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GreatScott04

It would have to be new material as I don't have any of my old stuff anymore, so it will take a few weeks to produce anything post-worthy.

 

But hell, it's beyond time I blew the dust off the old imagination. I used to enjoy writing so much. Be nice to feel that enthusiasm and passion again.

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Ziggy455

It would have to be new material as I don't have any of my old stuff anymore, so it will take a few weeks to produce anything post-worthy.

 

But hell, it's beyond time I blew the dust off the old imagination. I used to enjoy writing so much. Be nice to feel that enthusiasm and passion again.

 

It's like a muscle. It'll come back with practice, and with it, the enthusiasm and passion too.

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Mokrie Dela

Ziggy's right. Watch out for the muse or spark of inspiration, too. I tried a gta v ff and it simply didn't work. So I gave up and said I'll never write one.

But it hit me and I've written a lot this last week (being ill helped; time off work!) and I'm really feeling it now.

 

Don't matter if it's new or old, novel length or one shot, poetry or prose. Throw it up here.

 

Also if you see somefhing you like, share the url, and leave feedback.

Don't be afraid to go out of first page - there's some gems hidden within, like my two stories (in signature), ziggy's aforementioned gta FF, his max Payne one....

 

If you're rusty at writing then obviously practice but reading helps too, and flexing that critiquing muscle is critical as it builds your ability to edit your own work

 

Plus there's integrating yourself with the community. I really wanna see this place more active again. But with the right people (people who like writing and respect each other)

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Moonlight Traffic

I reckon Writers Discussion might be more active now that myself and Ziggy are back.

 

I forgot to mention it in my previous post but I'm working on a huge videogame concept / script as well as a backstory novella to go towards my Duke of Edinburgh award. I have until November so I think if I put in a few hours a day, I'll have them both done by then... I hope. But yeah, I'll likely post them here when they're finished too :)

 

After the massive amount of time I spent not writing, quite a few ideas flooded in so I'm pretty confident that I can pull this off.

 

It feels great to be back too ;)

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AEsob

Hey guys, welcome back Ziggy and 'Moonlight'.

 

SO, I am stuck once more, There's this mansion fight scene I have been planning out, well, more like a slaughter, but, whatever, I lack inspiration. If anyone can come up with any piece of writing that I can just see or something, I'd be grateful.

 

Also, I need to know that the third person narrator style I used is okay or not. Now I am not seeking attention, just want to know if the narration is okay.

 

And I also haven't been feeling very well, I'm running a fever playing basketball in the sun.

 

My brother has been adding his friends to my Facebook and uploading his pics, but I'm not in even one of them. Also, my profile has no pics of my own, that's confusing people, and I am getting par...me about it.

 

Best development this week, GTA V that will (hopefully) be installed and ready to play by tomorrow. (It's a bitch to install and update)

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Eminence

 

 

EDIT: I'm not sure what's driving me, but I'm getting some serious writing (quantity) in this GTA FF. I think i have a title too.

Honor Among Thieves. What you all think? What's it make you think of?.

 

Makes me think of Uncharted. I think you can do better to be honest -- it's a very well known phrase and so not only has it been used before, but it doesn't really suggest all that much at all! I'd try to find something that more uniquely represents the premise/themes of your story.

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Ziggy455

ziggy's aforementioned gta FF, his max Payne one....

 

I remember it! Somebody Else's Mess. I had a whole thing planned out! New York, Max protecting Passos's daughter and finally ending the story with Max having what he lost, a family, making his story come full circle. I might finish it up when I finish Portland Chase.

 

As for the name, Mokrie, I'm with Em'. Look at the story you're trying to tell, and find a title which is quirky and different. I've never been good with the titular aspect of my stories -Portland Chase is about a chase in Portland, hurr durr I need a new title--and I'm sure there's a much more appealing, mysterious title which could make people want to read. You just gotta find it.

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Mokrie Dela

Yeah I suspected as much. Titles arent my strong point. I am going to leave the title till last though - at least when it comes to committing

 

The shadow of man (my other project) is one of my favourite titles

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Carbonox

EDIT: I'm not sure what's driving me, but I'm getting some serious writing (quantity) in this GTA FF. I think i have a title too.

Honor Among Thieves. What you all think? What's it make you think of?

Isn't that the subtitle of Sly 3?

 

So with that, what it makes me think of is a story where a band of thieves with a code (the protagonists even? Then again that might be overly easy) are attempting to steal something, possibly not of any specifically high value even, from other criminals who are considerably more 'evil' than them.

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AEsob

Well, Mokrie, a name or phrase can be cliched, but that doesn't really mean that you are following that cliche to the end. By honour among thieves, you could show us that there is no Honour left. And as for Uncharted 2, many people, like me, for instance, don't have enough money to spend over PS3/PS4 games. So, for many people, that phrase doesn't mean anything special.

 

That phrase is like the term 'Omerta', though except the Mario Puzo Novel, it hasn't been used much. Just one request though, don't include the established characters from the HD Universe. You see, I prefer OCs in ff to established characters, except if it is Elder Scrolls. Those protags seem to be like Buddha, many incarnations.

 

Ziggy, you are writing Max Payne ff. Wonderful. haven't read good max Payne ff in a while.

 

AEsob

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GreatScott04

Nothing like sitting in the back garden in the sun with a nice cool glass of lemonade to spark inspiration for a little GTA V fanfic. First chapter is up.

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waxman.

Hey everyone - haven't poked my knob in here for some time. Thinking of writing some new stuff. Left Peasant Blurs behind, after contemplation. New beginnings from here. Maybe a revamp of PB later on - but it'd have to be re-written, thoroughly edited, corrected, etc. Have an idea for a story, but it's quite vague - which isn't entirely a bad thing, as a complex story can really halt you, i.e. Peasant Blurs.

 

It's been a while since I've written a fully, fleshed out plot. I am actually excited.

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Mokrie Dela

Good to hear coat. Feeling excited about a new project is a nice feeling

 

You're certainly one of the biggest contributors in this section, in terms of posting. Look forward to seeing what you come up with

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AEsob

Best of luck Coat.

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Moonlight Traffic

Good luck, Coat.

 

I have a question for you, WD. How does one begin a career as a fiction writer / author? Are there any tips or good places to start? I was just thinking about my future and I'm going to college soon and it'd be nice to have a sense of direction. I understand that few writers actually manage to get in to fiction as a career but it's honestly the only thing that I'm passionate about and I'm willing to dedicate my life to becoming a best-selling author. Whether that means hours of practicing every night of my life to hone my skills, it's my dream in life. I just need to know what I have to do.

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Mokrie Dela

Several factors, many of them variables.

 

Ultimately, you need something for the publisher to see and fall in love with. Sadly, many submissions are never read by anyone senior than the junior assistant, and even then, not all will be read. I don't know what it takes to get it noticed, but just sending a publisher part of your work probably won't be enough. Perhaps it's who you know..

 

I'd say your best bet is exposure. Get yourself writing on and self publishing - via blogs or writing forums. Get fans, get a twitter and get followers. I guess that's the modern way of doing things. With a fanbase, and hopefully solid critiques, maybe then you'll have weight behind you on trying to get it published.

 

But then there's e-books and self publication. Kindle, etc. If you've got twitter, and a few thousand followers, do you need a publisher? Putting your work up as digital, advertising and having these followers buy it, and spread the word... If you novel is in the top 5 downloads on Kindle, people would sit up and take notice.

 

 

But, nah, I don't have any real advice, to be honest. It's not something I've pursued. I'm not good enough for that, nor do i have any ideas unique enough. The key might be to find a niche and fill it. Perhaps Eminence or someone might have better advice.

 

That is, assuming you're ready to approach publishers.

 

Studying creative writing etc at college can only help, but i have no idea if they touch on how to get published/approach publishers. Add something like journalism in, as a backup, perhaps?

 

And you could be bold. Walk in to your local newspaper office and just arrange a meeting with the editor and pitch a concept of writing a weekly story/comic to be included in the paper - you never know :D

 

Let's see if anyone has any decent advice - from experience or whatever - sorry I can't be more of a help.

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AEsob

Every successful writer I know of, has a solid job to back his finance. Blogs, journalism, very good, but you need something so that while you think about writing, you at least have some food that you can survive on.

 

Being a teacher is a very safe option, that way you can't be laid off, or have no pay or something.

 

About publishers, is that they won't publish till they feel that they have solid means to make money, so you need a friendly publisher. i dunno, make friends with them, make friends with their family. It'll sound hilarious but you could try getting a girlfriend with a publisher dad.

 

Most aspiring writers quit because they feel that they are not getting celebrity status, or that they aren't making enough money. Money and fame will come, but it'll come slow, very slow. You need the two Ps. Patience and Passion. Are you pretty sure that it IS what you want to do? You need to think more, you need to decide for sure. You are, at most, eighteen-nineteen years old, you have your whole life ahead of you, are you pretty sure that you want to be a full time writer?

 

If yes, then you need a safe job, no freelance journalism, something that puts money in your bank account each month without fail.

 

Then you have to sit it out, work on a draft, and then get a book published. You have the talented people here at WD if you need help. You have your family, maybe, to help the draft?

 

Once publishers get interested, you get good critical analysis...then its for you to decide that you want to be a half-time writer or a full-time one.

 

I've heard that having a job with a writing project is pretty hectic.

 

Also, you CANNOT depend on book royalties to feed you, unless you are JK Rowling, then that's another story. But even the richest writer in the world had to write her book in a cafe and then had a publisher reject it.

 

That reminds me, Publisher opinions don't mean much.

 

I also have this article lying around about how to write a proper letter to a publisher, I don't remember very clearly but I am really sure that the publisher emphasised on research and narrative style, a proper satisfactory ending and editing. Oh, and the letter which goes with the draft, should be hand written, in a clear handwriting, with proper grammar and spelling AND YOU SHOULD NOT MENTION THE WEAKNESSES OF YOUR BOOK IN THAT LETTER. EVER.

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GreatScott04

Mokrie mentioned exposure, and I remember reading an article a while back about this being a huge part of the modern writers career.

 

It was about using social media to build a fanbase, and basically becoming "internet famous" so that your name stands out in a publishers inbox, because getting a publisher to actually pick up your manuscript - as opposed to one of the other thousands they receive each week - is half the battle.

 

Good luck mate.

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Mokrie Dela

I think in this day and age exposure is your best bet

 

Great point about a job - of course you need to earn, and have security

 

Tom Clancy was an insurance salesman when he wrote the hunt for red October

 

It is hectic and it is hard to get the time. You have to be disciplined.

 

Also make sure you have a writing environment. Wherever is comfortable but somewhere you can escape to and write - an office for example. Shut yourself off from distractions, no TV etc. some benefit from treating writing like a job - go to your office, shut the door, and don't leave for x amount of hours

 

Some work better laying on their bed, at 2AM. Some can only use paper and pen to do it.

 

 

Oh and the publisher is NOT your friend. He's a businessman. Don't make that mistake. Even if he is friendly toward you or an old school Buddy, that don't mean sh*t. Like you boss at work - might have your back or be nice but ultimately their priority isn't making u happy but making money.

 

Hell maybe you could approach one with an actual business plan, outlining the sellability of your work, I don't know

 

 

 

In other words, I'm having trouble connecting two plot concepts of my story. I have a basic trigger, quest and such. But it's missing they extra element, and I want to make it City of lies-ish, but I'm having trouble tyeing the two plot ideas together - I can't find an adequate reason for the conspiracy type storyline to present itself, other than having a guy pop up randomly, which would suck.

 

It's such a shame that GTA V's story has made JIF impossible to be canon, while COL is plausible to be. Would have loved to bring Rami in.

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Moonlight Traffic

Thanks for the advice guys, it helped a lot :')

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waxman.

That small piece I had written, 'Midnight Skins' seems somewhat familiar to the biker shoot out that happened in Waco, the other day. Odd.

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Osric

I want to write, but I don't know what I want to write about. I might do some fanfiction, but I am unsure.

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waxman.

I want to write, but I don't know what I want to write about. I might do some fanfiction, but I am unsure.

 

Haven't seen your face in quite some time. I'd be happy to give feedback on something of your work.

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Otter

I want to write, but I don't know what I want to write about. I might do some fanfiction, but I am unsure.

Just barf some stuff out. A lot of our workshops are visited by folks who want to write but are afraid to commit something to the page that isn't perfection.

 

...editing is your friend, and you can only edit after you've spit out a surplus of material. Start spittin!

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waxman.

 

I want to write, but I don't know what I want to write about. I might do some fanfiction, but I am unsure.

Just barf some stuff out. A lot of our workshops are visited by folks who want to write but are afraid to commit something to the page that isn't perfection.

 

...editing is your friend, and you can only edit after you've spit out a surplus of material. Start spittin!

 

 

That's honestly the best advice though. You see me post a lot in this section. Most of it is random material, but writing frequently really refines your skills.

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Mokrie Dela

Spot on, there. Like any muscle, to improve you have to work it.

 

This is why I value one shots so much. The topic where a subject is set - you write to that subject. A great way to practice writing.

 

As for ideas and such - they come to you. Be receptive to them. Sometimes they're disguised - you might witness a conversation in the street, or have a dream at night. Keep a pad of paper (or notes ap on your phone) with you at all times, and when the muse hits, don't let the idea slip.

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Osric

I have figured out what I want to write. It'd be a continuing story loosely based off of several role-playing games I played when I was 12-14 (I'm 21 now, about to turn 22 in a few weeks)

 

I am a fan of RPG's and have been since my dad introduced me and my younger brothers to Dungeons & Dragons when I was 10. I enjoyed D&D a lot but wanted some modern stuff too, and that's when we discovered New World of Darkness in the summer of 2005, around the time of my twelfth birthday. We had many a campaign over the years, and we used to play a lot of D&D and New World of Darkness stuff (and still do), but the story I want to write is based off of the over-the-top campaigns I ran (and tried to run) back in my younger days, back in 2005-2007, when we were all young and fun-loving, and would do silly, over-the-top crossovers with D&D and World of Darkness (I still remember trying to make Digimon fit both D&D and World of Darkness as well using somewhat broken and improvised rules I made myself).

 

Specifically I want to write a story based loosely off of the New World of Darkness setting, or more accurately, the setting as we understood it back in 2005 when all we had was the core base rulebook and the core rulebook for Vampire: The Requiem. We had werewolves, mages, and other creepy crawlies in our games too, but they were often different from what the actual depictions of them would be in the WoD books that would come out later (My earliest mage characters and NPC's in these Vampire: The Requiem games were basically the same as D&D wizards and sorcerers, using D&D spells adapted to the White Wolf rules as best we could and adjusted to modern technology).

 

There were also crossovers of Requiem with Resident Evil, D&D, GTA, Digimon, Sailor Moon, and Fullmetal Alchemist as well (I was twelve years old and my brothers were even younger, we didn't care if it didn't make sense in retrospect, it was cool to us at the time and we had lots of fun!)

 

Essentially, I want to write a Vampire: The Requiem fanfic in this context, possibly with fictionalized versions of my father, my brothers, and myself as well, playing the campaign and using the game table as a framing device, sort of a story within a story.

 

Especially since I am approaching the tenth anniversary of when I began playing Vampire: The Requiem.

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Gummy 

Any tutorials here on how to write stuff better? Like having a better choice expression or poetic vocabulary and making up metaphors of analogies like that?

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Flachbau

Sup fellas.

 

I'm not really used to this section, but I'm in need of some advice. I'll take anything I can get. I have a project based on Yellow Journalism and I was trying to brainstorm some eye catching head lines.. something that would grab everybody's attention. Sadly, they're sh*t, and I'm just clueless on what to write about. Has anyone ever done something like this, before? Could you give me tips or pointers?

 

Thank you

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Tyler

Just emulate yellow journalism itself and emphasize blood and violence in your headline along with a horrible pun containing the situation presented in the main article. "The Bilious Truth: Yellow Journalism and its Sickening Side-Effects" or something awful like that.

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