Map Size Thread

May 31, 2013

I made you search the internet for 2 hours looking for another source that I don't even care about.

Dan Houser also said they replicated the sprawl of LA.

Don't believe everything you're told. SA is bigger than RDR.

They did recreate the sprawl of LA, you fool- you just don't know because you haven't played the game. Trust me, it sprawls. Massively.

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

You're not very logical are you. If that "room to spare" was significant, which it HAS TO BE if your theory was right, then Rockstar wouldn't just say "room to spare" they'd make a much bigger deal out of it. Are you that dumb? Or just trolling?

you realize they then said 3.5x rdr and 5x rdr if you count the underwater explorable areas right? do a little reading kid...

@choco i posted two sources that prove my point. you have posted zero. as a matter of fact you are the only person i can find on google or bing that thinks san andreas is bigger than rdr. that says a lot. you guys say post sources, so i do, then you say "nope. wrong. the maker of the game is wrong"... idiots

Edited May 31, 2013 by whydoyouevenbother

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

May 31, 2013

This might answer a few questions. We're getting closer.

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1062583692

May 31, 2013

I can't even believe how massive the game will be. I'm in heaven!

May 31, 2013

I can't even believe how massive the game will be. I'm in heaven!

Saying anything is big is this thread is asking for a beheading

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

You're not very logical are you. If that "room to spare" was significant, which it HAS TO BE if your theory was right, then Rockstar wouldn't just say "room to spare" they'd make a much bigger deal out of it. Are you that dumb? Or just trolling?

you realize they then said 3.5x rdr and 5x rdr if you count the underwater explorable areas right? do a little reading kid...

@choco yes this is icandothisallday. i posted two sources that prove my point. you have posted zero. as a matter of fact you are the only person i can find on google or bing that thinks san andreas is bigger than rdr. that says a lot. you guys say post sources, so i do, then you say "nope. wrong. the maker of the game is wrong"... idiots

I'm not going to pretend to understand what you're trying to say.

What do you say to the in game measurements which prove that you're wrong, then?

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

Edited May 31, 2013 by whydoyouevenbother

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

Why the hell would measurements change? Measurements don't change... a meter won't be 110cm in 10 years time.

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

Why the hell would measurements change? Measurements don't change... a meter won't be 110cm in 10 years time.

do you not understand how different games are scaled differently? i saw a pic someone posted of gta iv on here where the protag was so small compared to the building he was standing next to that he couldnt even reach the door handle on the door on the front of the building. you have no idea how each game is scaled or how in game measurements work. its a digital world. its not real life. a meter is whatever they say it is. are you that stupid?

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

You are so thick headed. Let me space this out for you.

I never said SA was bigger or smaller.

I never tried to claim I knew the map size.

I never directly quoted Rockstar nor do I ever.

Again, you failed to read the very first thing i posted.

I was stating that THE OTHER PEOPLE that believe the statements "X,Y, and Z" are contradicting themselves because within those 3 statements lies a mathematical impossibility.

That was it.

I dont care which map is bigger.

I dont know which map is bigger.

May 31, 2013

I posted this on the other thread but I think it's also relevant to this one.

Read this first:

Several users, including deffpony, agreed with this.

Now that we have a legitimate Los Santos map, we can work out a scale.

I hate page stretching, but obviously didn't want to compromise this. Thankfully it hasn't destroyed the thread

The line on the map (between the Sierra Tower and US Bank Tower) is 160 pixels. I simply replicated that.

160 pixels = ~1450 metres, or 0.9 miles.

[map]

I scaled that image into Google Sketchup and drew a rough outline of what I think are the city limits

Using the area calculator, the city is estimated to be 316.4 million square feet or 11.3 square miles/29.4 square km

This estimate is based on the assumption that the given scale is correct and that the referenced buildings are placed correctly on the map

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

You are so thick headed. Let me space this out for you.

I never said SA was bigger or smaller.

I never tried to claim I knew the map size.

I never directly quoted Rockstar nor do I ever.

Again, you failed to read the very first thing i posted.

I was stating that THE OTHER PEOPLE that believe the statements "X,Y, and Z" are contradicting themselves because within those 3 statements lies a mathematical impossibility.

That was it.

I dont care which map is bigger.

I dont know which map is bigger.

it is not a mathematical impossibility for rdr to be the biggest... it cant be. if it had said gta v was exactly as big as sa,iv,and rdr and then said the game is 3.5x rdr then yes it would be impossible for rdr to be the biggest map. however, that wasnt the case. they said its bigger than those three maps with room to spare. therefore it is absolutely impossible to say which map is the biggest or smallest of those statements alone. im going off the two sources i posted of dan houser saying "rdr is twice as big as san andreas". also if you play the games its fairly obvious.

@ the hate... so i guess this confirm los santos is bigger than liberty city?

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

You are so thick headed. Let me space this out for you.

I never said SA was bigger or smaller.

I never tried to claim I knew the map size.

I never directly quoted Rockstar nor do I ever.

Again, you failed to read the very first thing i posted.

I was stating that THE OTHER PEOPLE that believe the statements "X,Y, and Z" are contradicting themselves because within those 3 statements lies a mathematical impossibility.

That was it.

I dont care which map is bigger.

I dont know which map is bigger.

it is not a mathematical impossibility for rdr to be the biggest... it cant be. if it had said gta v was exactly as big as sa,iv,and rdr and then said the game is 3.5x rdr then yes it would be impossible for rdr to be the biggest map. however, that wasnt the case. they said its bigger than those three maps with room to spare. therefore it is absolutely impossible to say which map is the biggest or smallest of those statements alone. im going off the two sources i posted of dan houser saying "rdr is twice as big as san andreas". also if you play the games its fairly obvious.

@ the hate... so i guess this confirm los santos is bigger than liberty city?

one more time and then im tapping out -

*ahem*

I NEVER CLAIMED TO KNOW WHICH MAP IS BIGGER NOR DO I CARE. I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT QUOTES CAME FROM WHERE. I SAID THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THOSE 3 STATEMENTS AND IF THOSE STATEMENTS WERE TRUE (which apperently theyre not) THEN THEY WOULD BE CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES AND THE MATH WOULDNT ADD UP.

Do you get it now? Is that clear enough?

And just for sh*ts and giggles you should post your source for where hauser was quoted saying rdr is twice as big as sa.

May 31, 2013

I posted this on the other thread but I think it's also relevant to this one.

Read this first:

Several users, including deffpony, agreed with this.

Now that we have a legitimate Los Santos map, we can work out a scale.

I hate page stretching, but obviously didn't want to compromise this. Thankfully it hasn't destroyed the thread

The line on the map (between the Sierra Tower and US Bank Tower) is 160 pixels. I simply replicated that.

160 pixels = ~1450 metres, or 0.9 miles.

[map]

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1347/lssizeestimate.jpg

I scaled that image into Google Sketchup and drew a rough outline of what I think are the city limits

Using the area calculator, the city is estimated to be 316.4 million square feet or 11.3 square miles/29.4 square km

This estimate is based on the assumption that the given scale is correct and that the referenced buildings are placed correctly on the map

nvm

Edited May 31, 2013 by AceHigh11

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

You are so thick headed. Let me space this out for you.

I never said SA was bigger or smaller.

I never tried to claim I knew the map size.

I never directly quoted Rockstar nor do I ever.

Again, you failed to read the very first thing i posted.

I was stating that THE OTHER PEOPLE that believe the statements "X,Y, and Z" are contradicting themselves because within those 3 statements lies a mathematical impossibility.

That was it.

I dont care which map is bigger.

I dont know which map is bigger.

it is not a mathematical impossibility for rdr to be the biggest... it cant be. if it had said gta v was exactly as big as sa,iv,and rdr and then said the game is 3.5x rdr then yes it would be impossible for rdr to be the biggest map. however, that wasnt the case. they said its bigger than those three maps with room to spare. therefore it is absolutely impossible to say which map is the biggest or smallest of those statements alone. im going off the two sources i posted of dan houser saying "rdr is twice as big as san andreas". also if you play the games its fairly obvious.

@ the hate... so i guess this confirm los santos is bigger than liberty city?

one more time and then im tapping out -

*ahem*

I NEVER CLAIMED TO KNOW WHICH MAP IS BIGGER NOR DO I CARE. I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT QUOTES CAME FROM WHERE. I SAID THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THOSE 3 STATEMENTS AND IF THOSE STATEMENTS WERE TRUE (which apperently theyre not) THEN THEY WOULD BE CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES AND THE MATH WOULDNT ADD UP.

Do you get it now? Is that clear enough?

And just for sh*ts and giggles you should post your source for where hauser was quoted saying rdr is twice as big as sa.

holy f*ck! the "3 statements" you speak of are false. the true statements were "gtav is bigger than gta iv, gta san andreas, and rdr with room to spare" and "gta v is 3.5xrdr, 5xrdr if you count the underwater explorable areas". therefore it isnt a mathematical impossibility that rdr could be the biggest. in fact it is highly plausible seeing as dan houser said "rdr is twice as big as sa"!!!

http://www.360sync.com/2009/09/10/high-noo...mption-pax-demo

http://n4g.com/news/517514/new-red-dead-redemption-details

just for you fattyroman... chew on that for a minute

@acehigh... are you special or something? the map need only be roughly 3.35miles high by 3.35miles wide to come up with the square mileage he did...

Edited May 31, 2013 by whydoyouevenbother

May 31, 2013

Yeah Fattyroman! Sure showed you!

May 31, 2013

The stupidity in this thread is overwhelming. I cant take it anymore. None of you have the brain power to understand the simple thing i am saying. I give up. Im tapping out.

@whydoyouevenbother

Nice sources by the way. A broken link and a message board with an unheard of writer thats translated into english. Real reliable. You sure showed me. Sure Ill "chew on that" for a while. I hope i dont choke on the "hard evidence" you provided me.

May 31, 2013

I posted this on the other thread but I think it's also relevant to this one.

Read this first:

Several users, including deffpony, agreed with this.

Now that we have a legitimate Los Santos map, we can work out a scale.

I hate page stretching, but obviously didn't want to compromise this. Thankfully it hasn't destroyed the thread

The line on the map (between the Sierra Tower and US Bank Tower) is 160 pixels. I simply replicated that.

160 pixels = ~1450 metres, or 0.9 miles.

[map]

I scaled that image into Google Sketchup and drew a rough outline of what I think are the city limits

Using the area calculator, the city is estimated to be 316.4 million square feet or 11.3 square miles/29.4 square km

This estimate is based on the assumption that the given scale is correct and that the referenced buildings are placed correctly on the map

holy....

sh*t....

May 31, 2013

The stupidity in this thread is overwhelming. I cant take it anymore. None of you have the brain power to understand the simple thing i am saying. I give up. Im tapping out.

@whydoyouevenbother

Nice sources by the way. A broken link and a message board with an unheard of writer thats translated into english. Real reliable. You sure showed me. Sure Ill "chew on that" for a while. I hope i dont choke on the "hard evidence" you provided me.

http://www.360sync.com/2009/09/10/high-noo...mption-pax-demo

At the top of the hill we could see high mountains sizzling in the distance, while sand blasted plateaus lay on the horizon. We were told that the world of Redemption was roughly twice as big as San Andreas, and that you could go pretty much anywhere utilizing horses or the long distance rail system. Encounters over the plains are randomly generated, as evidenced by our unfortunate hit and run with a rogue wolf and a slew of bandits trying to shake us down for money. You can choose to react to situations in different ways, robbing stagecoaches or saving young virgins from the clutches of outlaws.

worked just fine for me fatty. and if the map posted on this page is correct then los santos is bigger than liberty city.

May 31, 2013

They did recreate the sprawl of LA, you fool- you just don't know because you haven't played the game. Trust me, it sprawls. Massively.

Show us on the blueprint map where all of that sprawl is located.

May 31, 2013

The stupidity in this thread is overwhelming. I cant take it anymore. None of you have the brain power to understand the simple thing i am saying. I give up. Im tapping out.

@whydoyouevenbother

Nice sources by the way. A broken link and a message board with an unheard of writer thats translated into english. Real reliable. You sure showed me. Sure Ill "chew on that" for a while. I hope i dont choke on the "hard evidence" you provided me.

http://www.360sync.com/2009/09/10/high-noo...mption-pax-demo

At the top of the hill we could see high mountains sizzling in the distance, while sand blasted plateaus lay on the horizon. We were told that the world of Redemption was roughly twice as big as San Andreas, and that you could go pretty much anywhere utilizing horses or the long distance rail system. Encounters over the plains are randomly generated, as evidenced by our unfortunate hit and run with a rogue wolf and a slew of bandits trying to shake us down for money. You can choose to react to situations in different ways, robbing stagecoaches or saving young virgins from the clutches of outlaws.

worked just fine for me fatty. and if the map posted on this page is correct then los santos is bigger than liberty city.

Oh yea my connection must be on the fritz or something. that guy must be the luckiest writer in the world. Its crazy how hes the only one that was told that. Btw the quote you just wrote doesnt match the one you posted a link for.

Dont bother replying. Im not coming back into this thread anymore.

May 31, 2013

They did recreate the sprawl of LA, you fool- you just don't know because you haven't played the game. Trust me, it sprawls. Massively.

Show us on the blueprint map where all of that sprawl is located.

well its bigger than liberty city. seeing that both these games are on the same consoles and that liberty city was the entire map in IV and los santos is a small fraction of the map in V id say that pretty f*cking impressive.

@fatty... i copied and pasted it you goofy bastard!lol of course it matches. and the other picture you posted all you have to do is click the big link that reads "READ FULL STORY". I swear, you could f*ck up a wet dream.

Edited May 31, 2013 by whydoyouevenbother

May 31, 2013

Something interesting

It is generally accepted that San Andreas is approximately 6 km x 6 km = 36 sq km

The real life LA forum is approximately 150 metres.

(original image was 1536 x 1536)

LS forum in San Andreas was approximately 40 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 800 pixels = 3 km.

The red line is just over half the width of San Andreas.

This gives a surprisingly accurate estimate of the map size for SA.

(original image was 800 x 519)

LS forum in GTA V was approximately 30 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 300 pixels = 1.5 km.

Is the LS forum in GTA V to scale as it was in SA or have they made it much larger for some reason?

If the LS forum was 2x the size of its real life counterpart the red line would be 3 km.

The solution I come up with is as follows.

LS in San Andreas and LS in GTA V are both approximately 3 km wide.

However, the scale of GTA V is approximately 2x that of San Andreas. This explains why the forum is twice the size it is in San Andreas and also explains how the map can appear small but is actually "bigger than SA, RDR and IV combined".

So both versions of LS are 3 km wide, but LS in GTA V is twice as large in reality.

Edited May 31, 2013 by RockStarNiko

May 31, 2013

I posted this on the other thread but I think it's also relevant to this one.

Read this first:

Several users, including deffpony, agreed with this.

Now that we have a legitimate Los Santos map, we can work out a scale.

I hate page stretching, but obviously didn't want to compromise this. Thankfully it hasn't destroyed the thread

The line on the map (between the Sierra Tower and US Bank Tower) is 160 pixels. I simply replicated that.

160 pixels = ~1450 metres, or 0.9 miles.

[map]

I scaled that image into Google Sketchup and drew a rough outline of what I think are the city limits

Using the area calculator, the city is estimated to be 316.4 million square feet or 11.3 square miles/29.4 square km

This estimate is based on the assumption that the given scale is correct and that the referenced buildings are placed correctly on the map

Is that bigger than LC?

May 31, 2013

@RockstarnIko I don't really get it. SA fits in there? Is that what you mean?

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

You are so thick headed. Let me space this out for you.

I never said SA was bigger or smaller.

I never tried to claim I knew the map size.

I never directly quoted Rockstar nor do I ever.

Again, you failed to read the very first thing i posted.

I was stating that THE OTHER PEOPLE that believe the statements "X,Y, and Z" are contradicting themselves because within those 3 statements lies a mathematical impossibility.

That was it.

I dont care which map is bigger.

I dont know which map is bigger.

it is not a mathematical impossibility for rdr to be the biggest... it cant be. if it had said gta v was exactly as big as sa,iv,and rdr and then said the game is 3.5x rdr then yes it would be impossible for rdr to be the biggest map. however, that wasnt the case. they said its bigger than those three maps with room to spare. therefore it is absolutely impossible to say which map is the biggest or smallest of those statements alone. im going off the two sources i posted of dan houser saying "rdr is twice as big as san andreas". also if you play the games its fairly obvious.

@ the hate... so i guess this confirm los santos is bigger than liberty city?

one more time and then im tapping out -

*ahem*

I NEVER CLAIMED TO KNOW WHICH MAP IS BIGGER NOR DO I CARE. I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT QUOTES CAME FROM WHERE. I SAID THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THOSE 3 STATEMENTS AND IF THOSE STATEMENTS WERE TRUE (which apperently theyre not) THEN THEY WOULD BE CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES AND THE MATH WOULDNT ADD UP.

Do you get it now? Is that clear enough?

And just for sh*ts and giggles you should post your source for where hauser was quoted saying rdr is twice as big as sa.

holy f*ck! the "3 statements" you speak of are false. the true statements were "gtav is bigger than gta iv, gta san andreas, and rdr with room to spare" and "gta v is 3.5xrdr, 5xrdr if you count the underwater explorable areas". therefore it isnt a mathematical impossibility that rdr could be the biggest. in fact it is highly plausible seeing as dan houser said "rdr is twice as big as sa"!!!

http://www.360sync.com/2009/09/10/high-noo...mption-pax-demo

http://n4g.com/news/517514/new-red-dead-redemption-details

just for you fattyroman... chew on that for a minute

@acehigh... are you special or something? the map need only be roughly 3.35miles high by 3.35miles wide to come up with the square mileage he did...

Listen, Rockstar literally have confirmed the size of San Andreas to be 13.9 square miles.

They have also said that GTAIV is smaller than San Andreas.

Okay, let's say that RDR indeed is 28 square miles, just for your happiness.

28 plus 13.9 plus 6.25 (I'm including water areas too, for the sake of "room to spare ") equals 47.75 square miles.

BUT, GTAV is 3.5 times RDR, excluding the underwater. 3.5*28 equals 98 square miles.

Unless the land areas of GTA SA and GTAIV are doubled, you won't arrive anywhere close to 98 square miles.

May 31, 2013

@RockstarnIko I don't really get it. SA fits in there? Is that what you mean?

I edit my post at the end and it could explain why the map appears small but is actually very large

May 31, 2013

I posted this on the other thread but I think it's also relevant to this one.

Read this first:

Several users, including deffpony, agreed with this.

Now that we have a legitimate Los Santos map, we can work out a scale.

I hate page stretching, but obviously didn't want to compromise this. Thankfully it hasn't destroyed the thread

The line on the map (between the Sierra Tower and US Bank Tower) is 160 pixels. I simply replicated that.

160 pixels = ~1450 metres, or 0.9 miles.

[map]

[image]

I scaled that image into Google Sketchup and drew a rough outline of what I think are the city limits

Using the area calculator, the city is estimated to be 316.4 million square feet or 11.3 square miles/29.4 square km

This estimate is based on the assumption that the given scale is correct and that the referenced buildings are placed correctly on the map

Is that bigger than LC?

The answer is we don't know.

The scale was based on estimates by another user.

I personally think 11.3km seems like an overestimate of the city of LS.

May 31, 2013

@icandothisallday

What you were arguing yesterday had nothing to do with what i was explaining.

I wasnt making a map size guess.

I simply stated that there are people on this forum that believe RDR is bigger than SA. At the same time they also believe that the map for V will be 3.5 tines RDR. Combine that with what we know - "V will be bigger than IV, RDR, and SA". Now I wasnt saying any of this is true because its not. These statements those people believe actually contradict eachother.

Again like i said if RDR is the biggest out of all, the sum of all of them can not be 3.5 times RDR. You cant add 2 small objects to the biggest and get a number that is 3.5 times the biggest. Its mathematically impossible.

ive seen you do this 100x now. you want to say that rockstar said "gta v is rdr, iv, and san andreas put together" when in actuality they said "gta v is BIGGER than san andreas, iv, and rdr combined WITH ROOM TO SPARE! that last part blow your reasoning all to hell. good try though. i still dont get how you cant understand this???

@dxbrandon... no... san andreas isnt bigger than rdr. its just the opposite, confirmed by dan houser himself.

I said that exact thing. Read what you quoted. You dont need to say 'bigger than' and 'room to spare' in the same sentence. They both mean the same thing. None of you "los santos size fanboys" ever read what youre quoting. You all quote somebody and say theyre wrong and then proceed to say the exact thing they just said. Thats why this thread is garbage.

so you realize your three squares math problem is complete bullsh*t because there is a fourth unknown variable? thats why i tried to explain it. it ibviously doesnt make any sense to you. oh well, i tried. like i said, prove me wrong... no one has.

@jo the ingame measurements prove nothing. somebody the other day say the protags run different speeds but that the measurements were the same. i asked why they thought the protags run different speeds and they said the games were a decade apart running on different engines on different generations of consoles which was exactly my point as to why the in game measurements are off. also, anyone that does in game measurements gets different results from the guy before them and the guy before that. unreliable to say the least. im still siding with the games creator. you do whatever your heart desires.

OT:yes the game looks massive. we have seen a lot of the city. i hope the next bit of info shows us what else the map has to offer

You are so thick headed. Let me space this out for you.

I never said SA was bigger or smaller.

I never tried to claim I knew the map size.

I never directly quoted Rockstar nor do I ever.

Again, you failed to read the very first thing i posted.

I was stating that THE OTHER PEOPLE that believe the statements "X,Y, and Z" are contradicting themselves because within those 3 statements lies a mathematical impossibility.

That was it.

I dont care which map is bigger.

I dont know which map is bigger.

it is not a mathematical impossibility for rdr to be the biggest... it cant be. if it had said gta v was exactly as big as sa,iv,and rdr and then said the game is 3.5x rdr then yes it would be impossible for rdr to be the biggest map. however, that wasnt the case. they said its bigger than those three maps with room to spare. therefore it is absolutely impossible to say which map is the biggest or smallest of those statements alone. im going off the two sources i posted of dan houser saying "rdr is twice as big as san andreas". also if you play the games its fairly obvious.

@ the hate... so i guess this confirm los santos is bigger than liberty city?

one more time and then im tapping out -

*ahem*

I NEVER CLAIMED TO KNOW WHICH MAP IS BIGGER NOR DO I CARE. I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT QUOTES CAME FROM WHERE. I SAID THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THOSE 3 STATEMENTS AND IF THOSE STATEMENTS WERE TRUE (which apperently theyre not) THEN THEY WOULD BE CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES AND THE MATH WOULDNT ADD UP.

Do you get it now? Is that clear enough?

And just for sh*ts and giggles you should post your source for where hauser was quoted saying rdr is twice as big as sa.

holy f*ck! the "3 statements" you speak of are false. the true statements were "gtav is bigger than gta iv, gta san andreas, and rdr with room to spare" and "gta v is 3.5xrdr, 5xrdr if you count the underwater explorable areas". therefore it isnt a mathematical impossibility that rdr could be the biggest. in fact it is highly plausible seeing as dan houser said "rdr is twice as big as sa"!!!

http://www.360sync.com/2009/09/10/high-noo...mption-pax-demo

http://n4g.com/news/517514/new-red-dead-redemption-details

just for you fattyroman... chew on that for a minute

@acehigh... are you special or something? the map need only be roughly 3.35miles high by 3.35miles wide to come up with the square mileage he did...

Listen, Rockstar literally have confirmed the size of San Andreas to be 13.9 square miles.

They have also said that GTAIV is smaller than San Andreas.

Okay, let's say that RDR indeed is 28 square miles, just for your happiness.

28 plus 13.9 plus 6.25 (I'm including water areas too, for the sake of "room to spare ") equals 47.75 square miles.

BUT, GTAV is 3.5 times RDR, excluding the underwater. 3.5*28 equals 98 square miles.

Unless the land areas of GTA SA and GTAIV are doubled, you won't arrive anywhere close to 98 square miles.

hahahahahahaha! please, pretty please with a cherry on top provide the source where rockstar confirms that san andreas is 13.9 square miles...

also, ive provided two links that quote dan houser as saying rdr is roughly twice as big as san andreas...

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