Map Size Thread

[bakerach]

 

Edit for bakerach: I originally misread you saying Los Santos is between 1/4 and 1/6 of the map. I thought you used the RDR + SA comment to prove it was 1/8 or 1/9.  But now I see you agree with the 1/5th estimate -_- So sorry for misreading..

Yeah, Los Santos as 1/5 of the landmass seems reasonable (but I think it'll be bigger), and that would make the entire map bigger than the original Xbox controller--which is the biggest thing I've ever seen.

Edited June 21, 2013 by bakerach

[Journey of Fantasy]

Los Santos : 16.67 %

Countryside : 50 %

Ocean Floor : 33.33 %

 

 

[Vormek]

I think when they say "20-25-30 percent of the island", they do really mean 20-25-30 percent of the island..

Well we know Los Santos is approximately the size of Liberty City, and that the rest of the map is bigger than RDR+ San Andreas combined, so I'd put Los Santos between 1/4 and 1/6 of the map. Three is still a LOT of map that we haven't seen.

Don't exaggerate. There's not A LOT left to be shown. We've seen a huge chunk of the map. But sure, some areas haven't been revealed yet.

[Roto2]

 

Los Santos : 16.67 %

Countryside : 50 %

Ocean Floor : 33.33 %

20, 50, 30 IMO

[bakerach]

 

Don't exaggerate. There's not A LOT left to be shown. We've seen a huge chunk of the map. But sure, some areas haven't been revealed yet.

 

As jbte illustrates, Rockstar has basically only shown us areas in a straight line from Los Santos to the (assumed) north towards the Alamo Sea. Nothing of any detail to the east or west, or anything detailing the coasts (in terms of their location on the map) outside of the city.

[FurryPhilosifer]

The guy from the CVG demo didn't see a map. Their predictions on how much of the map was Los Santos were made on the section where Franklin's jumping from a helicopter

[KrushLTx10]

 

Don't exaggerate. There's not A LOT left to be shown. We've seen a huge chunk of the map. But sure, some areas haven't been revealed yet.

 

As jbte illustrates, Rockstar has basically only shown us areas in a straight line from Los Santos to the (assumed) north towards the Alamo Sea. Nothing of any detail to the east or west, or anything detailing the coasts (in terms of their location on the map) outside of the city.

The only clear "huge chunk" we've seen is Los Santos, and even that has a little bit (Southernmost tip) of it they haven't shown. And we haven't really seen all the little details within it. Just the birds-eye view of it. I doubt R* would have shown off that much without having to reveal at least double what they've shown by the time we get our hands on the game in September.

[florisinfernus]

 

The guy from the CVG demo didn't see a map. Their predictions on how much of the map was Los Santos were made on the section where Franklin's jumping from a helicopter 

It's common sense that Los Santos can't be under 1/6 of the map. If Los Santos is anywhere near the size of Liberty City, and the info about the land mass being 3.5 times RDR and 5 times times IV is correct, then Los Santos is at least 1/6 of the map or more.

 

Or this game is multiple IV's or RDR's bigger than R* announced, but that seems very unlikely to me.

[bakerach]

The guy from the CVG demo didn't see a map. Their predictions on how much of the map was Los Santos were made on the section where Franklin's jumping from a helicopter 

It's common sense that Los Santos can't be under 1/6 of the map. If Los Santos is anywhere near the size of Liberty City, and the info about the land mass being 3.5 times RDR and 5 times times IV is correct, then Los Santos is at least 1/6 of the map or more.

 

Or this game is multiple IV's or RDR's bigger than R* announced, but that seems very unlikely to me.

I think 1/6th of the map seems about right given what we know right now. Quite all right with me.

[Magic_Al]

If the blueprint map is a 7x9 grid that's 63 grid squares, and if the city takes about 6 squares, more or less, then that's around 1/10 of the map.

[florisinfernus]

If the blueprint map is a 7x9 grid that's 63 grid squares, and if the city takes about 6 squares, more or less, then that's around 1/10 of the map.

Yes, but that's including the sea. I'm talking about the countryside vs city ratio.

 

Including water the map is 5 times RDR. 5 times RDR land mass is 5 times 13,7 km^2 = 68,5 km^2 (f4t4l1ty's numbers). IV land mass = 8,4 km^2. So if Los Santos is the size of IV, then it is around 1/8 of the map including water.

[Magic_Al]

If the blueprint map is a 7x9 grid that's 63 grid squares, and if the city takes about 6 squares, more or less, then that's around 1/10 of the map.

Yes, but that's including the sea. I'm talking about the countryside vs city ratio.

 

Including water the map is 5 times RDR. 5 times RDR land mass is 5 times 13,7 km^2 = 68,5 km^2 (f4t4l1ty's numbers). IV land mass = 8,4 km^2. So if Los Santos is the size of IV, then it is around 1/8 of the map including water.

Or, leaving area estimates out of it, if the blueprint map is the whole map and is 63 grid squares and 1/3 water, and (assuming) it's cropped closely enough that none of the water squares are outside of the "world", that's 21 squares of water and 42 squares of land, of which 6 squares of Los Santos would be 14.3% or 1/7 of the land.

 

If Los Santos is the same land area as GTAIV, then 7x 3.31 square miles is 23.17 square miles. Keeping in mind Los Santos is not exactly 6 squares of the blueprint map grid, the result is in the ballpark of 21 square miles = 3.5x the 6 square miles playable area measurement of RDR and = the sum of landmasses of GTASA (11.29 sq mi), GTAIV (3.31), and RDR (6 sq mi playable). And if one prefers to add the entire map areas of those games, then the sum of GTASA (13.9 sq mi), GTAIV (6.57 sq mi) and RDR (14.94 sq mi) is 35.41, which would be a possible size of the entire GTAV world including water, since 2/3 of that would be 23.6 square miles, back in the ballpark of the landmass totals.

 

I don't think there's much room for arguing about the size anymore because any way you work any of the numbers that are in play you get the same answer.

[florisinfernus]

Or, leaving area estimates out of it, if the blueprint map is the whole map and is 63 grid squares and 1/3 water, and (assuming) it's cropped closely enough that none of the water squares are outside of the "world", that's 21 squares of water and 42 squares of land, of which 6 squares of Los Santos would be 14.3% or 1/7 of the land.

 

If Los Santos is the same land area as GTAIV, then 7x 3.31 square miles is 23.17 square miles. Keeping in mind Los Santos is not exactly 6 squares of the blueprint map grid, the result is in the ballpark of 21 square miles = 3.5x the 6 square miles playable area measurement of RDR and = the sum of landmasses of GTASA (11.29 sq mi), GTAIV (3.31), and RDR (6 sq mi playable). And if one prefers to add the entire map areas of those games, then the sum of GTASA (13.9 sq mi), GTAIV (6.57 sq mi) and RDR (14.94 sq mi) is 35.41, which would be a possible size of the entire GTAV world including water, since 2/3 of that would be 23.6 square miles, back in the ballpark of the landmass totals.

 

I don't think there's much room for arguing about the size anymore because any way you work any of the numbers that are in play you get the same answer.

Not as a criticism, but I was just wondering: what do you base these facts about the squares on the map on? Maybe you've elaborated on it in other posts, but then I missed it.

 

And I also wonder where your numbers are from concerning the size of IV, because they are considerabely lower than the numbers I have from f4t4l1ty. Again, I'm just wondering. I may be in error here. I'm not the sort of person who could do measurements in a game myself, but I'm just trying to look for measurements that seem well founded and uncontroversial and then use common sense on them to get some info about V from it..

[dewan2000]

If the blueprint map is a 7x9 grid that's 63 grid squares, and if the city takes about 6 squares, more or less, then that's around 1/10 of the map.

That is assuming the blueprint map shows all of the map and not just part of it.

[Dr Bannington]

That blueprint image is so obviously doctored its insane how you guys havent noticed it. Its not an actual picture of the physical map rolled up. Its just an image made to look like it. The size of the city on the map could be smaller or bigger than what you think

[LieutenantLoserz]

confusion, ik they said LS is just a bit smaller than LC, are they including Alderny even though Alderny is based off of new jersey (sorta) or just algonquin, bohan, broker, happiness island, and dukes?

[kjacked]

confusion, ik they said LS is just a bit smaller than LC, are they including Alderny even though Alderny is based off of new jersey (sorta) or just algonquin, bohan, broker, happiness island, and dukes?

they said the exact opposite actually. they said los santos definitely covers more square footage than liberty city

[florisinfernus]

 

confusion, ik they said LS is just a bit smaller than LC, are they including Alderny even though Alderny is based off of new jersey (sorta) or just algonquin, bohan, broker, happiness island, and dukes?

All of GTA IV = Liberty City

Someone emailed R* about it. It doesn't matter if there are a few things somewhere pointing towards Alderney being seperate. I can't even remember what it was anymore. But those are inconsistencies. When R* says 'Liberty City', everyone interprets that as the total GTA IV map. And they know that. So that is the way it should be interpreted, because that is how it is interpreted.

[davetopper]

 

That blueprint image is so obviously doctored its insane how you guys havent noticed it. Its not an actual picture of the physical map rolled up. Its just an image made to look like it. The size of the city on the map could be smaller or bigger than what you think

 

I don't think the blueprint could be any more screwed up. Upside down and inverted. And one the of the detail shots does not have the "City of Los Santos Founded 1781" seal. Does the blueprint have two sides? Perhaps one with the city and the other side the entire map?

 

None the less what I think we are missing here and I point out in regards to the size of Los Santos is that we are missing something in comparing LC - LS....Scale.

 

I believe that LS looks smaller because for the first time in GTA history they put the pedal head first and the streets in the city proper, are wider. On either side of Los Santos there are highways, one has a spaghetti junction.

 

Not to mention that the coast roads are two lanes coming and going with a stall lane. Four lanes total. Putting the driver first here.

 

I really feel by looking at scale that LC would fit comfortably in LS as it stands. And that is just the city. It's larger, just a little sprawled out. But the road rash in those streets. By the screen caps they have looked wide. We'll see, but I think scale needs to be kept in mind here. And that the map as we know it. The blue print is such a tease that we really do not know. But I am certain that LS the city is larger that LC total. Anyway tooling around a good size city which LS will be and heading out to the country, should be a hoot.

 

Rather hoping we start out in the sticks so the city becomes a treat. For all we know, maybe the story line starts there. You know "why did I come here?".

Edited June 24, 2013 by davetopper

[CSM. HB J-DOGG]

LS Los Santos is the biggest Grand Theft Auto city yet… and even that is an understatement. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/06/28/...v-what-we-know/

[Choco Taco]

LS Los Santos is the biggest Grand Theft Auto city yet… and even that is an understatement. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/06/28/...v-what-we-know/

What are the city limits? Are the dam and "Malibu" area on the northwest coast of the blueprint and the open areas around them part of Los Santos?

[Magic_Al]

 

LS Los Santos is the biggest Grand Theft Auto city yet… and even that is an understatement. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/06/28/...v-what-we-know/

What are the city limits? Are the dam and "Malibu" area on the northwest coast of the blueprint and the open areas around them part of Los Santos?

Another way to parse that is that Los Santos has the largest contiguous city land area in the GTA series. In terms of comparing maps and map design, the islands in GTAIV are each comparable to cities in GTASA, both in size and in the design process of different art teams working on each island. Los Santos pushes all that area together into a common a street grid.

[omer19992010]

Wasn't Los Santos in GTA San Andreas 3 or 2 Sq Miles. Magic_Al estimates say that Los Santos is only a tiny bit bigger Than Los Santos in GTA San Andreas.

[Magic_Al]

 

Wasn't Los Santos in GTA San Andreas 3 or 2 Sq Miles. Magic_Al estimates say that Los Santos is only a tiny bit bigger Than Los Santos in GTA San Andreas.

No, depending where you draw the lines GTASA Los Santos is around 1.7 square miles.

[Kaster]

City looks smaller than la noire city

[kjacked]

Wasn't Los Santos in GTA San Andreas 3 or 2 Sq Miles. Magic_Al estimates say that Los Santos is only a tiny bit bigger Than Los Santos in GTA San Andreas.

No, depending where you draw the lines GTASA Los Santos is around 1.7 square miles.

Los Santos looks to be easily bigger than all three cities in san Andreas combined

[dyz]

Wasn't Los Santos in GTA San Andreas 3 or 2 Sq Miles. Magic_Al estimates say that Los Santos is only a tiny bit bigger Than Los Santos in GTA San Andreas.

No, depending where you draw the lines GTASA Los Santos is around 1.7 square miles.

yeah you are right, LS in GTA 5 is about 3x that.

[lightningun]

That blueprint image is so obviously doctored its insane how you guys havent noticed it. Its not an actual picture of the physical map rolled up. Its just an image made to look like it. The size of the city on the map could be smaller or bigger than what you think

 

I don't think the blueprint could be any more screwed up. Upside down and inverted. And one the of the detail shots does not have the "City of Los Santos Founded 1781" seal. Does the blueprint have two sides? Perhaps one with the city and the other side the entire map?

 

None the less what I think we are missing here and I point out in regards to the size of Los Santos is that we are missing something in comparing LC - LS....Scale.

 

I believe that LS looks smaller because for the first time in GTA history they put the pedal head first and the streets in the city proper, are wider. On either side of Los Santos there are highways, one has a spaghetti junction.

 

Not to mention that the coast roads are two lanes coming and going with a stall lane. Four lanes total. Putting the driver first here.

 

I really feel by looking at scale that LC would fit comfortably in LS as it stands. And that is just the city. It's larger, just a little sprawled out. But the road rash in those streets. By the screen caps they have looked wide. We'll see, but I think scale needs to be kept in mind here. And that the map as we know it. The blue print is such a tease that we really do not know. But I am certain that LS the city is larger that LC total. Anyway tooling around a good size city which LS will be and heading out to the country, should be a hoot.

 

Rather hoping we start out in the sticks so the city becomes a treat. For all we know, maybe the story line starts there. You know "why did I come here?".

bohan is a little bigger than the area you circle but los santos is a little bigger than liberty city, just the area that has been revealed is as big as LC without water, I used the length of the runway and the width of the highways to scale liberty city

[Magic_Al]

The LAX Theme Building is represented in GTA San Andreas at slightly reduced size. If we assume it returns in GTAV at full size, the map can be scaled based on that. Let's assume the GTAV version would NOT be significantly bigger than the real building because that would waste space.

 

 

Based on that and the known scales of previous games, here are game maps shown to scale with each other and the real Los Angeles. If GTAV's LAX Theme Building is smaller than the real one, then the size of the blueprint would shrink accordingly.

 

Edited June 30, 2013 by Magic_Al

[MightyMax]

where is Bel Air in the LOS SANTOS people?