Map Size Thread

[Ferocious Banger]

Off-topic:

 

Agent has been revived ( hurrah! ), and the game is set to take us "across the globe". This is also supposed to be genre-defining and I bet that this will be an open-world game.

 

Looking at the ambition of the project, are we going to get multiple cities across the globe ( Agent is obviously a next-gen game now ). I mean, look at games like Crew ( even though it's only a racing game ) for example. The equations are satisfied: Ambition+R* North+next gen.

Holy crap! Where does it say that? Looking forward to Agent FINALLY!!

 

Back on topic: Excellent work guys. I see GKP has turned to the light side of the force now!

Say what exactly?

I assume he means "the game is set to take us "across the globe". This is also supposed to be genre-defining and I bet that this will be an open-world game"

Oh yes, yes. I can easily see the game taking place in multiple cities. Cairo is a possibility too ( Agent was initially a PS2 game set in Cairo ). However, we can't be sure of what it is exactly in it's current state.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Magic Al - Great work, man! Can you explain to me how you arrive at the circle figure, please.

The histogram feature of graphics software can count the number of pixels in a selected irregular shape. The pixel count is a measure of area that can be used in the geometry formula to calculate the diameter of a circle from its area.

I really love your signature.

[Ferocious Banger]

Magic Al - Great work, man! Can you explain to me how you arrive at the circle figure, please.

The histogram feature of graphics software can count the number of pixels in a selected irregular shape. The pixel count is a measure of area that can be used in the geometry formula to calculate the diameter of a circle from its area.

I really love your signature.

By the way, thanks, Magic Al, for explaining it.

[5HT2a]

What concerns me is that there are only 150 or so blocks within Los Santos. Even if the areas are quite spread out an comprise more space than Liberty City + Alderny, this concerns me.

 

 

/Not trying to be a hater

 

//Seriously, though, LC had like 300 blocks and Los Santos appears to have about half of that

 

///Somebody talk me off the ledge

[Deffpony]

NY is just denser than LA. Its that simple

[wallis]

I'm still wondering about the size of LC + water BETWEEN the Islands compared to LS... seeing as there was never any real reason to travel around the water outside of the islands, I just don't count it.

Me too. For me this is the original debate. The rivers between the islands included, but not the ocean around it. Someone put a red line around LC and it's rivers in an earlier post. There will always be disagreement about exactly where the river becomes ocean, but I'll be happy with a rough estimate.

[Magic_Al]

The red area includes a more realistic "used" area of water, considering boat/chopper trips/races/chases around the islands as well as rivers.

 

[GlitzyTomb]

You've got to calculate the water in LS if you're going to calculate the water in LC

[Sept17th2013]

 

The red area includes a more realistic "used" area of water, considering boat/chopper trips/races/chases around the islands as well as rivers.

 

That has never made sense to me. Look at the streets size, it's like LS is too zoomed in compared to LC, so that's gotta be off scale. And yeah, resulting in LS being actually quite a bit smaller than LC.

[kjacked]

 

The red area includes a more realistic "used" area of water, considering boat/chopper trips/races/chases around the islands as well as rivers.

 

That has never made sense to me. Look at the streets size, it's like LS is too zoomed in compared to LC, so that's gotta be off scale. And yeah, resulting in LS being actually quite a bit smaller than LC.

very very poor attempt at trolling. do yourself a favor and actually look at the work people have put in on this thread so you dont look like such an uneducated idiot. there is solid math behind his calculations. 3 or 4 others have used different methods and came to the exact same conclusion. not to mention the gameplay trailer shows blocks in gta v are much bigger and all streets are not shown on the blueprint map. you honestly didnt even deserve that respons but i figured id help you look like an even bigger ***** than you already did. cheers enjoy your troll food

 

if there was a way to prove it, i would bet a decent amount of money that choco got a temp ban and this is his other account.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2013 by kjacked

[Magic_Al]

That has never made sense to me. Look at the streets size, it's like LS is too zoomed in compared to LC, so that's gotta be off scale. And yeah, resulting in LS being actually quite a bit smaller than LC.

It seems that way but it's only because the blueprint map is blown up from thumbnail previews too small for small buildings and alleys to show.

[Miss Darko]

Plus, the length of the airport runways would be smaller than IV's if you shrunk it any more. That wouldn't make any sense, either.

 

So, is this somewhat of a general consensus? I remember the last time I was looking here, most people agreed LS was way smaller than that compared to LC, even Magic Al's calculations. So what changed, was it the gameplay trailer?

 

Because I'm very happy with this size, ecstatic even. I was a bit disappointed with the previous consensus.

[kjacked]

Plus, the length of the airport runways would be smaller than IV's if you shrunk it any more. That wouldn't make any sense, either.

i noticed that the other day. the runways are the exact same length in the latest accepted size comparisons. it almost sucks because of all the work everyone put in but there was no way to know that the runways were the same length when both were scaled properly without using the methods that they did.

[Choco Taco]

The Los Santos runway extends past the point where it got cut off on the blueprint. At Magic_Al's scale, the LS runway will be longer than LC's. Plus, the LS airport will be cover nearly twice as much area as LC's.

[kjacked]

@ choco the los santos airport does look quite a bit bigger. also its clear the runway continues on, like you said, but do you think that is useable runway though? those buildings appear very close to the east.

[GlitzyTomb]

The red area includes a more realistic "used" area of water, considering boat/chopper trips/races/chases around the islands as well as rivers.

 

That has never made sense to me. Look at the streets size, it's like LS is too zoomed in compared to LC, so that's gotta be off scale. And yeah, resulting in LS being actually quite a bit smaller than LC.

very very poor attempt at trolling. do yourself a favor and actually look at the work people have put in on this thread so you dont look like such an uneducated idiot. there is solid math behind his calculations. 3 or 4 others have used different methods and came to the exact same conclusion. not to mention the gameplay trailer shows blocks in gta v are much bigger and all streets are not shown on the blueprint map. you honestly didnt even deserve that respons but i figured id help you look like an even bigger ***** than you already did. cheers enjoy your troll food

 

if there was a way to prove it, i would bet a decent amount of money that choco got a temp ban and this is his other account.

Kjacked, you really need to shut the f*ck up about Choco before you get a fourth warning in this same damn thread. Again and again you push it to the absolute limit until someone comes in and tells you to stop. Then you disappear for a day or two before popping up again and getting right back at it. Between that and telling mods to get back on topic when they give you your monthly warning I'm amazed you haven't been banned yet

 

Also

 

In regard to counting a certain amount of water along the border of LC as it was part of the gamescape in which you had races and missions took place and all that....

 

I wonder how much of the water bordering Los Santos will be part of the world you actually explore as part of a mission or side mission. The West Coast has a lot of ocean and is kind of associated with it's ocean. Will we have drug runners along the coast? Surfers? Sharks? Organized Jet Ski racing?

 

They could easily make all the missions without venturing into the water much at all...but then again without having much effect on the suspension of disbelief they could have us spending a ton of time on the water. Just have to wait and see I guess.

[Miss Darko]

 

The Los Santos runway extends past the point where it got cut off on the blueprint.

I'm taking that into account, I don't just pretend that what I don't see isn't there. The upper runway does extend a bit more as it continues past the other runway, but the lower one would be same length as the LC runways. Using that measurement, it would stop right at the edge of the peninsula at the end of the released map, which makes perfect sense.

[GlitzyTomb]

I still wonder how far the world of GTAV expands South beyond Los Santos.

 

I could easily see it as the Southern Border, but from that first Special Edition map thing it seemed to be positioned somewhere closer to 2/5 of the way up. Or maybe from the top of 1/4 to the bottom of 3/4 up the map.

[Miss Darko]

Well that particular picture was digital, so there's no telling whether it's an accurate representation of where Los Santos is on the map. It's probably at the south end. The map makes it clear where the water is, so unless there's a big bay to the east of Los Santos and more land stretching further down after there (considering that the map shows water on all sides of LS except north), there's no further southern point than LS.

[GlitzyTomb]

Yeah you're probably right.

 

I'd kind of hope that the rolled up map indicated that it would actually be where it would be if it were on a map which was rolled up...

 

But all the screens and all the maps seem to indicated that there is not much South of Los Santos.

 

Was just wishful thinking I guess. Can never have too much map in a GTA game.

[kjacked]

 

Kjacked, you really need to shut the f*ck up about Choco before you get a fourth warning in this same damn thread.  Again and again you push it to the absolute limit until someone comes in and tells you to stop.  Then you disappear for a day or two before popping up again and getting right back at it.  Between that and telling mods to get back on topic when they give you your monthly warning I'm amazed you haven't been banned yet

 

Also

 

In regard to counting a certain amount of water along the border of LC as it was part of the gamescape in which you had races and missions took place and all that....

 

I wonder how much of the water bordering Los Santos will be part of the world you actually explore as part of a mission or side mission.  The West Coast has a lot of ocean and is kind of associated with it's ocean.  Will we have drug runners along the coast?  Surfers?  Sharks?  Organized Jet Ski racing?

 

They could easily make all the missions without venturing into the water much at all...but then again without having much effect on the suspension of disbelief they could have us spending a ton of time on the water.  Just have to wait and see I guess.

youre telling me to "shut the f*ck up" and breaking my balls about pushing the rules to the limit? me and choco arent into it for once and no one knows what you are on about. also, have you ever heard of a pm? you are obviously a wannabe mod/babysitter. they pm all the time. try it sometime. it may make you feel as important as scolding me does

 

OT: i would also like to know if it was truly just docks to the south why did they cut the blueprint image off where they did.

[GlitzyTomb]

I'm hoping they cut if off for quasi-nefarious purposes, hiding something significant, but unless they've digitally hidden them or removed them from the game for every screenshot they've taken...

 

 

[kjacked]

I'm hoping they cut if off for quasi-nefarious purposes, hiding something significant, but unless they've digitally hidden them or removed them from the game for every screenshot they've taken...

seems like someone on here posted the observatory screen in a different tint where you could see what looked like a blur where rockstar may have been blocking something from view. who knows

[GlitzyTomb]

Yeah I saw that, there's a spot a bit left of the middle where it kind of looks like a digital smudge or something.

 

If it were a larger area I'd be more confident that it represented them hiding another island, but with that small effected area I'm thinking it might just be a graphics glitch.

[Ryan]

 

GlitzyTomb & kjacked: Take your bickering to PM's please. Don't want to see any more of it in here.

[Choco Taco]

I'm taking that into account, I don't just pretend that what I don't see isn't there. The upper runway does extend a bit more as it continues past the other runway, but the lower one would be same length as the LC runways. Using that measurement, it would stop right at the edge of the peninsula at the end of the released map, which makes perfect sense.

We don't know how far the southeast part of airport extends. The LC runway length is in orange in the bottom picture.

 

[kjacked]

GlitzyTomb & kjacked: Take your bickering to PM's please. Don't want to see any more of it in here.

couldnt you have pm'd us that? everyone is playing nice, no one is bickering, and that entire post was off topic.

 

OT: i guess it could be a graphics error or glitch although i dont ever remember seeing anything like that in the past. what amazed me was the fact that it looked just like the blurry thing on cops that blocks out suspects faces. who knows. it would be neat if it was just a small island with seals on it or something.

[GlitzyTomb]

I'm taking that into account, I don't just pretend that what I don't see isn't there. The upper runway does extend a bit more as it continues past the other runway, but the lower one would be same length as the LC runways. Using that measurement, it would stop right at the edge of the peninsula at the end of the released map, which makes perfect sense.

We don't know how far the southeast part of airport extends. The LC runway length is in orange in the bottom picture.

 

So that runway is just about the same size as the one from GTAIV...awesome.

 

Looking forward to trying to land a plane on that thing.

[kjacked]

I'm taking that into account, I don't just pretend that what I don't see isn't there. The upper runway does extend a bit more as it continues past the other runway, but the lower one would be same length as the LC runways. Using that measurement, it would stop right at the edge of the peninsula at the end of the released map, which makes perfect sense.

We don't know how far the southeast part of airport extends. The LC runway length is in orange in the bottom picture.

 

So that runway is just about the same size as the one from GTAIV...awesome.

 

Looking forward to trying to land a plane on that thing.

anyone know how this runway measures up to the one near the prison?

[GTAaLEX117]

That has never made sense to me. Look at the streets size, it's like LS is too zoomed in compared to LC, so that's gotta be off scale. And yeah, resulting in LS being actually quite a bit smaller than LC.

What streets exactly? You can use a lot of reference points, like the 4 lane + median highway above Mike's house and compare it to the widest highway in IV, or the 4 lane + median + shoulders one from downtown which is bigger than any highway in IV. You can also use the 8 lane highway + median + shoulders and see if it's twice as wide as the widest highway in IV.

 

I don' think you really understand how massive the highways in V really are.