Map Size Thread

[dewan2000]

^Was it not said that the land mass made up 3.5 times RDR and with the ocean 5 times RDR?

 

They never said it was just the land mass that was 3.5 times RDR. That area could still include the surface of the detailed part of the ocean. It's 5 times RDR when you include topography.

 

 

 

Choco Taco, I understand that principle now like I did the first time I ever saw it-- if an image has its proportions distorted, as is the case with a fisheye lens (used in GTA V), your method is completely useless. 

 

I'll post this again...

 

Those pictures have about the same amount of distortion. Notice the outward tilt in both images.

 

 

They're very similar and can be compared.

Personally I dont think they can be compared. To me, Downtown Liberty City looks alot closer to the capture point than downtown Los Santos is.

 

Los Santos In general looks a bit bigger, Beach looks further away and just everything looks more spread out. The buildings having a similar lean means nothing.

[SeaFoam]

As someone who's been around a while, I've seen this debate before. On EVERY RELEASE. Everyone debates for days, weeks, months... "Is THIS city going to be bigger than THAT city?" The answer is, and has always, stayed the same. Yes.

 

Well said Devyl

[Choco Taco]

 

The whole reason I made that was to show that you CAN'T use them to compare sizes

 

...and you failed. The only thing you accomplished was to show everyone here that you can draw imaginary streets onto a picture. Good job!

 

 

 

 

Los Santos In general looks a bit bigger,  Beach looks further away and just everything looks more spread out. 

 

How far off could the comparison be? What percentage?

[wwinterj]

Interesting topic. LS does seem "small" to me but with that said I believe we haven't seen much of the map so it could be bigger than we thing. Only time will tell.

[dewan2000]

 

 

@57:50 They have a guesstimate of how large Los Santos Appears to them. Now they didnt see the whole map below them. They said they got about a 200 degree view of it. But from what they said Los Santos Appeared to cover about 25-30% of the map.

 

Seems like a fair size to me. Id sooner believe someone who has seen the demo and seen the actual game, over those who are just judging stuff off screenshots where we havnt seen the whole city.

[ok then]

http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~zhounanl/homepage/...Angeles_jpg.htm

 

downtown los angeles isnt all that big. the biggest part of the city is the suburbs, and it appears r* included quite a bit of that as well. what did you guys want them to do... build mexico city and pass it off as l.a.?

[SuccessPastaTime]

The whole reason I made that was to show that you CAN'T use them to compare sizes

 

...and you failed. The only thing you accomplished was to show everyone here that you can draw imaginary streets onto a picture. Good job!

 

 

 

 

Los Santos In general looks a bit bigger,  Beach looks further away and just everything looks more spread out.  

 

How far off could the comparison be? What percentage?

I actually do see the lines starting at the beginning of streets. The streets may not continue fully down the line, I think it still follows a straight path if the streets continued.

[Choco Taco]

 

@57:50 They have a guesstimate of how large Los Santos Appears to them. Now they didnt see the whole map below them. They said they got about a 200 degree view of it. But from what they said Los Santos Appeared to cover about 25-30% of the map.

 

Seems like a fair size to me. Id sooner believe someone who has seen the demo and seen the actual game, over those who are just judging stuff off screenshots where we havnt seen the whole city.

The maximum land area would be 3.5 x 5.5 (RDR playable area) which would be 19.25 square miles. It could be less since they're probably including the surface of the detailed ocean in that measurement. Why wouldn't they include it - it's part of the map and Rockstar never said only the land is 3.5 times RDR.

 

CVG said Los Santos was 25-30% of the map. We'll take the middle of that - 27.5%

 

So, Los Santos would be at most 5.3 square miles which is smaller than a rectangular area around the islands of Liberty City.

[SmoothGetaway]

http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~zhounanl/homepage/...Angeles_jpg.htm

 

downtown los angeles isnt all that big. the biggest part of the city is the suburbs, and it appears r* included quite a bit of that as well. what did you guys want them to do... build mexico city and pass it off as l.a.?

There was a thread about this a few months back where I said pretty much what you did. People need to understand that the downtown area of LA (skyscrapers, etc) isn't that big, but that in no way means LA isn't big. So of course it's going to 'look small' especially if compared to say...NYC.

 

If you don't understand that concept then oh well...

 

[LAPD 85]

The Rockstar Defense Force is out in full force tonight. It's quite clear that LS is going to be smaller than LC. Deal with it Rockstar Defense Force. The only thing I ask is that since Los Santos is going to be smaller, that they drastically increase the amount of enterable interiors that are in the city. That's the only way they can make up having a smaller city than Liberty City, which was also small enough as it is.

[Meezarawcks]

The Rockstar Defense Force is out in full force tonight. It's quite clear that LS is going to be smaller than LC. Deal with it Rockstar Defense Force. The only thing I ask is that since Los Santos is going to be smaller, that they drastically increase the amount of enterable interiors that are in the city. That's the only way they can make up having a smaller city than Liberty City, which was also small enough as it is.

Well seeing as heists are a big part of the game I am sure there will be many enterable buildings. But then again i am part of the Rockstart Defence Force so you can disregard anything I say.

[dewan2000]

The maximum land area would be 3.5 x 5.5 (RDR playable area) which would be 19.25 square miles. It could be less since they're probably including the surface of the detailed ocean in that measurement. Why wouldn't they include it - it's part of the map and Rockstar never said only the land is 3.5 times RDR.

 

CVG said Los Santos was 25-30% of the map. We'll take the middle of that - 27.5%

 

So, Los Santos would be at most 5.3 square miles which is smaller than a rectangular area around the islands of Liberty City.

I believe it was said that if you include just the land area, it is roughly 3.5x the area of RDR. But if you were include everything from the ocean floor and such that is more closer to 5x RDR

[ok then]

The Rockstar Defense Force is out in full force tonight. It's quite clear that LS is going to be smaller than LC. Deal with it Rockstar Defense Force. The only thing I ask is that since Los Santos is going to be smaller, that they drastically increase the amount of enterable interiors that are in the city. That's the only way they can make up having a smaller city than Liberty City, which was also small enough as it is.

its quite clear? really? clear enough that it spaked an 87 page debate on which city is bigger?

[dxbrandon]

The Rockstar Defense Force is out in full force tonight. It's quite clear that LS is going to be smaller than LC. Deal with it Rockstar Defense Force. The only thing I ask is that since Los Santos is going to be smaller, that they drastically increase the amount of enterable interiors that are in the city. That's the only way they can make up having a smaller city than Liberty City, which was also small enough as it is.

Na, it's very BIG to me, not small.

[Choco Taco]

 

I actually do see the lines starting at the beginning of streets. The streets may not continue fully down the line, I think it still follows a straight path if the streets continued.

 

Let's look at bakerach's street lines and see if we can find the actual streets. Use the numbered lines to help line things up...

 

 

See? He's making things up. What if the layout of the city was different and the streets went on all kind of directions? Would that change the perspective? Nope.

 

You would need a perfectly aligned grid of streets on both maps to make any kind of judgment. bakerach doesn't know what he's doing. That's why he had to resort to drawing imaginary streets on Los Santos.

 

 

 

I believe it was said that if you include just the land area, it is roughly 3.5x the area of RDR.  But if you were include everything from the ocean floor and such that is more closer to 5x RDR

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/13/the...now-about-gta-v

 

 

Rockstar says the map is 3.5 times bigger than Red Dead Redemption -- 5 times bigger if you include topography

 

I don't see why they wouldn't include the surface of the detailed part of the ocean. It's part of the map. I believe Rockstar confirmed that San Andreas was 13.9 square miles. That measurement includes the water.

 

Anyway, even if it's only land and you take the full 30% estimate from CVG, Los Santos would still be smaller than a box around Liberty City.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Choco Taco

[driftnslide]

I actually do see the lines starting at the beginning of streets. The streets may not continue fully down the line, I think it still follows a straight path if the streets continued.

 

Let's look at bakerach's street lines and see if we can find the actual streets. Use the numbered lines to help line things up...

 

 

See? He's making things up. What if the layout of the city was different and the streets went on all kind of directions? Would that change the perspective? Nope.

 

You would need a perfectly aligned grid of streets on both maps to make any kind of judgment. bakerach doesn't know what he's doing. That's why he had to resort to drawing imaginary streets on Los Santos.

 

 

 

I believe it was said that if you include just the land area, it is roughly 3.5x the area of RDR.  But if you were include everything from the ocean floor and such that is more closer to 5x RDR

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/13/the...now-about-gta-v

 

 

Rockstar says the map is 3.5 times bigger than Red Dead Redemption -- 5 times bigger if you include topography

 

I don't see why they wouldn't include the surface of the detailed part of the ocean. It's part of the map. I believe Rockstar confirmed that San Andreas was 13.9 square miles. That measurement includes the water.

 

Anyway, even if it's only land and you take the full 30% estimate from CVG, Los Santos would still be smaller than a box around Liberty City.

I've already posted my response to what you're claiming in another thread, but here it is again since I guess you didn't get the memo:

 

According to most of the magazines, the "landmass" (exact words) is 3.5x larger than Red Dead Redemption.

 

CVG:

 

Rockstar promised a land mass three and a half times the size of Red Dead Redemption, a play area five times as big - equal to the size of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, GTA IV and RDR combined

 

Edge:

 

GTA V’s landmass is three-and-a-half times the size of Red Dead Redemption‘s; include the sea and the world is five times as big

 

Landmass is not a representation of surface area of the water and land. It is a representation of the land and only the land's square footage.

 

The map will be 5x RDR including topography and water.

[Choco Taco]

I've already posted my response to what you're claiming in another thread, but here it is again since I guess you didn't get the memo:

 

Got it.

[dewan2000]

See? He's making things up. What if the layout of the city was different and the streets went on all kind of directions? Would that change the perspective? Nope.

 

 

Umm if you opened your eyes you would see he is not going off streets but the BUILDINGS themselves.

[wallis]

 

See?  He's making things up.  What if the layout of the city was different and the streets went on all kind of directions?  Would that change the perspective?  Nope. 

 

 

Umm if you opened your eyes you would see he is not going off streets but the BUILDINGS themselves.

His lines are way off. Especially on the LC overlay shots. The lines on the left area of that shot don't line up with anything. It's one of the most amatuer efforts posted on here for someone proclaiming to be an expert in the field. But still at least he's made an intelligent effort to the Rockstar Defence Force's views, with some sort of evidence to his claims, which is more than I can say for the rest of them.

And to all those crying for a mod to lock the topic. It's too late, the secrets already out. The city looks small.

Edited May 16, 2013 by wallis

[GKP]

Indeed - most of the 'rebel forces' ie the small city camp seem to be more reasoned, happy to be wrong and use loads of 'maths' to prove our point.

 

The RDF (as we can call them from now on ) seem to be happy to praise the 'cult of personality' of R* and its propaganda.

 

In all seriousness - I SOOO want to be wrong, but the number of buildings on show in the observatory shots is clearly less than LC.

[Choco Taco]

Umm if you opened your eyes you would see he is not going off streets but the BUILDINGS themselves.

It appears he's using buildings, streets, and bridges - http://i.imgur.com/7RpZ5Lf.jpg Everything he's doing is all screwed up.

 

I drew some lines on buildings too. Check it out:

 

 

Every one of those lines is aligned with a building. That shows you how stupid bakerach's method is. He's picking certain buildings, forcing lines to look parallel, ignoring other buildings, drawing imaginary streets, and assuming bridges and buildings are running in certain directions.

 

 

 

 

[Ferocious Banger]

..And I thought I was a borderline fanboy.

[Freezer89]

 

You guys do realise urban areas require muuuch more processing power than the countryside right?

 

...and you guys also realise how much longer it takes to make urban areas, right?

You do realize what you just said is a loaadddd of bullsh*t right ? The city is the size it is because R* made it that way.

Yep. That Hobo guy is talking a fresh pile of steaming bullsh*t.

Unrelated of what he said: Yeah, just defend someone who called R* lazy bastards because they didn't include more areas which aren't needed for a reimagination of Los Santos in my opinion.

 

There were ten German bombers in the air,

There were ten German bombers in the air,

There were ten German bombers, Ten German bombers,

Ten German bombers in the air.

 

There were no German bombers in the air,

There were no German bombers in the air,

There were no German bombers, No German bombers,

No German bombers in the air.

 

Cos the RAF from England shot them down,

Cos the RAF from England shot them down,

Cos the RAF from England, RAF from England,

The RAF from England shot them down.

 

 

 

f*ck YOUR OPINION ITS f*ckING sh*t.

Pretty pathetic if you can't come up with a serious counter argument and just making a reference to german history.. but of course I forgot that ignorants like you can't do otherwise. How silly of me..

 

And I am not even sure what you're trying to say with these lyrics.

[wallis]

^Was it not said that the land mass made up 3.5 times RDR and with the ocean 5 times RDR?

 

They never said it was just the land mass that was 3.5 times RDR. That area could still include the surface of the detailed part of the ocean. It's 5 times RDR when you include topography.

 

 

 

Choco Taco, I understand that principle now like I did the first time I ever saw it-- if an image has its proportions distorted, as is the case with a fisheye lens (used in GTA V), your method is completely useless. 

 

I'll post this again...

 

Those pictures have about the same amount of distortion. Notice the outward tilt in both images.

 

 

They're very similar and can be compared.

Personally I dont think they can be compared. To me, Downtown Liberty City looks alot closer to the capture point than downtown Los Santos is.

 

Los Santos In general looks a bit bigger, Beach looks further away and just everything looks more spread out. The buildings having a similar lean means nothing.

The distance from top to bottom maybe debatable, but one thing I believe this does show accurately is the distance across the city is about the same as LC. The beach to the mountains looks like a 2 minute drive tops. And where is the 405 and the 101?

[Tracksuit Hitman]

Damn I would be disappointed if Los Santos isn't at least 1.25 the size of Liberty City (I mean the whole IV map).

Why? Los Santos isn't the whole of San Andreas. The whole of San Andreas would be waaaay over the size of Liberty City.

[Ferocious Banger]

 

Damn I would be disappointed if Los Santos isn't at least 1.25 the size of Liberty City (I mean the whole IV map).

Why? Los Santos isn't the whole of San Andreas. The whole of San Andreas would be waaaay over the size of Liberty City.

..And we aren't talking about the state of San Andreas here. The city - the traditional home of GTA - is what we are talking about.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Ferocious Banger

[bakerach]

Shaking my head at the "experts" in here lol...

[Ferocious Banger]

Shaking my head at the "experts" in here lol...

So, you are an "expert"?

[UberVIIX]

I really hope some of you realize you sure are making yourselves out to be f*cking jackasses... And, if your thinking yeah that guy I debated sure did, I'm talking about you too....

[bakerach]

Shaking my head at the "experts" in here lol...

So, you are an "expert"?

Obviously more than you or Choco Taco, who can't seem to comprehend one of the most obvious mythbusters in this whole thread haha...