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Rhoda

To be honest, I think a new topic would be the way to go. Editing the first post completely wouldn't be a problem; Mokrie's the area moderator for WD so I believe he has permission to edit topics regardless of who made them.

 

I'm not too worried about numbers - even if we had five people, that's plenty of different stories and strands to be going on with.

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SRB

Exactly what I was thinking too. If we had a consistant 2-5 people, it'd be plenty. Any extras would just make it that much more fun.

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Mokrie Dela

I'd would be more practice to do a new topic - the bar 2.0 - but I don't mind editing the existing first post appropriately. This areas quiet enough that it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Either way, I don't like the starting from scratch idea; it seems a bit of a slap in the face to the existing topic to just discard it, as a lot of work went into it. Things are in the air enough that we can continue on, and with the pre-existing story threads, it's a good place to start in terms of tying things in.

 

So yeah, if someone wants to take charge of it, start a new topic. If not, bump the existing one and I'll edit accordingly.

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AEsob

Alright, guys, I think I'll bump the topic.

 

Should I drop Ziggy a message, in case he wants to join us?

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Mokrie Dela

It can't hurt, but I imagine, next time he's on, he'd see it anyway. Any suggestions for overhauls or format changes can be discussed here, and implemented. Great to see some interest in it again. Now let's bump One Shots, too! ;)

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Ziggy455

To be honest I think the overhaul of The Bar would do well to be restarted completely. I put a lot of code into the tables and whatever but I'm sure it can be changed and made so we have a new edition. If it's only five or so of us, we can keep the strands together. Problem with The Bar was that there was an over-saturation of characters when it should have stayed small.

 

Beyond that we'd need a way to regulate things only a teensy-tiny little to make sure nobody burns the bar down or sets fire to the town or runs-and-guns their way through two pints. The thing has to stay relatively grounded, as much as a story can with diverse characters like so. I'll be honest, I'm all for it. It'd be a nice thing to keep up with.

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AEsob

In that case we need a Omnipotent, Omniscient Bouncer. Quiet fella, but when someone wants to burn the bar down, the Bouncer comes in, breaks a few joints and throws them out.

 

Something like this-

 

 

 

AEsob

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Ziggy455

In that case we need a Omnipotent, Omniscient Bouncer. Quiet fella, but when someone wants to burn the bar down, the Bouncer comes in, breaks a few joints and throws them out.

 

Something like this-

 

 

 

AEsob

 

I was thinking more along the lines of an omnipotent GM or Story-manager that meant the bar stays in complete control, or manages special events at the bar like bar-fights, shootouts, or whatever.

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AEsob

Hmm, in that case, the bouncer is also the owner, a very dangerous gangster known as 'The King'. The bar is his realm.

 

If there's a bar-fight once in a while, it's all right, especially if there was some issue leading up to it, the king just comes in and breaks it up, makes the participants buy everyone else a drink. But if a troll comes in and bottles someone immediately, the king comes in, breaks a few dozen bones and dumps that troll in the dustbin.

 

If someone comes in with a gang of his own and decides to shoot up the Bar, King breaks out the heavy machinery a.k.a. the big guns.

 

Well, the idea seems badass to me, if anyone else thinks they want to approach it some other way, why the f*ck not?

 

Oh, and um, we'll post that song along with the lyrics as a gentle reminder of what happens to trolls who decide to run in and ruin the immersion.

 

King means the bar stays in total control, he's like the GM Ziggy mentioned.

 

AEsob

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SRB

I like Mokrie's idea. I'll bump the old topic if ya want, or if we all decide to make a new thread for it, we can have a "In honor of" part on the top of the new thread, with a link to the old topic. That way people can look back to see where the idea originates from, and maybe get the jist of the bar before they add their stories in.

 

Also, I don't think there needs to be an all powerful king, that controls absolute everything. People should be open to choices and whatnot, and I actually liked the idea of the bartender and the bouncer taking care of people who try to do crazy unrealistic things.

 

Or, we just have the owner/moderator of this thread, trash the trolls story if it's deemed unfit to progress the story. Meaning basically, whoever's story is just another wannabee Call of Duty kid who makes his character some nuts super soldier that destroys everything.

 

I'm definitely in 100%, I'm actually really excited to see people show interest in it after I brought it back up. I didn't think people would be into it anymore. And good to see ziggy back too.

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Ziggy455

So I can create a new and improved Bar that involves a few people. I might add some pics and little bit more description etc, etc.

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AEsob

You do that Ziggy, we'll be waiting. The Bartender and Bouncer duo sounds better imo, and I like the idea of the in honour of part.

 

Craig, Mokrie, you guys have any ideas?

 

AEsob

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Rhoda

As much as having a regulatory figure in both the bartender and bouncer, it sounds complicated. Who is going to take their roles? What rules do they go by? Personally, as long as everyone behaves and we have set rules to follow, we should be okay.

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AEsob

I think they'll be fully fleshed out characters, The Bartender doesn't have to be a regulatory figure though.

 

The Bouncer's rules:

 

Don't start sh*t, do not attack unless attacked first.

 

Do not threaten the bar, unless you wish to spend the rest of the night in a dumpster and the rest of your life eating through a straw.

 

Do not constantly pester the Bartender for your drink, and do not expect anything other than a glass of water and a 'f*ck you' if you behave rudely with the administration.

 

You are free to request for any music.

 

Do not provoke the Bouncer, if you think you love your joints.

 

Do not accuse the administration of watering down your piss-cheap beer, we do it so that you can drink more. (Actually it's up to you guys whether this one stays or not)

 

The stains on the wall aren't bloodstains, they're modern art.

 

Do not damage the property of the bar, if you do, then you have to replace it.

 

If the administration asks you to leave The Bar, do so immediately. Failure to comply will result in a ban.

 

 

 

 

I'll think of more later.

 

AEsob

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Mokrie Dela

Putting it simple, set a list of rules and any post that breaks that rule, we discard and I can hide. A heavy handed tactic but it's an option

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AEsob

IMHO, that tactic is too damn heavy handed. Having a Bouncer keeps that immersion we're going after pretty intact.

 

Plus, a troll comes in with his James Bond counterpart and starts capping people with a martini in his hand, he thinks he looks badass. But when Mr. King steps out, breaks his knees, hauls him outside, then breaks his neck, that's going to put a mark.

 

We won't tolerate trolls, although without a good barfight or a shootout once in a while, things will be a little boring. But we can handle those things, right?

 

AEsob

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Mokrie Dela

Troll posts simply aren't tolerated here. I wasn't entirely serious, just throwing an option out there.

 

The problem with the bouncer idea is, if someone comes in and shoots everyone, do we consider that canon? Will the characters then be dead? Or do we ignore it and move on. IIRC, the original had rules that your parts couldn't directly affect others' characters - so you couldn't shoot anyone. You could set it up, have your character pull a gun, but the actual trigger pulling would then be down to the other writer. We avoided that instance, to be honest, but it's good to have a plan in place. Having a bouncer is an idea i like, but my question is, as above, if some "james bond counterpart" runs in, and shoots one character in the face ten times with a shotgun, do we consider that canon? Hence my suggestion about simply paving over and moving on.

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AEsob

No, we keep the rules about pulling the trigger on someone, with the original writer deciding whether his or her character dies. In that case, we decide whether we edit the post, so that the not so properly cleaned shotgun doesn't fire and then bring in the Bouncer, or we just nuke that post and move on. I guess for first time trolls nuking is ok, with a warning that will follow. For repeat offenders, we edit the post and kill that guy in various painful ways.

 

We can have a trolls trolled section on the first post, with the names of the trolls and their writers that we killed.

 

AEsob

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SRB

The way it already was set up was fine. We can have like a "Give a chance" rule, where if you decide to directly effect another characters story, you must leave yours on the cliff hanger. Say Character A, wants to hurt character B, then character A's story should be something like this.

 

"In complete rage, he removes the pocket knife in his left pocking, jabbing it towards character B. Then Done. That way when character B picks up on it, he can continue it, and choose the outcome his character faces.

 

And as for trolls, the bouncer-bartender dou did a decent job. A thread moderator, appointed by the owner of the thread can decide whether or not said trolls post is worthy to progress the bar or not. And if not, it'll just be disregarded.

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Rhoda

Yeah, I would have thought it was common sense to not have people barging in like something out of a Western before emptying barrels into everybody. :D I say give people the benefit of the doubt with that one, maybe adding a rule;

 

Any character changing story arcs must be approved by that character's author.

 

I mean, who knows? Maybe the author is fine with their character being killed at some point? I know I wrote a character simply for the purposes of being killed at some point, so I could resume with my primary strand. The problem is, characters are going to interact with the bouncer and bartender for the purposes of a story so their personalities are bound to contradict at some point.

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Ziggy455

Sounds pretty solid. I can have a topic up in an hour or so.

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Mokrie Dela

Apologies if I've not made sense tonight. I've been hit suddenly by the 12:49 flu express from feellikesh*tsville...

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Ziggy455

EDITED FOR THE BAR.

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Cebra

So happy to see this place a bit more lively. Reviving The Bar was a good idea - like Craig said, even a handful of contributors is enough to keep it active, and the idea itself is good for a community with dwindling numbers. I'll definitely be part of it :^:

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Mokrie Dela

Stop it, guys, you're filling me with this strange, reeling of optimism!

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Ziggy455

I've got a bare-bones edition of The Bar up and running. We'll see how it goes from here before we start building it up more and more.

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Carbonox

Just in case the currently signed-up group of writers isn't enough, I can also give this a shot.

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AEsob

YES! SO MANY PEOPLE, TOGETHER!

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SRB

Only two of us made our characters so far. Looking forward to see what comes out of the others here.

 

Read back through one of the old bar topics the other day, and theres some real gold in some of them.

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Ziggy455

I'm currently doing some rough notes for a character and will be throwing up my first official post probably tomorrow before work. Hopefully this'll take off with a small band of talented writers like before.

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