Map Size Thread

[GKP]

It might, but the '210m' block you highlighted is not THAT much above sea level. Bloody confusing this how both scales seem correct.

 

 

[GTAaLEX117]

horrible unfortunately . FB...hope you agree that I tried to defend the size ...Brian IS correct though. Check this out. A 1.7 mile or 2800m long Algonquin.

Brian , your 4500m is WAY larger than the extremes. My initial fears are confirmed. You CANNOT get LC into LS at this scale.

Brian, here is Magic Als scale...what do you make of it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9...in/photostream/

I dont know what to think anymore.

Judging by the road widths alone that looks horribly mis-scaled.

 

I'd say we go with Al's estimate since it's identical to Deff's estimate based on the car widths.

Btw brian, I thought you agreed with my scale on page 327?

[GKP]

Quite so Lex, but its hard to argue with Brians '210m' block if you really look at it.

 

EDIT - Brian, out of interest. The elevation WOULD of made the 25 m 5 lane highway APPEAR 30m , as it does in Als scale.

Edited August 5, 2013 by GKP

[Northeern]

@Brian

 

Good work, though that scale bothers me. According to your scale the LS golf course is at least half the size of Middle Park in LC.

[GTAaLEX117]

Btw, in case this helps you guys calculate the distance better:

 

 

This section was taken from Deff's estimation, which is more or less identical to Al's scale.

[GKP]

GTA4 - I hope your not suggesting its SMALLER than half of middle park. That would make LS even smaller.

[GKP]

First a question: How tall north to south is algonquin claimed to be on the board?

 

 

Brian, that scale is pessimistically small and incorrect. By some margin. Check out Magic als large map and the associated scale.

 

It is not only based on the tennis court, but highway and smaller road widths.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9...in/photostream/

 

 

For one this suggest the stadium is only 150m long...Stadiums are at least twice the width of the pitch. Take a look at a aerial view of a football stadium

My scale is Within a 10 PERCENT! edit: I will entertain magic al and say up to 20 percent. Up to 20 percent, it's not a lot - it's 1/5 - I guess it can be viewed as a lot, but it's still close.

 

I assure you. You don't have to believe me, but it is what it is.

 

What is pessimistic about it? Those lines make it huge - slightly bigger than liberty, as we all know.

 

I play with the files. I know how big they are, in the modeling program.

 

Once again, here is the scale, I know it is correct within a small margin - I am "willing" to give you "ten percent" but any more is IMPOSSIBLE:

 

NO MATTER WHAT, this picture is accurate enough (and I give away, again, 10 percent, just for the lulz, and just in case, but it's right)

 

Magic Al suggesting use 6 meters (it's not, but if I did) that's 20 percent. Still not much difference. But it IS scaled correctly to those roads.

 

 

And using that, we get this:

 

So no, it is NOT pessimistically small - If I must accept any error, it is only a very small margin of error. As you can see by the method i used, even a person who does not work with rockstar files like i do can see there is not much room at all for error in my method.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9...in/photostream/

 

Its hard to argue with 210m for those two blocks. And hence the 'small' LS. I can see how Als scale is correct as well though. Hence the mindf*ck.

[Ferocious Banger]

I'm confused.

 

Edit: Should the sidewalk necessarily be 5 meters wide?

[GKP]

Lex Middle park is 600m long. That scale shows it being only 450ish according to measurements on the V aerial photo. Its too generous too V im afraid.

[PHOENIXZERO]

Here we go again...

 

[Toshio_maxoS]

 

I'm confused.

 

Edit: Should the sidewalk necessarily be 5 meters wide?

Yes me too. I pretty believe Los Santos may have the same size as whole Liberty City + Alderney ofc.

And then think about the Country Side... do you still don't got enough?

Edited August 5, 2013 by maxoS

[brian.]

Indeed, there is elevation discrepency - I find at first that the tennis courts are 15x7.5 meters on green, out to orange median that makes them 18x10 each - which is too small.

 

Scaling the image to that and testing it against the height of the woman (even being generous to her stance) she is 40% too small for average - the block over her is 1 meter. She is just over 3 feet there, so Magic's scale of this area is correct to me, plus, the roads in the image are too thin as well - they are about 6 to 7 metes by my scale and should be ten (I can tell by looking they should be ten)

 

So there is actually perspective and elevation does indeed play a role here. I'd say anything right in the middle of both of our estimates is on the money at this point. Never seen a blueprint with perspective before lol.

 

I can also tell by looking at Michael and the width of those that they are indeed closer to 12 meters than they are to 10 wide. Green part is 10 meters wide alone, the left over sides where the orange meets in the middle gets you the remaining 1.12 meters easily for sure, not 7.5 as my scale would make it.

 

So it's somewhere in the middle, probably on the modest side of approximation

 

[Dick Justice]

What's the deal with the Blueprint map anyway? I was just having a good look at it, and some of the roads are singular white lines (like the bridges that cross over the canal) instead of the regular black roads. Kind of hard to see exactly what is what.

[brian.]

It has had outlines and then likely a slight cutout filter applied to it, and probably some hand work, to make it look stylized and not like a straight out render or what have you, but there are some points which have been good for scaling (by using the screenshots that correlate, measuring those, and then using a grid of streets to match them up to their respective lot properties rather than one road between properties- a square needs to line up, unlike a single line which can be guessy and messy).

 

I've got an idea - let's try to find another screen like the one I used, which we can also place on the map - needs to have a few streets wide like that one I originally used, just in a different place of the map - I can repeat the method with a different screen, perhaps I can use michael's house top down screen - but it seems to be too close to the same scale as my original - maybe there are some other screens we can use though, any requests? Make sure to mark where it is on the blueprint also.

Edited August 5, 2013 by brian.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

Lex Middle park is 600m long. That scale shows it being only 450ish according to measurements on the V aerial photo. Its too generous too V im afraid.

Yet the highway widths clearly show that LS should be even bigger.

 

Brian., what do you think of this: http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/A...4/Realigned.jpg

While there's a big slope from N to S, the highways running from left to right should be straight. Furthermore, the slope only starts from the blue highway upwards, the rest of the land area in the photo is on perfectly straight land.

Edited August 5, 2013 by GTAaLEX117

[brian.]

I believe this image figures in as such. This considers road asphalt/tarmac only, no sidewalks in measurements. Add 10 meters to each number to include both sidewalks.

 

The bidge is outer edge to outer edge, including supporting structure outside of the roads (ie sidewalks), but not towers. The actual model probably figures in at 30 wide.

 

Might look impossible, but I keep second guessing it myself - it's probably right though, I think disparities are in zoom and aliasing of the image (some look a big wider and shorter, you can see some medians in an unmarked area of the LS portion fighting to show up on screen - left of LS's black circle, just barely crunched down and eliminated by the lanes around them)

 

edit: fix'd

Edited August 5, 2013 by brian.

[GKP]

Indeed, there is elevation discrepency - I find at first that the tennis courts are 15x7.5 meters on green, out to orange median that makes them 18x10 each - which is too small.

 

Scaling the image to that and testing it against the height of the woman (even being generous to her stance) she is 40% too small for average - the block over her is 1 meter. She is just over 3 feet there, so Magic's scale of this area is correct to me, plus, the roads in the image are too thin as well - they are about 6 to 7 metes by my scale and should be ten (I can tell by looking they should be ten)

 

So there is actually perspective and elevation does indeed play a role here. I'd say anything right in the middle of both of our estimates is on the money at this point. Never seen a blueprint with perspective before lol.

 

I can also tell by looking at Michael and the width of those that they are indeed closer to 12 meters than they are to 10 wide. Green part is 10 meters wide alone, the left over sides where the orange meets in the middle gets you the remaining 1.12 meters easily for sure, not 7.5 as my scale would make it.

 

So it's somewhere in the middle, probably on the modest side of approximation

 

Interesting post Brian.

 

The true figure probably is in between yours and Magics...closer to Magics scale I would say.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

edit: fix'd

Wait, I still don't understand why the 4 lane highway with no median (red circle) is bigger in LC.

I also don't really understand the bridge part, the space between the lanes in the bridge is easily the same size as a median so it should be the same size as the 4 lane + median highway in LS.

 

You can also note that the 4 lanes + median highway from V, in the comparison, is the same size as the simple 4 lane highway in IV (that's why I am suggesting that LS can be even bigger).

Edited August 5, 2013 by GTAaLEX117

[brian.]

between the bridge is 8 meters, just under 10 meter roads on each side, and one meter overhang = 30 meters (check it out in game, launch and call 359-555-0100_

 

The algonquin 4 lane, you may not have noticed, I changed the pic It's 20 meters wide, and the LS one with median is 25

 

Lines represent approx elevation

[GTAaLEX117]

between the bridge is 8 meters, just under 10 meter roads on each side, and one meter overhang = 30 meters (check it out in game, launch and call 359-555-0100_

 

The algonquin 4 lane, you may not have noticed, I changed the pic It's 20 meters wide, and the LS one with median is 25

 

Lines represent approx elevation

I'm going to have to check the bridge in-game.

 

Btw, I was talking about marking the LS 4 lane highway (red) as having a 15 meter width, while the LC one is 20?

[brian.]

I would give it 20, no problem, I can agree with that. It's either a 4 lane, or a 2 lane with median (think of the road in vice city near the hospital and marina, aka where the hunter ends up)

[GTAaLEX117]

I would give it 20, no problem, I can agree with that. It's either a 4 lane, or a 2 lane with median (think of the road in vice city near the hospital and marina, aka where the hunter ends up)

It's a 4 lane. I checked it in photoshop, I took the 4 lane plus median one, removed the median and brought the lanes together and compared it to that highway and they are pretty much the same width.

 

Btw, here's the bridge up-close:

[brian.]

the very outer lines are the edge of the roadway, not the sidewalks of the bridge equivilent, you know? we see asphault only in the pic.

[josephene123]

I lean towards Deffpony and Magic Al's, two different methods with near enough exact same result

[brian.]

It's within the medium between them, basically. What says 2000 on mine is really 2200 or 2400, max. It's about the difference of a couple blocks.

 

Magic Al's is correct, or correct enough for me to accept at least, for the south east portion of the map he scaled to. Perspect lies in the Blueprint though, and mine is surely accurate for the block in the north east area there. So somewhere in the middle since we know the tennis courts are definitely at sea level, and the blocks I did are up higher, just before the hill steep too much too fast for more city to go there.

Edited August 5, 2013 by brian.

[Ferocious Banger]

 

You can fit in LC and a bit more in Los Santos.

[Choco Taco]

I see kjacked is posting some images in the mapping thread that I made last year and he's intentionally not including any context because he's all butthurt about things I've posted about him here and on other sites.

 

Anyway, let's have a fair contest...

 

kjacked has only contributed one sizing method to this thread. He claims the track in Los Santos is a mile long. This is from 3 weeks ago:

 

 

 

He says the track from end to end is 600 meters long which makes Los Santos this size:

 

 

 

Let's compare his estimate to my estimate which I've had since December and see which one is closest to the actual map after the game comes out.

 

 

 

Keep in mind that kjacked had a lot more material to work with. I made my estimate before the blueprint, character trailers, gameplay trailer, and many screenshots were released. kjacked had all of that information so he has a clear advantage.

 

 

 

 

[kjacked]

I see kjacked is posting some images in the mapping thread and making me look like a fool. im really upset and cant stop crying. will anyone lend me a shoulder to cry on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have stated numerous times that the length of the track from start line to finish line is a mile. that would mean the length from north to south would have to be between 800m and 400m. it is likely somewhere between 500m and 600m which would mean three of them end to end would be give or take a mile. three 500m tracks would be 1500m and three 600m tracks would be 1800m with a mile at 1600m. this would fit damn near perfectly with the widely accepted scales here on the los santos size thread. the comparison pics you posted arent scaled properly at all. you basically made them look like you wanted them to look and then posted them knowing they arent even close to the proper size.

 

lets keep this in mind, the point of your post was to break my balls about my los santos size estimate. i have said from the beginning that los santos was 10-20% bigger than los santos pretty well spot on). lets look at your estimations...

 

 

 

 

 

wow...... not even close. i would call that a fail of epic proportions

[Eutyphro]

Jesus kjacked and choco taco. Nobody gives a flying f*ck. Please stop this recycling of ancient sh*tty posts that are totally irrelevant. Nobody wants to read your personal feud. It's boring and it's lame.

 

On topic: great work guys Even though it's constant nit picking I still find it interesting. But I don't really feel like anything is changing right now. I think GTAAlex's original road width method gave the first correct indication. And it's good that the other scales coincide with it too now.

Edited August 6, 2013 by gtaxpert

[Choco Taco]

the comparison pics you posted arent scaled properly at all. you basically made them look like you wanted them to look and then posted them knowing they arent even close to the proper size.

 

Nope. Those pictures are correct. I understand you're too slow to actually check for yourself, so maybe you can ask someone else to do it for you.

 

The image below is accurate according to your claim that the track is 600 meters end to end. We're going to see whose estimate is closer to the actual city size.

 

http://i.imgur.com/4UH9pER.jpg