and the pharmaceutical industry.

I don't wanna talk about politics in this thread either. It's really about the game content.

But I will say this I live in Australia, in the 90's the government took all of our guns. Since then we have had 0 mass shootings.

 

Sandy hook was a terrible tragedy that breaks my heart. If something like that happens

Once. It's once too often.

 

Demolish any argument I have. I don't think so mate. Just say in'

I guess I'll start by saying you don't have, nor did you ever have a Constitutional right to own firearms so your situation is very different than here in the US from that aspect alone but since you want to compare, let's do so.

 

The Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. This was in 2002, 5 years after your gun ban. Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

 

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

 

•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.

•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.

•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

 

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

What a load of horse sh*t.

A growing crime rate might have nothing to do with a growing population then?

 

I'll let these guys sum it up.

 

That's your rebuttal? Your logic is the only thing in this thread that's BS. Maybe we should ban slow cookers now here in the US due to the bombing in Boston. Then we can ban cars so there are no more drunk driving accidents. Then we can ban forks so there are no more fat people walking around destroying our health care system. The we can ban video games since these mass shooters are all FPS fans... The American people will decide what laws and legislation we want to implement but thanks for your concern, you seem very knowledgable

Yes, I feel that short video sums up your argument and my argument.

This is a video game forum after all.

 

Here is pt 2 if you like:

[jolzew1]

It's just not that simple to think banning certain tools is the answer to increased safety. You can't legislate sanity. Crazy people that are intent on doing violence will just pick another tool to execute their actions. Case in point, Boston. In China, the tool of choice for mass violence is knives, just like the mass stabbing at the school there.... disarming law abiding citizens only does one thing, make them defenseless about crazy people who are intent on hurting someone.

 

I apologize to the forum for taking this to a place of politics but when the comment was made about it being a joke that the gun bill was defeated here in the US it hit a nerve. I'm a life long gun owner and believe in our Constitution here. When you look at our history and how we had to fight for our lives from an oppressive gov, it's easy to understand why the majority of our population believe in the sanctity of our 2nd Amendment.

 

Okay, I'm done, at least we can all agree we love GTA!

[brucie_suckyou]

It's just not that simple to think banning certain tools is the answer to increased safety. You can't legislate sanity. Crazy people that are intent on doing violence will just pick another tool to execute their actions. Case in point, Boston. In China, the tool of choice for mass violence is knives, just like the mass stabbing at the school there.... disarming law abiding citizens only does one thing, make them defenseless about crazy people who are intent on hurting someone.

 

I apologize to the forum for taking this to a place of politics but when the comment was made about it being a joke that the gun bill was defeated here in the US it hit a nerve. I'm a life long gun owner and believe in our Constitution here. When you look at our history and how we had to fight for our lives from an oppressive gov, it's easy to understand why the majority of our population believe in the sanctity of our 2nd Amendment.

 

Okay, I'm done, at least we can all agree we love GTA!

That's right. I'm not trying to be a jerk or a troll.

Just looking out for my USA peeps. I was visiting NYC last year and had a great time.

( shooting at the batman premier happen while I was there btw)

 

We don't have guns in Australia but we still feel free and safe.

 

That's all.

[ultimatelizardman]

 

We don't have guns in Australia but we still feel free and safe.

 

1. You can't talk for everyone.

 

2. We don't have guns in Belgium and there are many people who don't feel free and safe (due to the fact that crime IS getting out of control).

[SirTerning]

 

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Switzerland, Saudia arabia, Bahrain and the Czech Republic allow all law-abiding citizens to own firearms for self-defense and all four of these countries have very low murder rates.

Yes exactly also Canada allows this too, but the big problem is just that in America(USA) it is just too easy to buy a weapon after my knowledge you can get one in almost every store (I might be a bit off here). But again it lays not only on weapons, but also the news in America is just filled with reports about murders and everything so it may lay something there too.

Canada does not allow the ownership of firearms for self-defense AFAIK.

Oh ok I was mistaken then, but does not Canada allow weapons in any way? I remember that I saw something about it not so long ago.

Oh and I am not here to argue.. Just trying to understand the big problem with or with not having weapons in America, there is many types of self-defense things you could learn as Martial arts for example..

Edited May 6, 2013 by SirTerning

[ultimatelizardman]

 

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Switzerland, Saudia arabia, Bahrain and the Czech Republic allow all law-abiding citizens to own firearms for self-defense and all four of these countries have very low murder rates.

Yes exactly also Canada allows this too, but the big problem is just that in America(USA) it is just too easy to buy a weapon after my knowledge you can get one in almost every store (I might be a bit off here). But again it lays not only on weapons, but also the news in America is just filled with reports about murders and everything so it may lay something there too.

Canada does not allow the ownership of firearms for self-defense AFAIK.

Oh ok I was mistaken then, but does not Canada allow weapons in any way? I remember that I saw something about it not so long ago.

Only "bear spray", blank guns and batons. And i've heard that criminals can easily sue you (and win) if you use one of these items against them in self-defense (although i'm not sure on this).

Edited May 6, 2013 by ultimatelizardman

[SirTerning]

 

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Switzerland, Saudia arabia, Bahrain and the Czech Republic allow all law-abiding citizens to own firearms for self-defense and all four of these countries have very low murder rates.

Yes exactly also Canada allows this too, but the big problem is just that in America(USA) it is just too easy to buy a weapon after my knowledge you can get one in almost every store (I might be a bit off here). But again it lays not only on weapons, but also the news in America is just filled with reports about murders and everything so it may lay something there too.

Canada does not allow the ownership of firearms for self-defense AFAIK.

Oh ok I was mistaken then, but does not Canada allow weapons in any way? I remember that I saw something about it not so long ago.

Only "bear spray", blank guns and batons. And i've heard that criminals can easily sue you (and win) if you use one of these items against them in self-defense (although i'm not sure on this).

Oh snap, ah ok now I see. For me who lives in Norway where we have almost no guns makes me wonder about this whole thing, but then again so are Americans wondering how we do not have guns to defend ourself..

 

Well I will stop here, don't want to aggro anybody ^^

Edited May 6, 2013 by SirTerning

[ultimatelizardman]

You do realize that America is maybe the only country in the entire world that rely on weapons as their freedom, and yet they have more deaths due to weapons than China ?

 

Switzerland, Saudia arabia, Bahrain and the Czech Republic allow all law-abiding citizens to own firearms for self-defense and all four of these countries have very low murder rates.

Yes exactly also Canada allows this too, but the big problem is just that in America(USA) it is just too easy to buy a weapon after my knowledge you can get one in almost every store (I might be a bit off here). But again it lays not only on weapons, but also the news in America is just filled with reports about murders and everything so it may lay something there too.

Canada does not allow the ownership of firearms for self-defense AFAIK.

Oh ok I was mistaken then, but does not Canada allow weapons in any way? I remember that I saw something about it not so long ago.

Only "bear spray", blank guns and batons. And i've heard that criminals can easily sue you (and win) if you use one of these items against them in self-defense (although i'm not sure on this).

Oh snap, ah ok now I see. For me who lives in Norway where we have almost no guns makes me wonder about this whole thing, but then again so are Americans wondering how we do not have guns to defend ourself..

 

Well I will stop here, don't want to aggro anybody ^^

Almost no guns? aren't there around 30 privately owned firearms per 100 people in Norway according to the latest statistics? (or do you mean almost no guns specifically for self-defense?)

[Agni]

It's just not that simple to think banning certain tools is the answer to increased safety. You can't legislate sanity. Crazy people that are intent on doing violence will just pick another tool to execute their actions. Case in point, Boston. In China, the tool of choice for mass violence is knives, just like the mass stabbing at the school there.... disarming law abiding citizens only does one thing, make them defenseless about crazy people who are intent on hurting someone.

 

I apologize to the forum for taking this to a place of politics but when the comment was made about it being a joke that the gun bill was defeated here in the US it hit a nerve. I'm a life long gun owner and believe in our Constitution here. When you look at our history and how we had to fight for our lives from an oppressive gov, it's easy to understand why the majority of our population believe in the sanctity of our 2nd Amendment.

 

Okay, I'm done, at least we can all agree we love GTA!

I've translated this post as "I'm a psycho redneck who wants to own his own personal amoury for no food reason".

 

People like you--psychotic Americans who are obsessed with owning murderous weapons-scare me somewhat. Remind me to keep my kids away from you.

 

The US has as much gun crime as Yemen by the way.

[ultimatelizardman]

I've translated this post as "I'm a psycho redneck who wants to own his own personal amoury for no food reason".

 

People like you--psychotic Americans who are obsessed with owning murderous weapons-scare me somewhat. Remind me to keep my kids away from you.

 

The US has as much gun crime as Yemen by the way.

People like you, who are obsessed with disarming the weak and vulnerable in the name of "safety" and/or "peace", really scare me. Honestly, your attitude and behavior remind me of eugenicists.

 

 

Also, more than 4/5ths of the "gun crime" in Yemen is in fact terrorism.