Trevor's personality and orientation.

[reform]

Yes, pull the homophobe card just like everyone pulls the race card if you don't like Franklin. I don't see the difference between gay or straight, but there's an obvious leap to make a character gay than straight. But yes. I like how you're a homophobe for every little thing now a days. For all you know I could be gay but still don't see a point. Makes you look stupid.

@Honest Bill- You're really going to compare a war story over someone's orientation. Give me a break.

Just calling it for what it is. Why is there a leap? Why do ingame characters need a reason to be gay, but at the same time not need a reason to be straight?

[TruDat]

Lol @ at the people saying there's never been a gay char in GTA. IV was full of homos.

[Honest Bill]

So my question to you is. When would it ever be so valuable to the plot? It sounds more like a distraction to me than anything useful. Which is exactly the point.

When would it be valuable to the plot to have a straight character?

What's the point of making him gay? It could go back and forth all day.

So there doesn't need to be a reason for someone to be straight, but there does need to be a reason for someone to be gay?

 

You're an out & out homophobe dude and nothing else.

Yes, pull the homophobe card just like everyone pulls the race card if you don't like Franklin. I don't see the difference between gay or straight, but there's an obvious leap to make a character gay than straight. But yes. I like how you're a homophobe for every little thing now a days. For all you know I could be gay but still don't see a point. Makes you look stupid.

@Honest Bill- You're really going to compare a war story over someone's orientation. Give me a break.

They're comparable because they are both just fictional elements added to a game character to add depth of character and advance plot. Just like any other character trait or piece of backstory. Being gay is no different to any other character trait, and all characters have to have character traits, so what's so special about this one?

[.dre.]

 

Yes, pull the homophobe card just like everyone pulls the race card if you don't like Franklin. I don't see the difference between gay or straight, but there's an obvious leap to make a character gay than straight. But yes. I like how you're a homophobe for every little thing now a days. For all you know I could be gay but still don't see a point. Makes you look stupid.

@Honest Bill- You're really going to compare a war story over someone's orientation. Give me a break.

Just calling it for what it is. Why is there a leap? Why do ingame characters need a reason to be gay, but at the same time not need a reason to be straight?

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

@Honest Bill-What backstory doesn't being gay add? As far as I know being gay and straight is not a big deal. You're either gay or you're straight, or bi or pansexual or whatever, who cares when it's in a fictional world? It adds nothing to the fictional world.

Edited May 2, 2013 by .dre.

[reform]

Lol @ at the people saying there's never been a gay char in GTA. IV was full of homos.

Who said there was never a gay character? I'm guessing they meant protagonist (though I have my doubts about Claude!)

[Jack0711]

Trevor reminds me of somebody that will go for anything with a hole in it.

[reform]

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

[.dre.]

 

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

A bigger leap as in a bigger change rather have them say, be straight like the rest of the group. But no you will say 'So gay people should just be straight like everyone else??!!! you homophobe!!!'. No, this doesn't apply to real life. I think some of you have a hard time differentiating real life and what something adds fictionally.

I remember when someone wrote in a GTA IV preview that Packie was gay just because he was joking around with Niko about dropping the soap. It didn't make a difference. And we didn't know or cared if he was gay/bi/ or whatever because it added nothing to the story at all.

Edited May 2, 2013 by .dre.

[SlappyPwnsAss]

Wha... wha... I don't even.

 

Are you serious?

Why would Trevor compliment Amanda's tits in the trailer if he was gay?

Tbh, i dont even know why im trying to explain myself. NO, HE ISNT GAY.

 

 

Some topics on here are RIDICULOUS

[Honest Bill]

 

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

In fairness i see his point to an extent. This is certainly one character trait which would cause controversy, so it could be regarded as a risky move from a commercial perspective. However that doesn't mean that they wouldn't add it.

 

SlappyPwnsAss

 

Why wouldn't he compliment her tits?

[.dre.]

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

In fairness i see his point to an extent. This is certainly one character trait which would cause controversy, so it could be regarded as a risky move from a commercial perspective. However that doesn't mean that they wouldn't add it.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I don't care if Trevor is gay or care if people have a problem with it. I wouldn't have a problem with it. My original question was..'What would it change?' 'What's the point?' 'Just to have a gay character?' That's it?

[Honest Bill]

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

In fairness i see his point to an extent. This is certainly one character trait which would cause controversy, so it could be regarded as a risky move from a commercial perspective. However that doesn't mean that they wouldn't add it.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I don't care if Trevor is gay or care if people have a problem with it. I wouldn't have a problem with it. My original question was..'What would it change?' 'What's the point?' 'Just to have a gay character?' That's it?

Yes but as i said you can apply that to any aspect of him... What's the point in having a bald character?

 

Also there are several sources of conflict that him being gay or bi could add to the plot, it's plain to see if you take just second to think about it.

[hocuspocus]

I think Trevor has no relationships because he is mentally unstable.. not because he is gay.

Just in the interest of clarity. I wasn't suggesting he had no relationships because he's gay. I was suggesting that Rockstar deliberately didn't mention any because they want everyone to like Trevor and for him to be poular, then when they 'out' him, people are confronted ith their own prejudices. You will be forced to give him a chance because he was already so popular, or else you admit to yourself that you don't like him specifically because of his sexuality. You can no longer deny your homophobia...

 

See what i mean? Maybe some people would be forced to give him a chance because they already thought of him in a certain way and the stereotypes are confronted.

I meant with women sorry.

Yeah i see what your saying. But Rockstar haven't actually said that have they? They just kinda didn't mention it. Everyone is supposed to assume that's why, but maybe they haven't mentioned it for a reason.

Nah he's too much of an alpha male to be gay. Stereotype or not I've yet to see one hyper masculine gay guy. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

Generalising a bit here?

 

I'm Gay and to be honest I couldn't care less if Trevor's gay , straight , bi etc yeah it would be cool to play a gay character but either way I think Trevor is going to be the standout character

 

 

Ps I have a deep voice

[reform]

 

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

A bigger leap as in a bigger change rather have them say, be straight like the rest of the group. But no you will say 'So gay people should just be straight like everyone else??!!! you homophobe!!!'. No, this doesn't apply to real life. I think some of you have a hard time differentiating real life and what something adds fictionally.

That doesn't answer the question. Why would one member of the group being gay be such a hard thing to deal with? I don't understand.

 

and @Honest Bill, why would it be controversial?

[Honest Bill]

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

A bigger leap as in a bigger change rather have them say, be straight like the rest of the group. But no you will say 'So gay people should just be straight like everyone else??!!! you homophobe!!!'. No, this doesn't apply to real life. I think some of you have a hard time differentiating real life and what something adds fictionally.

That does't answer the question. Why would one member of the group being gay be such a hard thing to deal with? I don't understand.

 

and @Honest Bill, why would it be controversial?

Because many people would hate it.

[reform]

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

A bigger leap as in a bigger change rather have them say, be straight like the rest of the group. But no you will say 'So gay people should just be straight like everyone else??!!! you homophobe!!!'. No, this doesn't apply to real life. I think some of you have a hard time differentiating real life and what something adds fictionally.

That does't answer the question. Why would one member of the group being gay be such a hard thing to deal with? I don't understand.

 

and @Honest Bill, why would it be controversial?

Because many people would hate it.

Yeah, and why? You see what I'm getting at here?

[trevors685]

He isn't gay.

[.dre.]

 

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

A bigger leap as in a bigger change rather have them say, be straight like the rest of the group. But no you will say 'So gay people should just be straight like everyone else??!!! you homophobe!!!'. No, this doesn't apply to real life. I think some of you have a hard time differentiating real life and what something adds fictionally.

That doesn't answer the question. Why would one member of the group being gay be such a hard thing to deal with? I don't understand.

 

and @Honest Bill, why would it be controversial?

I didn't say it was a hard thing to deal with. I asked what the point of it would be which is why I question your comprehension skills.

@Honest Bill- He's bald because it shows he's older. Answered. Next?

[Honest Bill]

 

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

A bigger leap as in a bigger change rather have them say, be straight like the rest of the group. But no you will say 'So gay people should just be straight like everyone else??!!! you homophobe!!!'. No, this doesn't apply to real life. I think some of you have a hard time differentiating real life and what something adds fictionally.

That does't answer the question. Why would one member of the group being gay be such a hard thing to deal with? I don't understand.

 

and @Honest Bill, why would it be controversial?

Because many people would hate it.

Yeah, and why? You see what I'm getting at here?

Yes i do, but just because it shouldn't be controversial, doesn't mean it wouldn't. As it stands i can't think of any other game that's done it. We all know Rockstar likes to shake things up, it's part of why they sell so well.

 

Would people please stop posting the lapdance shot. We've all seen it and i don't agree that it proves anything. He could be bi, or just a gay dude who gets a lapdance. It isn't beyond the boundaries of comprehension.

[smokeysmokeonsmoke]

Nah not a playable character.

[reform]

I didn't say it was a hard thing to deal with. I asked what the point of it would be which is why I question your comprehension skills.

 

And I asked you what the point of characters being straight was...

 

By the way, they both have the same answer.

[Honest Bill]

 

No, you're not calling it what it is. If someone doesn't agree with you, you're the type to always pull the card to invalidate that person's argument. It's lame and redundant.

It's more of a leap because the majority of people are straight, that's why it's a huge leap. Use you're brain. You do have one don't you?

My brain's working overtime here, I guess it's just not powerful enough to understand your lack of any actual reasoning.

 

Why does people being straight mean gay characters are a leap? Explain it to me because I don't see the problem.

A bigger leap as in a bigger change rather have them say, be straight like the rest of the group. But no you will say 'So gay people should just be straight like everyone else??!!! you homophobe!!!'. No, this doesn't apply to real life. I think some of you have a hard time differentiating real life and what something adds fictionally.

That doesn't answer the question. Why would one member of the group being gay be such a hard thing to deal with? I don't understand.

 

and @Honest Bill, why would it be controversial?

I didn't say it was a hard thing to deal with. I asked what the point of it would be which is why I question your comprehension skills.

@Honest Bill- He's bald because it shows he's older. Answered. Next?

He's openly bisexual because it highlights his antithesis to convention and his opposition to social norms... There you go...

 

Also Michael's older too why isn't he bald... It's simple. Because they decided they felt like giving hm hair. There's no mystery to it beyond that.

[.dre.]

Jesus, this is stupid. The character isn't even gay and even if he was, who cares? It adds nothing, but put it on your wishlist and maybe it'll come true. It'll add nothing but gay jokes and maybe if you're good enough for Rockstar you'll see some funny gay sex. Other than that it adds nothing. Pretty much sums it up.

To compare it to Niko's depressing and life changing war stories and asking the same question. 'What's the point of them being straight?' shows how little you guys know about fiction and how it reflects on real life. How traits in fiction are supposed to progress the story not just be like 'Hey here's a crazy wild character!...by the way he's GAY!'...'so what?' is my reply.

[Honest Bill]

Jesus, this is stupid. The character isn't even gay and even if he was, who cares? It adds nothing, but put it on your wishlist and maybe it'll come true. It'll add nothing but gay jokes and maybe if you're good enough for Rockstar you'll see some funny gay sex. Other than that it adds nothing. Pretty much sums it up.

To compare it to Niko's depressing and life changing war stories and asking the same question. 'What's the point of them being straight?' shows how little you guys know about fiction and how it reflects on real life. How traits in fiction are supposed to progress the story not just be like 'Hey here's a crazy wild character!...by the way he's GAY!'...'so what?' is my reply.

Sounds like the final rant of somebody who doesn't have any arguments left. You know a lot of fiction has gay characters in it when they could just as easily nt have gay characters in them. They do it because they felt like it. And a character being gay adds a readily available plot device given it's contentious nature, so it seems it's you who doesn't know anything about fiction...

 

All you've done is insinuate that i must be gay... Very classy argument.

[reform]

It would add a whole lot to society as a whole, buddy.

 

The more the mainstream is presesented with homosexuality as a normal and unremarkable thing, the better.

 

A playable character being gay adds more to society's well being than having just another straight one.

 

If a character being gay would cause you to respond "so what?", I'd say good, that's the right response. Isn't your response to straight characters the same? And if they provoke the same response, why should a main character not be gay?

 

*edit* also, yeah what Bill said.

[.dre.]

 

Jesus, this is stupid. The character isn't even gay and even if he was, who cares? It adds nothing, but put it on your wishlist and maybe it'll come true. It'll add nothing but gay jokes and maybe if you're good enough for Rockstar you'll see some funny gay sex. Other than that it adds nothing. Pretty much sums it up.

To compare it to Niko's depressing and life changing war stories and asking the same question. 'What's the point of them being straight?' shows how little you guys know about fiction and how it reflects on real life. How traits in fiction are supposed to progress the story not just be like 'Hey here's a crazy wild character!...by the way he's GAY!'...'so what?' is my reply.

Sounds like the final rant of somebody who doesn't have any arguments left. You know a lot of fiction has gay characters in it when they could just as easily nt have gay characters in them. They do it because they felt like it. And a character being gay adds a readily available plot device given it's contentious nature, so it seems it's you who doesn't know anything about fiction...

 

All you've done is insinuate that i must be gay... Very classy argument.

I'm not insinuating anything. Where did you get that from? I didn't see you jumping in when someone called me a homophobe out of nowhere. So keep that bullsh*t to yourself.

Like I said before, in a GTA IV preview someone mentioned that Packie might be gay. And if I remember correctly I think Packie did admit to having gay sex in prison. Ok, Packie might be gay, so what? It didn't add anything. Yet someone still thought it was a big deal enough to make a topic over it. Just like you. Why don't we try to find out if every single character is gay or straight? Why would it matter at all? My point is that your topic doesn't have any base and it's not eevn necessary to discuss.

@reform. Ahhhh yes. A gay, psychopath will definitelyflesh out gay cilvil rights. I can see it now. Bigoted Republicans will play GTA V and they will make gay marriage equal for all because Trevor was gay.

Edited May 2, 2013 by .dre.

[reform]

You're as obtuse as they come!

 

I'm not insinuating anything. Where did you get that from? I didn't see you jumping in when someone called me a homophobe out of nowhere. So keep that bullsh*t to yourself

He did, actually:

 

 

@reform.

 

Let's try not to start a flame-war.

 

[Honest Bill]

Jesus, this is stupid. The character isn't even gay and even if he was, who cares? It adds nothing, but put it on your wishlist and maybe it'll come true. It'll add nothing but gay jokes and maybe if you're good enough for Rockstar you'll see some funny gay sex. Other than that it adds nothing. Pretty much sums it up.

To compare it to Niko's depressing and life changing war stories and asking the same question. 'What's the point of them being straight?' shows how little you guys know about fiction and how it reflects on real life. How traits in fiction are supposed to progress the story not just be like 'Hey here's a crazy wild character!...by the way he's GAY!'...'so what?' is my reply.

Sounds like the final rant of somebody who doesn't have any arguments left. You know a lot of fiction has gay characters in it when they could just as easily nt have gay characters in them. They do it because they felt like it. And a character being gay adds a readily available plot device given it's contentious nature, so it seems it's you who doesn't know anything about fiction...

 

All you've done is insinuate that i must be gay... Very classy argument.

I'm not insinuating anything. Where did you get that from? I didn't see you jumping in when someone called me a homophobe out of nowhere. So keep that bullsh*t to yourself.

Like I said before, in a GTA IV preview someone mentioned that Packie might be gay. And if I remember correctly I think Packie did admit to having gay sex in prison. Ok, Packie might be gay, so what? It didn't add anything. Yet someone still thought it was a big deal enough to make a topic over it. Just like you. Why don't we try to find out if every single character is gay or straight? Why would it matter at all? My point is that your topic doesn't have any base and it's not eevn necessary to discuss.

@reform. Ahhhh yes. A gay, psychopath will definitelyflesh out gay cilvil rights. I can see it now. Bigoted Republicans will play GTA V and they will make gay marriage equal for all because Trevor was gay.

I actually did jump in when he called you a homophobe but it was an edit so you probably didn't catch it but whatever.

 

The whole put it on my wishlist thing sounded like an insinuation to me, but if i misread that then fair enough.

 

But as i already said, him being gay could be used in multiple ways for characterisation and plot. It's obvious and yet you keep ignoring it and saying it adds nothing. There are multiple ways it could be used to advance plot. And as you even said yourself, Packie did it in prison and it added nothing, so why wouldn't they add it to Trevor and use it for plot, if they were willing to add it to Packie for no reason whatsoever.

 

And none of this is necessary to discuss, and yet here we are discussing it. What kind of argument is that?

[.dre.]

 

You're as obtuse as they come!

 

I'm not insinuating anything. Where did you get that from? I didn't see you jumping in when someone called me a homophobe out of nowhere. So keep that bullsh*t to yourself

He did, actually:

 

 

@reform.

 

Let's try not to start a flame-war.

Good for you for pointing that out. *Clap Clap*. I didn't see that through arguing with both you and him and sifting through all the edits. You should be more ashamed that someone had to tell you to shut up though for being an ass. It would've been better if he pointed that out.

 

@Bill yea it added nothing for Packie so how would it add anything for Trevor? But anyway, I'm done, because this is not going anywhere and if it wasn't for us arguing this topic wouldn't have stayed up for so long because there isn't actually anything else to discuss. Good Luck with your topic though.

Edited May 2, 2013 by .dre.

[TheGodDamnMaster]

Yeah, I thought that at first. Especially when he threatened to get his dick out again. What was he planning on doing with his dick and the guy who's supposed to give him a massage?