Map Size Thread

[KidAmnesiac42]

It sounds like GKP should be mad the specs of the Xbox 360 kept R* from making what he wants in his version of GTA V. Go write Microsoft and tell them they hurt your feelings :'(

[GKP]

Look, there are certain facts that cannot be argued with. Downtown being only 4 or 5 blocks from the hills and only 6 blocks from the beach shows the city is hyper compressed to the point of absurdity. You cant argue with that . Driving distances will be so short as to make every district seem too close to each other. Maybe thats a good thing though - too much of the V car physics may get annoying right ?

 

Just dont attack me , debate the points, not the messenger.

 

 

KidAmnesiac...except you don't really know what I wan't do you, or took the time too ask ?...All I did want were some decent sized suburbs for the 50 or so districts present in LA. Like a 10 by 10 block area to at least allude to surburbia...

 

People here do know that a compressed city means a very short LA river - a cool bit of LA that SA used, except 9 years later we will get a rendition not that much longer...enjoy driving on it for 40 odd seconds before running out of city ! f*cks sake - how anyone WOULDNT want a slightly larger urban area is a mystery.

Edited July 15, 2013 by GKP

[kjacked]

 

Um ..yeah they did - as in the 'square footage' of LS was larger than LC - which it clearly isnt.

prove it. there are countless comparisons in this thread alone showing los santos is bigger than the landmass of gta iv. all you dp is complain and say otherwise without a single shred of evidence. los santos is bigger... not sure why that makes you so mad. also the gameplay looked amazing! you seem to be the only person on gta forums that was upset after viewing it.

 

also, you keep bitching about how few blocks there are, it was proven that the blueprint doesnt show all of the sidestreets so please stfu already. you keep telling people to read the thread, if you had done so you would know this was proved after the gameplay release.

[Cilogy]

This is one of the most entertaining threads in our forum's history.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

Look, there are certain facts that cannot be argued with. Downtown being only 4 or 5 blocks from the hills and only 6 blocks from the beach shows the city is hyper compressed to the point of absurdity. You cant argue with that . Driving distances will be so short as to make everything district seem too close to each other. Maybe thats a good thing though - too much of the V car physics may get annoying right ?

 

    Just dont attack me , debate the points, not the messenger.

When the smallest blocks end up being this big, your point is basically irrelevant.

 

 

Secondly, and quite possibly the most important thing:

 

Rockstar cannot please everybody, just like every other developer out there. Even when something seems perfect for somebody, another person might think it's flawed.

Judging by this forum, the majority seems to be very pleased with the game. You are in the minority. So really, what point is there in whining so much? It's a game, it's a piece of entertainment, if you think you're not going to be entertained by it, don't buy it and move on.

Edited July 15, 2013 by GTAaLEX117

[GKP]

Size of stadium to city - compare = small city

 

Size of LS Bank tower laterally shows a city barely 2 miles across - barely . Small.

 

Dont like my posts - dont read em , dont respond to me.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

Size of stadium to city - compare  = small city

 

Size of LS Bank tower laterally shows a city barely 2 miles across - barely . Small. 

 

Dont like my posts - dont read em , dont respond to me.

See, this is what a troll does. When his points are refuted, he tries to find other things to complain about.

 

I said what I had to say. Have a nice day!

[AceHigh11]

This is one of the most entertaining threads in our forum's history.

The neverending debate topic.

[brwhizz]

Size of stadium to city - compare = small city

 

Size of LS Bank tower laterally shows a city barely 2 miles across - barely . Small.

 

Dont like my posts - dont read em , dont respond to me.

I think you might have autism: you're hell-bent on labouring your point. You've lost the fight - move on.

[Matthew_rocz]

Alright now could someone compare it to actual LA? Would be better on my perspective.

 

EDIT- @OP I seen a MOD/ADMIN say it was spam to just post an image without words.. So i guess this THREAD is SPAM.

[kjacked]

Size of stadium to city - compare = small city

 

Size of LS Bank tower laterally shows a city barely 2 miles across - barely . Small.

 

Dont like my posts - dont read em , dont respond to me.

you still proved absolutely nothing. the horse track on the northwest side of los santos is nearly a half mile from end to end. the city is huge. please quit with the nonsense. you already cause your girlfriend (gkpsupporter) to break up with you today.

[GKP]

Refuted lex ?...wtf ! - you showed a screenshot of a city block - a small city block - effectively backing up my statement that 5 of those blocks is not a long way. f*cking hell.

 

No it isnt Kjacked..that was disproven a long time ago. All GTA runways are 750m - use your f*cking brains...look at the size of the stadium and try and say that track is 800m from one to the other. Or the fact the half a mile covers more than 2 blocks.

Edited July 15, 2013 by GKP

[UtricularEwe001]

Look, there are certain facts that cannot be argued with. Downtown being only 4 or 5 blocks from the hills and only 6 blocks from the beach shows the city is hyper compressed to the point of absurdity. You cant argue with that . Driving distances will be so short as to make every district seem too close to each other. Maybe thats a good thing though - too much of the V car physics may get annoying right ?

 

 

These are not "Facts", these are your f*cking opinions which no one gives a sh*t. Only people are responding to you because it's very entertaining for us to watch how you FAIL.

[TrevorPhillipsEnterprise]

GKP, get out of this forum. You make retarded people look normal. Go to the doctors and get your head fixed, seems like you have deep OCD.

[GKP]

Utric - try and refute them then. Are you saying that there is more city to the map ? why the anger people . Lol...

 

Oh and whoever asked for a comparison. LS is smaller than LAX - far smaller.

 

[brwhizz]

We've seen Downtown, we've seen suburbs (in the 'blimp promotion' screenshot), we've seen ghettos, Hollywood, Beverly Hills, the Griffith obervatory, Long Beach, Santa Monica, the canals of Venice, and on and on, all comprised with what 99% of us would consider a good sized city: Is this still not enough?

[Knife]

I know people are frustrated by GKP's opinions but can we keep things more civil? If you don't like his points or think he's wrong, explain calmly why. It's just nonsense arguing at the moment.

[Jonny04]

Dale - virgin ?...really ?...come up with a decent rebuke to my earlier posts - and by that gtxpert I mean points several hundred posts back .

 

A quick overview of why a 3.5 sq mile representation of LA is not a good outcome.

 

1) - short city police chases

 

2) over familiarity within a few weeks of gameplay. With half the city blocks of IV you will know every corner, every district in no time.

 

3) A district or suburb being 4 or 5 square blocks is a f*cking abomination - why so tight over city blocks R* ? - technical constraint ?

 

3) The jarring effect of driving through the 'hood' , downtown and hollywood all within 90 odd seconds. What the f*ck is that ? No immersion - a miniature golf course sized city.

 

Other awful aspects of this game - slow jet speeds - check the MP footage - whats that...120 mph maybe ?...is this SA ? - As I mentioned , poor framerate - poor driving physics , amusing damage control by R* ...a tuned car eh ?..hugely unrealistic jarring handling . Look at the 2nd trailer - the infamous reverse 180 by the Aston Martin. It gets worse everytime I see more of this game.

 

Trolling ?...not over 2 f*cking years !

 

  As magic als map shows - how you expect to shoehorn in all of LC's landmass into LS is a mystery people. Its 2.8-3 sq miles tops , Absolute tops...3 sq miles ! - stingy motherf*ckers you are R* !!!!

I agree the jets looked really slow in the latest trailer (I thought the jet that flew by in the first trailer looked really quick though). I guess the speed of vehicles has to be scaled appropriately in relation to the size of the city, otherwise you'd cross the entire map in a matter of seconds!

 

I also agree that 'miniature golf course version of LA' is an apt analogy of the map (at least what we know of the map so far). But I fail to see how that's a bad thing?! Like Liberty City, we can expect LA to be a condensed version of its real life counterpart... that's kind of the point of 3D era GTA, or at least what the devs are aiming for: a microcosm of modern US cities.

 

Your expectations are out of line with the evidence Rockstar's previous games have provided.

Perhaps the original poster that you quoted didn't realise that Rockstar had to try fit that into a 1 second clip of a gameplay trailer, at a slow enough speed for the audience to appreciate it? (i.e If it flew past the window and had to turn quickly that close, at several hundred mph, it wouldn't work- least audience can appreciate the jet. It was more like a shout out from R* saying "HEY JETS ARE IN GTA ONLINE". No doubt lots of fans would not expect this)

 

Check Trailer 1 the Jet is flying past at several hundred mph.

 

The gameplay vid he's flying probably close to stall speed in reality, but it had to be down slowly I guess so they could accurately fly past that window.

 

Thats the other thing with this forum, people calling the driving unrealistic, how many takes do you think they did on the highway dodging out of traffic near to the windmills??

 

Some people should really use their brains, everything Rockstar realises is very well choreographed, and screenshots are all released according to their exact needs.

 

Enough said.

[GKP]

Brwhizz - you need to analyze what has been shown and the extent as to what is left to explore.

 

Suburbs of a handful of streets are not sufficient to feel anything like 'lost' in the bid bad hood - its a mere stones throw to more affluent areas..or indeed the countryside.

 

The thing about this forum is, its biased in extremis to positive views. One CANNOT knock the game - even with facts without suffering a wall of sh*t in the form of what most uneducated , underaged , new members have to say in reply. You truly are just another useless person of low intellect IF the first thing you do is throw sh*t like a simian when you cant stand to hear what you don't want to here.

 

Grow up people. Do I bang on about the same point - quite so, because its critical to the game and I felt the same way before IV's release. LC was too small in all honesty...the lowest common denominator gamers - ie most of you , are too impatient to drive a decent distance to missions. It is YOU, like the rest of the casual gamer base that in all likelihood have helped influence the decision to dumb down driving physics in V. Insults to me are really nothing coming from untermensch like a lot of the newbies here.

Edited July 15, 2013 by GKP

[Dutch Psycho]

And yet people still keeping response to gkp.like gkp said by himself: if you don't like my comments don't response.

 

 

[Trund]

Suburbs of a handful of streets are not sufficient to feel anything like 'lost' in the bid bad hood - its a mere stones throw to more affluent areas..or indeed the countryside.

There's a simple fix for all your bitching: Just don't buy the game and quit coming on here.

[UtricularEwe001]

Utric - try and refute them then. Are you saying that there is more city to the map ? why the anger people . Lol...

 

 

It could be. IMO R* are definitely not showing the whole city, They are only showing us what they wanted us to see. It's simple but a brilliant marketing trick.

 

 

[Matthew_rocz]

 

Utric - try and refute them then. Are you saying that there is more city to the map ? why the anger people . Lol...

 

Oh and whoever asked for a comparison. LS is smaller than LAX - far smaller.

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/2q00z0y.jpg

Thanks dude, seems really small.. lol

[brwhizz]

Brwhizz - you need to analyze what has been shown and the extent as to what is left to explore.

 

Suburbs of a handful of streets are not sufficient to feel anything like 'lost' in the bid bad hood - its a mere stones throw to more affluent areas..or indeed the countryside.

Well then GTA 4 also utterly failed to depict NYC - the cities in these games can only be so big and I honestly don't see what more they need to add to Los Santos to make it any better - larger just for the sake of being larger? How boring.

[Jonny04]

Brwhizz - you need to analyze what has been shown and the extent as to what is left to explore.

 

Suburbs of a handful of streets are not sufficient to feel anything like 'lost' in the bid bad hood - its a mere stones throw to more affluent areas..or indeed the countryside.

 

The thing about this forum is, its biased in extremis to positive views. One CANNOT knock the game - even with facts without suffering a wall of sh*t in the form of what most uneducated , underaged , new members have to say in reply. You truly are just another useless person of low intellect IF the first thing you do is throw sh*t like a simian when you cant stand to hear what you don't want to here.

 

Grow up people. Do I bang on about the same point - quite so, because its critical to the game and I felt the same way before IV's release. LC was too small in all honesty...the lowest common denominator gamers - ie most of you , are too impatient to drive a decent distance to missions. It is YOU, like the rest of the casual gamer base that in all likelihood have helped influence the decision to dumb down driving physics in V. Insults to me are really nothing coming from untermensch like a lot of the newbies here.

Wonder when we will all just agree to wait and see what the game is actually like?

[GKP]

Brwhizz - try and think of the consequences of a 2 mile ish sized city . Laterally that it. Highway chases at the 120 mph we have see would cross the city in 1 minute !

 

its not 'for the sake of it' its immersion ffs!...why not make LS half the size it is in V with your logic..?...some people like to drive in the city for more than a few minutes without going around in circles !

 

Trund - how much do you fail mate...a member for 9 years and you cant respond to one f*cking point in my post. Jesus - were you not a pilot I seem to recall !...good god !

[brwhizz]

Brwhizz - try and think of the consequences of a 2 mile ish sized city . Laterally that it. Highway chases at the 120 mph we have see would cross the city in 1 minute !

 

its not 'for the sake of it' its immersion ffs!...why not make LS half the size it is in V with your logic..?...some people like to drive in the city for more than a few minutes without going around in circles !

Well I was very much immersed in Liberty City and the car chases that I had there, all the while aware that it is nowhere near as large as the real New York City, so I don't get your point. If there's one thing Rockstar are (very) good at it is in making brilliant and immersive environments.

[GKP]

Br - you know I really think what is worse is the fact that we have waited 5.5 years for V - if this was a 2010 or 2011 release I think the vast majority of my concerns could be written off as being 'bratty' for lack of a better word. I agree. Saying that - its 2013 and I can understand many of the previewers in their opinion of V looking very similar to IV graphically. Note the lack of HDR in the gameplay video - too taxing ?...where is the bright reflections of windscreens etc ?

 

Every GTA has given us larger and larger cities , all of a sudden the 'Moore's Law' of GTA has stopped with V and if anything there is a regression instead of progress - at least in regard to urban action.

[WolfbackGames]

 

Brwhizz - try and think of the consequences of a 2 mile ish sized city . Laterally that it. Highway chases at the 120 mph we have see would cross the city in 1 minute !

 

its not 'for the sake of it' its immersion ffs!...why not make LS half the size it is in V with your logic..?...some people like to drive in the city for more than a few minutes without going around in circles !

 

Trund - how much do you fail mate...a member for 9 years and you cant respond to one f*cking point in my post. Jesus - were you not a pilot I seem to recall !...good god !

GKP, I'm going to politely say f*ck You. If you are going to bitch and complain all day, what you call "debating", then nobody wants you here. If you really have a problem with the size of the city, don't buy the god damn game. Case solved, end of issue.

 

Also to your point above this post, each GTA brought bigger and bigger cities, true. Technically, GTAV brought a big city the size of LC, and a whole f*cking chunk of countryside filled with mountains, rivers, and a large lake around that city. Don't forget we can also explore the sea now. Sure the city could have been bigger, but it'd take away from other aspects of the game which are ACTUAL innovation.

Edited July 15, 2013 by WolfbackGames

[Red XIII]

 

 

   Every GTA has given us larger and larger cities , all of a sudden the 'Moore's Law' of GTA has stopped with V and if anything there is a regression instead of progress - at least in regard to urban action.

That's not true, HD Los Santos is easily the single biggest city in the grand theft auto series.

 

GKP If GTAV contained Los Santos only without any countryside then I would understand but having the single biggest city and biggest map overall hardly sounds like regression to me.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Red XIII