Map Size Thread

[brian.]

The horse race track is 300x100 meters overall. It is a half mile track. For sure. Not sure who that helps, but that's the figure I got, and since it's nearby to my reference point, I'll say it's gotta be pretty much spot on.

 

But keep in mind that elevation and perspective are used in the blueprint map, and Magic Al's tennis courts for example is accurate for that area as well.

[kjacked]

the comparison pics you posted arent scaled properly at all. you basically made them look like you wanted them to look and then posted them knowing they arent even close to the proper size.

 

Nope. Those pictures are correct. I understand you're too slow to actually check for yourself, so maybe you can ask someone else to do it for you.

 

The image below is accurate according to your claim that the track is 600 meters end to end. We're going to see whose estimate is closer to the actual city size.

 

http://i.imgur.com/4UH9pER.jpg

i posted your estimate earlier... you guessed los santos to be about 1/3rd the size of liberty city which was a miserable failure of a guess. now someone thats already proven how bad they are at judging sizes is trying to tell me his measurements are spot on... gta iv is literally smaller than los santos even with the rivers between islands included and you guessed gta iv at 3x the size of los santos. were you trolling then or did your eyesight come back?

[brian.]

Liberty City is wider than los santos with the rivers not taken out from between its islands.

[kjacked]

Liberty City is wider than los santos with the rivers not taken out from between its islands.

it may be wider but it doesnt cover more area.

[josephene123]

Liberty City is wider than los santos with the rivers not taken out from between its islands.

Based on your estimate?

[Eutyphro]

Liberty City is wider than los santos with the rivers not taken out from between its islands.

Based on your estimate?

Even in Al's estimate it is, which I think is the largest but I might be wrong.

[Choco Taco]

Even in Al's estimate it is, which I think is the largest but I might be wrong.

kjacked's is the largest.

 

 

 

[kjacked]

 

kjacked's is my hero. ive downloaded pics of him to my computer and i look at them everyday.

 

 

thanks choco!

 

and chocos, which is the smallest.... map i mean lol

 

 

btw that comparison you posted above is off by quite a bit and its also made by you. im not surprised.

 

OT: los santos is bigger than gta iv with rivers included. ai's comparison should not have included the water outside the border islands. if he is going to include that he should include the water that borders los santos.

Edited August 7, 2013 by kjacked

[brian.]

Kijacked is double sized, that's why he thinks the horse track is a mile, it's a half mile though

 

@josephene, based on al's and mine, a medium in the middle, since mine is only accurate for the higher ground of the city blueprint, while magic als is accurate for sea level. Perspective (seemingly a lot in terms of fov because elevation doesn't seem that much to warrant this much change - and my 210 block is accurate, so it's gotta be perspective) is used for the blueprint (first time i ever saw a blueprint with perspective weird, but true)

[kjacked]

 

Kijacked is double sized, that's why he thinks the horse track is a mile, it's a half mile though

 

@josephene, based on al's and mine, a medium in the middle, since mine is only accurate for the higher ground of the city blueprint, while magic als is accurate for sea level. Perspective (seemingly a lot in terms of fov because elevation doesn't seem that much to warrant this much change - and my 210 block is accurate, so it's gotta be perspective) is used for the blueprint (first time i ever saw a blueprint with perspective weird, but true)

i disagree. someone did a scaling of the map using audi vehicles in the game. it showed the horstrack to be somewhere between 500m and 700m. im just wondering how many horribly wrong maps choco is going to create. he can put my name on it, but it still doesnt change the fact that he made it. as ive said all along, los santos is 10-20% bigger than gta iv. choco said hes always said los santos was bigger than gta iv, but that los santos would have a smaller footprint. the numerous maps he created conflict directly with that statement

[Magic_Al]

 

The horse race track is 300x100 meters overall. It is a half mile track. For sure. Not sure who that helps, but that's the figure I got, and since it's nearby to my reference point, I'll say it's gotta be pretty much spot on.

 

But keep in mind that elevation and perspective are used in the blueprint map, and Magic Al's tennis courts for example is accurate for that area as well.

Keep in mind, I didn't use only the tennis court surroundings to scale the blueprint: I used a stitched photomontage of the entire area covered by the camera move from Franklin's to Michael's position and treated that as one image to line up with the blueprint. To the extent that ground elevation varies from Franklin's to Michael's position, it doesn't significantly affect the alignment of the blueprint features with the photomontage. The depth of field seen in those shots is designed to exaggerate the height and perspective of the buildings, and as in the famous dolly-zoom shots of the films Vertigo and Jaws (GIFs attached), the corresponding effect is to flatten the background, which conveniently minimizes the elevation issue at street level.

 

[Eutyphro]

Kjacked and Choco: how much longer are you guys going to keep spamming this topic with your stupid argument? Do you think anyone gives a sh*t what kind of estimate one of you made half a year ago? Nobody cares.

[kjacked]

Kjacked and Choco: how much longer are you guys going to keep spamming this topic with your stupid argument? Do you think anyone gives a sh*t what kind of estimate one of you made half a year ago? Nobody cares.

how much longer are you gonna cry about it and post off topic

 

OT: los santos is definitely bigger than gta iv. we will find out exactly how much bigger sept 17th. til then what the hell else is there to talk about?

[Eutyphro]

how much longer are you gonna cry about it and post off topic

How often have you posted that pic of choco with a tiny Los Santos? Like 20 times? When will you post it again? I can't wait to see it again. I'm already starting to forget what it looks like and how f*cking old it is again.

[kjacked]

its a map he made comparing the size of los santos to liberty city.... check the title of the thread chief

[Njale]

its a map he made comparing the size of los santos to liberty city.... check the title of the thread chief

You forgot to mention when he made that estimate and that since then he made new estimates.

[kjacked]

 

its a map he made comparing the size of los santos to liberty city.... check the title of the thread chief

You forgot to mention when he made that estimate and that since then he made new estimates.

yes and his new estimates were wrong as well. not nearly as wrong as his old estimates. the problem i had with him is the fact that he lies. he made the claim he has never said los santos was smaller than liberty city. thats a lie. he knew of his previous comparisons and said it anyways so i called him out on it.

 

its one thing to be wrong, its totally another to be wrong and lie about being proven wrong. i guessed the length of the track to be anywhere between 400m and 800m. i was assuming it was prolly closer to 500m or 600m. that could be wrong. if im proven wrong when the game comes out im not gonna lie and say i never said that! thats just dumb. i also said rockstar wouldnt show gameplay footage pre release. i was wrong.

Edited August 7, 2013 by kjacked

[Eutyphro]

the problem i had with him is the fact that he lies. he made the claim he has never said los santos was smaller than liberty city. thats a lie. he knew of his previous comparisons and said it anyways so i called him out on it.

It's all a personal feud, so none of it is on topic. And nobody in this topic wants to read it. But you are right that I am posting off topic myself when I argue about it with you in this topic. So this'll be my last post about it.

[kjacked]

the problem i had with him is the fact that he lies. he made the claim he has never said los santos was smaller than liberty city. thats a lie. he knew of his previous comparisons and said it anyways so i called him out on it.

It's all a personal feud, so none of it is on topic. And nobody in this topic wants to read it. But you are right that I am posting off topic myself when I argue about it with you in this topic. So this'll be my last post about it.

wow!

 

OT: los santos is bigger/thread (til the 17th of september)

[Choco Taco]

 

You forgot to mention when he made that estimate and that since then he made new estimates.

 

Yeah, steroid boy conveniently leaves out when that picture was made, what areas are included, and any other context. Those pictures were based on head-on comparisons with images from IV to see how small the city could be and if other cities were possibly in the game.

 

The funniest part is that he had to search through over 1,000 of my old posts to find that picture.

 

 

 

the problem i had with him is the fact that he lies. he made the claim he has never said los santos was smaller than liberty city.

 

 

Give us a link to that. Oh, that's right - you can't because that's a lie.

 

You're a liar and you post pictures of yourself flexing your muscles to try to impress other guys on gtaforums.

[GKP]

I am rather confused to be honest after all this. I DID make a pain of myself over several hundred posts, as you know , I 'saw the light' and in general agreement with most of the forum.

 

Now - Magics great analysis seems to hold up in lower elevation parts of the map, not in the more northern areas though. Ie the 1m per pixel map

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9...in/photostream/

 

tallies well with the tennis court and road widths in the SW of the map. Trying the same near the northern part shows the elevation DOES make a slight difference. Ie the 5 lane wide highway which should be 25 pixels across, is actually 30 pixels. This makes sense as that part is closer to the POV of the 'camera'.

 

The biggest problem however is this '210m' block. Brians analysis is hard to deny, showing that the area he mentioned was approx 210m long. Using the same 1m pixel map of Brian shows it to be around 350/360m...that is quite a discrepancy.

 

I do believe Magics to be the accurate though - though again, Brians scale is correct too - what weird space distortions !....look at my analysis below.

 

 

EDIT - the highway is 25m across so the block below is approx 105m in length. That would still make the blocks to the right to be at least 300m NOT 210. Again, Brians screenshots does show said block to be 210m . How both facts are correct is beyond me.

 

 

Edited August 7, 2013 by GKP

[brian.]

Well, imagine we are high above the map - very high - in the middle of it. All the way in the middle, and we can look down at the entire map and there is extreme fov that we find in this game, especially when looking up and down.

 

Now imagine the way the outer edges of the map are squished and the center is not only higher, it's also less squished by the fov.

 

Now imagine taking a screenshot, creating the cool ass blueprint map, and then all we end up seeing of it is the perhaps lower left portion of it - it could explain the massive distortion, and why it isn't centered?

 

With the massive fov in GTA IV, it wouldn't be hard for me to imagine this.

 

I have an idea; someone go into GTA IV, and then go really high in the air (max chopper is enough), hover in a chopper or airbreak or something - now look straight down. I say do it over Bohan because it has elevation over the rest, but keep a good portion of the rest of the map in view if possible - however you go about it, get it where bohan is basically center screen, but keep a lot of other map in the corner of the screen where it will be.

 

Then, share that image, and let's see if we can reproduce the distrortion in the previous game? Perhaps that would give us a visual example of how this happened between getting the layout on an image and turning it into the blueprint.

 

@magic al - you won't perceive any difference in the overhead shots from the trailer because those are all the same height - it is when you look at the blueprint alone that you come to discrepancy because mine is fully accurate to that block I used, yet it makes the game 40% smaller than your estimate, and my estimate matches that area and makes the horse track 100x300 (precisely - too perfect to be coincidence in my opinion), makes for an 804 meter track, or 1/2 mile straightened out. No way that thing is 600x200 and 1 mile long, no possibleway, that would make it a half mile long, and bloat los santos to kijacked proportions. So, while they can fit over the map, they likely aren't as elevated raised - add it to the stuff above, it's likely just that.

Edited August 7, 2013 by brian.

[GKP]

Brian - that '40%' is a HUGE amount and would make LC smaller than LS by some margin if your scale is correct.

[kjacked]

You forgot to mention when he made that estimate and that since then he made new estimates.

 

Yeah, steroid boy conveniently leaves out when that picture was made, what areas are included, and any other context. Those pictures were based on head-on comparisons with images from IV to see how small the city could be and if other cities were possibly in the game.

 

The funniest part is that he had to search through over 1,000 of my old posts to find that picture.

 

 

 

the problem i had with him is the fact that he lies. he made the claim he has never said los santos was smaller than liberty city.

 

 

Give us a link to that. Oh, that's right - you can't because that's a lie.

 

You're a liar and you post pictures of yourself flexing your muscles to try to impress other guys on gtaforums.

you went back and edited your post. you are pretty pathetic and very dishonest to say the least

[Choco Taco]

you went back and edited your post. you are pretty pathetic and very dishonest to say the least

Give us a link to the edited post. When you edit a post, it says when it was edited on the bottom.

 

Put your steroids down, and post that link for us. We'll be here waiting, liar.

[LWE112]

I BEGG SOMEONE TO TELL ME answer 2 things....

1) is Los Santos bigger Than Liberty City?

2) If yes....what are people still arguing about then?

[josephene123]

I BEGG SOMEONE TO TELL ME answer 2 things....

1) is Los Santos bigger Than Liberty City?

2) If yes....what are people still arguing about then?

We don't know. We thought we knew, then we didn't, then we thought we knew again, and then we didn't... then, we were certain we knew, and now we don't

[rays727gta]

This thread is to big. So is GTA V bigger than Read Dead San Andreas and GTA 4

 

I just wont a RIGHT answer please

[MuffinMcFluffin]

This thread is to big. So is GTA V bigger than Read Dead San Andreas and GTA 4

 

I just wont a RIGHT answer please

This thread is about Los Santos only, not the entire map.

 

Somebody still might have your answer, though. It still might not be totally black-and-white, because there's no telling whether underwater area is also included in the calculations.

[kjacked]

Nothing's changed for me - I think Los Santos has a little more land, but it has a smaller footprint.

 

"Give us a link to the edited post. When you edit a post, it says when it was edited on the bottom.

 

Put your steroids down, and post that link for us. We'll be here waiting, liar."

 

boy thats strange... you said exactly what i said you did, and it was right here in this very thread

 

youve always thought los santos was bigger but it would have a smaller footprint... heres you map for comparison to your statement (lie)...

 

 

 

any more lies you want me to call you out on?