Map Size Thread

[gwaha]

Why would anyone need "to count the streets". The blueprint map isn't even showing all the streets. And even if it was, counting the streets still gets you nowhere when it says nothing about size whatsoever.

[bakerach]

lmao this is so deceptive, the GTA4 cities are shrunk to size to fit the LS map. the stretch of Broker and Dukes alone is like 15 blocks by 15 blocks....Broker/Dukes would take up the bottom 2/3rds of Los Santos alone....Bohan would fill in the Northern section.

The LS map is the exact same way bruh, if not more so

[GrandMaster Smith]

I don't get what people are arguing about.. do people think Liberty City was small?

 

The city alone felt huge and was enough to merit it's own game, now we're getting a city roughly the same size along side 5x countryside and people are still finding 300 pages for of absolute sh*t to argue about? C'mon..

[Choco Taco]

I didn't consider the implications of the lesser vertical nature of the majority of los santos. that will indeed make it feel much more massive and sweeping, urban sprawl.

 

Don't forget the mountains on two sides of the city.

 

 

 

This is at GTAaLEX117's scale which is 8% larger than mine:

 

 

 

I started the mountains where the dam is. They're already high at that point. I didn't include the base.

[Magic_Al]

This method should be pretty accurate.

 

Assuming the width of cars in overhead views in the gameplay video is 1.8m, I nested the video's three levels of overhead views (which show the ground at resolutions that, based on the car width, would be 0.1m, 1.83m, and 1m) into each other. Then I measured the distance between features in the images that are clearly defined on the blueprint. That measurement was used to enlarge the blueprint image to an intended 1m resolution. Onto that, I superimposed the nested images from the video, and visually checked that things lined up. (I believe misalignment around Michael's house is worse, compared to around Franklin's location, due to Michael's area of the blueprint appearing "rolled" in the preorder graphic.)

 

For comparison of details visible in Los Santos, I superimposed the detailed blueprint of Liberty City onto its map. Liberty City and Los Santos are intended to be at the same resolution in this comparison.

 

This image is at 10m resolution:

 

Check out the big version to see the areas from the video in detail:

Liberty City vs. Los Santos (1m resolution) (5191x6574)

 

EDIT: if making sense of the grid still matters, at this scale, the distance between vertical grid lines is 1130.5m (70.6m between dots), and 1088m between horizontal lines (72.5m between dots). Allowing for error in assembling the blueprint pieces, maybe it's supposed to be 72 meters per dot, which would mean 1152 meters between vertical lines and 1080 meters between horizontal lines. Those numbers sound like they belong to a digital world.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Magic_Al

[King16]

Looks big too me...wheres this screen taken from?

 

[Eutyphro]

 

Looks big too me...wheres this screen taken from?

I think it was one of the first screens from R* themselves. But that's pretty of topic. There are better topics for discussion about screenshots like this one: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=533182

 

@Magic_Al: Is the scale you obtained different from the one from GtaAlex?

 

Edit: Looking at it, I see it is quite a bit smaller..

[Mr. Rocko]

Rockstar already said that GTA V's map will be bigger than Red Dead Redemption, San Andreas, and Grand Theft Auto IV combined. Where did is this idea that it'll be as big as GTA IV came from?

[Official General]

I don't get what people are arguing about.. do people think Liberty City was small?

 

The city alone felt huge and was enough to merit it's own game, now we're getting a city roughly the same size along side 5x countryside and people are still finding 300 pages for of absolute sh*t to argue about? C'mon..

You're very late in asking that question. The debate has long passed, scroll back through the pages, I can't be bothered to explain.

[Eutyphro]

I don't get what people are arguing about.. do people think Liberty City was small?

 

The city alone felt huge and was enough to merit it's own game, now we're getting a city roughly the same size along side 5x countryside and people are still finding 300 pages for of absolute sh*t to argue about? C'mon..

You're very late in asking that question. The debate has long passed, scroll back through the pages, I can't be bothered to explain.

Haha, yeah. People come in a 310 page topic with stuff like "just count all the blocks, Los Santos is the size of Bohan"

[œaœa]

Looks big too me...wheres this screen taken from?

 

 

It's funny you mention this because everyone was talking about how huge LS looked in this picture when it first came out.

[lightningun]

 

Rockstar already said that GTA V's map will be bigger than Red Dead Redemption, San Andreas, and Grand Theft Auto IV combined. Where did is this idea that it'll be as big as GTA IV came from?

lol, u went full retard man, you never go full reatrd

I aint a d!ck like that so ima explain, they're talking about just the size of the city of los santos, not the entire map with country side and small towns.

hope you got it, just looking out for a brother

 

@ king16

 

Looks big too me...wheres this screen taken from?

the screenshot is taken from here still can find it on the blueprint since apparently some of the streets aren't on it but it somewhere in the circle

[ECDT1089]

Not only aren't all the streets shown on the blue print map, but neither are the alleyways. Watch the gameplay video around 1:11 to 1:14. That alone should show how big LS really is...

[ArcherTheGreat]

I don't get what people are arguing about.. do people think Liberty City was small?

 

The city alone felt huge and was enough to merit it's own game, now we're getting a city roughly the same size along side 5x countryside and people are still finding 300 pages for of absolute sh*t to argue about? C'mon..

The reason is simple. The fans want an urban sprawl. No matter how dynamic and diverse the countryside is, it's never as densely populated with traffic or peds unlike the city centre. They want the malls, the buildings, the urban streets, traffic lights, night life, Metro subways and light rails. They prefer all that over sand and green. They don't want to think that they are severely limited with city activities because of Los Santos CITY's small size.

[Magic_Al]

 

Not only aren't all the streets shown on the blue print map, but neither are the alleyways. Watch the gameplay video around 1:11 to 1:14. That alone should show how big LS really is...

Animated GIF of video vs. blueprint (542KB)

 

EDIT: changed big inline GIF to link.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Magic_Al

[PoliceFarm]

I don't get what people are arguing about.. do people think Liberty City was small?

 

The city alone felt huge and was enough to merit it's own game, now we're getting a city roughly the same size along side 5x countryside and people are still finding 300 pages for of absolute sh*t to argue about? C'mon..

The reason is simple. The fans want an urban sprawl. No matter how dynamic and diverse the countryside is, it's never as densely populated with traffic or peds unlike the city centre. They want the malls, the buildings, the urban streets, traffic lights, night life, Metro subways and light rails. They prefer all that over sand and green. They don't want to think that they are severely limited with city activities because of Los Santos CITY's small size.

Los Santos has all of that, and even though it isn't as big as the whole of Liberty City, it seems to portray a wider variety of different areas within a city. And having the countryside is very enjoyable in its own right. The contrast of having the detail and density of a big city like Los Santos and the wide open desert and mountians, forest, small towns etc all in one game, offers a lot more things to see and do than just differing areas within a compact city area.

I'd much prefer the map as it is instead of a city the size of all of GTA 5.

[[enforcA]]

(I believe misalignment around Michael's house is worse, compared to around Franklin's location, due to Michael's area of the blueprint appearing "rolled" in the preorder graphic.)

Michael's house is also on the flat version of the preorder maps.

 

The distortion you are getting at Michael's house is because of this area being in the (already sloped) lower hills (the slope continues towards the east, seen already in trailer 1 where the presence of this slope was used in the mapping ls thread to describe the different than expected positions of some buildings) together with the fact, that the outer parts of the overhead zoom in/out shots generally have more perspective distortion in it than the inner circle. These both things together = what you got there.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

I didn't consider the implications of the lesser vertical nature of the majority of los santos. that will indeed make it feel much more massive and sweeping, urban sprawl.

 

Don't forget the mountains on two sides of the city.

 

http://i.imgur.com/mkz1Bue.jpg

 

 

This is at GTAaLEX117's scale which is 8% larger than mine:

 

http://i.imgur.com/Bnk6PmI.jpg

 

 

I started the mountains where the dam is. They're already high at that point. I didn't include the base.

Actually, when I compared the two maps, I aligned the correct LS with the skewed one in the bottom and right side so it would be the same size (since the "NW" side was smaller and misaligned). There's no real 8% difference (it's a lot smaller, look at the outline of LC).

 

 

So it's more or less identical.

[LilBig A-Money]

i believe it is unfair how people see all of liberty city as united even though Alderney, Bohan, Algonquin, and Dukes/Broker are seperated by water but for Los Santos everyone finds it nearly impossible to include the other smaller cities to the size. it they were all seen as one, I think LS would be much bigger than LC.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

i believe it is unfair how people see all of liberty city as united even though Alderney, Bohan, Algonquin, and Dukes/Broker are seperated by water but for Los Santos everyone finds it nearly impossible to include the other smaller cities to the size. it they were all seen as one, I think LS would be much bigger than LC.

Because the water in between the islands was nothing but filler, a way to artificially stretch out the map. You couldn't drive over it, walk over it, heck you can't even dive below it like in LS.

 

Another issues is that you cannot make a proper estimate since the water surrounds the islands, it's not just between them. Basically, what's the difference between the river water and the ocean water? None. Where do you border it to make out the map outline? Wherever you want to, and that's just not precise.

[Eutyphro]

i believe it is unfair how people see all of liberty city as united even though Alderney, Bohan, Algonquin, and Dukes/Broker are seperated by water but for Los Santos everyone finds it nearly impossible to include the other smaller cities to the size. it they were all seen as one, I think LS would be much bigger than LC.

Because the water in between the islands was nothing but filler, a way to artificially stretch out the map. You couldn't drive over it, walk over it, heck you can't even dive below it like in LS.

 

Another issues is that you cannot make a proper estimate since the water surrounds the islands, it's not just between them. Basically, what's the difference between the river water and the ocean water? None. Where do you border it to make out the map outline? Wherever you want to, and that's just not precise.

His point is not that the water should be included in the size of LC, but that the surrounding towns should be included with LS, because eventhough they are seperated from the main of Los Santos, parts of Liberty City are seperated from each other too. That would make Los Santos much bigger than Liberty City.

 

It's a legitimate point, but we don't have a map of the surrounding towns yet.

[GTAaLEX117]

 

i believe it is unfair how people see all of liberty city as united even though Alderney, Bohan, Algonquin, and Dukes/Broker are seperated by water but for Los Santos everyone finds it nearly impossible to include the other smaller cities to the size. it they were all seen as one, I think LS would be much bigger than LC.

Because the water in between the islands was nothing but filler, a way to artificially stretch out the map. You couldn't drive over it, walk over it, heck you can't even dive below it like in LS.

 

Another issues is that you cannot make a proper estimate since the water surrounds the islands, it's not just between them. Basically, what's the difference between the river water and the ocean water? None. Where do you border it to make out the map outline? Wherever you want to, and that's just not precise.

His point is not that the water should be included in the size of LC, but that the surrounding towns should be included with LS, because eventhough they are seperated from the main of Los Santos, parts of Liberty City are seperated from each other too. That would make Los Santos much bigger than Liberty City.

 

It's a legitimate point, but we don't have a map of the surrounding towns yet.

Oh, ok. Sandy Shores, Malibu and Paleto (and presumably other towns that we haven't seen yet) combined would definitely add some landmass to LS.

Edited July 14, 2013 by GTAaLEX117

[ECDT1089]

Not only aren't all the streets shown on the blue print map, but neither are the alleyways. Watch the gameplay video around 1:11 to 1:14. That alone should show how big LS really is...

Animated GIF of video vs. blueprint (542KB)

 

EDIT: changed big inline GIF to link.

[Neo Arcadia]

 

His point is not that the water should be included in the size of LC, but that the surrounding towns should be included with LS, because eventhough they are seperated from the main of Los Santos, parts of Liberty City are seperated from each other too. That would make Los Santos much bigger than Liberty City.

 

It's a legitimate point, but we don't have a map of the surrounding towns yet.

No it is not a legitimate point. The boroughs except for Alderney were all part of LC. Sandy Shores is not part of LS, and neither is Paleto. They're not even in the same county!

 

Trying to pull this sh*t to inflate LS' size is stupid. Should we go back and consider Palamino Creek, Montgomery, Dillimore, and Blueberry to be part of 3D Los Santos?

[Eutyphro]

No it is not a legitimate point. The boroughs except for Alderney were all part of LC. Sandy Shores is not part of LS, and neither is Paleto. They're not even in the same county!

 

Trying to pull this sh*t to inflate LS' size is stupid. Should we go back and consider Palamino Creek, Montgomery, Dillimore, and Blueberry to be part of 3D Los Santos?

Well, it's legit if you would want to compare the total surface of all cities and towns bombined in V, IV and San Andreas, which is a lot more relevant than the arbitrary city and town definitions of R*. And New Jersey isn't even in the same state as New York city. But still Alderney is seen as a part of Liberty City.

 

And San andreas is not really a legit comparison anyway because the towns surrounding Los Santos were so extremely boring and repetitive. The difference in detail is just too big.

[jameznash]

Not only aren't all the streets shown on the blue print map, but neither are the alleyways. Watch the gameplay video around 1:11 to 1:14. That alone should show how big LS really is...

Animated GIF of video vs. blueprint (542KB)

 

EDIT: changed big inline GIF to link.

this is good - thanks

[Ferocious Banger]

i believe it is unfair how people see all of liberty city as united even though Alderney, Bohan, Algonquin, and Dukes/Broker are seperated by water but for Los Santos everyone finds it nearly impossible to include the other smaller cities to the size. it they were all seen as one, I think LS would be much bigger than LC.

Because the water in between the islands was nothing but filler, a way to artificially stretch out the map. You couldn't drive over it, walk over it, heck you can't even dive below it like in LS.

 

Another issues is that you cannot make a proper estimate since the water surrounds the islands, it's not just between them. Basically, what's the difference between the river water and the ocean water? None. Where do you border it to make out the map outline? Wherever you want to, and that's just not precise.

One thing: We had to cross the bridges. We had to.

 

With the surrounding waterbody, it wasn't a necessity.

[kjacked]

i dont know what everyone is arguing about. it was very evident upon viewing the gameplay trailer that los santos is larger than the landmass of gta iv. on the 17th of september we will find out just how much bigger.

[Eutyphro]

i believe it is unfair how people see all of liberty city as united even though Alderney, Bohan, Algonquin, and Dukes/Broker are seperated by water but for Los Santos everyone finds it nearly impossible to include the other smaller cities to the size. it they were all seen as one, I think LS would be much bigger than LC.

Because the water in between the islands was nothing but filler, a way to artificially stretch out the map. You couldn't drive over it, walk over it, heck you can't even dive below it like in LS.

 

Another issues is that you cannot make a proper estimate since the water surrounds the islands, it's not just between them. Basically, what's the difference between the river water and the ocean water? None. Where do you border it to make out the map outline? Wherever you want to, and that's just not precise.

One thing: We had to cross the bridges. We had to.

 

With the surrounding waterbody, it wasn't a necessity.

Which is why the bridges should be included when calculating the surface of Liberty City, but not the water inbetween them..

[GTAaLEX117]

 

One thing: We had to cross the bridges. We had to.

 

With the surrounding waterbody, it wasn't a necessity.

Yes, the bridges but not really the water. The bridges are indeed considered part of the landmass, but the water itself is the same whether it's between the islands or surrounding them, and you can't make a decent outline.