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Mokrie Dela

Baby steps.

 

Set yourself a little project - a series of shorts, a story in bite sized chapters... Type it up, upload it here s d well offer suggestions, of course.

 

Also read other people's works. See what works and what doesn't. Read other people's feedback and see what they're saying, and apply it to your own writing.

 

I have a guide posted here that may help a little over the actual process. Check that out.

 

Look into things like 'one shots' (the topic in this section). Seek out the gta chain story topics and take part.

 

Lastly, just write. It doesn't matter if it's crap to start with. Don't worry about quality, just write. Then look through it and improve.

 

Read books, also - you'll pick up so much that way. Read your old stuff and remind yourself - you're still that person, so you can still write to that quality - or better.

 

Don't hold back, either. Often I find the best characters have elements of yourself in them. Imperfections, struggles, etc. Your own demons can add to the characters or conflict.

 

 

I forgot to mention patience, also. It is important. Rush it, and you'll have typos, grammatical errors, and plot holes. Be throrough, be patient but don't set yourself too large a challenge. A 200,000 word behemoth might be too much. A 500 word shirt would be easier. Practice the basics, even if it means writing a short JUST focusing on perfect grammar and spelling, then one including perspective. Doesn't matter if you upload these or just use them for practice.

 

Even writing a 200 word short of poor quality will help. It'll show up areas you need to improve - we'll help - and you'll grow. The brain is a muscle and like bodybuilding, you need to work it for it to grow

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AEsob

Well, in Dwarf tongue...Confusticate Windows 7.

 

I just finished an entire Dead meat chapter (1200 words appx.) one hour ago. Shut the computer down. Had lunch, reopened, wanted to upload...just gone.

 

f*cking Gone.

 

Now I'm not feeling like restarting the chapter.

 

Damn this OS.

 

Feeling miserable,

AEsob

 

 

But you know what, maybe I'll let it simmer for a while...because I seem to have started writing...better than average fiction. I'll try my hand at a One shot.

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Mokrie Dela

I suppose I should say, save it to a flash drive and always save a back up. Set up auto save, etc

 

I've lost a whole story due to a HDD crash. Fifty odd chapters. Gone.

 

Good that you're writing though.

 

I've never had problems with windows 7. In fact I think it's pretty good. 8, on the other hand...

 

 

P.s. Don't double post :)

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AEsob

It's better as old as it goes. The most stable OS I've seen is XP Professional Sp3.

 

Win 7 is okay.

Win 8 is a huge steaming pile of ahem...Bullsh*t.

Win 8.1 is better comparatively, Don't know where Microsoft is taking Win 10.

 

Aesob

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Mokrie Dela

 

Yeah Im not a fan of 8 or even 8.1 I'd rather have 7. Xp was good

Still I've found Microsoft office and OpenOffice (what I use) to be reliable in terms of saving documents. I'd be inclined to check the save settings etc to see if anythings up

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AEsob

Okay, so, the document size reads 6 kb, 4998 characters, but there is nothing inside.

 

My Antivirus is acting up, so I'll replace it in a month (after the license runs out) and see what happens.

 

Anyway, I've been thinking of a new character for my story. Kabir is getting pretty tame.

 

I want something that's about 40 % insane.

 

I'll sit and draw something because I find it easier to draw and then write about a character, it helps to describe characters.

 

 

Aesob

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AEsob

Okay...cant find my digital camera, or I'd have uploaded some sketches of the new character.

 

Plan is...he calls himself Death. Real name...I have to think more.

 

While Kabir is solely motivated by revenge, Death has many motives. He wants revenge, plans a revolution, kills for money...and randomly kills bad people.He keeps a blacklist, and his primary target is Cathy Janus.

 

He was a clean-up/espionage guy who was loyal to Kabir before Cathy wiped everyone out.

 

He is shorter than Kabir, about 5'10/5'11 (Kabir is 6'4) Athletic, Tattoos covering his Torso and hands, and wears a modified mask styled as a Death's head.

 

Death practically deals in fear, and has little to no moral boundaries, he can kill, torture and dismember innocents without second thought, just to bring him closer to his Goal.

 

Tell me what you think about him.

 

AEsob.

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Mokrie Dela

I'd rather read about him in the story. Sometimes talking about things in your story gives away too much and we won't have anything to learn when reading. He sounds interesting but I feel that it'd be better to meet him in the story

 

 

Also please do not double post. Use the EDIT button if you need to add things.

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AEsob

Yeah, sorry, about the Edit thing.

 

Connections choppy, with the Antivirus updating for the past 20 hours...can barely get this page to load.

 

Need some pointers though.

 

What should I write about him?

 

More importantly, how should I limit him?

 

How to describe him, his laughter, his unmasked face, his hair etc.

 

Aesob

 

P.s. About Double posting...I do forget, I'll try to remember, and if I can't, please merge the posts together, I barely remember to drink water as it is.

 

 

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Mokrie Dela

Oh no, keep drinking!

 

Re: character - describing can be tricky. describing his face, I think keeping it simple is best. You don't want really long winded descriptions, and the reader WILL make certain assumptions. I think it's all about limiting those assumptions. Is his face round or square? Hard or soft?

 

His laugh - there's an opportunity to liken him to animals ; a laugh like a grunting of a bear, or cackle of a hyena. What is it that you're hearing? Loud or subdued?

 

Best advice is to try, one shots are good for this, and get feedback

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Osric

Wrote a stream-of-conscious one-shot called Living After Midnight to get me back into the groove of writing. The story is ostensibly about loneliness and boredom, but I literally wrote it as I went along. Hope you guys check it out. It probably sucks, but at least I'm writing something instead of just talking about writing.

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Mokrie Dela

Of course, yeah; I'll check it out soon :)

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AEsob

Okay, time to seriously work my ass off. Vacation is over.

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AEsob

Yay, Chapter's up. :cool:

 

It's a little short than I wanted, but it got goddamn depressing.

 

Well, I am now a chapter towards my goal.

 

Mokrie, Ziggy, anybody else who's in here, Read and tear it apart.

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Mokrie Dela

I'll check it out soon.

 

Don't worry too much if it's short. If it says what it needs to, then it can be as short as it wants.

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Del Perro Dog

Not to steal your thunder AEsob, but I'd also appreciate if people could start ripping into the prologue for Grand Theft Auto: End Of The Line.

 

It might be a bit long to do a complete analysis (2000+ words) but any kind of feedback would make me chuffed.

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AEsob

Yeah, I read your story in the morning Del Perro Dog, it's good, and I'm AEsob, not AEsorb

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Mokrie Dela

There's a perfect opportunity for you both to post feedback on each other's work here. That's how this little community works, and how it'd grow.

 

It's a skill we all need as writers and it's easier to critique others' work than your own as you're not as attached. Spotting spelling errors, grammar errors is a good start and you'll pick more up.

I'll check both out when I get time to go in depth but for now, why not a little quid pro quo between you?

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Del Perro Dog

Yeah, I read your story in the morning Del Perro Dog, it's good, and I'm AEsob, not AEsorb

Whoops, my bad, I seem to do that a lot with words. Hell it might even be in my writing! I'll check your story out in a bit and leave critique there.

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Yu Jian

Are GTA related stories welcomed here or would you consider them kinda cliche at this point?

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Del Perro Dog

Are GTA related stories welcomed here or would you consider them kinda cliche at this point?

GTA related stories are at home here

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Mokrie Dela

Of course they are. Stories of any subject/genre are welcome. Gta, rdr, Pokemon - whatever; if it's your story, throw it up!

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Yu Jian

Good to hear. I just didn't want to produce something cringe worthy or tacky, because I'd imagine plenty of GTA related stories have been made. I'm currently thinking about making a story based in the IV universe, but I'm not sure how to go by it. Any suggestions?

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Mokrie Dela

Fanfiction is a strange thing.

 

There are many GTA fanfics, and many of them are tacky. If you're writing something based upon someone else's work, you've got to bring something different to the table. Simply emulating the GTA your story is based on isn't the best idea. Like cover songs in music - what's the point in copying the original?

 

Examples I can think of are my two GTA fanfics - They continue Niko's story, but with a slight twist. Ziggy wrote one (Portland Chase) that was simply set in III's Liberty City. It did not revolve around the game or existing characters. Ask yourself, what's your plot, who are your characters? Would it work if it was set in the "real" world? Does it tie into the game you're basing it on?

 

Think GTA IV and EFLC. IV's the base, and TLAD and BOGT are, for the purpose of this post, the "fanfics" - they're written to tie in with the game, but offer something different to Niko's story. Different theme, different vibe, different characters, different story, really.

 

My 2 GTA FFs took Niko and plunged him into a different world. As said, Ziggy's had new characters.

 

I've also seen a few that are based on GTA O, which isn't a bad idea in terms of inspiration goes.

 

The usual story construction applies - plan it out, write it, let it sit for a while, proof read it, edit it, and post only when it's truly ready. By all means discuss it in this topic while you're still planning. We're here to help.

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Del Perro Dog

You could make something about an aspiring criminal wanting to hit the Bank of Liberty.

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Yu Jian

I'm thinking about doing something about the guy who Niko drove for Roman, Jermaine. I was thinking of tying him in with local criminals.

 

My second idea was doing a fan fic on Tavell Clinton, who in V is Frank's cousin and moved to LC. Maybe he could become a criminal of some sort, like Franklin.

 

The key for me is to avoid the fanboyism...I don't want to just incorporate my interpretation of IV's existing characters into the plot for the sake of having them carry on through my story.

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Mokrie Dela

Fanboysism shouldn't be an issue at all. You're not passing judgement on GTA V or GTA IV, but writing a story that, in essence, could be a crossover of both.

 

The two ideas you listed could work together - Clinton leave Los Santos for Liberty City, meets Jermaine. Would the story be a more gang/ghetto flavour?

 

a little tip: if you're writing heavily on existing characters, you have to really research them. Study them. While there's little they show, as they're very minor characters, you've got to really tear apart their appearances/mentions. Does Clinton talk to Franklin in GTA V? I can't remember but if he does (in person, text, email...) you have to really look into whatever character is present. Jermaine should be a bit easier, but you still have to really get that character alive in your mind.

 

How to do that? well, the most basic way is to just write. Characters sometimes develop on their own, and you want the characters to really be accurate.

 

The key here is to plan it out to start with. Know what your overal story is, what the themes are and what you want the story to say. Who's the main character, and what does he/she want? How does this tie in with the story you're planning? How does both of these connect to the settings?

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Yu Jian

Well from what I remember from Franklin's LifeInvader page, Tavell works at a Barista serving coffee. He moved in with two Jamaican dudes he can't understand, who in my mind appear to be LJ and Badman. I would write him as a reluctant criminal...maybe has experience as a youth dealing drugs but I'd like him to learn as he goes along.

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Mokrie Dela

That could very well be a nod toward LJ and Badman in IV. Or, it could just be any one of their gang. Or it might be two random non-criminal jamacians. That is all down to how you interpret it.

 

A word on LJ and Badman, though - you'll have to look at them a lot to get their characters down. LJ's a bit of a trick, but Badman is even harder - at least that's what I found when I put them in my 2 stories. You have to capture their speech while avoiding over-the-top phonetic spelling (which is difficult to read).

 

So far, you've got a couple of strong bonds to connect both games, and as a set up, that's alright.

 

But what of your plot and story? (obviously don't tell us all the ins and outs here!). Is it going to be a standard rags-to-riches story? Or the typical GTA-like story? You said about it being cliched - this is where that is decided. What your plot and story theme is will dictate that. What about something other than crime? IS it going to be your overt explosions and gunfights action story? Or is it going to be something more subdued? Character driven, or plot driven?

 

 

Firstly, you need to establish what the protagonist wants. Why has he moved to LC? What's his long-term goal? Then throw up obstacles and challenges. Brain storm it, write a few different plotlines, storyboard it, then write it, edit it, write it, edit it, etc.

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Yu Jian

Nice post. I've been brainstorming some ways I can take this further...

 

- Tavell could be a push over, and LJ/Badman could con him doing something above and beyond, but Tavell actually survives the task put in front of him.

- Jermaine hooks Tavell up with a job at the Pay n Spray after his Barista gig falls through.

 

Really I'm not sure who's the clear cut protagonist, should it be Jermaine, or Tavell? I'm thinking of starting off before Niko picks Jermaine up, and have the story span over a couple of years, eventually introducing Tavell into the picture. I want that gritty feel that was seen during the brief Playboy X/Dwayne part of the game.

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