Life Sentence vs Death Sentence

[ExtremoMania]

Our country has a different case of handling life sentenced people. Sometimes after spending a later life sentence, probably for about 20 years maximum, government would soon give parolee for serving his/her imprisonment.

[Dick Valor]

 

In the US of A, we execute people, to show others, that killing someone is wrong. The logic in this is absent.

You're right that the logic in this is absent, but your reasoning is flawed as well. The point of the death penalty isn't to show others than killing someone is wrong. The point is to discourage prospective murderers from committing similarly heinous acts. The death penalty isn't about a lesson in ethics... it's meant to be a practical deterrent.

 

Yet it doesn't stop people from heinous crimes. People who do these things have little regard for the consequences at all when they do it.

 

Increasing prison sentences or adding torture before death or whatever is not going to lower rates of heinous crimes. Laws do prevent people from doing things, but only to a point, after that increasing severity has no effect because the people that are stupid enough/insane enough to completely ignore the consequences are going to ignore them regardless of what they are.

 

And yeah, I repeated myself in the same paragraph haha.

You're wrong though. Just because murder still exists doesn't mean the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent. Actual empirical studies show that the death penalty is indeed better than nothing. The fact that Illinois had 150 additional homicides per year after a moratorium on execution shows your assumption is completely false: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7061100406.html

 

Of course, the genuine, empirically proven deterrence caused by the death penalty doesn't even matter since, when you get down to it, some people deserve and need to die. If you'd read the rest of my post, you'd know that people in prison are still dangerous to society, harassing and putting out hits on people in the outside world. Just look at this inmate's plot to contract an assassin to kill Justin Beiber: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world...6-1226537154625

 

Also, it's the principle. Someone kills and rapes someone you love and shows no remorse in court. Every day they spend in prison, they jerk off fantasizing about raping and killing said person, and they even send cum-stained letters to your family as a reminder. Sure, executing them won't bring back your loved one, but how does this honor their memory? And what do you do when their deranged cell mate makes parole and agrees to pay your family a visit, for old time's sake?

Edited April 20, 2013 by Dick Valor

[THEREALRIK]

 

I'd rather die than live my life in jail, but why should anyone get a life sentence in the first place? It widens a countries sustainability gap for one thing, and shouldn't we be doing everything we can to avoid a cost that does nothing for economic growth? Furthermore prison (or jail) has no rehabilitative benefit, so if we're keeping them in there for punishment the question comes down to how much should we deal? Norway has decided on this; the maximum penalty for murder there is 21 years. Personally I think even that's excessive but these life sentences are ludicrous. People don't know the harm they do.

21 years is excessive? These people took one or more peoples lives. You wouldn't be saying 21 years is excessive if one of those lives taken was a family member of yours.

 

OT: its the worst type of punishment to be caged for the rest of your life, the fear of this is enough to keep people from doing the crimes

[Zugzwang]

 

21 years is excessive?

Yes

 

These people took one or more peoples lives

and punishing these people accomplishes....?

 

You wouldn't be saying 21 years is excessive if one of those lives taken was a family member of yours.

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

[Clem Fandango]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

[THEREALRIK]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

[Zugzwang]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

There are other ways to punish people than by putting them in jail for decades

[Zugzwang]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

If the choice was life in prison or letting them go free I can say with 100% certainty I would want them to go free.

[Brad]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

If the choice was life in prison or letting them go free I can say with 100% certainty I would want them to go free.

That's mental. Regardless of any emotional aspect, do you not feel that allowing them to freely roam in the public domain is a threat to other individuals?

[Zugzwang]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

If the choice was life in prison or letting them go free I can say with 100% certainty I would want them to go free.

That's mental. Regardless of any emotional aspect, do you not feel that allowing them to freely roam in the public domain is a threat to other individuals?

This is a situation where I don't have the answer. The mental health system in the US (I can't speak for other nations) is a joke, and jail is just too horrible. I think we can all agree that something needs to be done to people who are a danger to society but I'll admit I don't know exactly what that is.

 

I believe that there are certain things that are so horrible that no one should be forced to endure them even if they deserve it. Even people who take lives shouldn't have to endure the pain of spending the rest of theirs in a cell.

[ForumName]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

If the choice was life in prison or letting them go free I can say with 100% certainty I would want them to go free.

That's mental. Regardless of any emotional aspect, do you not feel that allowing them to freely roam in the public domain is a threat to other individuals?

I think it's a troll, or at least I hope so. I find it hard to believe anyone can think like this.

[THEREALRIK]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

If the choice was life in prison or letting them go free I can say with 100% certainty I would want them to go free.

That's mental. Regardless of any emotional aspect, do you not feel that allowing them to freely roam in the public domain is a threat to other individuals?

I think it's a troll, or at least I hope so. I find it hard to believe anyone can think like this.

I agree. That is craziness

[Zugzwang]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

If the choice was life in prison or letting them go free I can say with 100% certainty I would want them to go free.

That's mental. Regardless of any emotional aspect, do you not feel that allowing them to freely roam in the public domain is a threat to other individuals?

I think it's a troll, or at least I hope so. I find it hard to believe anyone can think like this.

...I believe something very different then you so I must be a troll or crazy? That type of post is simply not conducive to debate, it's not conducive to this thread, and it's condescending as hell.

[Clem Fandango]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

Yes, and I'd want them to be rehabilitated.

[Master of San Andreas]

They deserve it. They need to undergo the pain and agony that they caused to other people.

[THEREALRIK]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

Yes, and I'd want them to be rehabilitated.

rehabilitated how?

[Clem Fandango]

That's a pretty bold claim to be making about someone you don't know. Of course I would.

Yeah, I know if someone I know was murdered I wouldn't be pining to have their killer punished.

 

Who gives a sh*t?

So if someone mercilessly kills your mother or brother/sister, takes them out of your life, not to mention the pain and suffering your sibling or mother went through before their life was finally ended. You would be satisfied if the killer wasn't punished at all?

Yes, and I'd want them to be rehabilitated.

rehabilitated how?

Criminality stems from a disconnection to a society and/or a resentment thereof. They should be taught to live in society.

[Zugzwang]

They deserve it. They need to undergo the pain and agony that they caused to other people.

Why?

[Mr. Reaper.]

You're given the life sentence to suffer and repent for your wicked crimes.

 

The life sentence should be reserved for child killers, paedophiles and scum of those sorts.

Simply killing them isn't enough, they need to suffer for what they have done.

[Urban Legend]

We could make them build pyramids or something. haha

 

well, personally I've never been to jail. But my opinion on the matter is that everyone should live until natural death. No one persona should kill another. Were "human" for christ sake. EveryBODY has "hopes" and dreams.

 

I can't imagine telling someone they are to die. Or say hey, you aren't allowed to live anymore because you killed a family member.

 

Someone kills my family member? I don't want them to die immediately...I wanna let them know they are a piece of sh*t..EVERY.SINGLE.DAY.

[sivispacem]

Retributive justice is utterly moronic. Emotion has absolutely no place to play in legal proceedings. I don't care what the families of victims want; they should have absolutely no say as their judgement has been clouded by their personal relationship to events. The primary aim of justice should be to prevent the perpetration of further criminal acts- for which the US justice system is utterly abysmal.

[Clem Fandango]

 

Retributive justice is utterly moronic. Emotion has absolutely no place to play in legal proceedings. I don't care what the families of victims want; they should have absolutely no say as their judgement has been clouded by their personal relationship to events. The primary aim of justice should be to prevent the perpetration of further criminal acts- for which the US justice system is utterly abysmal.

The criminal justice system serves a number of social functions, reducing crime is not one of them.

[Zugzwang]

 

Retributive justice is utterly moronic. Emotion has absolutely no place to play in legal proceedings. I don't care what the families of victims want; they should have absolutely no say as their judgement has been clouded by their personal relationship to events. The primary aim of justice should be to prevent the perpetration of further criminal acts- for which the US justice system is utterly abysmal.

I agree with this.

 

The morally right action is the one that promotes the most amount of happiness. Condemning someone to life in prison causes unimaginable pain to them, and insignificant pleasure is created for the families. It is immoral. A properly constructed judicial system would focus on preventing future crimes, not subjecting the perpetrators of old ones to disgusting punishment.

[SRB]

I feel like anyone with a life sentence, me atleast would be constantly trying to escape at all costs. You have nothing else to loose so you may aswell.

 

Some life sentences have chances of parole also, even if it might be in 25 years...

[Zugzwang]

I feel like anyone with a life sentence, me atleast would be constantly trying to escape at all costs. You have nothing else to loose so you may aswell.

 

Some life sentences have chances of parole also, even if it might be in 25 years...

25 years is too much for anyone either. Try to put it in perspective; where were you 25 years ago? I'd try to answer that question but I wasn't even around. When people look at these numbers and say it's too lenient or just right it boggles my mind.

 

Furthermore do you know what kind of idiocy we put people away for? I have a family member who went to jail and he met this guy there who was having a fight with his wife; He wanted to leave the house and get out of the argument but she was blocking the exit so he couldn't leave- he picks her up, moves her about two feet and walks out. That man is in jail for ten years for moving someone two feet. Ten years. We CONSTANTLY send people away for huge chunks of their lives to punish them for things that lasted less than a minute. None of this sounds wrong to any of you?

[Master of San Andreas]

 

I feel like anyone with a life sentence, me atleast would be constantly trying to escape at all costs. You have nothing else to loose so you may aswell.

 

Some life sentences have chances of parole also, even if it might be in 25 years...

25 years is too much for anyone either. Try to put it in perspective; where were you 25 years ago? I'd try to answer that question but I wasn't even around. When people look at these numbers and say it's too lenient or just right it boggles my mind.

 

Furthermore do you know what kind of idiocy we put people away for? I have a family member who went to jail and he met this guy there who was having a fight with his wife; He wanted to leave the house and get out of the argument but she was blocking the exit so he couldn't leave- he picks her up, moves her about two feet and walks out. That man is in jail for ten years for moving someone two feet. Ten years. We CONSTANTLY send people away for huge chunks of their lives to punish them for things that lasted less than a minute. None of this sounds wrong to any of you?

They commit a crime and they get what they deserve. It's their fault in the first place. Death is nothing, just one move You won't feel anything, You have got to feel for what you have done.

 

The things that lasted less than a minute cause a lot of destruction or harm. It isn't about the time, It's the severity of the crime.

Edited April 20, 2013 by Master of San Andreas

[Master of San Andreas]

It depends on the crime. If the crime is too severe - Death sentence. Not so much - Life sentence.

 

I'll go with Life Sentence, I already stated this in another thread but - The criminals need to undergo the agony they caused to the other people. Death is just one move and your gone from the world, You won't feel anything.

[Zugzwang]

I feel like anyone with a life sentence, me atleast would be constantly trying to escape at all costs. You have nothing else to loose so you may aswell.

 

Some life sentences have chances of parole also, even if it might be in 25 years...

25 years is too much for anyone either. Try to put it in perspective; where were you 25 years ago? I'd try to answer that question but I wasn't even around. When people look at these numbers and say it's too lenient or just right it boggles my mind.

 

Furthermore do you know what kind of idiocy we put people away for? I have a family member who went to jail and he met this guy there who was having a fight with his wife; He wanted to leave the house and get out of the argument but she was blocking the exit so he couldn't leave- he picks her up, moves her about two feet and walks out. That man is in jail for ten years for moving someone two feet. Ten years. We CONSTANTLY send people away for huge chunks of their lives to punish them for things that lasted less than a minute. None of this sounds wrong to any of you?

They commit a crime and they get what they deserve. It's their fault in the first place. Death is nothing, just one move You won't feel anything, You have got to feel for what you have done.

 

The things that lasted less than a minute cause a lot of destruction or harm. It isn't about the time, It's the severity of the crime.

They simply don't. Look at the case of Lockyer v. Andrade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leandro_Andrade) we have put people away 25-life for stealing VHS tapes. What could possibly justify that?

[Master of San Andreas]

I feel like anyone with a life sentence, me atleast would be constantly trying to escape at all costs. You have nothing else to loose so you may aswell.

 

Some life sentences have chances of parole also, even if it might be in 25 years...

25 years is too much for anyone either. Try to put it in perspective; where were you 25 years ago? I'd try to answer that question but I wasn't even around. When people look at these numbers and say it's too lenient or just right it boggles my mind.

 

Furthermore do you know what kind of idiocy we put people away for? I have a family member who went to jail and he met this guy there who was having a fight with his wife; He wanted to leave the house and get out of the argument but she was blocking the exit so he couldn't leave- he picks her up, moves her about two feet and walks out. That man is in jail for ten years for moving someone two feet. Ten years. We CONSTANTLY send people away for huge chunks of their lives to punish them for things that lasted less than a minute. None of this sounds wrong to any of you?

They commit a crime and they get what they deserve. It's their fault in the first place. Death is nothing, just one move You won't feel anything, You have got to feel for what you have done.

 

The things that lasted less than a minute cause a lot of destruction or harm. It isn't about the time, It's the severity of the crime.

They simply don't. Look at the case of Lockyer v. Andrade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leandro_Andrade) we have put people away 25-life for stealing VHS tapes. What could possibly justify that?

That's different. That guy was unfortunate alright, But I was talking about the guys who kill people not who steal stuff.

 

Anyway, Sometimes it goes to the Court and it's the Court's decision to keep him in Prison, Which was kinda unfair for stealing video tapes. A much shorter sentence like 2 months to a year would have been acceptable.

[Clem Fandango]

That man is in jail for ten years for moving someone two feet. Ten years.

In all fairness, the judge probably thought he looked really dodgy.

 

 

 

It's their fault in the first place.

Oh, that explains why criminals almost always come from a similar socioeconomic background... oh wait, no it doesn't, on the contrary you ignore that fact and perpetuate the absurd delusion that all criminals are equipped to function in society but are just "bad people."