Map Size Thread

[Choco Taco]

I didn't consider the implications of the lesser vertical nature of the majority of los santos. that will indeed make it feel much more massive and sweeping, urban sprawl.

 

Don't forget the mountains on two sides of the city.

 

http://i.imgur.com/mkz1Bue.jpg

 

 

This is at GTAaLEX117's scale which is 8% larger than mine:

 

http://i.imgur.com/Bnk6PmI.jpg

 

 

I started the mountains where the dam is. They're already high at that point. I didn't include the base.

Actually, when I compared the two maps, I aligned the correct LS with the skewed one in the bottom and right side so it would be the same size (since the "NW" side was smaller and misaligned). There's no real 8% difference (it's a lot smaller, look at the outline of LC).

 

 

So it's more or less identical.

I only used that skewed map in just that one picture and I'm not sure why I used it that time. I used the accurate blueprint for my main comparison and you can check my other posts here:

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1062670178

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1062618208

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1062646997

 

 

Your estimate makes the distance between the horizontal grid lines .8 mile. Mine is .75 mile. That makes your Los Santos 8% larger than mine.

[Mr. Rocko]

 

Rockstar already said that GTA V's map will be bigger than Red Dead Redemption, San Andreas, and Grand Theft Auto IV combined. Where did is this idea that it'll be as big as GTA IV came from?

lol, u went full retard man, you never go full reatrd

I aint a d!ck like that so ima explain, they're talking about just the size of the city of los santos, not the entire map with country side and small towns.

hope you got it, just looking out for a brother

 

Oh okay. Still, the size of the actual city of Los Santos is bigger than Liberty City, I mean come on

[GTAaLEX117]

I only used that skewed map in just that one picture and I'm not sure why I used it that time. I used the accurate blueprint for my main comparison and you can check my other posts here:

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1062670178

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1062618208

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1062646997

 

 

Your estimate makes the distance between the horizontal grid lines .8 mile. Mine is .75 mile. That makes your Los Santos 8% larger than mine.

That's close enough.

[GTAaLEX117]

Sorry for double posting but could somebody who has access to some proper tools calculate the exact percentage of landmass that LS has over LC?

 

 

[mrSQUADKINGS]

i think i readed somewere.. Cut out all the water from IV, push the iselands together and you have Los Santos City.

then the RDR & SA as the desert/mountains/countryside/water

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Sorry guys but I've come to the conclusion that size doesn't really matter anymore. I mean look at Los Santos. It already looks miles more sophisticated and beautiful than Liberty City. If Liberty City ends up being bigger, it still won't matter to me. Liberty City is great and all but look at Los Santos. The roads are wide and easier to use, we have mansions dotted all over the northern borders of the metropolitan area instead of just 3 similar looking mansion is Alderney, there are beaches, the building diversity is so great that I have yet to find buildings that have been duplicated(there's like only two I found excluding houses because suburbs tend to recycle houses anyways). We have properties that are going to be dotted all over the city and there will be a lot more interiors. The landscaping is beautiful, there is actually hills and the city is built on them. Detail is exploding everywhere, pools in almost every mansions' backyard, etc.

 

My point is that Los Santos is a much better city alone(excluding the countryside) than Liberty City. And in my opinion, Los Santos looks like it's the size of Liberty City with maybe only one river included. It doesn't look too small to me. It's big enough and detailed enough to enjoy for a year or two. That's just my two cents, folks!

[Neo Arcadia]

It just occurred to me:

 

Has anyone compared V's Los Santos with a combined Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas from SA? As the cities paralleling the countryside of San Andreas, comparing them would make more sense than doing so with the standalone Liberty City.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

It just occurred to me:

 

Has anyone compared V's Los Santos with a combined Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas from SA? As the cities paralleling the countryside of San Andreas, comparing them would make more sense than doing so with the standalone Liberty City.

[PoliceFarm]

It just occurred to me:

 

Has anyone compared V's Los Santos with a combined Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas from SA? As the cities paralleling the countryside of San Andreas, comparing them would make more sense than doing so with the standalone Liberty City.

I tried that a while ago, and the cities in SA seem to combine to a size just a little bigger than LS, but the main reason why those cities don't seem as comparable is because the detail is so miniscule compared this generation. Each of those old cities, especially San Fierro, have a lot of repeated areas and buildings, many which don't have anything to add to the game, they're just there to stretch out the size of the world in a less immersive way.

[Magic_Al]

 

It just occurred to me:

 

Has anyone compared V's Los Santos with a combined Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas from SA? As the cities paralleling the countryside of San Andreas, comparing them would make more sense than doing so with the standalone Liberty City.

Depending where you draw the borders in GTA SA:

 

Los Santos 1.7 square miles

 

San Fierro 1.4 square miles

 

Las Venturas 1.7 square miles

 

4.8 square miles total city, not counting small towns.

 

GTAIV landmass totals 3.3 square miles.

 

Based on assuming cars in the GTAV gameplay trailer overhead views are 1.8m wide and scaling the blueprint to that:

Edited July 14, 2013 by Magic_Al

[kjacked]

Sorry for double posting but could somebody who has access to some proper tools calculate the exact percentage of landmass that LS has over LC?

 

 

wow! even i may have underestimated the size of los santos. i guessed 10-20% bigger, this comparison looks like its leaning towards the top end of that percentage.

[LAPD 85]

Those oil fields on the right ARE NOT part of LS. If you are going to include that in your comparisons, add the water to LC. It's 'filler'

[Eutyphro]

Those oil fields on the right ARE NOT part of LS. If you are going to include that in your comparisons, add the water to LC. It's 'filler'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_City_Oil_Field

[Showstopper 26]

Sorry for double posting but could somebody who has access to some proper tools calculate the exact percentage of landmass that LS has over LC?

 

 

wow! even i may have underestimated the size of los santos. i guessed 10-20% bigger, this comparison looks like its leaning towards the top end of that percentage.

Where is this from? It doesn't look like LS from the Mapping Los Santos thread.

[Eutyphro]

Where is this from? It doesn't look like LS from the Mapping Los Santos thread.

It's the Liberty City Los Santos size comparison by GTAaLEX117.

[TrevorPhillipsEnterprise]

Those oil fields on the right ARE NOT part of LS. If you are going to include that in your comparisons, add the water to LC. It's 'filler'

Yes it is. Do some research on LA, they have oil fields next to the city.

 

 

And Damn Alex, LS looks quite a bit bigger than LC tbh. Probably 20-30% bigger

[kjacked]

Those oil fields on the right ARE NOT part of LS.  If you are going to include that in your comparisons, add the water to LC.  It's 'filler'

Yes it is. Do some research on LA, they have oil fields next to the city.

 

 

And Damn Alex, LS looks quite a bit bigger than LC tbh. Probably 20-30% bigger

thats what i was thinking. i have guessed 10-20% bigger all along but i honetly expected it to be closer to 10%. could be more than 20% bigger....

[Choco Taco]

Those oil fields on the right ARE NOT part of LS.  If you are going to include that in your comparisons, add the water to LC.  It's 'filler'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_City_Oil_Field

If you include the oil fields as part of Los Santos because they're in Los Angeles, then the water in between the islands counts as part of Liberty City since the bodies of water such as the East River are part of New York City.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_River

 

[wallis]

Might be of help to some...

 

I think LS will be bigger..

 

Los santos will probably only be a bit bigger.

GTA 4 is 6.25 sq miles

I'm expecting los santos to be 7.5 sq miles.

This is from early in the thread. There's two debates going on in here now. This was the original up until about page 170 when the blueprint came out. The 'city limits' debate. LC is about 6.25 sqr miles. The so called 'RDF' wouldn't accept LS looked smaller than this. GKP was saying LS only looked like 3.5 - 4 sqr miles and copped alot of sh*t for his opinion. But, he was right. The city limits of LC are larger.

So now there's the second part of the debate. The Landmass only. Now most ppl on here think LS is about 3.6 sqr miles compared to LC land mass being 3.2 sqr miles. LS has more landmass, and this is some consulation.

It's pointless debating whether or not water should be included. It was at the start, but most ppl accepted the outcome of that one and we moved onto the Landmass debate.

I thought the landmass was smaller at the start of this new debate, but I'm happy to admit I was wrong. LS seems to be thankfully 10-20% larger.

 

[Choco Taco]

The image below has an accurate land area for Liberty City. Los Santos is sized at .75 mile horizontal grid spacing which is what I have it. GTAaLEX117's last estimate came to the same size - http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1062758089 Magic_Al's estimate for Los Santos is smaller than that.

 

[kjacked]

its clear now that los santos is bigger than the landmass of gta 4, so lets hear some estimates. how much bigger do you guys think los santos is than gta 4? im leaning towards 20% bigger

[SeaFoam]

Those oil fields on the right ARE NOT part of LS. If you are going to include that in your comparisons, add the water to LC. It's 'filler'

And if you want to get that technical, don't include Alderney as part of Liberty City.

[Dick Valor]

Those oil fields on the right ARE NOT part of LS.  If you are going to include that in your comparisons, add the water to LC.  It's 'filler'

And if you want to get that technical, don't include Alderney as part of Liberty City.

This. Alderney is R*'s parody of New Jersey, not NYC, and does not technically count as LC. Thus, even proper LC + water would seem to be smaller than proper LS + surrounding mountains/oil fields.

[LilBig A-Money]

to accurately determine how much larger LS is compared to LC. Somebody should try to fit the waterless map of LC into the blueprint map of LS by keeping both at the standard size, BUT trying to fit all of LC into the outline of LS by cutting up the parts of the map into shapes that could fit perfectly into one side of LS rather than just putting the map of LC over that of LS. I would do this myself, but I do not have the technology available to do this, so i will need some assistance. FOR EXAMPLE, lets say we have a perfect square(representing LS) and a circle(representing LC.) instead of just pasting the circle over the square to determine the percent of difference in size. we could cut up the the circle into several smaller pieces that could fit into the outline of the square like a puzzle, leaving no pieces of it outside of the outline. we can now determine that percentage of size difference by the remaining area inside the outline that the pieces of the circle have not covered. Hope i explained this right, i really hope somebody does this so we put an end to this

[Choco Taco]

And if you want to get that technical, don't include Alderney as part of Liberty City.

The police cars in Alderney have Liberty City emblems. That proves Alderney is part of Liberty City.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

And if you want to get that technical, don't include Alderney as part of Liberty City. 

The police cars in Alderney have Liberty City emblems. That proves Alderney is part of Liberty City.

I'm pretty sure they've said multiple times that Alderney was a separate state though. They probably used the same police cars because of either time limitations, or because they simply didn't want to make a new police group.

Edited July 15, 2013 by GTAaLEX117

[Choco Taco]

And if you want to get that technical, don't include Alderney as part of Liberty City. 

The police cars in Alderney have Liberty City emblems. That proves Alderney is part of Liberty City.

I'm pretty sure they've said multiple times that Alderney was a separate state though. They probably used the same police cars because of either time limitations, or because they simply didn't want to make a new police group.

It would take about 2 minutes to design a new emblem for the police cars. They have Liberty City on them because Alderney is part of Liberty City.

[dyz]

And if you want to get that technical, don't include Alderney as part of Liberty City. 

The police cars in Alderney have Liberty City emblems. That proves Alderney is part of Liberty City.

I'm pretty sure they've said multiple times that Alderney was a separate state though. They probably used the same police cars because of either time limitations, or because they simply didn't want to make a new police group.

It would take about 2 minutes to design a new emblem for the police cars. They have Liberty City on them because Alderney is part of Liberty City.

Alderney is not part of LC, Why do you think there is Alderney city??

[wallis]

 

And if you want to get that technical, don't include Alderney as part of Liberty City. 

The police cars in Alderney have Liberty City emblems. That proves Alderney is part of Liberty City.

I'm pretty sure they've said multiple times that Alderney was a separate state though. They probably used the same police cars because of either time limitations, or because they simply didn't want to make a new police group.

It would take about 2 minutes to design a new emblem for the police cars. They have Liberty City on them because Alderney is part of Liberty City.

Alderney is not part of LC, Why do you think there is Alderney city??

For 312 pages LC has been referred to in this thread as the entire GTAIV map, as one city. Whether it technically is or not, is irrelevant to this thread. The LS city map hasn't included oil fields or mountains in the comparisons so far either. It's bad enough we had a 'City limits' debate and now a 'Landmass' debate without fragmenting it further into oil fields and Alderney debates.

[Dick Valor]

^^^

How good of you to tell those of us continuing the conversation what is relevant. Thanks, mom.

 

Not sure about the oil fields, but the mountains are part of Los Santos as they include parodies of landmarks irl Los Angeles (e.g., the Hollywood Bowl, Griffith Observatory, Getty, etc.). Alderney is not technically part of Liberty City, both because it is based on New Jersey (not NYC) and because this is established in the in-game map and brochure included with GTA IV. So, it would seem that the city of Los Santos is technically bigger than Liberty City proper.

 

How LS compares to the collective landmass of GTA IV map is obviously much closer. However, I do think that it is important to establish the city limits since so many comments throughout this thread analogize the comparisons between LS and LC to the sizes of L.A. and New York, even when IV's map is based on New York and New Jersey. In all fairness, Alderney is to Liberty City as Blaine County is to Los Santos, so any comparison of non-contiguous cityscape between IV and V should also include the small towns scattered throughout Blaine County as well imho.